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Liberal Anti-Semitism

Speaking for myself only…
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“Hamas’ charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.”

Israel is right to attack Hamas in Gaza. The Palestinians are wrong to have elected Hamas as their leaders. Like the Taliban in Afghanistan, Gaza is being lead by an illegitimate terrorist organization bent on the destruction of Israel. This “government,” put in place by Palestinians, has repeatedly attacked Israel with hundreds of rockets, suicide bombers, and decades of unthinkable bloodshed and fear.

Israel is not trying to win a popularity contest on the world stage, and nightly news showing civilian causalities is heartbreaking and does nothing to endear the world to the Jewish state. But Israel is following the American model of toppling the Taliban: if you support and harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist. Hamas is aware of anti-Israel sentiment and they have a history of fabricating “atrocities” to inflame the world against Israel.

The American Left distrusts power, the military, and the use of force. As the bumper sticker says, they’re “already against the next war.” But I’ve noticed another disturbing trend: left wing anti-Semitism.

Before I point this out I want to make two points. First, I am not Jewish; my ancestry is English and Christian. Secondly, I understand that most people who oppose Israel’s current actions are not anti-Semitic.

However, there is a virulent strain of antisemitism on the American Left. I believe that the moral equivalence argument and analogy between the State of Israel and the Nazi regime is anti-Semitic. The atrocities committed by the Nazi clique, mass murder on an industrial scale (some camps murdering 20,000 souls per day), was an evil so grotesque and nearly beyond comprehension that special care must be taken when speaking about an event which cost so many innocents their lives.

Israel is a secular, multi-ethnic democracy who is defending herself against a terrorist organization. Hamas like Al-Qaeda, is an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. “Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan, and the United States, and is banned in Jordan, Australia, and the United Kingdom.”

The allegedly intelligent blogger, Joseph Cannon, has posted an image based on Nazi propaganda. The soldier’s Swastika has been replaced with a Star of David. As if this wasn’t bad enough, Cannon then uses select quotes from the Bible’s books Deuteronomy and Joshua to attack the secular Jewish State. This selective quoting of religious texts to attack a people is a familiar form of religious bigotry perpetrated on Muslims and Christians today and, historically, on Jews, as if Jews today have to answer for every word of a 5,000 year old religion. Cannon is engaged in Jew-baiting, and it’s despicable.

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Additionally, Cannon uses the canard that Israel possess “stolen” land. He writes: “keep in mind that this story is about land theft, pure and simple. The Lord is here the ultimate fall guy, the original Nuremburg excuse: ‘Hey, we didn’t want to commit genocide; we were only following orders.’”

It’s unfortunate that Cannon uses the Nazi tribunals and religious text as a comparison to a secular democracy defending itself from terrorists’ attacks.

Cannon’s writing then veers close to Der Stürmer, the anti-Semitic rag of Nazism:

Too many Jews learned the wrong lesson from World War II. The victims of persecution came to equate strength with a willingness to persecute others. Like many other peoples in many other times and places, a large number of Jews were seduced into the false belief that the hardest heart beats longest.

But history teaches a very different lesson. Hitler’s Germany did not last. The Third Reich was destroyed for its evil. Germany was divided like an earthworm. Yet it recovered. Who can deny that — in the long run — the best thing ever to happen to Germany was the eradication of its government and its (temporary) loss of national sovereignty at the end of World War II?

~snip~

Israel must be destroyed, just as Hitler’s Germany was destroyed. All Jews throughout the world must forevermore rid themselves of the lunatic, racist dream of “Jewish state.” Jews living in Israel will either agree to live in a single multi-ethnic democracy in which everyone ruled (directly or indirectly) by the government has an equal vote — or they will die in their madness.

The madness of Cannon’s thesis is his shameful omission of Hamas’ terrorism, the numerous murders, suicide bombers, rockets launched at innocent Israeli citizens, and kidnapping of IDF soldiers. He deplores the establishment of a Jewish state, but ignores the goal of Hamas to establish an Islamic state. Nor does he mention that Israel does have non-Jewish citizens, including Muslims, Druze, and Christians. His rage is directed at the idea that a people can establish a homeland, but clearly he is uneducated at the plight of Jews in pre-World War Two Europe. He claims that “too many Jews learned the wrong lesson in World War Two,” but he fails to note that the assimilated Jews of Europe were nearly all murdered exactly because they had no where to turn when anti-Semitism reared its ugly head.

Cannon then goes on to say that the “Old Testament,” is evil:

In my explorations, I have never found any other “sacred” text dripping with the inexcusable bloodlust and hate one can find in the Old Testament. My sympathies now lie with the Gnostics, who considered much of that book evil

Cannon is referring to the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. His ignorance is profound. The Jewish Torah (as it’s called in Judaism) and the Old Testament are not identical. This shows his utter ignorance and bigotry. But of course Cannon is not alone.

In a similar vein, a commentator named Alibe on American Girl in Italy’s recent post writes:

The current war between Hamas and Israel is not war. This is the equivalent of The Germans clearing out the Warsaw Ghetto. Gaza has been a ghetto. Israel has treated the people of gaza as less than human. They have tried to control every aspect of life in Gaza. Just as the Nazis tried to control the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, the Israelis have morphed into the Nazis and now use the same thinking the Nazis did.

Besides the author’s ahistorical understanding of the Holocaust, the analogy also falls apart when you point out that the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were not launching rockets at the civilian population of Poland nor did they have it as their charter to destroy the nation of Germany — although Germany’s anti-Semitic propaganda claimed they did.

As I wrote on the same post:

Land was not “taken away” from Palestinians. Jewish holocaust survivors [and others] fought the British who controlled a colony the British called Palestine, which was never a Palestinian state. In fact, there has never been a country called Palestine. There’s a democracy in that region, called Israel, which continues to be attacked by a terrorist government, called Hamas. Israel is now dismantling this terrorist organization, an organization — by the way — whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel and who has killed thousands of Israelis.

Israel is open to criticism. And friends of Israel, like Larry Johnson, have been critical of this military action against Hamas in Gaza.

Liberal antisemitism is hateful and ubiquitous. A Daily Kos diarist, Susan Jumper, wrote that she’d like to “gas” the Jewish Sen. Joseph Lieberman, and others on her post compared Sen. Lieberman to a dog that should be killed.

Similarly, during an anti-Israel demonstration in Florida, protesters shouted:

“Did Israel take notes during the Holocaust? Happy Hanukkah.”

And:

To the dozen or so supporters of Israel gathered across the street, one demonstrator shouted: “Murderers! Go back to the ovens! You need a big oven.”

While it’s inflammatory to call someone a Nazi, I believe it’s anti-Semitic to call Israelis Nazis. Just as it’s correctly verboten for whites to use the N-word, it’s equally offensive to engage in this not so subtle form of Jew-baiting. Barely disguised anti-Semitism (or the outright murderous fantasies of Daily Kos’ Susan Jumper, Joseph Cannon, and the protesters in Florida) have become très chic in Europe and the United States. We can argue over matters of policy, but false comparisons, attacks based on religious texts, and code words have no place in our discourse. It’s important to point out that words have implications, and it’s clear that anti-Semitism is being implied.

As Israelis say about the Holocaust, Never Again. Never again.

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  • http://theheraclitanfire.blogspot.com/ Craig Della Penna

    Well said.

    • mary

      I’d like to add that in the UN’s Human rights Council out of some 37 countries+, most Europeans abstained and Japan, and ONLY CANADA VOTED IN FAVOR OF ISRAEL AND AGAINST HAMAS….And Hillary said that she must improve relations first with her “norther neighbor Canada” –a smart woman, and way ahead of the Empty Suited Perv-elect who’d be best off to smoke some dope and leave the real work to her!

  • http://medusa2.wordpress.com medusa

    Provocative, brave and accurate post, Bud.

    The so-called liberals use their criticism of Israeli action as a springboard for anti-Semitism. There’s a close analogy here to how Sarah Palin’s presence unleashed the tsunami of misogyny and sexism on the left.

    If instead of touting their liberal self-righteousness, people would actually read the history of the area and understand that the animosity and violence preceded 1948 by several thousand years.

  • Richard

    Well if you believe it then it must be so

    What about calling gaza a consentration camp, is that antisemetic?
    What about comparing it to aparthide?

    You also swallow whole the notion that supporting palestinians and abhoring Israeli tactics as support for Hamas which is crap

    • Zeke

      What is crap is your failure to understand that GAZANS do nothing to stop murderers from killing.
      Have your attorney explain “Accessory before and to the act of murder.” And if those big words get through your dim bulb mind, then look up “Accessory to and After the act of murder.” Your simplistic argument is equivalent to saying you would have supported Germany’s citizens during WWII but not their government.
      Gazans cheer when Jews die, and they danced in the streets when we were hit on 9/11. That makes them WRONG and you too for being so shallow minded as to forget that simple fact.
      At least we aren’t dancing in the streets…

      • truthtelling007

        “Accessory before and to the act of murder.”

        This is non legalistic nonsense. Being a citizen of the united states does not make me an “Accessory” to George Bush’s crimes.

        Where did you get your law degree? Cracker Jacks?

      • Mr. X

        The crackpots are coming out in droves.

        GAZANS do nothing? WTF? They can’t even feed themselves. And they’re not allowed to go anywhere.

      • steve

        “they danced in the streets”

        This is the problem. Who the hell is they? A few ignorant muslims, big deal. Do you base your opinions of all americans by a few who may protest about something you don’t like?

        There are a certain percentage of people living in gaza who just want to go to work, raise a family and have a few drinks on the weekends.

        You hate when someone comments about the jews like they all think and act the same…right? Then try not to do the same thing.

