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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10890/market-musings-on-a-monday/#comment-1115883</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cath...Best of luck with it. I hope those questions help frame an overall financial review so that your investment decisions become an extension of that.

We will continue to provide insights on the economy and markets and please NEVER hesitate to ask anything. Remember, there are no bad questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cath&#8230;Best of luck with it. I hope those questions help frame an overall financial review so that your investment decisions become an extension of that.</p>
<p>We will continue to provide insights on the economy and markets and please NEVER hesitate to ask anything. Remember, there are no bad questions.</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD
Thanks so much for repsonding. The only asset I have is my home which I bought 15 years ago. We drive what are considered old cars now(2000, late 90&#039;s models and which are paid for). We have no savings cushion but meet our montly expenses with no problem presently. We have 5 young adult children, 2 still in college that still live at home. The other 3 are married and/or living on their own but they have needed our help financially at times for car repairs, and emergency needs, etc. I do have a retiremnt fund through my work but my husband does not but just began that about 2 years ago. I am not losing sleep about this but when I saw the latest quarterly statement I got a little worried. Thanks for the info and will call advisor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD<br />
Thanks so much for repsonding. The only asset I have is my home which I bought 15 years ago. We drive what are considered old cars now(2000, late 90&#8242;s models and which are paid for). We have no savings cushion but meet our montly expenses with no problem presently. We have 5 young adult children, 2 still in college that still live at home. The other 3 are married and/or living on their own but they have needed our help financially at times for car repairs, and emergency needs, etc. I do have a retiremnt fund through my work but my husband does not but just began that about 2 years ago. I am not losing sleep about this but when I saw the latest quarterly statement I got a little worried. Thanks for the info and will call advisor.</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fiscalliberal, &quot;however the fraud needs to be recognized &amp; accounted for in a punitive fashion...&quot;On the last LD thread I left a comment about WIKI having a good synopsis of CDS &amp; tried to call attention to the Commodity Modernization Act of 2001 (known as the &quot;Enron loophole&quot;) (the dynamic duo of Phil Graham &amp; Bill Clinton teaming up again for more deregulation.) First they repeal Glass-Steagal, next they pass the Financial Services Modernization Act 1999, then they deregulated CDS &amp; never forget the CRA (Clinton&#039;s justification for all the rest) There&#039;re aren&#039;t going to be any meaningful prosecutions! Bush will be blamed cause the chickens came home to roost on his watch, plus he didn&#039;t do a damn thing to correct Clinton/Graham&#039;s madness + he peed away a fortune in Iraq. But where&#039;s the &quot;fraud&quot;? they made it all legal!!!! LD, apologies, as this thread is suppose to be about insurance. I just have a difficult time enduring  uninformed pleas for justice. Certainly Charlie Gasparino (CNBC) &amp; I cannot be the only people that grasp the sequence &amp; severity of what came down &amp; who brought it down. The sheeple in this country were so fixated on Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, et al, no one paid a damn bit of attention to the massive deregulation going on in financials. Scandals always provide cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fiscalliberal, &#8220;however the fraud needs to be recognized &amp; accounted for in a punitive fashion&#8230;&#8221;On the last LD thread I left a comment about WIKI having a good synopsis of CDS &amp; tried to call attention to the Commodity Modernization Act of 2001 (known as the &#8220;Enron loophole&#8221;) (the dynamic duo of Phil Graham &amp; Bill Clinton teaming up again for more deregulation.) First they repeal Glass-Steagal, next they pass the Financial Services Modernization Act 1999, then they deregulated CDS &amp; never forget the CRA (Clinton&#8217;s justification for all the rest) There&#8217;re aren&#8217;t going to be any meaningful prosecutions! Bush will be blamed cause the chickens came home to roost on his watch, plus he didn&#8217;t do a damn thing to correct Clinton/Graham&#8217;s madness + he peed away a fortune in Iraq. But where&#8217;s the &#8220;fraud&#8221;? they made it all legal!!!! LD, apologies, as this thread is suppose to be about insurance. I just have a difficult time enduring  uninformed pleas for justice. Certainly Charlie Gasparino (CNBC) &amp; I cannot be the only people that grasp the sequence &amp; severity of what came down &amp; who brought it down. The sheeple in this country were so fixated on Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, et al, no one paid a damn bit of attention to the massive deregulation going on in financials. Scandals always provide cover.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cath,

Not knowing your personal situation, but based upon what you share I would offer the following points:

1. What are your other assets and liabilities?

2. Are you secure in meeting your monthly expenses based upon your employment? 

3. Do you have a cushion in savings away from these funds in case of emergencies, such as job loss, health situations and the like?

