What happens is all important and it is that which is devoid of reason, honour and morality. Though your arguments are compelling, I wonder if anyone is listening in corridors of power. The voice of sanity has become a hollow echo of what could have been.

Isreal creates the bogy man. It is the figment of her imagination. Since creation of Isreal in the modern time, Iran has used back doord to support Israel. Even today, Israel owes Iranian people over 2.5 bilion dollars and some interests.

st michael- I agree about the need to be free from AIPACS evil clutches, but the there is no one part of the government that is good as opposed to another. they are all beaurocrats unaccounatable to the things you and I are accountable for at our jobs. things like competency and , yes, turning a profit. all the politicians and pundits should go get real jobs.

and don’t tell me about “we need the government for…” the government is simply spending OUR money. WE are paying for the things we have not them. they are just spending it usually in the most insane mismanaged way possible like fighting countries that arne’t a threat to us and subsidizing thing s we don’t use.

America, please come back home.

I said earlier: “Should we spend our national resources in these areas, rather than as bribe money to some ungrateful nations? Charity starts at home, our own USA, then to the nearest neighbor Mexico.

Our nation has paid a huge price following AIPAC, the Israeli Lobby, going to war in Iraq. Our representative should hear our people, America First, please.

We have great national problems: large educational loans, lack of technical professional jobs (Who can make a living on working at fast food places?), losing our industrial base, unmaintained infrastructures. Politicians who only can survive if they follow the rules of AIPAC or not get elected! Our printed press, TV and radio being owned by “profit” only corporations, some not American, and healthcare that leave many untreated.

Walk through the back places in our America, poverty, uninsured, and then decide who you are going to vote for.

America, please come back home.

the rest is just stuff. seriously.

and the main reason people are leaving the dems to go over to pauls side is the stalinist groupthink at places like DU and daily kos. it’s no wonder that dems have blown it already with a base that behaves like that.

paul and kucinich voted AGAINST the war. what more information do you need? Why would you even consider voting for someone who voted us into this quagmire?

mudkitty- yes AIPAC is by their own admission largely unopposed in lobbying for foreign policy stuff. look at any of their press releases from the time of the iraq war, they read like a bush speech.

Whatever anyones interprettation of the history of that region, israels problems are israels. ours are ours and they are not the same.

st michael traveler- “The modern Zionist is not any different than our own occupation of the Native American land. It has happened!”

we fought the native americans for hundreds of years. I doubt anyone here begrudges them for wanting to hold on to their land. if they decided to mount another war we would have to fight them once again. law of the jungle is the only law that counts. the israeli “pilgrims” are surrounded by abillion angry “native americans”. our ancestors wouldn’t have survived those odds and i seriously doubt the israelis will.

What can be done now? Peace conference on November 27 conference in Annapolis has already started with contentious issues. Rifts between Israel and Palestinians ahead of a US peace meeting are such that the sides can’t even agree on what to call their joint declaration. The conference has excluded Iran; this is a great strategic mistake!

I did not mean to indicate that the present insecurity of Israeli people is a consequence of two thousand year old grudge. Israeli people, as Jewish people feel insecure because of their experience throughout the history where ever they have lived. They have migrated or forced to migrate in every corner of the glob. Perhaps, they are not unique in this aspect. Some Israelis argue that they have been discriminated against in every country. This point is a questionable argument. They have stood out of the main stream societies to keep their Jewish identies. This is not true of many other people! In Israel marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew is not recognized.

If any group of people deserves special rights, should be the Native Americans.

Non-Hebrew Semitic people have not always been called Arabs. The regional population is a mixture of Aryan (Iranian, Greeks, Romans, French and Africans)-Semitic people, mixing throughout the history. “European Zionist colonization of Palestine” has been indicated as a reward for Jewish support against Germany during the World War II. Stalin offered Zionist a homeland in Balkans, but based on their history, they wanted the present land.

What can be done now? Peace conference on November 27 conference in Annapolis has already started with a continuous issues. Rifts between Israel and Palestinians ahead of a US peace meeting are such that the sides can’t even agree on what to call their joint declaration. The conference has excluded Iran; this is a great strategic mistake!

Excellent point. I have said many times that as an Italian with Roman roots, I have more right to live in Palestine, along with other Mediterranean peoples, than do Jews from Eastern Europe and especially American Jews from Eastern Europe, who have no connection, whatsoever, to the land.

You’re right. I am acting ignorant…..

by letting you goad me into responding to you in kind. You’ve been nothing if not obnoxious and rude to me in direct responses to anything I’ve posted. Since you react this way to most anyone who supports Ron Paul, I suppose I shouldn’t take it personally. Actually, it’s more correct to say you react this way to anyone who supports Ron Paul AND addresses me by name. So maybe it is personal. I’m really sorry if some other guy named Harold screwed you over royally at some point in your life and now the name makes you crazy when you see it or hear it. But what really makes it so damn hard to resist goading you right back is the maddening fact that you don’t know your ass from your elbow in regard to Dr. Paul’s positions on issues. But I’m reverting already aren’t I ?

Regarding the Constitution, I’m well aware that the right to levy taxes is addressed in the actual text of the document. However, it’s not till we get to the 16 th amendment that levying a tax on income comes into play.

And this is the tax Ron Paul talks about doing away with. He admits it may not be possible to do away with it entirely, but it can at least be seriously reduced. He also clearly states that the only way to do away with an income tax is to seriously cut spending first. He has his targets, none of which are current programs like social security and medicare which people are dependant on. He does want to come up with alternatives to both of these.

Which leads nicely right into “promote the general welfare”. Back in the days the Constitution was written, welfare obviously did not mean food stamps and section 8 housing. What’s your fixation on promote the general welfare and why do you feel it’s threatened? Ron Paul has stated over and over that he doesn’t want to put people in the street or take away programs that people are dependant on. What’s needed is a transformation period, where bloated government programs will be pared down and expenses thereby cut.

In support of an earlier post citing a great answer to the question what’s the greatest moral challenge facing America today, here’s a link to the New Hampshire debate. It’s edited down to the Q&A of Dr. Paul and runs just under 7 minutes. You may not care to watch it, but what do you have to lose?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BjK1QqDOo