        IMHO

        • truthtelling007

          so now we think freedom of speech and assembly should warrant murdering them?

          This sort of logic…isn’t logic at all.

          Have you ever cheered the assassination of a Hamas member or AlQaida member?

          The moral equivalency game can get real tedious. It’s good when you do it, its bad when they do it.

          Double standards on the value of life.

        • HC

          Actually its becoming really hard to get a drink in the PA these days. Headscarves yes, a beer, not so much. Just another change for the positive in this wonderful part of the world.

      • Strawberrybitch

        Zeke, come on. It was an election. Should we blame you for every fucked up thing Obama will do just because he got elected? Hell, many people think he cheated. Is it possible that Hamas cheated as well? Hamas will kill innocent people at the drop of a dime. How can regular folks stand up to that? I know you’re smarter than that. Put yourself in an average Palistinian’s place for one second. No food, no water, a family to feed, no way to provide for them and a bunch of nutters show up with a loaf of bread in one hand and a gun in the other. You’re better than the average hater.

        • truthtelling007

          All or nothing is easier to argue than nitty gritty details. It takes so much gray matter to look up election results and pay attention. Let us not strain our brains.

          I’ll do the work though:
          Hamas got 440,00 votes.
          non-Hamas votes numbered, 550,000

          Yep, that’s a Mandate…Not!

        • JulieD

          Strawberrybitch –

          And yet they continue to smuggle rockets and mortars instead of food and medicine.

          They use children as human shields.

          Terrorists are protected and elevated in their society instead of prosecuted.

          What won’t you excuse because they are poor?

          Why is their depraved behavior so readily and constantly defended by you?

          “They’re poor…why shouldn’t they beat, maim and kill their multiple wives, children, and pets?”

    • NoBamaNoWay

      the palestinian people support Hamas. they elected them. only 2 arab states even recognize the right of israel to exist, and of course Anwar Sadat of egypt was killed for his trouble. how much more clear could it be?

      • truthtelling007

        NoBamaNoWay,

        Why Did You Elect Obama? How could you do that to us? I can’t believe you elected Obama to reign over us with hit stupidity. How dare you!

        • JulieD

          truthtelling007 -

          BO was elected. Hamas was elected.

          Nobody said it was by acclimation or unanimous.

          And the fact that they elected a terrorist group dedicated to destroying Israel is truly terrible.

          Please continue attempting to make excuses for them, but it’s inexcusable.

    • mountainaires

      How Israel Brought Gaza To the Brink of Humanitarian Catastrophe

      Israeli Historian, Avi Shlaim, who wrote, The Iron Wall: “Israel is a Rogue State”

      I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine?1

  • KmX

    I do not think it is Anti Semetism if you oppose the war. We need to stop calling people who have different opinions on Israel foreign policy as Anti semetic. I do belive Israel will not stop until HAMAS loses control of the Gaza strip.

    When Israel gave back the GAZA strip, it was to the PA. The Paelestinian Authority was in charge of GAZA for a brief period. HAMAS violently overthrew the PA and in JUne 2007 and that’s how they got control of GAza. It was a violent conflict

    • Bud White

      “Secondly, I understand that most people who oppose Israel’s current actions are not anti-Semitic.”

    • truthtelling007

      I don’t believe that was the intent of this article. I agree with the article at face value because after almost a decade of working closely with “progressives” there are some who make no distinction between Jews and Israel as if Jews here have to answer for Israel. This is anti-Semitism to me.

      There are some who can make the distinction between Israeli action as a government and the Jewish nature of the state. But the ones who cannot and are prone to sweeping comments about Jews being for Israel, or sympathetic to the actions, are no different than holding every black male accountable for the few that commit crimes. I see it as no different.

      We must make distinctions.

      Just two days ago a good friend of mine went on a fairly rabid rant about Jews after I mentioned this set of discussions and I was stunned. I never had seen this in her before. She always stood up when racial injustices were happening here regarding black and latino citizens. She was a tried and tested “progressive”. But when I mentioned this conflict, she went into a froth about how evil Israel is.

      Israel is just another state to me. It has a government with duties and not unlike our government, there are some actions for which I will criticize them. I can criticize American policy without being anti-American in the process. In fact I’ve been raised to believe criticism is very patriotic when it is called for. Our policies under Bush are worth criticism. Our torture of suspects are criminal. Anyone who says I’m unAmerican for saying so can go don their Joseph McCarthy shirts and kiss my ass.

      The same is true for China. I love Chinese culture, history, arts, and more. I’ve learned tons about government, martial arts, music, religion, and more from this amazing country. However, their policy on Tibet as ignorant, selfish, out of place with history, and criminal. I don’t have to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

      I’m sorry there are some who cannot make distinctions. But that is their responsibility not mine.

      Repeatedly there is advocacy for treating Palestinians however you might wish based on their current elected officials. This is a thinking that contributes to the stated war crime of “collective punishment” under Geneva Convention Article 33.

      Article 33

      No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

      Pillage is prohibited.

      Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

      And for the pathological dualists, there is also a provision that makes using human shields a war crime under Article 28

      Article 28

      The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

      Hamas has committed this war crime and should be held accountable.

      http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm

      The author makes a very good point that just because someone is a liberal doesn’t exclude them from being a racist, an anti-semite, a homophobe or any other such behavior.

      I agree with your overall concern, KmX that the anti-Semite tag has been used as a bully bat to prevent conversations that are critical of Israel. And that just has to be dealt with by examining one’s own being to ask, “do I harbor feelings that collectively swath people when there are distinctions I’m missing, and am I operating counter to a people on these generalizations”?

      I wish the author would address the other anti-Semitism going on here, which is anti-Arab hatred like I have been reading here. It is no less ignorant or vile. And just as common, if not more in the wake of 9/11.

      • Bud White

        But the ones who cannot and are prone to sweeping comments about Jews being for Israel, or sympathetic to the actions, are no different than holding every black male accountable for the few that commit crimes. I see it as no different.

        Great point! That’s what we’ve seen a lot of recently, and I find it unacceptable.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        look, truth, we can all understand that not every person who lives in a country necessarily agrees with their government’s actions or their religion’s cultural practices, but at a certain point it becomes moot because enough of them *do* agree with the actions that it is not practical to limit one’s response on the basis of the few that don’t agree.

        i mean, did we refuse to get involved in WW2 because not “all” germans were nazis? of course not. get real. certainly, every reasonable effort to separate the innocent from the guilty should be made, but when do palestinian terrorists ever do that? quite often, in fact, they deliberately target innocent civilians, but the world makes excuses when they do. lastly, i think that you and your fellow palestinian-lovers are simply misinformed and deluded about the nature of the opposition israel faces. the majority of arabs do not want to live in peace with israel. they want israel and the jews gone.

        • truthtelling007

          If you understand it, then reflect it in your words. You keep glossing over it with generalizations. It isn’t up to me to interpret what you understand.

          And George Bush has had an approval rating below 50% for a long time, so “enough of them do” isn’t a rational argument for your comments.

          And we refused to get involved in WWII because before then we were an isolationist country mostly. We didn’t get involved. There was great resistance to getting involved in WWII.

          THEY
          You throw that word around a lot. THEY do this, and THEY do that, yet you never make distinctions who THEY is outside of “Palestinians”. This gives you no credibility in determining THEY.

          “your fellow palestinian-lovers”
          This is a smear. I am also a Jew Lover, if you want to engage in your racism some more. I’ve been called all those things. You’ve already admitted to your anti-Arab hatred. Keep it to yourself.

          You keep saying “The Majority” when you get your polls from the internet blogging you do. You haven’t been to a single Arab country, you act like they are monolithic and you are…”simply misinformed and deluded about” Arabs. You claim expertise in Arabic and Arabs, then admit it is from reading “arabs” online. Get real? how about you get real.

          • NoBamaNoWay

            i didn’t claim any expertise on arab culture, but i can report what i read online, and you are right that the internet does not represent a whole country or culture, but i am not taking a single random statement that i read on the internet and turning into some sweeping theory on what all arabs think. what i am seeing (and have seen for years) is a near universality in terms of opinions that israel is pure evil, has no right to exist, and should be completely eliminated.

            this is a serious question: what could explain this universality of opinion on the internet? why is it that those arabs who hate israel have plenty of access to the internet and are not shy about posting their opinions, but the ones that just want to live in peace are nowhere to be seen? again, this is a serious question.

            you know, before the iraq war when cheney, et al was telling us we were going to be welcomed with flowers and candy in iraq, i was seeing none of this opinion on the arabic newspapers/discussion pages i visited; quite the contrary, the opinion was universally opposed to the coming war. i had a (tiny) moment of doubt, wondering if maybe i just wasn’t going to the right websites to read all these pro-american opinions, or maybe these people just weren’t on the internet for some reason. but, as you know, we weren’t exactly welcomed as liberators (for long) and things turned out pretty much as i expected.

      • mountainaires

        Israel uses Palestinians as human shields, too. That’s gone on for years, has been reported by B’tselem.

        Critisism Against Israel Grows:

        Yesterday, Amnesty International also accused Israeli soldiers of using Palestinian civilians as human shields – a charge Israel has repeatedly leveled against Hamas.

        Malcolm Smart, a spokesman, said, “Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground-floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position.”

        http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=14028

  • NewHampster

    Thank you Bud. I just removed Cannon from my blog roll over at my site.

    I often wonder if these people get outraged when a suicide bomber blows up all sorts of Israelies in a marketplace. I doubt they even notice that news.

    This is a spectacular PR event that I’m sure was well planned and coordinated by Hammas scum who aren’t even in Gaza. They send orders down from Damascus.

    • Bud White

      Thank you. I’ve removed Cannon too. Shameful.

