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Educating Obama

In a December 2007 CBS News interview, candidate Hillary Clinton was asked about which country posed the most threat to the U.S. She replied that it is Pakistan, especially in view of our counter-terrorism operations in Afghanistan and dealing with Taliban and Al Qaeda.

The details of the interview and a commentary were posted on NQ in December 2007 by SusanUnPC and reprised recently in “Obama’s Blunders Tell Me He’s a Naive Neophyte.”

Hillary’s interview was on December 13, 2007 and in a classic pattern with which we have now become familiar, she went first and Obama followed suit on December 14, 2007.

In his turn at the same question in the interview Obama responded that that country is Iran, trying to make a case for his ill-conceived response to a different question earlier in a debate about talking to our adversaries without preconditions [and perhaps holding their hands while doing that]. But he later added Pakistan for good measure since Hillary had brought it up the day before. The Democratic primary campaign must have been a great learning experience for the woefully inexperienced Obama trying to keep up with Hillary.

Obama seems to think a nuclear Iran is to be feared because of its Islamic fanaticism and more, but Pakistan has already become a nuclear state with the help of China and North Korea. I hope China rues the day it helped Pakistan in the name of counter balance to India because in today’s world China has more in common with India and more to benefit from India’s growth than impeding it.

To a layperson like me, Pakistan appears to be worse than a blackmailer trying to hold hostage several countries at a time, US being the foremost among them. Instead of working toward a democratic society interested in raising living standards for its people, its Army and the feckless government have beggared themselves into victims on the one hand and blackmailers on the other with their nukes. They plead that the bad elements in their society are going to take over the nukes unless countries like the US intervene and give them aid to check these elements. At the same time, they threaten other countries by encouraging the bad elements to get out of hand from time to time so that more aid from US in the name of war on terrorism continues to fall into their lap of luxury.

The case in point for Pakistan encouraging and providing support for its bad elements is the recent Mumbai attack. As Pakistan drags its feet in accepting responsibility for the attack even in the face of mounting evidence (see here, here, here, here, here), what will the US do?

News articles report indirect links of Mumbai attackers to UK. With its large Pakistani immigrant population, UK has had its own problems with Islamic fanaticism and terror attacks. Jonathan Evans, UK’s M15 Director General warned that Mumbai attacks could become the new method of attack for terrorists in the future (see article):

“If the method used in Mumbai of using firearms in public places becomes adopted as a model, it changes our most likely scenarios,” he added.

Evans said that scores of British Muslims were still travelling to terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan every year. Others are travelling to lawless areas of Somalia.

The main threats to Britain come from al-Qaeda’s core in Pakistan and their “assets in this country,” he said.

“We continue to believe that the ability lies in Pakistan to attack the UK,” Evans said, adding that 75 per cent of their investigations have connections with Pakistan.

This is what the outgoing National Security Adviser, Hadley had to say in an interview with the WSJ:

“Pakistan’s increasingly turbulent border region poses threats not just to the US mission in Afghanistan, but also to neighbouring India, as evidenced by the recent Mumbai terrorist attacks, as well as to urban areas of Pakistan itself – and the world beyond,” he said.

“If extremists succeed in destabilising Pakistan, the resulting chaos will threaten the entire region,” Hadley is expected to say in his speech, according to the Journal.

“You can’t really solve Afghanistan without solving Pakistan,” Hadley told the leading financial daily in an interview in his White House office Tuesday. “That’s why I think Pakistan is at the centre” of the challenge for the incoming administration.

Pakistan is not just India’s problem — it is Afghanistan’s problem and ultimately the US and the world problem.

Meanwhile we have Obama making comments that show his ignorance of history as reported here

A Kashmir initiative by America, however “veiled”, can undermine improving Indo-US ties, Selig S Harrison, director of Asia Programme at the Center for International Policy and a senior scholar of the Woodrow Wilson International, said an opinion piece published in The Washington Times.

“President-elect Barack Obama has made his first big foreign policy mistake – pledging US intervention in the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan,” he wrote.

In an interview to the Time magazine in October last year, Obama had said that Kashmir is a place he wanted to “devote serious diplomatic resources to get a special envoy in there, to figure out a plausible approach”.

Harrison, who specialises in South Asia and East Asia for past 50 years, said Obama would face resistance from not only India, but also Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari.

and here:

The 19-page report titled ‘Terrorist Attacks in Mumbai, India and Implications for US Interests’, prepared mid-December for the US lawmakers — the 111th Congress in particular, was released on Wednesday and a copy was obtained by PTI.

