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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46592</link>
		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if they&#039;d just pack up and &lt;em&gt;go home&lt;/em&gt;!  They&#039;re still filming. (I live in the neighborhood of their &#039;studio&#039;. They&#039;re a traffic hazard.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if they&#8217;d just pack up and <em>go home</em>!  They&#8217;re still filming. (I live in the neighborhood of their &#8216;studio&#8217;. They&#8217;re a traffic hazard.)</p>
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		<title>By: otherlisa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46442</link>
		<dc:creator>otherlisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I tried to post a link to a youtube thing on the strike and I think the spam filter ate it. I&#039;ll try a straight version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ55Ir2jCxk&amp;eurl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I tried to post a link to a youtube thing on the strike and I think the spam filter ate it. I&#8217;ll try a straight version:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ55Ir2jCxk&#038;eurl" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ55Ir2jCxk&#038;eurl</a></p>
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		<title>By: otherlisa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46426</link>
		<dc:creator>otherlisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I really don&#039;t know. Because a lot of my work deals with features and there are a lot of features in the pipeline, it will take a while before it impacts my area. We also have a lot of work to do that does not relate to the flow of production. But you never know, and I never expect certainty. 

This strike has already affected a lot of incomes. All of the overhead deals have been shuttered, putting quite a few assistants and development people out of work as of yesterday. 

This is going to hurt a lot of people, and that just sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I really don&#8217;t know. Because a lot of my work deals with features and there are a lot of features in the pipeline, it will take a while before it impacts my area. We also have a lot of work to do that does not relate to the flow of production. But you never know, and I never expect certainty. </p>
<p>This strike has already affected a lot of incomes. All of the overhead deals have been shuttered, putting quite a few assistants and development people out of work as of yesterday. </p>
<p>This is going to hurt a lot of people, and that just sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: otherlisa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46421</link>
		<dc:creator>otherlisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Chris, you&#039;ve misunderstood my point and also my position in the industry. I work in a creative/development/production area (and that&#039;s as much as I&#039;m willing to say). I work directly with executives and with productions. 

I also know quite a lot of craft and union people. In my experience they are professional and do a great job. I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s universal. But what is wrong with workers in a wealthy industry like film/TV being well-paid for what they do? What&#039;s wrong with middle-class wages for laborers? 

My point is that the middle class and even upper middle class  (which would be most of the WGA members) are under pressure and that creative people like writers deserve a share of the profit from their work. And that, yes, income disparity has reached a point where it seriously threatens democracy. Someone have the stat about how much wealth the richest 300,000 make in this country versus the lowest 150 million? It&#039;s on my desk at work. I&#039;ll find it on Monday. 

I&#039;ll restate it: when Hollywood pays a single individual over 28 million dollars in compensation annually, it is beyond hypocritical to plead poverty when others ask for a piece.

I quite understand that showrunners are contractually obligated to produce their shows and that most of them are also WGA members. They made a choice and went with their WGA affiliation. I wouldn&#039;t want to be in their position. 

You might want to check out http://mutantpoodle.com - this is a blog written by a friend of mine who is a former high level studio finance guy - he knows all about the numbers and has a strong opinion about the strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Chris, you&#8217;ve misunderstood my point and also my position in the industry. I work in a creative/development/production area (and that&#8217;s as much as I&#8217;m willing to say). I work directly with executives and with productions. </p>
<p>I also know quite a lot of craft and union people. In my experience they are professional and do a great job. I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s universal. But what is wrong with workers in a wealthy industry like film/TV being well-paid for what they do? What&#8217;s wrong with middle-class wages for laborers? </p>
<p>My point is that the middle class and even upper middle class  (which would be most of the WGA members) are under pressure and that creative people like writers deserve a share of the profit from their work. And that, yes, income disparity has reached a point where it seriously threatens democracy. Someone have the stat about how much wealth the richest 300,000 make in this country versus the lowest 150 million? It&#8217;s on my desk at work. I&#8217;ll find it on Monday. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll restate it: when Hollywood pays a single individual over 28 million dollars in compensation annually, it is beyond hypocritical to plead poverty when others ask for a piece.</p>
<p>I quite understand that showrunners are contractually obligated to produce their shows and that most of them are also WGA members. They made a choice and went with their WGA affiliation. I wouldn&#8217;t want to be in their position. </p>
<p>You might want to check out <a href="http://mutantpoodle.com" rel="nofollow">http://mutantpoodle.com</a> &#8211; this is a blog written by a friend of mine who is a former high level studio finance guy &#8211; he knows all about the numbers and has a strong opinion about the strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46255</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s not already clear, let me be explicit.

This strike is going to hurt my livelihood. Although it hasn&#039;t happened yet, business will decline, and I will in accordance with a reduced workload start working a reduced week.

So forgive my lack of sympathy.