    • truthtelling007

      I agree with your point.
      I witnessed this about 7 years ago at a rally to stop the US from invading Iraq. There was news of a suicide bombing at a bus stop in Israel and one of the guys there who is anti-Israel, not just the government mind you but against it existing, said, “good for them”.

      Now in his mind, this was a just action based on his concept of the area that Israel was the sole aggressor. It didn’t take a rocket science major to hit that. But, I looked at his “peace” t-shurt and said, “then take that shit off —, because you have no such interest in peace.”
      “No…they had it coming”
      “If you believe that, fine, I can’t change your opinion, but then buy a new shirt with a new word, ‘Revenge’”

      He frothed and frothed at me about atrocities, and I agreed with him about many of the things he listed, but not his conclusion that it validated this sort of retaliation.

      “then what would you do?”

      I admitted then, and now, that it was certainly a tough question, but I said, “I don’t really know what I’d do, but I can tell you I know what I wouldn’t do, and that is more important. Better to give up my own life than take the life of another.”

      Of course being smart enough to keep it going he said, hitting my closer nerves, “so what if they did that to your son?!”

      “then I would hope my hate and rage wouldn’t consume me, but unless I could kill the person, specific person who killed my son, then it wouldn’t serve anyone to kill a proxy, now would it?”

      He didn’t have an answer. He stammered about the situation some more then wandered off.

      I know where his heart is about the Palestinians, but he resorted to hating the other side. I refuse to hate either side.

      And so all those who wish to hate me for my words, take note…your words don’t sway me when you ignore the distinctions. Calling me pro-this or anti-that, are your own concepts, not mine. I’m pro-living, pro-peace, understanding where hate comes from, and aware of that the example of Ghandi was more powerful than the British Empire. With this resolve, fire away at me all you wish. I’ll be at the sea getting salt.

      • Jillie

        i would have answered you. i would have said that any group which indoctrinates children to hate jews was as responsible for the death of my child as the one who pulled the trigger. and i would have said i would kill any person belonging to that group. and i would have said that if that group is allowed to flourish in a particular area, i would go into that area and kill as many of that group that i could find. i would warn the occupants of that area that i was coming and then i would go in and do whatever i had to to protect my family, my people, and my state.

        bravo to israel for continuing to pursue hamas..for not bending to the blatant double standard pr of terrorists bent on the destruction of israel and for ignoring the complicity of those around the world who never gave a shit and never will about the life of one jew.

        • JulieD

          Jillie –

          Bless you Jillie.

          The Hamas 4 here tonight – truthtelling/idioc/strawberrybitch/butch zeromort –

          have alternated between accusing me of working for Hamas and being a Nazi. Sometimes in the same stupid sentence.

          I just have to be evil because I don’t understand why Hamas isn’t such a great deal!

          Surely more Israelis should die in the interest of fairness to a terrorist group, right?!

          • truthtelling007

            “The Hamas 4 here tonight – truthtelling”

            You are one ignorant fuck.
            I never accused you of working for Hamas. You just did that to me you asshole. Go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

            • JulieD

              truthtelling007 -

              Nice…

      • JulieD

        truthtelling007 -

        Blech…

        More retching.

        Toilet flushing.

        You are insufferable.

  • Strawberrybitch

    I’m sorry, but by definition one cannot be a liberal and a bigot at the same time. Liberal=generous, ample, abundant, not literal or strict, TOLERANT, broad minded, favoring reform or progress…bigots and racists are none of those things. I don’t know what the hell those folks are that you are writing about…but loony comes mind.

    • Bud White

      The Right does not have a monopoly on hate and crazies.

      • WildChild

        Luckily liberals tend to be centrist

      • Andy

        Correct Bud, the extremes are the same: left, right it doesn’t matter.

    • Winston

      I’m sorry, but by definition one cannot be a liberal and a bigot at the same time.

      It depends on whether you go by the dictionary definition or the modern-day political label. You are arguing semantics.

      Political Liberals, as in democrats, progressives can certainly be bigots and racists etc.

      • WildChild

        make up your mind. Are you talking about liberals or are you talking about progressives? One, is not the other.

    • truthtelling007

      I agree with you when it comes to terms. But there are self-professed liberals who engage in racism all the time. Often times it comes in the form of what has been called, “benevolent racism” as well. The racism of lowered expectations or even raised expectations.

      Example: A non-profit I worked with was unabashedly “progressive” and yet, time and again white members would vote for black officers to the board or other governing bodies, then when that person didn’t stay within the expectations the white members had for him/her, they’d say, “but you of all people should know”…and voila…there it was again.

      I agree with you in principle that a “liberal” or “progressive” should examine their actions with their rhetoric. And unfortunately “liberals” don’t show a lot of tolerance for “conservatives” simply for being “conservatives”.

      At the same time, I’ve know “conservatives” who were, from everything I could see and hear, free of racist tendencies of any kind, and were not rabid Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity types. It was here that I had to start examining my own bias against conservatives a few years back. There were too many areas of common ground for me to pass up the opportunities.

      My two cents.

      • Strawberrybitch

        How true. Afterall Larry was a republican…and he made sense, and he was very open minded. I liked him the moment I saw him verbally castrate a Bushbot over Plame. Man, did my whole world go topsy turvy.

        • truthtelling007

          And Larry being a Republican, Hagel being a Republican, Ron Paul being a Republican, etc haven’t prevented them from stating, “The Emperor has no clothes”

          Larry is one of my favorite mammals.

    • lynn

      Strawberry- of course you know the folks he’s talking about. Its the same “liberals” we saw throughout the election. Should a liberal or progressive be sexist? Should they get in your face & scream if you disagreed with them? But they were & they did. They’re bastardizing the labels, just like the lovely Feminists(TM) in the post concerning MS mag.

  • Patrick Henry

    Bud…I Love ou like a brother…and sincerly Respect your Opinion and Input into this debate…

    However…One part that just hit me wrong about Hamas..is that they have “Fabricated the Atrocitys”…to get Sympathy..

    THose are real Dead Maimed Bodys of Women, Children and Civialians on the News and Larrys recent Post here..ONLY the USA Media is Sanitizing the EXPOSURE for OBVIOUS Reasons..

    Funny how Nations do that depending on Whose Side you are On..

    The Pictures of Similar “Atrcitys”..to Jews out of nazi germany wer Awful and gained them World sympathy..

    How Soon They Forget the Lessons Learned…or why the Civlized World HATED the Nazi’s and Took them Out..and why World Opinion can Quickly Turn against the State of Israel for showing the Same Racist Attitudes ..and CONDUCT..

    They Create the Palestenian GHETTO ..Nw situated WARSAW GAZA…and made the bed they are LYING In..

    Or were those Jewish “ATROCITYS” Fabricated too..?

    • Bud White

      How Soon They Forget the Lessons Learned…or why the Civlized World HATED the Nazi’s and Took them Out..and why World Opinion can Quickly Turn against the State of Israel for showing the Same Racist Attitudes ..and CONDUCT..

      They Create the Palestenian GHETTO ..Nw situated WARSAW GAZA…and made the bed they are LYING In..

      Or were those Jewish “ATROCITYS” Fabricated too..?

      I think you’re engaging in the exact use of code words and faulty analogues I decried in my post. No, I don’t think the Holocaust was fabricated.

      • Patrick Henry

        Bud..I’m Not using “CODE WODS”…and dont belong to any anti Semitic Groups..White Racists excuses for Christian religion…nor do I Hate Jews…I Treasure a Coffee Cup with the large Blu Words SHALOM on it from a Jewish friend nd Co Worker and have Championed Civial Rights for All racews, Creeds Colors or Genders..

        I am making Comparisons as I see them consider the Histoerical record and the Current Actions of the IDF..since Israels ARMY comes from many differnt places in the World during this “Regathering of the Bones..” which you will understand if you are a Christain and have read the Prohecys Of Ezekial and the Revelations of Jesus Christ to Jhohn at Patmos…

        I Condemn all Acts of war…and have the same feeling about Events in Africa…

        BOTH Parys are wrong…BOTH Religious GROUP…and SECTS are WRONG…and if anyone shoulkd know better it is the jews..

        I say..to Them ..If you want the Hamas Terrorists..Go in a Get them..Hand to hand and Man to Man and show the same Bravery that the Shepherd Boy..David showed against Goliath..instead of allowing yourselfs to REVERSE the Roles..

        I am saying this to Debate my Point of View BUB..and really Love you like a Brother and Appreciate Your Pwerspective and RIGHT to Express it..

        THATS… Why I Love Our Constitution so Much..and Hate many ISMS..except PATRIOTISM..

        • Bud White

          Forget for a moment that Israel is a Jewish state. It’s the only democracy in the region and it’s very existence is threatened continually from within and without. Hamas has been attack Israeli citizens; Israel is removing that threat.

          • Patrick Henry

            Sure Bud..Israel is a Socalist Democracy…because they can VOTE,….for whoever is not Assasinated at the Moment and can Appeal to the Fundamentalist or the Liberals the Most..

            I consider them about as democratic as Russia… and with about the same temperment..(i/e turning off the Gas in the Midle of winter)

            They rule at the Point of a GUN…and thier Arrogance has Created Much resentment…

            Would you still Consider America a “DEMOCRACY” if it were a Police State like Israel..

            Is America even really a “Democracy” Now..with Fair and Open Elections..???