In seeking to revamp US South Asia policy, President-elect Barack Obama and his advisors may face a key central question: Are conflictual relations between the region’s two largest states primarily an India-Pakistan problem or are they mainly a Pakistan problem alone, it said.

Any high-visibility US Government focus on the Kashmir issue ‘would risk fuelling Pakistani expectations of a future settlement favouring Pakistan, thus in turn providing a motive for Islamabad to sustain pressure by ramping up support for Kashmiri separatists,’ it said.

Obama will be playing right into the hands of Pakistan’s blackmailers if he tries to take the route of US intervention in the Kashmir issue. He will do better for the country if he holds Pakistan’s feet to the fire about Afghanistan and demand that Pakistan give up its support for Taliban, Al Qaeda, LeT, and others. What is the US getting in return for the tens of billions it has poured into Pakistan in the last seven years?

Pakistan Army has time and again played the Bush administration for fools in the last seven years. If Obama falls into the same trap that they are setting up for him with the recent Mumbai attack, it will have dire consequences. While Obama tries to make this a regional problem throwing some red meat for the Pakistan Army in the name of Kashmir, here is what he will be missing (continue reading the article ):

Let us remind Obama and his team that this phase of the Afghan problem started with ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’ in October 2001 following the refusal of the Taliban regime in Kabul to surrender Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda cadres. The Taliban regime was cleared out of Afghanistan by the US Special Forces and troops of the Northern Alliance supported by US air power. As the operation was coming to a close and Osama bin Laden and remnants of Al Qaeda were cornered in the Torah Borah mountains, terrorists with links to Pakistan’s ISI attacked the Indian parliament. That compelled India to mobilise its forces on the border. Pakistan countered that move and by vacating its western borders permitted Al Qaeda and Taliban leadership to find safe havens in Pakistan. It is now quite clear that the attack on the Indian Parliament was a provocative ruse to trap India into a military move which would justify Pakistan’s convenient troop withdrawal.

The same strategem has been employed in November 2008. The Mumbai terrorist attack was to provoke an Indian military response and provide an alibi to Pakistan to withdraw its forces from the western border and enable a Taliban surge into the tribal areas and Afghan territory to preempt and wreck the proposed US surge strategy. In 2001-2, the attention from Al Qaeda and Taliban consolidating themselves in Pakistan was diverted by raising Indo-Pakistan tension. Thereafter Iraq preempted all US attention. Now when the attention of US and the NATO are refocussing on Afghanistan, the same diversionary tactics are being employed.

What did we accomplish from the 2001-2002 incursion into Afghanistan? It appears to me that the Taliban and Al Qaeda just got relocated with all expenses paid by the Pakistan Army and its Intelligence unit.

Hillary as Secretary of State will have her hands full. But she may have to first start with educating Obama just as she schooled him on various occasions during the primary campaign.

  • kat in your hat

    really good points. thank you.

  • JulieD

    pm317 –

    BO spent 3 weeks there for “spring break”. His best friend is a Pakistani. His drug addicted roomie in NY was a Pakistani.

    Pakistan can’t be a problem.

    If only BO would continue stealing HRC’s answers!

  • tek

    At least Hil is SOS. What a shame she isn’t President. Hopefully she and Bill will prove invaluable over the next four years and she will be President.

    • tek

      This must be a very hard time for her. Watching tha ninkumpoop getting ready to be inaugurated in her place.

      • Trudy

        She helped him git there.

        • Trudy

          Sorry get there

  • Sassy

    The AP did a listing of Hillary’s staff a couple of days ago.
    Richard Holbrooke will be handling Pakistan and Afghanistan.
    Dennis Ross will have the Middle East and Iran.

    • stodgie

      i had seen some comment about holbrooke and am now glad to see ross. now let’s see about getting good help for the domestic agenda.

  • Texas Playwright

    I think more and more people in and out of HRC’s circle will be turning to her for help in all things foreign–and domestic, if only behind the media curve. I mean the propaganda curve.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Educating Obama

    Oh, great–in lieu of electing a candidate with the requisite credentials, the unwashed herd gave us an poseur in need of an education on how the world works. So along with his training wheels, he gets a cheesy little helmet to deflect any backspatter when the shit hits the fan.

  • SJ

    What is it with these media networks and Jan 20th? As I sit and look at TV with the announcement of Jan 20th I swear it’s like the coming of Christ.