Other Lisa, how will this affect your job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s not already clear, let me be explicit.</p>
<p>This strike is going to hurt my livelihood. Although it hasn&#8217;t happened yet, business will decline, and I will in accordance with a reduced workload start working a reduced week.</p>
<p>So forgive my lack of sympathy.</p>
<p>Other Lisa, how will this affect your job?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46250</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably supplement the comments I&#039;ve made here and am about to make with an explanation of what I do for a living. I work for a company that rents video and computer equipment to movie productions. If you and I sat down to watch TV or went to a movie, I&#039;d constantly be saying &quot;yeah, that&#039;s one of ours&quot; at inappropriate times.

Me, I repair the stuff. That&#039;s it. That&#039;s my job. I&#039;m non-union.

Although I don&#039;t work for Paramount, we are housed on the lot, as an &quot;on-lot vendor&quot; in Paramount&#039;s terminology, in the basement under one of Paramount&#039;s many stages. Dr Phil shoots his shit upstairs.

So, I get to meet many people, nearly all of whom make more money than me by virtue of the fact that they belong to some union or other. Most of them, and this is opinion mind you, are not worth the money they are paid. That&#039;s unions for ya.

That said, the sympathy, if any, for the WGA exists entirely off-lot, and in the minds of those who are distant enough from the nuts-and-bolts business of making movies as Other Lisa is.

Other Lisa, you are a good person, and your comments here are among my favorites, but characterizing writers as overworked proles under the spiked boot of capitalism is just silly-- You know better than this.

The WGA is shooting itself in the foot, big time.

It&#039;s not that I have no sympathy for them. It&#039;s just that I know for a fact that there isn&#039;t a way out of this for them except to shut up and negotiate the goddam contract to the best of their abilities, with people at table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably supplement the comments I&#8217;ve made here and am about to make with an explanation of what I do for a living. I work for a company that rents video and computer equipment to movie productions. If you and I sat down to watch TV or went to a movie, I&#8217;d constantly be saying &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s one of ours&#8221; at inappropriate times.</p>
<p>Me, I repair the stuff. That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s my job. I&#8217;m non-union.</p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t work for Paramount, we are housed on the lot, as an &#8220;on-lot vendor&#8221; in Paramount&#8217;s terminology, in the basement under one of Paramount&#8217;s many stages. Dr Phil shoots his shit upstairs.</p>
<p>So, I get to meet many people, nearly all of whom make more money than me by virtue of the fact that they belong to some union or other. Most of them, and this is opinion mind you, are not worth the money they are paid. That&#8217;s unions for ya.</p>
<p>That said, the sympathy, if any, for the WGA exists entirely off-lot, and in the minds of those who are distant enough from the nuts-and-bolts business of making movies as Other Lisa is.</p>
<p>Other Lisa, you are a good person, and your comments here are among my favorites, but characterizing writers as overworked proles under the spiked boot of capitalism is just silly&#8211; You know better than this.</p>
<p>The WGA is shooting itself in the foot, big time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I have no sympathy for them. It&#8217;s just that I know for a fact that there isn&#8217;t a way out of this for them except to shut up and negotiate the goddam contract to the best of their abilities, with people at table.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46222</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other Lisa writes: &lt;i&gt;Actually I should say that I don’t know what the contractual obligations of the Teamsters are and how that affects their ability to strike in solidarity (I’m not an HR/labor relations person). But I am pretty confident in saying that the rank and file support this strike.&lt;/i&gt;

Like any other union member, Teamsters are obligated by contract to do their job. But, like any other union member, be it DGA, Teamster, WGA, or what-have-you, as individuals, they are not contractually forbidden to cease work in support of a strike by another union.

Is your head spinning yet?

Incidentally, I most emphatically do not agree with your characterization of the sympathies of Teamsters. I deal with them every day on the Paramount lot, and they want the strike over, sure, but not a single one I&#039;ve talked to commiserates with the WGA.

Do like honking the horn, though, and perhaps you have mistaken that as assent. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Lisa writes: <i>Actually I should say that I don’t know what the contractual obligations of the Teamsters are and how that affects their ability to strike in solidarity (I’m not an HR/labor relations person). But I am pretty confident in saying that the rank and file support this strike.</i></p>
<p>Like any other union member, Teamsters are obligated by contract to do their job. But, like any other union member, be it DGA, Teamster, WGA, or what-have-you, as individuals, they are not contractually forbidden to cease work in support of a strike by another union.</p>
<p>Is your head spinning yet?</p>
<p>Incidentally, I most emphatically do not agree with your characterization of the sympathies of Teamsters. I deal with them every day on the Paramount lot, and they want the strike over, sure, but not a single one I&#8217;ve talked to commiserates with the WGA.</p>
<p>Do like honking the horn, though, and perhaps you have mistaken that as assent. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46208</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other Lisa writes: &lt;i&gt;I have often heard it said that if you want to know how “socialized medicine” might work in the United States, check out the US Military. &lt;/i&gt;

No, that&#039;s a medical insurance policy. Poor bastards.

If you want to know how know how “socialized medicine” might work in the United States, check out, oh, I dunno, a North American country which approximates the society and size of the US.