            Many think Not…

    • Andy

      Patrick Henry:

      War is dirty and innocent lives are always lost. Noone should make a mistake about that. “Just wars” are a contradiction in terms precisely b/c of theloss of innocent lives. But one should not forget that Hamas targets civilians. Israel goes after military targets which by the nature of Gaza, and of war, kills civilians as well. Make no mistake: Israel is being careful you would otherwise had deaths in the thousands of thousands in a 800,000 tightly populated tiny piece of lnad. It is why Israel entered on foot at great risk rather than continuing dropping bombs from the air…
      One more thing about the MSM. do not believe everything to watch. Some is true some is not. The amount of old and unrelated footage is not small: CNN did it, France TV2 did it, and so it goes:

      In Paris, the state-owned TV network France-2 broadcasts film of dozens of dead Palestinians killed in an Israeli air raid on New Year’s Day. The channel subsequently admits that, in fact, the footage is not from Jan. 1, 2009, but from 2005, and, while the corpses are certainly Palestinian, they were killed when a truck loaded with Hamas explosives detonated prematurely while leaving the Jabaliya refugee camp in another of those unfortunate work-related accidents to which Gaza is sadly prone. Conceding that the Palestinians supposedly killed by Israel were, alas, killed by Hamas, France-2 says the footage was broadcast “accidentally.”

      Read the whole article (excellent) here:

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hamas-gaza-jewish-2277487-muslims-state#

  • It’s Not Me

    Thank you for this post, Bud. Finally, someone defending Israel and calling out the Anti-Semites who try to hide behind their code words. Too bad those “code words” set off alarm bells with many Jews. Little do they know they aren’t fooling anyone…ESPECIALLY Jews.

    “Warsaw Ghetto”……mary’s, (and many other’s) favorite term to use on this blog. I agree with you. It’s anti-Semitic. When it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a freakin’ duck….

    NEVER AGAIN.

    • Bud White

      Thank you. Never Again.

    • JulieD

      It’s Not Me/Bud –

      I WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE!!!

  • Mr. X

    Israel is right to attack Hamas in Gaza. The Palestinians are wrong to have elected Hamas as their leaders.

    I stopped reading after this. What a joke.

    • Butch Zero

      I agree, it’s very simplistic in its propaganda.

      I criticize Obama’s Jon Feavru for his canned soup thinking, this is the same.

      Divert attention away from the Israeli neocons to some mythical left, which doesn’t even exist anymore.

      Tired, old stuff.

      BTW, Israeli will die of it’s own hand on its current path, it is obvious how it is being baited, militarily.

      It’s failure to recognize the pattern is nobody’s fault but that of the neocons.

      • Mr. X

        What I really hate is that Bud is talking about not using guilt by association and then does it himself in his first two sentences. That’s complete BS to me.

        • Bud White

          Israel is targeting Hamas; there’s no guilt by association. Hamas is recognized terrorist organization, and they have been repeatedly attacking Israel.

          • Mr. X

            Bullshit! And you know it.

            • Mr. X

              I’ll add that 100 Palestinians for every Israeli is NOT targeting Hamas. It’s a massacre.

              • It’s Not Me

                DAMN those Israelis for not dying when those Hamas rockets land on their houses! THE NERVE! What a waste of 10,000 rockets!

                Hamas TARGETS ISRAELI CITIZENS. Israel warns Palestinian citizens WHERE they will be bombing and tells them to leave. You are delusional if you think the IDF is deliberately killing non-Hamas members.

                Hell, if 24 hour news networks and the Internet(s) existed during WWII…..WE could be the United States of GERMANY because of people like you. Get a damn clue. Hamas is a terrorist organization who is hellbent on killing every Jew in Israel and destroying her. Then they will come after YOU. You think their blood lust will stop with the Jews? Here’s a hint: THEY HATE ALL INFIDELS. WHAT’S AN INFIDEL?

                INFIDEL on the Web:

                * heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god

                Unless you’re a Muslim practicing Islam, they want YOU DEAD TOO. Why do you think 911 happened? Because radical Muslims LOVE us? I think not.

                • Idiocracy08

                  Israel doesn’t target civilians:
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNnyAGSGPc

                  • It’s Not Me

                    Another Hamas propaganda video? No thanks. I know the truth and so do you.

                    • truthtelling007

                      “I know the truth”
                      Then tell it will ya?

                    • Idiocracy08

                      Has nothing to do with Hamas. I guess you’re too scared to look and see the IDF kill an Israeli in a peaceful demonstration – 10 meters away, and then not helping him.

                      Nice.

                      Hamas was nowhere in sight.

                • truthtelling007

                  “Unless you’re a Muslim practicing Islam, they want YOU DEAD TOO.”

                  Funny I know Christians who think the same way. Should I now go fight the Christians?

                  Jews were taught this too, should I go kill Jews based on this?

                  Exodus 22:20
                  You must kill those who worship another god.

                  Deuteronomy 13:6-10
                  Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.

                  Deuteronomy 13:12-16
                  Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.

                  Deuteronomy 17:2-7
                  Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.

                  Deuteronomy 17:12-13
                  Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest.

                  Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

                  Mark 6:11
                  Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.

                  and you might want to warn us Jews of:
                  Philippians 2:10
                  Everyone will have to worship Jesus — whether they want to or not.

                  Luke 19:11-27
                  “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

                  SO…if you want to get into a theological conversation about who hates…you might be careful…I come prepared for this argument. Just a warning.

                  And your anachronistic pseudo logic about “United States of Germany” is pure rubbish. If you’d town down your mental hyperbole, you might get a clue, might.

                  I think your moniker describes your philosophy well, it’s not you…its the other guy…never your fault, never your responsibility, it’s never you.

                  • It’s Not Me

                    Oh stop with the bullshit. Radical Muslims scream their death threats to Jews and Infidels every chance they get. Jews do NOT. If you can’t acknowledge at LEAST that fact, there’s no hope for you.

                    Another stupid argument from you.

                    • truthtelling007

                      I didn’t acknowledge that Mugabe is the President of Zimbabwe, does that make it not so?
                      I didn’t acknowledge that movies require cameras, does that make it not so?

                      I pointed out clearly that Islam does not have a monopoly on killing non-believers and you go apeshit.

                      You said “Unless you’re a Muslim practicing Islam, they want YOU DEAD TOO.”

                      And I pointed out it wasn’t an exclusive club. And you say I make a stupid argument? You don’t seem capable of having a rational conversation. When met with a contradiction you just spew invective.

                    • It’s Not Me

                      Put my quote IN CONTEXT, 007.

                      HERE is what I said and YOU cherry picked OUT OF CONTEXT…damn…THAT is soooooo Dick Cheneyish:

                      Hamas is a terrorist organization who is hellbent on killing every Jew in Israel and destroying her. Then they will come after YOU. You think their blood lust will stop with the Jews? Here’s a hint: THEY HATE ALL INFIDELS. WHAT’S AN INFIDEL?

                      INFIDEL on the Web:

                      * heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god

                      Unless you’re a Muslim practicing Islam, they (MEANING HAMAS) want YOU DEAD TOO. Why do you think 911 happened? Because radical Muslims LOVE us? I think not.

                      NICE CHERRY PICKING, DICK.

                    • Idiocracy08

                      * heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god

                      Jews, Christians, Muslims all worship the same God.

                    • Idiocracy08
                • Mr. X

                  Israel is acting worse than any terrorist organization right now. Not that I support Hamas, but at least they supported the 67 two state solution like the rest of the world. This is one of the reasons the truce was broken by Israel. They brought this on because they had to do something to make sure Israel wasn’t the one who appeared to be opposing peace.

                  Death is what you support. May God have mercy on your soul.

                  I’d link the site, but NQ won’t let me. Anyways, it’s a site with pictures of the massacre.

                  One caption reads:

                  Ce jour-ci les médias occidentaux ont “omis” de mentionner que l’armée israélienne fait exploser sans limites les ambulances palestiniennes (déjà près de 7 morts : ambulanciers et victimes)

                  Translated:

                  “Today, the western media “omitted” to mention that the Isreali army are making Palestinian ambulances explode with no end in sight (already nearly 7 dead : ambulance personal and victims)”

                  Google those words (in French). I’m sure the site will come up.

                  • It’s Not Me

                    Israel is acting worse than any terrorist organization right now.

                    and you were screaming the same thing about Hamas when their 10,000 rockets hit Israel, right?

                    And I call that quote of yours a crock o’ crap. Israel is eliminating Hamas the only way they can and they don’t CARE what you or the rest of the world thinks about it. The world hates Israel. Just ask the UN.

              • JulieD

                Mr. X -

                When Palestine loves its children more than it wants to murder Israelis;

                it will turn over its terrorists and vote for a humane government.

            • Andy

              You are crazy…

            • TeakwoodKite

              Which part is BS Mr. X?

              True or not;

              Israel is targeting Hamas?
              Hamas is recognized terrorist organization?
              They have been repeatedly attacking Israel?

          • mountainaires

            Is it “anti-semitic” to condemn Israeli policies in the Palestinian Territories? Not if those policies violate international law, as Israeli Historian Avi Shlaim says in his latest article, in which he calls Israel a “rogue state.” Israeli policies have long been documented as “crimes against humanity” by a host of international law experts. Just as it was “racist” to oppose Barack Obama’s nomination in the Democratic primary, and of course that argument was ludicrous and offensive then, it is “anti-semitic” to criticize Israeli policies. How insulting to Israeli writers, historians, journalists and citizens who oppose their own government’s racist policies and write about them!

            [T]he Nuremberg “crimes against humanity” are the historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish people was so horrific that it required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of “crimes against humanity.” And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.

            Article II of the Genocide Convention defines the international crime of genocide in relevant part as follows:

            In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:

            (a) Killing members of the group;

            (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

            (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

            ….

            As documented by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe in his seminal book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2006), Israel’s genocidal policy against the Palestinians has been unremitting, extending from before the very foundation of the State of Israel in 1948, and is ongoing and even intensifying against the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza.

            The United States Promotes Israeli Genocide Against the Palestinians
            by Prof. Francis A. Boyle

            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11721
            http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis7.html

    • truthtelling007

      But how can you? after all you voted for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon…don’t you get that?