4. What is your age and time horizon for employment?

5. Are you building a retirment fund elsewhere?

6. What is your risk profile?

7. Are you losing sleep over these funds and their returns? I will say that if you have lost 10k on an initial investment of 60k, then that 16% loss over the last two quarters is not bad and reflective of what is most likely a balanced portfolio (balanced meaning split probably between equities which were down app 35-40%, bonds that were down anywhere from 0-20%, and some short term funds that were probably flat).

8. How has the portfolio done in the first ten days of this year. If it is balanced it may actually be up 1-2% because certain parts of the bond market have been improving.

9. Ultimately you need to address your short term needs along with your long term goals in the context of your comfort with risk.

Your advisor should be able to address all of these questions with you so that the answer with what to do and how to do it becomes more apparent. 

Does this make sense as opposed to making a quick knee jerk reaction? 

Let me know what you think and I will try to provide more insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cath,</p>
<p>Not knowing your personal situation, but based upon what you share I would offer the following points:</p>
<p>1. What are your other assets and liabilities?</p>
<p>2. Are you secure in meeting your monthly expenses based upon your employment? </p>
<p>3. Do you have a cushion in savings away from these funds in case of emergencies, such as job loss, health situations and the like?</p>
<p>4. What is your age and time horizon for employment?</p>
<p>5. Are you building a retirment fund elsewhere?</p>
<p>6. What is your risk profile?</p>
<p>7. Are you losing sleep over these funds and their returns? I will say that if you have lost 10k on an initial investment of 60k, then that 16% loss over the last two quarters is not bad and reflective of what is most likely a balanced portfolio (balanced meaning split probably between equities which were down app 35-40%, bonds that were down anywhere from 0-20%, and some short term funds that were probably flat).</p>
<p>8. How has the portfolio done in the first ten days of this year. If it is balanced it may actually be up 1-2% because certain parts of the bond market have been improving.</p>
<p>9. Ultimately you need to address your short term needs along with your long term goals in the context of your comfort with risk.</p>
<p>Your advisor should be able to address all of these questions with you so that the answer with what to do and how to do it becomes more apparent. </p>
<p>Does this make sense as opposed to making a quick knee jerk reaction? </p>
<p>Let me know what you think and I will try to provide more insights.</p>
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		<title>By: getfitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>getfitnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, LD. Glad to know about the podcast. I&#039;ll be able to listen now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, LD. Glad to know about the podcast. I&#8217;ll be able to listen now.</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10890/market-musings-on-a-monday/#comment-1115805</link>
		<dc:creator>cathnealon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD
I don&#039;t know if this thread is for people like me, not savvy at all about finances but here goes. We invested with a firm about a year and a half ago that was recommended by my sister-in-law. We invested a small amount (probably to most people not over 60,000). Well, it&#039;s diversified and we have lost about 10 grand in the past 2 quarters. My investor who is very nice says that he&#039;s an optimist, to hang in there that the new administration is going to cut taxes, create jobs and will flood the economy with what is needed so people don&#039;t lose all of their investment. I told him that is our money gets down to 0 then it&#039;s all over. He said it won&#039;t get down to 0 because it&#039;s diversified. I am a average clerical hospital worker who  really can&#039;t afford to lose any more of this money. Should I exit now and just put it under a mattress or savings account?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD<br />
I don&#8217;t know if this thread is for people like me, not savvy at all about finances but here goes. We invested with a firm about a year and a half ago that was recommended by my sister-in-law. We invested a small amount (probably to most people not over 60,000). Well, it&#8217;s diversified and we have lost about 10 grand in the past 2 quarters. My investor who is very nice says that he&#8217;s an optimist, to hang in there that the new administration is going to cut taxes, create jobs and will flood the economy with what is needed so people don&#8217;t lose all of their investment. I told him that is our money gets down to 0 then it&#8217;s all over. He said it won&#8217;t get down to 0 because it&#8217;s diversified. I am a average clerical hospital worker who  really can&#8217;t afford to lose any more of this money. Should I exit now and just put it under a mattress or savings account?</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jefferson had a strong dislike and suspicion of the Banking Industry. I don&#039;t think that ever changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefferson had a strong dislike and suspicion of the Banking Industry. I don&#8217;t think that ever changed.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiscal....thanks for your insights. Always deeply appreciated. I need to review the Fed&#039;s website for Bernanke&#039;s commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiscal&#8230;.thanks for your insights. Always deeply appreciated. I need to review the Fed&#8217;s website for Bernanke&#8217;s commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie....you are ALWAYS welcome on my posts!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie&#8230;.you are ALWAYS welcome on my posts!!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, and a wonderful analogy. How many of us, if we screw up our jobs get a bailout and no accountability? Yet the accepted solution is to pour trillions into the top of the food chain and hope it trickles down on the real economy. The excuse has been to make loans available (CNBC always claims &quot;to meet payrolls&quot;), even though the bailout money didn&#039;t escape the finance world, and now the problem is that no one is left strong enough to be borrowing and expanding business. Now government will do a top-down, command stimulus, which will most likely wind up being the biggest pork-fest since the Medicare bill.