Canada. It&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Lisa writes: <i>I have often heard it said that if you want to know how “socialized medicine” might work in the United States, check out the US Military. </i></p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s a medical insurance policy. Poor bastards.</p>
<p>If you want to know how know how “socialized medicine” might work in the United States, check out, oh, I dunno, a North American country which approximates the society and size of the US.</p>
<p>Canada. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46198</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth pointing out here that the WGA members who are showrunners-- that&#039;s hyphenates like &quot;Producer-Writer&quot; for example, to those outside the industry-- are nevertheless compelled by contract to do the job required of them outside of writing duties. 

It&#039;s kind of a tough call, you know?

The showrunners have been at the forefront in conciliation on this strike, for good reason, obviously, just as was the case in &#039;88 when they threatened to secede from the WGA and make up their own, uh, union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out here that the WGA members who are showrunners&#8211; that&#8217;s hyphenates like &#8220;Producer-Writer&#8221; for example, to those outside the industry&#8211; are nevertheless compelled by contract to do the job required of them outside of writing duties. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of a tough call, you know?</p>
<p>The showrunners have been at the forefront in conciliation on this strike, for good reason, obviously, just as was the case in &#8217;88 when they threatened to secede from the WGA and make up their own, uh, union.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-46179</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoops writes: &lt;i&gt; When you pay 20.00 for a DVD.. exactly 4 cents goes to the writer.
That’s the figures they were talking about on Bob&amp;Tom this morning.
Cheap ass studios. &lt;/i&gt;

What amount, in your opinion, would be fair?

See, that&#039;s the hard part. That&#039;s what they are arguing about. In fact, the WGA pulled its request for an increase in home video residuals off the table-- in favor of arguing for an increase in residuals for downloaded video and streaming video on the the net.

It&#039;s really complicated, and I encourage all inclined to comment to visit the WGA and AMPTP websitess before doing so, to get a handle on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoops writes: <i> When you pay 20.00 for a DVD.. exactly 4 cents goes to the writer.<br />
That’s the figures they were talking about on Bob&amp;Tom this morning.<br />
Cheap ass studios. </i></p>
<p>What amount, in your opinion, would be fair?</p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s the hard part. That&#8217;s what they are arguing about. In fact, the WGA pulled its request for an increase in home video residuals off the table&#8211; in favor of arguing for an increase in residuals for downloaded video and streaming video on the the net.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really complicated, and I encourage all inclined to comment to visit the WGA and AMPTP websitess before doing so, to get a handle on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-45425</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops-Sorry about the blockquote snafu - I was wondering why the button displayed as slash/blockquote. The quote is the top part actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops-Sorry about the blockquote snafu &#8211; I was wondering why the button displayed as slash/blockquote. The quote is the top part actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-45419</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funniest thing is watching some execs drive past the pickets in their Lexii, honking their support.&lt;blockquote&gt;

OMG - can you say that again, more slowly - LEX -EE-I. That would be plural. 

Man, I&#039;m driving a 91 two door Tercel!  Lexi-i! Hahahaha! You made my night! 

Kudos,

Yogi&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest thing is watching some execs drive past the pickets in their Lexii, honking their support.<br />
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<p>OMG &#8211; can you say that again, more slowly &#8211; LEX -EE-I. That would be plural. </p>
<p>Man, I&#8217;m driving a 91 two door Tercel!  Lexi-i! Hahahaha! You made my night! </p>
<p>Kudos,</p>
<p>Yogi</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-45069</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know who was responsible, but someone at Showtime cut &lt;i&gt;Jeremiah&lt;/i&gt;, a wonderful post-apocalyptic science fiction show, and never even showed the last few episodes. You still can&#039;t get the second season on DVD, several years later. If that was Les, too, he has a lot to answer for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who was responsible, but someone at Showtime cut <i>Jeremiah</i>, a wonderful post-apocalyptic science fiction show, and never even showed the last few episodes. You still can&#8217;t get the second season on DVD, several years later. If that was Les, too, he has a lot to answer for.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1045/picket-fences/#comment-45067</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woohoo.  My daughter marched with big, burly Teamsters at the WTO protests in Seattle, and loved those guys.  (btw, for history&#039;s sake: They were the kind of people mostly at the protests, not &quot;anarchists.&quot; The media conspired to destroy the messages that the Teamsters and other unions were trying to send to the world.)

(And i could swear that almost all of the &quot;violent&quot; &quot;anarchists&quot; at the protest were plants.  Since the police stood by and watched them smash windows and didn&#039;t intervene.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woohoo.  My daughter marched with big, burly Teamsters at the WTO protests in Seattle, and loved those guys.  (btw, for history&#8217;s sake: They were the kind of people mostly at the protests, not &#8220;anarchists.&#8221; The media conspired to destroy the messages that the Teamsters and other unions were trying to send to the world.)</p>
<p>(And i could swear that almost all of the &#8220;violent&#8221; &#8220;anarchists&#8221; at the protest were plants.  Since the police stood by and watched them smash windows and didn&#8217;t intervene.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, I&#039;m sure. I was just quoting the base salary, which was, incredibly, a big pay cut. That pay cut alone could have paid for at least ten professional employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, I&#8217;m sure. I was just quoting the base salary, which was, incredibly, a big pay cut. That pay cut alone could have paid for at least ten professional employees.</p>
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