      • Mr. X

        Who are you talking to? How can you what?

        • truthtelling007

          I was referring to the comment above by the very dense author who suggests: “Israel is right to attack Hamas in Gaza. The Palestinians are wrong to have elected Hamas as their leaders.”

          It is just illogical gibberish to generalize like that. That’s like saying everyone here at NQ voted for Obama because he’s now the President Elect, or that everyone voted for Bush because he was the last, and on and on.

          Highly inconvenient when the facts don’t match their faux rhetoric.

          • It’s Not Me

            Here’s a clue:

            Bush was never elected. The SCOTUS appointed him in 2000 and he stole the 2004 election via Ohio. I don’t think there’s many people on NQ who voted for BO either. Hillary was our gal.

  • http://baddemocrat08.wordpress.com obamastolemyboyfriend

    I support Israel. The US cannot denounce what Israel is doing after how we went after
    Iraq. You can try and blame Bush, but he did not decide it on his own. The Senate voted, whether right or wrong, they agreed to let Bush do what he needed to do. Most of them knew he wanted war.

    If Israel is obliterated one day, I do believe that the US will be next. The middle East wants the world to embrace Islam. We are Christianity based here and they want us dead. Sad to say, but the hatred of Israel is thier first priority. Hatred of the West is next. We need to support Israel. I agree that they should not target children. No country should target children, including the US.

    You cannot stop terrorists from hating others. There is no negotiating with a terrorist from any country.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Oh my Gosh. Um, there’s no way the US can be obliterated. We will more than likely have terrorist attacks on our soil when all those terrorists cutting their teeth in Iraq return home to their country of origins and start training suicide bombers. Think of Iraq as the PLDC of terrorists. But obliterated? No we will have the military edge for some time. I have that much faith in our armed forces. Even if barky takes the reins.

    • JulieD

      obamastolemyboyfriend -

      I agree!

      As an aside you wrote:

      We need to support Israel. I agree that they should not target children. No country should target children, including the US.

      What about when children are targeting US? It frequently happened in Germany and Viet Nam.

      Hamas starts indoctrinating wee ones, so that they are little killing machines quite young. They aspire to be with those virgins in paradise by destroying us infidels.

      Gangs often use kids to kill other kids right here in the US.

      Sometimes the little darlings even manage to get certified as adults for their criminal trials.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      word, OSMB.

  • basil

    Excellent, bud.

    Sounds like BO took a couple of pages of his race-campaign right out of the Hammas playbook, doesn’ it?

    ‘Hamas is aware of anti-Israel sentiment and they have a history of fabricating “atrocities” to inflame the world against Israel.’

    “BO is aware of AA’s claims of racism and has a history of fabricating charges of racism to inflame minorities and white-guilt fools against anyone who doesn’t support him.”

    • Oisafraud

      Amen!!!

  • Touchet

    Today on the news, this guy from the Obama camp was talking about how Obama would be in a better position to negotiate a peace agreement. I laughed out loud.

    what is up with these freaks who still think Obama is all that. I swear, America truly is the most uneducated bunch of people ever.

  • rw

    “As I wrote on the same post:

    Land was not “taken away” from Palestinians. Jewish holocaust survivors [and others] fought the British who controlled a colony the British called Palestine, which was never a Palestinian state.”

    I differ in opinion, land was taken from Palestinians (whether it was a country or a land under the Turks, Egypt or UK) it did not mean it was free for garbs. If what I have read is correct, as early as the l800′s the Zionist congresses look at Palestine as the area to colonize and by the early 1900′s as the land on which to create the state of Israel. Mid century just brought in the opportune circumstances.

    But this is history, now we have the state of Israel. What would the issue be to grant the Palestinians their own sovereign nation. A prosperous democratic Palestine would be the best neighbor Israel can have.

    • Bud White

      What would the issue be to grant the Palestinians their own sovereign nation. A prosperous democratic Palestine would be the best neighbor Israel can have.

      Yes, I agree. And Israel should have a neighbor who recognizes their right to exist and doesn’t indiscriminately kill Israelis. That would be a start.

      • rw

        “And Israel should have a neighbor who recognizes their right to exist and doesn’t indiscriminately kill Israelis.”

        But it does, doesn’t it.

        • Bud White

          Who? …… Hamas’ charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

          • rw

            Of course not Hamas.

            “On November 15, 1988, in the text of its Declaration of Independence, the PLO affirmed for the first time that the historic Partition Resolution of 1947, (UNGA Res. 181) was part of valid international law, thus accepting that Israel came into being lawfully. Indeed, the Declaration of Independence specifically noted the factual truth that the Partition Resolution provided for ‘two states, one Arab and one Jewish.’”

            20 years have past and opportunities have been spent…and the situation has gotten worse the outcome will be more dire.

            • ks

              Exactly! Bud is being VERY disingenuous apologist with this post. He’s putting in CYA caveats but is still making a guilt by association argument and lamely trying to imply, by using extreme examples, that all criticism of Israel’s action is anti-Semitism which, is a predictable intimidation tactic but utter nonsense nontheless.

              Also, are we really pretending that Gazans are “neighbors” of the Isrealis in any remotely normal sense of the word and that Hamas = Palestinians? What rubbish.

            • ks

              Exactly! Bud is being a VERY disingenuous apologist with this post. He’s putting in CYA caveats but is still making a guilt by association argument and lamely trying to imply, by using extreme examples, that all criticism of Israel’s action is anti-Semitism which, is a predictable intimidation tactic but utter nonsense nontheless.

              Also, are we really pretending that Gazans are “neighbors” of the Isrealis in any remotely normal sense of the word and that Hamas = Palestinians? What rubbish.

        • stodgie

          rw, you want to claim that hamas recognizies isreal’s right to exist and doesn’t kill israelis??? you meanwhile ignore the rockets they have sent for years, their charter, their public proclamations of death to israel, etc. frankly, there is nothing to support your claims. nothing!

          • rw

            “rw, you want to claim that hamas recognizies isreal’s right to exist and doesn’t kill israelis???”

            Where did I say that? Pls read above my quote on the PLO.

    • Denise B

      The early Zionists emigrated legally and purchased their land. This cannot be called stealing.

      • rw

        I did not call it “stealing”. I’m not a land acquisition expert, but reading on the planning, funding, and execution of land acquisition from the mid 1800′s on through to today, I understand how “legally purchased” is open to debate….and why the conflict exists as it does. It takes TWO to create a conflict.

  • Oisafraud

    Great piece. Analysis to the point. I love it. Palestinians (Hama) have become masters of crying victim every time they get into a fight with Israel.

    Calling Israel racist is other of their crying wolf argument. For those who have followed the history of the Mideast conflict for years now, ask yourself this question. If you were a given a choice for a neighbor between Hama or IDF, who would you want to live next to you? I would choose IDF any day till the end of the earth.

    If Hamas really want to live in peace with Israel, they would have done it by now. Jordan and Egypt are doing it. Even though I would not trust Egypt.

    • Bud White

      If you were a given a choice for a neighbor between Hama or IDF, who would you want to live next to you? I would choose IDF any day till the end of the earth.

      Thank you and well said.

  • Oisafraud

    “A prosperous democratic Islamic Palestine” is dream in never never land. Name one prosperous democratic Islamic state that exist in the world today? I dare you. Just name one please? Anyone with the Koran up their assholes have no concept on freedom or human rights, not to mention democratic practices.

    • rw

      “A prosperous democratic Palestine” mine

      ““A prosperous democratic Islamic Palestine”” your take on mine

    • NoBamaNoWay

      heh heh. word.

  • Jackarooty

    Thank you Bud. I am a Jew. I support Israel. If the day should ever come when the Jews are rounded up for collection and disposition in this country I will know who are my enemies.

    NEVER AGAIN.

  • ritamary

    Israel is not a secular state. How can it be called a secular state when people of one religion have special privileges there?

  • yttik

    My post disappeared. Anyway, good article Bud White. I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said.

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    Thanks Bud:

    Well thought out and well said. Israel is doing the only thing left it can do.

    This entire nation embraced the Powell doctrine when it came to the first Gulf War and Afganistan. When you go in, you go in full force. With Israel, they have to play by different rules, people speak of disproportionate response.

    Perhaps someday, Gaza residents will not allow Hamas terrorists to set up shop in their neighborhoods. That is the only way to get the rockets to stop.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Yeah, my Oma should have stopped Hitler when she had the chance. All five foot even of her. Damn her.

      • truthtelling007

        Oma and Opa did their best no?

        Good Germans?

        • Strawberrybitch

          Well, they almost got sent to the camps when their neighbor turned them in for listening to British radio and doing the Jitterbug. PS Oma did her best with five children and running from bombs. Opa…not so much.

      • stodgie

        yeah well, it all begins with one person regarding gaza. and we all know your oma couldn’t do anything. we do understand that. but the fact remains the good people of gaza need to begin saying enough is enough not only to israel but to hamas.

        • Strawberrybitch

          Stodgie. The point is, just like the poor, starving, innocent people in Gaza, if my Oma has stood up to Hitler, she and her children would have been killed. She like the people in Gaza are not trained soldiers, they are just like you. Just trying to get through life.

          • stodgie

            trying to get through life pretty much sums it up. i sincerely wish hamas understood that the people of gaza deserve a life and are not fodder for manipulation.

    • truthtelling007

      And by the way, Nocturnal Warrior…thanks for your radio programs and work for NQ. Much appreciation.

    • Bud White

      Israel is doing the only thing left it can do.

      Thanks, Warrior. I agree. The US has killed many thousands of more civilians in Iraq, but funny how the anti-war left never calls the US soldiers “Nazis.” Israel is justified in going after terrorists.