    Seems like on Jan 20th something great is going to happen to the world so we must tune in either on CNN, FOX, NBC whatever, the worlds population just cannot miss this event.

    I would of thought by now the media would of turned down the hype considering all that is going on in the USA and the world, but guess not maybe the media has never heard of the saying the higher they climb, the harder they fall, man this media is sure putting Obama up on the tallest pinnacle.

    I just hope he can really balance and not fall off, unfortunately I gut feeling is that he will and we are going to have a whole lot of disappointing people, with no answers when that happens.

  • no kidding

    SJ — We are used to a media who fawns and then destroys those it makes its heroes. The problem is how much pain will he cause before the media decides he is a failure? I am already reading that Obama will either be a great president by next year or a failure. The more Obama lusts after media approval the sooner they will come down on his head. Its the law of gravity–what goes up must come down.

  • I’m a Linda too

    If we couldn’t educate the Empty O before his selction, it surely isn’t going to happen now. The only hopes is all of his MANY handlers will tell him more clearly what to do.

    But, it’s his HANDLERS that are a problem, isn’t it? So, I don’t think we should expect much from them and hope folks like Panetta and Hillary are much more persuasive.

    The empty “O”ne has slid his way around the issues so much in an effort to confuse those outside his tight circle to know for sure what he is going to do. But it is becoming more clear that it will be as we originally predicted.

    When the E “O”ne said Iran was small and he would “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Pakistan” (so to speak). And Webster Tarpley and others correctly pointed out that his chief policy adviser, Zbig Brzezinski once one more chance to face off with Russia, it is all coming together.

    Even the Middle East believe this talk….molding the conversation around Energy, because no doubt, us straight minds no better than to arm the Middle East with Nukes, (but he will get them on his side if he gives them Nuke technology-so the naive think, ie Iraq-weapons and chemical, Iran-weapons, Pakistan-nukes, etc) to to stare down Russian and China with.

    What joy we will be witnessing from the fellow who did this the last time. Zbig, who armed Afghan, created Osama Bin Laden to fight his arch enemy then, Russia.

    2.0

    First Published 2009-01-09

    Obama and the nuclearization of the Middle East

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=29662

  • Ted

    The nation owes more than thanks to three unlikely modern day patriots: professional poker player, musician, and retired attorney, Leo Donofrio; life long Democrat and former Pennsylvania assistant attorney general, Phil Berg; and Soviet emigree and attorney, Dr. Orly Taitz (she’s also a dentist).

    While Mr. Donofrio painstakingly established the airtight case that BHO could not be an Article II “natural born citizen” (at BHO’s birth, dad was British/Kenyan, not American, citizen) Leo’s Stay of the 12/15/08 electoral college vote was denied by SCOTUS as procedurally unripe.

    Nevertheless, since no congressman and senator objected on 1/8/09 to Congress’ count and certification of the electoral vote which would have turned resolution of Obama’s eligibility issue over to Congress — rendering moot the Berg and Taitz (Lightfoot) cases — Berg finally does achieve standing on the issue of actual harm, to be addressed at the Friday 1/9/09 SCOTUS Conference on Writ of Certiorari. Obama’s failure to submit evidence of his constitutional qualification for the 1/9/09 conference will mean he cannot thereafter challenge Berg’s request to enjoin the 1/8/09 Congressional electoral count and certification, albeit retroactive, scheduled for SCOTUS conference Friday 1/16/09. Moreover, Chief Justice Roberts has scheduled a full Court conference on the Lightfoot case Friday 1/23/09 in the event there needs to be a Constitutionally mandated action, the Inauguration itself, to enjoin retroactively.

    Now that BHO is in checkmate and cannot be POTUS, he can be a patriot as well. He need not subject the nation to the expense and trauma of requiring SCOTUS to overrule his ‘Presidency’. BHO can and should voluntarily step down with Biden becoming Acting POTUS under the 20th Amendment, and under the agreement all potential claims by the Government for itself and on behalf of others against BHO are released.

  • TeakwoodKite

    PM317, a very well written article.

    History is not important to BO. I knew that when he stated in the debates he would continue with sending missles into Pakistan, just for the “me too” effect.

    I am very worried SOS Clinton will be over ruled and undermined by BO. It will be a very difficult proposition.

    Iran and Pakistan are very difficult challenges for any administration. I am not optimistic about BO.

    The only glimmer of light I see is that Panetta, Clinton, Gen Jones and the DNI will have a joint approach to dealling with these issues and that momentum will shape any mutterings from the BO’s mouth.