Of all the people who were supposed to &quot;know&quot; money and understand the economy, none have been given a bigger free pass than the Fed itself. That&#039;s what should be nationalized. As a private entity, it has sacrificed national well-being for private profit and this peasant wants their heads on pikes.

Oops, sorry LD. Here I am preaching revolution again in your thread! But speaking of pikes, that judge was completely wrong about Madoff posing no threat to the public. His freedom under these circumstances is an affront to all the people in this country who expect that WE live under the rule of law, and if WE stole $50B, WE KNOW our arses would be in the slammer. The public perception of the state of corruption and decay continues to grow. All that liquidity jammed into the treasury phone booth doesn&#039;t want to come out until that changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, and a wonderful analogy. How many of us, if we screw up our jobs get a bailout and no accountability? Yet the accepted solution is to pour trillions into the top of the food chain and hope it trickles down on the real economy. The excuse has been to make loans available (CNBC always claims &#8220;to meet payrolls&#8221;), even though the bailout money didn&#8217;t escape the finance world, and now the problem is that no one is left strong enough to be borrowing and expanding business. Now government will do a top-down, command stimulus, which will most likely wind up being the biggest pork-fest since the Medicare bill.</p>
<p>Of all the people who were supposed to &#8220;know&#8221; money and understand the economy, none have been given a bigger free pass than the Fed itself. That&#8217;s what should be nationalized. As a private entity, it has sacrificed national well-being for private profit and this peasant wants their heads on pikes.</p>
<p>Oops, sorry LD. Here I am preaching revolution again in your thread! But speaking of pikes, that judge was completely wrong about Madoff posing no threat to the public. His freedom under these circumstances is an affront to all the people in this country who expect that WE live under the rule of law, and if WE stole $50B, WE KNOW our arses would be in the slammer. The public perception of the state of corruption and decay continues to grow. All that liquidity jammed into the treasury phone booth doesn&#8217;t want to come out until that changes.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RGE Monitor - 2009 U.S. Economic Outlook
 
RGE Lead Analysts &#124; Jan 13, 2009 
 
http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/255009/rge_monitor_-_2009_us_economic_outlook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RGE Monitor &#8211; 2009 U.S. Economic Outlook</p>
<p>RGE Lead Analysts | Jan 13, 2009 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/255009/rge_monitor_-_2009_us_economic_outlook" rel="nofollow">http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/255009/rge_monitor_-_2009_us_economic_outlook</a></p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD - The Bernanke speach is available on the Federal Reserve website. I will be interested in your analysis and conclusions. As I listened to it there was a lot of financial jargon which needs to be interpreted. Especially the term international currency swaps and how that affects us.