  • ritamary

    Nobody is responding to my statement that Israel is not secular. Just google “Israel women divorce” to find out how secular things are for women in Israel. They must go through an orthodox religious court to get get a divorce. Husbands can refuse to divorce wives and are backed by the religious courts. This is not my idea of secular.

    • lynn

      I know orthodox Jews go through religious courts, dunno if all Israelis do. Either way, a comparison of the treatment of an Israeli woman vs a Muslim woman, well I think there is no comparison.

      As for the comment about special privileges, Israeli Arabs are in the Knesset. Again, I don’t know enough about the situation in Israel to claim equal treatment, but I feel pretty certain an Arab country would not let a Jewish minority participate in government.

    • smitty

      A secular state means you get to choose your own religion and practice it by it’s doctrines. If a person is a Christian in Israel, they do not have to go to an orthodox religious court to get a divorce any more than a muslim in Israel goes to a Jewish court to practice his beliefs. Muslims live by the Koran, Jews live by the Torah and Christians live by the Bible. the courts are separate and secular. In an Islamic country, you practice Islam or you are not welcome to put it mildly. The Koran says that a person who is not Islamic or one who is Islamic and converts to another religion is is an infidel and subject to death.

  • ford

    I have been upset by the Cannon’s posts as well. He did post my comments, but I think I will not be over there again.
    I support Israel, I think they are trying this, because nothing else they have done has stopped the rockets coming in from Gaza.
    I understand that the Palestinians are suffering. It would seem that the neighboring countries could be giving some of the refugees a place in their countries. They don’t.
    Arafat had the opportunity to make a state, and turned it down….bad government=compromise of people’s safety and security.

  • DaddysDarlin

    I believe Israel has every right to defend itself and it’s citizens from terrorists.
    War is never pretty and there are always going to be civilian casualties, yet it makes it no less critical that Israel rid themselves and the world of Hamas.
    The world should be helping Israel not criticizing them. This is a war on terror, the worlds war on terror, and we must all take responsibility in riding the world of these terrorists.

  • steve

    I have to say Jews must be the most hated people in the world. I don’t care if you are liberal, conservative, muslim, black, european, progressive or whatever.

    I’m jewish and I have come to accept this.

    • It’s Not Me

      That goes without saying. It’s become acceptable to hate Jews and women. 2 of the most reviled groups in the world.

      Did you see this post by Jillie a few days ago? It says it all….Jews ARE hated and always have been. Here’s her post:

      Comment by Jillie | 2009-01-04 00:26:41

      On November 24, 2006, at the age of 92,
      a man named Stanley Goldfoot passed away. After the
      rebirth of the Jewish State of Israel his main goal, which he eventually realized, was to establish a newspaper, “The Times of Israel.”

      In the first issue of “The Times of Israel”, Stanley Goldfoot wrote his famous controversial “Letter to the World from Jerusalem”, which caused quite a stir. The article is still relevant and, in his memory, I am sharing it with you.

      A Letter to the World from
      Jerusalem

      by Eliezer ben Yisrael (Stanley Goldfoot)

      I am not a creature from another planet, as you seem to believe. I am a Jerusalemite -like yourselves, a man of flesh and blood. I am a citizen of my city, an integral part of my people.

      I have a few things to get off my chest. Because I am not a diplomat, I do not have to mince words. I do not have to please you or even persuade you. I owe you nothing. You did not build this city, you did not live in it, you did not defend it when they came to destroy it. And we will be damned if we will let you take it away.

      There was a Jerusalem before there was a New York. When Berlin, Moscow, London, and Paris were miasmal forest and swamp, there was a thriving Jewish community here. It gave something to the world which you nations have rejected ever since you established
      yourselves – a humane moral code.

      Here the prophets walked, their words flashing like forked lightning. Here a people who wanted nothing more than to be left alone, fought off waves of heathen would-be conquerors, bled and died on the battlements, hurled themselves into the flames of their burning Temple rather than surrender, and when finally overwhelmed by sheer numbers and led away into captivity, swore that before they forgot Jerusalem, they would see their tongues cleave
      to their palates, their right arms wither.

      For two pain-filled millennia, while we were your unwelcome guests, we prayed daily to return to this city. Three times a day we petitioned the Almighty: “Gather us from the four corners of the world, bring us upright to our land, return in
      mercy to Jerusalem, Thy city, and swell in it as Thou promised.” On every Yom Kippur and Passover, we fervently voiced the hope that next year would find us in Jerusalem.

      Your inquisitions, pogroms, expulsions, the ghettos into which you jammed us, your forced baptisms, your quota systems, your genteel anti-Semitism, and the final unspeakable horror, the holocaust (and worse,
      your terrifying disinterest in it) – all these have not broken us. They may have sapped what little moral strength you still possessed, but they
      forged us into steel. Do you think that you can break us now after all we have been through? Do you really believe that after Dachau and Auschwitz we are frightened by your threats of blockades and sanctions? We have been to Hell and back – a Hell of your making. What more could you possibly have in your arsenal that could scare us?

      I have watched this city bombarded twice by nations calling themselves civilized. In 1948, while you looked on apathetically, I saw women and children blown to smithereens, after we agreed to your request to internationalize the city. It was a deadly combination that did the job – British officers, Arab gunners, and American-made cannon. And then the savage sacking of the Old City – the willful slaughter, the wanton destruction of every synagogue and religious school, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, the sale by a ghoulish government of tombstones for building materials, for poultry runs, army camps, even latrines.

      And you never said a word.

      You never breathed the slightest protest when the Jordanians shut off the holiest of our places, the Western Wall, in violation of the pledges they had made after the war – a war they waged, incidentally, against the decision of the UN. Not a murmur came from you whenever the legionnaires in their spiked helmets casually opened fire upon our citizens from behind the walls.

      Your hearts bled when Berlin came under siege. You rushed your airlift “to save the gallant Berliners”. But you did not send one ounce of food when
      Jews starved in besieged Jerusalem. You thundered against the wall which the East Germans ran through the middle of the German capital – but not one
      peep out of you about that other wall, the one that tore through the heart of Jerusalem.

      And when that same thing happened 20 years later, and the Arabs unleashed a savage, unprovoked bombardment of the Holy City again, did any of
      you do anything?

      The only time you came to life was when the city was at last reunited.

      Then you wrung your hands and spoke loftily of “justice” and need for the “Christian” quality of turning the other cheek.

      The truth – and you know it deep inside your gut – you would prefer the city to be destroyed
      rather than have it governed by Jews. No matter how diplomatically you phrase it, the age old prejudices seep out of every word.

      If our return to the city has tied your theology in knots, perhaps you had better reexamine your catechisms. After what we have been through, we are not passively going to accommodate ourselves to the twisted idea that we are to suffer eternal homelessness until we accept your savior.

      For the first time since the year 70,
      there is now complete religious freedom for all in Jerusalem. For the first time since the Romans put a torch to the Temple, everyone has equal rights
      (You prefer to have some more equal than others.) We loathe the sword- but it was you who forced us to take it up. We crave peace, but we are not going back to the peace of 1948 as you would like us to.

      We are home. It has a lovely sound for a nation you have willed to wander over the face of the globe. We are not leaving. We are redeeming the pledge made by our forefathers: Jerusalem is being rebuilt. “Next year” and the year after, and after, and after, until the end of time- “in Jerusalem!”

      Stanley Goldfoot
      Founder
      Editor
      The Times of Israel

      my own words, written to mr. johnson but never replied to, were much simpler…never again.

      israel will do whatever has to be done to survive. and the rest of the world can go fuck itself.

      • truthtelling007

        Yeah yeah…you are arguing something that nobody has rejected. Why are you wasting your time yelling over and over again, “NEVER AGAIN”? Do you want to retire that phrase to the grave, because repeating it like a mantra at every turn is doing exactly that.

        And what you’ve just said amounts to stupidity:
        “israel will do whatever has to be done to survive.”

        So if Israel just nukes all non-Jews…that certainly will help them survive, right? does it make it right? Your zealotry needs to be examined.

        Why not tone down a bit and actually engage a conversation? At this point you are simply broadcasting the same statement over and over again.

        • It’s Not Me

          The words in bold are Jillie’s post from a few days ago and I don’t post “Never Again”, over and over again…though it cannot be stated ENOUGH and if I feel like posting it, I will and don’t need your permission to do so.

          When did I say I hate men and Arabs? I’ll be waiting for the proof. I have never said I hate Arabs and men because I don’t. Where the f*** did you get that? I do however DETEST Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, David Duke and their ilk and I honestly don’t give a crap what you think about that.

          • JulieD

            It’s Not Me –

            truthtelling007 can’t make a logical assumption or statement, but never lets that get in its way.

            I think it’s Keith Olderman what with all of the mindless blathering and personal accusations.

          • truthtelling007

            Well frothy,

            I DETEST Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda (whoever that is), Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, David Duke (in fact I ran David Duke out of a local town a few years ago) and their ilk.

            But those who hate Arabs simply for being Arabs are no different than these guys. David Duke hates Arabs too.

            Now, I’m sorry if you though I was saying you hate Arabs, because I wasn’t. I was including the opposite sides of this coin to your phrase, “jews and women” to make the point that hating a group, is hate. Period.

            And if you don’t give a crap about what I say, then show it, ignore me. That’s your choice.

            I do care what you have to offer here. And like it or not, I’m as welcome here as you are.

      • truthtelling007

        and one more thing…I won’t trade one hatred for another. If it is wrong “to hate Jews and women”, it is also wrong “to hate Arabs and men”. Unless you want to now validate your hatred for a group based on the actions of some of them. I say it is wrong to hate either.

        Hate is wrong.
        Argue that for a while.

    • Bud White

      Steve,

      It’s painful that you say that but I believe it’s true.

    • lynn

      I was shocked when I backpacked a few years ago. It was an area where both Europeans and Israelis travel. The Europeans would say the most anti-semitic things, as if they were facts, without batting an eye. At the time I thought, we would never tolerate that in America. But here we are, becoming so vogue.

    • Andy

      Steve, I agree. Me too. Part has to do with has to do with jealousy (as a people).

    • smitty

      Yes, I am not Jewish, but have also reached this conclusion. I must say that I wonder why this is the case. Why have the Jews been persecuted by so many countries for so many centuries? They have done nothing to warrent this any more than any other group of people or ethnic group has done, but yet they are the ones who have been singled out for persecution for centuries. I know that some other religionsand races have been persecuted also, but not to the extent that the Jewish people have suffered.

  • bert

    Let me join the chorus here, Bud White, and say what an excellent post. Right on. As you correctly point out there is a difference between antisemitism and critizing a particular action. And as a civilized people we cannot allow criticism to devolve into hatred.

    I wrote a comment over at Cannonfire to this very post you cite here. It was respectful, yet asked Cannonfire clarification of his position, plus mentioned that Israel had just as much right to be in the Mideast as did Palestine. He chose not to publish it. In a subsequent post I mentioned that and told him I was “outta there,’ when I was censored. I have never been censored before. Have had some heated debate. But never censored.

    Again, thank you for an excellent, intelligent, well thought out post with integrity.

    • Bud White

      Thank you for your calm and thoughtful response. I may disagree with the owner this blog on matters of policy in this situation, but I respect him as an expert on international/security issues. The name-calling and prejudice must stop.

  • SoCalDem

    I went to Cannonfire the other day, I couldn’t believe his take on the situation in the middle east. I couldn’t even respond, I just removed him from my favorites, and won’t be returning. That’s the nice thing about the internet, you can go where you feel comfortable. I can’t even count the number of sites that have been deleted from my favorites list just this election cycle.

    • It’s Not Me

      Are you the same SoCalDem from DU? DU was removed from MY favorites list this election cycle. Their BO love fest was just too much to handle.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        ha ha. i was wondering the same thing; i recognized the name from DU. i have not been to DU since a few months before the election, and i was a daily visitor there since the very beginning (under various user names, as i had been banned numerous times for not towing the DU line.)

      • SoCalDem original

        ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

        apparently some disgruntled DUer went to a splinter group and signed up, using the same name..

        Unfortunately this “person” is quite prolific..as well as vitriolic, narrowminded and nasty..

        I should have “gone there” as myslf and gotten banned so no one could appropriate “my name”..

        In 8 long years at DU, I have always prided myself on being openminded and welcoming, and regret that someone may now be posting stuff that might get attributed to me…

        I’m sorry that you have had a bad experience, and no longer go there.. Truthfully, I go less and less because of all the trolls who have “found us”..

  • blogforce one

    Maybe they shouldn”ta handed out candies and danced in the streets by the thousands wearing bin-laden shirts when we got hit on 9/11/2001. and they would get more sympathy from me… The anti Semites are crying in droves now that Hamas is being completely dismantled by the IDF. The real culprit here is the Iranian Mullocracy who underwrites the grad missile attacks on Israeli civilians While drinking tea in the safety of their homes while they push pawns to their deaths in Gaza in a disgusting game of proxy war/chess with Israel. Mullahs in Iran gone=peace in the middle east!

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post. Well said.

  • ces

    Fear makes people say and do irrational things.

  • http://medusa2.wordpress.com medusa

    Bud, your post (and Joseph Cannon) makes me want to join the Jewish Defense League.

    http://www.jdl.org/

  • Ron

    Thanks for the excellent post, Bud. I stopped coming to this site because of Larry’s misguided take on the Gaza situation but a friend suggested I read this post.

    You can read my take on the anti-Israel protests here:
    http://www.partizane.com/node/585#comment-5866

  • JulieD

    Bud –

    EXCELLENT POST!!!

    My heart goes out to Israel. Leaving Gaza and being rewarded with 6,000+ rockets and mortars.

    And horrible people thinking more Israelis should die to appease a group of murderers bent on annihilating them.

  • bayareavoter

    Thanks for this post Bud White.

    Since the first protest against the war in Iraq (before the war began) there’s been a lot of anti-Semitism from the so-called left that’s always in the guise of anti-Israel behavior.

    I can’t stand to see what’s happening now but I can’t judge what’s right militarily. I hurts me to see innocent civilians in Gaza killed. But I also lost a very dear friend in a bus bombing in Jerusalem some years ago so I understand the insecurity of living in Israel.

    I believe in a 2 state solution — it’ll be better for everyone but I don’t kid myself about who Hamas is and what they stand for. How do you negotiate with someone who wants to see you destroyed?

    • WildChild

      How do you negotiate with someone who wants to see you destroyed?

      (ROFLMAO) With all the calls for the destruction of Hamas in support of Israel on this web site, that statement you’ve just made justifies the continued armed assault by hamas against Israel. LOL you guys really have to think about what you have to say before you say it.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        OMG. calling for the destruction of a terrorist organization is justification for its continuation? i guess the israelis are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

        • WildChild

          Hamas can’t negotiate with you because you want to destroy them. That’s your standard, not mine. Being it’s your standard you’ve left Hamas with no choice but to fight. Unless of course you want to hold them to a different standard then you would hold Israel.

  • elise

    Americans love labels. If I, for example, take a position on an issue, someone will choose a label, make a generalization and attribute to me all the characteristic associated with that label.

    Gen. George Patton was a “Hawk”. He freely admitted he loved war. Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was appointed by FDR to be the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces. No one would deny he was a decent man who was not enamored by war, but was a brilliant general. Was he a Hawk or “Dove”? Neither?

    During the recent election cycle, I voted for Hillary in the caucus. I supported her campaign with phone calls and donations. She is a liberal who supports Israel as does her husband, the former president.

    I am a liberal and had never voted for a Republican until this election when I voted for McCain. I was raised in a family which is a strong supporter of Israel because they believe Jews are God’s Chosen People.

    I don’t support Israel’s actions in Gaza and did not support their war in Lebanon, but knowing Hillary supports Israel, I would still vote for her in a second because I believe she will always put the US first and will do her best to facilitate an agreement and peace in the ME. My opinions about this conflict are not based on enmity toward Jews. I don’t identify with either race or religion

    Most who comment and post here have been labeled racist over the last year because they didn’t support Obama. I have been called racist.

    According to your reasoning, Bud White, I am a Liberal, I oppose this military action by Israel therefore, I am a Jew-hater or anti-Semitic. This is the label you and others are using. It is a strange irony which has led to a close community of people, who know one another as well as possible after months and years of exchanging ideas, tears and laughter over the Internet, to now, be on opposite sides of this issue and use hateful labels which will damage the connection and forever change the way we view one another.

    No question there are anti-Semites here and around the world. There are people here and around the world who have used derogatory epithets for Arabs and Muslims even before 9/11. Racism exists here and around the world. There are hateful labels for Jews, gentiles, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, Germans, French and on and on. The use of certain names for other races are so odious they are forbidden in all languages among intelligent and enlightened people, they are so hateful they stir deep emotion and cause visceral reactions and have for centuries.

    Even these, sometimes, hateful people should not be labeled by one opinion without looking for some reason to put aside the hate in the search for peace when the name calling itself makes a solution impossible.

    GWB said, “you’re either for us or against us” when speaking of the US invasion of Iraq equating that action with pro-American or anti-American. Remember Freedom Fries?

    Labels divide and they incite. When one adds them to the conversation, reason and logic go out the window. There is no longer any need for discussion after one has been labeled. The history of the Holocaust has been well-documented and the stories told countless times, but because Jews were killed, some will always deny. There has been barbaric, human rights violations throughout our worlds history and someone is always there to deny.

    Jews, Christians, Muslims, Rwandans, Somalians, Persians and Bosnians have all been victims and perpetrators and there have been the diners on all sides because we are all divided by labels.

    I admire your writing skills and your ability to state your case in a clear manner. You are intelligent and talented and, if I ever met you, I would no doubt like you. But the difference between your post and some from Larry Johnson is important. He is discussing the tactical errors made by the IDF and why a large part of our world believes the brutality must end on BOTH sides.

    It is crucial to our future this be settled with good faith from Israel and Hamas. If America continues to blindly support whatever action Israel chooses to take in Palestine, we will not be in a position to pressure Arab countries to withdraw their support of Hamas and war will be endless or will only end when the last Israeli and Palestinian is dead.

    • ces

      Thank you.

  • WildChild

    Labeling people anti-Semite is the lazy mans way out of the debate. Why burden yourself with thinking when instead you can substitute one hyphenated word? It’s so much easier.

    • elise

      The Age of Reason is gone, Wildchild. Will we ever be able to resolve the problems when emotion overwhelms reason?

      • WildChild

        reason and emotion travel thought the same centers of the brain and are inextricably linked. What we are seeing isn’t emotion nor is it reason. Its hysteria.

        • elise

          Then there is no hope and this conflict will continue until peace isn’t possible for any of us. I can’t help but believe governments encourage this raw emotion for their own end, but I’m damned if I can understand what they hope to gain. If it is simply a feud over land, reason should prevail and we would expect both sides to sit down and compromise. If the goal is to prove to each other and the world military superiority or bravery, it is silly for either side to think they can prevail because a little knowledge of history should prove all you get from that is a lot of dead soldiers and civilians. The ratio of civilian to military casualties gets larger as technology advances. Body counts in Palestine will only widen the war beyond the borders. No win for anyone. If the reason for this conflict is the Israeli election, that is truly immoral and if it is Hamas hoping to garner more support from other Arab countries, that is equally immoral.