Regarding your current tome, I think we need to come to the understanding that there are ups and downs and a firm should not necessarily be punished for them. 
What we need to concentrate on (and punish) is the fraud that exists in the financial industry. As simple example is those mortgage loan officers and borrowing applicants who misrepresented their financil positions with stated and not verified income. That extends to banks that have vast Special Purpose Entities designed to take money off the bank balance sheet minimizing their need for adequate reserves. These need to be examined for fraud or incompetence. The result is the same, however the fraud needs to be recognized and accounted for in a punitive fashion so the free market lesson is learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD &#8211; The Bernanke speach is available on the Federal Reserve website. I will be interested in your analysis and conclusions. As I listened to it there was a lot of financial jargon which needs to be interpreted. Especially the term international currency swaps and how that affects us.</p>
<p>Regarding your current tome, I think we need to come to the understanding that there are ups and downs and a firm should not necessarily be punished for them.<br />
What we need to concentrate on (and punish) is the fraud that exists in the financial industry. As simple example is those mortgage loan officers and borrowing applicants who misrepresented their financil positions with stated and not verified income. That extends to banks that have vast Special Purpose Entities designed to take money off the bank balance sheet minimizing their need for adequate reserves. These need to be examined for fraud or incompetence. The result is the same, however the fraud needs to be recognized and accounted for in a punitive fashion so the free market lesson is learned.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Linda too</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Linda too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another informative piece LD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another informative piece LD.</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Trefoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Trefoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the Revolutionary War, there were many different political factions in play. No different from today. Let me see if I can get this right without oversimplifying.

The Federalists believed that the elite should govern because they knew better than &quot;the rabble&quot; who were too ignorant to govern themselves. The Republicans of that day (Jefferson) believed in agrarian self-sufficiency. They did not support the growth of industry in the United States.

Hamilton (a Federalist) came up with a scheme where the upper classes (merchants and business men) could retain the upper hand without upsetting the masses. Hamilton proposed the formation of the Bank of the United States, and the assumption of state debts.

This action would link &quot;the interest of the State in an intimate connection with those of the rich individuals belonging to it.&quot; (Letter to Robert Morris.)

From the get go, politics and finance have been braided together - in effect, inseparable.

I just read Chernow&#039;s &quot;Alexander Hamilton&quot; and am now reading Schlesinger&#039;s &quot;The Age of Jackson.&quot;

Interesting to see how Jefferson&#039;s idea of an agrarian arcadia changed over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the Revolutionary War, there were many different political factions in play. No different from today. Let me see if I can get this right without oversimplifying.</p>
<p>The Federalists believed that the elite should govern because they knew better than &#8220;the rabble&#8221; who were too ignorant to govern themselves. The Republicans of that day (Jefferson) believed in agrarian self-sufficiency. They did not support the growth of industry in the United States.</p>
<p>Hamilton (a Federalist) came up with a scheme where the upper classes (merchants and business men) could retain the upper hand without upsetting the masses. Hamilton proposed the formation of the Bank of the United States, and the assumption of state debts.</p>
<p>This action would link &#8220;the interest of the State in an intimate connection with those of the rich individuals belonging to it.&#8221; (Letter to Robert Morris.)</p>
<p>From the get go, politics and finance have been braided together &#8211; in effect, inseparable.</p>
<p>I just read Chernow&#8217;s &#8220;Alexander Hamilton&#8221; and am now reading Schlesinger&#8217;s &#8220;The Age of Jackson.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting to see how Jefferson&#8217;s idea of an agrarian arcadia changed over time.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word; why give bailout (taxpayer) money to people who have already shown that they can not be trusted to handle money?  and these are people in the money business, who are supposed to *know* money.  

if there was a similar crisis in any other industry people would demand accountability and major changes.  if bridges and buildings started falling down all over the place, nobody would support blindly throwing billions of dollars at civil engineering firms, without any accountability, or any guarantees that appropriate changes would be made to improve outcomes in the future.  

the whole &quot;financial crisis&quot; right now is nothing more than a massive fraudulent ponzi scheme (in many areas of gov&#039;t and business) being exposed.  the crooks at the top killed the goose that laid their golden egg when they sqeezed those at the bottom too tight.  now they want us to cough up even more money, so that they can continue living in the manner they&#039;ve become accustomed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word; why give bailout (taxpayer) money to people who have already shown that they can not be trusted to handle money?  and these are people in the money business, who are supposed to *know* money.  </p>
<p>if there was a similar crisis in any other industry people would demand accountability and major changes.  if bridges and buildings started falling down all over the place, nobody would support blindly throwing billions of dollars at civil engineering firms, without any accountability, or any guarantees that appropriate changes would be made to improve outcomes in the future.  </p>
<p>the whole &#8220;financial crisis&#8221; right now is nothing more than a massive fraudulent ponzi scheme (in many areas of gov&#8217;t and business) being exposed.  the crooks at the top killed the goose that laid their golden egg when they sqeezed those at the bottom too tight.  now they want us to cough up even more money, so that they can continue living in the manner they&#8217;ve become accustomed to.</p>
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