          • WildChild

            Israel doesn’t want to give up the West Bank. I don’t think they really care about Gaza that much. Gaza has turned into a shit hole. It’s over populated and under resourced. The prize is the west bank and the Israeli’s want it. even though they built the wall they are still building suburbia in the west bank and are still moving Israeli’s in. Th isn’t the behavior of a people who have made the strategic decision t move toward a two state solution. As a matter of fact it’s the behavior of a people who have decided to do just the opposite. Gaza is nothing more then part of the larger deception plan. It draws attention away from the continuing colonization of the west bank. If we let this travesty continue, one day Gaza will be all that’s left of the two state solution. It’ll make a great place to deport all the west bank palestinians when they can’t be compressed anymore and lash out that one last time.

            • elise

              I have also read of the continuing efforts to put more settlements in the West Bank and bulldozing Palestinian homes to make room. When the US began the Westward expansion it was called Manifest Destiny and it didn’t stop until they reached the Pacific. How far will Israel go? I’m going to be now. Thanks for listening, WildChild. Have a good night.

  • basil

    Here is an excellent article from, of all places, the new york post.

    By Ralph Peters.

    Excerpt;

    Israel hasn’t killed a single civilian in the Gaza Strip. Over a hundred civilians have died, and Israeli bombs or shells may have ended their lives. But Israel didn’t kill them.
    Hamas did.
    It’s time to smash the lies. The lies of Hamas. The UN lies. And the save-the-terrorists lies of the global media.
    There is no moral equivalence between Hamas terrorists and Israeli soldiers. There is no gray area. There is no point in negotiations.
    Hamas is a Jew-killing machine. It exists to destroy Israel. What is there to negotiate?
    When Hamas can’t kill Jews, it’s perfectly willing to drive Palestinian civilians into the line of fire – old men, women and children. Hamas herds the innocent into “shelters,” then draws Israeli fire on them. And the headline-greedy media cheer them on.
    Hamas isn’t fighting for political goals. “Brokered agreements” are purely means to an end. And the envisioned end is the complete destruction of Israel in the name of a terrorist god. Safe in hidden bunkers or in Damascus, the Hamas leadership is willing to watch an unlimited number of civilians and even street-level terrorists die.
    More at;

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_demons_of_gaza_149549.htm

  • http://jaybfl.blogspot.com/ jay

    All I see with the conflict is the same old basis of war through the ages…..religion. I wouldn’t care if they annihilated each other but they seem intent on taking everybody around them down as well. I guess that makes me antisemitic, especially since all parties are Semites, not just the Israelis.

  • Linda C.

    The issue is always claiming that Israel is a secular state then any criticism of Israel’s governmental policies becomes anti-semetic.

    The Palestinian people have limited choices either by their own design or chance. They had a choice between “talks of peace without peace and corruption versus the promise of ending corruption and no peace”. They have been herded into a chicken coup for 60 years. There are those who want a Palestinian Islamic fascists state and those who want to re-create the kingdom of David using the methods of Joshua. As long as both of these fanatics get tacit support from their sponsors, there will never be peace.

    • standard

      Do you know what you are talking about?

      The Israelis have been on their hands and knees trying to get these simians to curtail the war mongering.

      They even gave back Gaza, knowing it could be turned on them, as is being done right now.

      Had Palestine chosen peace, they would be a prosperous nation right now. This nation chose war and destruction.

  • basil

    Case in point;

    I just saw video from a pro-Palestinian rally in San Franciso and the speaker was saying:

    “It’s time to open the gates of jihad.”

  • Andy

    Well said Bud White. Thank you for your intelligent, well researched, thoughtful accurate and courageous post. One of the best posts I have
    read on the current situation.

    Joseph Cannon is a poor and pathetic blogger that craves attention like a teenager… The image of a brow shirt w/the Magen David in lieu of the Swastika is shameful and irresponsible. Typical sensationalism of those who are not very smart nor have anything to add or to say to the discussion.

    I strongly recommend Bernard-Henri Levy’s (french philosopher and humanist, Jewish of Algerian descent) recent article:

    “Liberate the Palestinians from Hamas”
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f555be7f-dd65-4941-bfa7-a5197b5e8bbe

    as well as a sobering and scary survey of the recent wave of anti-semitism by Mark Steyn: The ‘oldest hatred’ lives, from Gaza to Florida”
    Jew-hating pathologies ultimately harm the Jew-hater, too.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hamas-gaza-jewish-2277487-muslims-state#

  • standard

    Bud & Larry. Take a look at the NYT today. Hamas has put their central control under a hospital. They have booby trapped all of Gaza. making human shields out of civilians.

    All to cater to the bleeding liberal press.

    Hamas WANTS civilian casualties. They know that fooling the press achieves their end of annihilating Israel

    All of Gaza has been set up as a war machine. Israel is riddled with underground tunnels.

    Israel has the choice of defending its people, or catering to the righteous, duped media.

    After Israel gave back Gaza, the Palestinian civilians elected Hamas, a war faction devoted to the destruction of Israel.

    War and destruction is their own choice.

  • mountainaires

    I’m so sick of the anti-semitism card. I reject it completely. MANY Jews reject Israeli policies against the Palestinians. The state of Israel has the right to institute bigoted policies in Israel; but that doesn’t make them moral. Jews and Palestinians forbidden to marry, second-class and separate education systems for Palestinians living in Israel. Laws preventing Palestinians from owning land or property. These are just a few examples of the “anti-semitism” of the Jewish state toward Palestinians within it’s boundaries. But that’s not all; “anti-semitism” is perpetrated daily by Israel against Palestinians in the Palestinian Territories as well. “Jewish-Only” roads, settlers stealing Palestinian lands, diverting water, blockades and collective imprisonment in Gaza. Destruction of the entire economic system in Gaza.

    It’s outrageous that someone who is outraged by the maltreatment, war crimes, and violations of international law being committed by Israel on a daily basis is trivialized into “anti-semitism.”

    This argument has been used for far too long; it is not a good one for Jews who have suffered real anti-semitism. The truth is, the actions of Israel and the United States just cause real anti-semitism to flourish around the world.

    Ilan Pappe’s The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” Avi Shlaim, The Iron Wall. Amira Haas: Drinking the Sea at Gaza.” Countless books written to inform the world about crimes committed against Palestinians by the Israeli government. Countless books written about the land stolen, the jewish-only roads, the settlers violence against Palestinians with impunity,, countless articles–by Israelis in the Israeli press.

    Cannon is simply pointing out that a Shoah once committed against Jews is now being committed by Jews. Cannon is right to do so. Even the Israeli Defense Minister threatened a “Shoah” against Palestinians back in March 2008.

    http://adamite.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/israels-ultimate-plan-for-gaza/

    It is now happening. No moral person could support what Israel has done over the course of decades in the Palestinian Territories.

    “Limbs And Meat” In The Street

    GAZA: The conflict is having terrible effects on Gaza’s children.
    Ewa Jasiewicz reports

    ‘A boy next to me, he went crazy, he was overwhelmed, he saw the massacre, the street was full of blood, the nails from the shells were as long as your hand’

    http://tinyurl.com/87rtej

    ===

    Israel Rejected Hamas Ceasefire Offer in December

    By Gareth Porter

    Contrary to Israel’s argument that it was forced to launch its air and ground offensive against Gaza in order to stop the firing of rockets into its territory, Hamas proposed in mid-December to return to the original Hamas-Israel ceasefire arrangement, according to a U.S.-based source who has been briefed on the proposal.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21706.htm

    ===

    Wherever I go, I Hear the Same Tired Middle East Comparisons

    By Robert Fisk

    “When does the mandate of victimhood expire?” he asked. “At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe’s Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?”
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21708.htm

    How Israel Brought Gaza To the Brink of Humanitarian Catastrophe

    Israeli Historian, Avi Shlaim, who wrote, The Iron Wall: “Israel is a Rogue State”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine?1

    “It is a great mystery that though the human heart longs for Truth, in which alone it finds liberation and delight, the first reaction of human beings to Truth is one of hostility and fear.” Anthony de Mello

  • LAUREN

    I really don’t think there is anti-semitism on the far left. It’s just that the far left like to root for the underdogs and downtrodden—- People who are bullied and made to live in sub-human conditions.

    • stodgie

      lauren, it probably started off that way. folks with good intentions and all but then the far out excuse anything and blame the other side for all of it crowd got involved.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Bud White, while many agree or disagree with Israel’s current response to Hamas, your article shines a bright light on the twisted reality of those who say Israel should not defend herself.

    I see no contradictions between what you or Mr. Johnson have been saying. Yes Israel should defend itself, yes the “proportional response” should be shown for all it’s blunders on a tactical and strategic level.

    Thanks. The baby carriages show it all.

  • LAUREN

    Read this:

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L9624119.htm

    Well, at least the Israelis did learn how to use a bulldozer to dispose of the bodies… reminds me a LOT of the Nazi’s digging ditches… so, you see…the Israelis DID LEARN something from the Holocaust, how to create one of their own.

    • stodgie

      and lauren, hamas knows what to do with bodies too don’t they? parade them around for the media and to stir up emotions.

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  • http://www.r4cards.co.za/ r4 revolution

    I have read your article and agree with you that Israel is right to attack Hamas in Gaza. The Palestinians are wrong to have elected Hamas as their leaders.They are doing samefull things liketerrorism, the numerous murders, suicide bombers, rockets launched at innocent Israeli citizens, and kidnapping of IDF soldiers.

  • jackumup

    Kikesters have no business and do not have a right to live in palestine. The palestinians have every right to exterminate them with any means necessary

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