Comments on: Obama and the American Lefts: Part I http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/ Thu, 24 May 2012 05:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Who Has Really Protected American Consumers and Investors Over the Last 8 Years? : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1119732 Who Has Really Protected American Consumers and Investors Over the Last 8 Years? : NO QUARTER Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:01:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1119732 [...] strategy. Read Sam Copeland’s well-received articles last week, in Parts I and II: “Obama and the American Lefts: Part I” and “Obama and the American Lefts: Part [...] [...] strategy. Read Sam Copeland’s well-received articles last week, in Parts I and II: “Obama and the American Lefts: Part I” and “Obama and the American Lefts: Part [...]

]]> By: CarlyinNJ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116567 CarlyinNJ Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:48:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116567 Good for you IndyRobin...do you want a medal for your great accomplishment. Obama was a fraud and a LIAR and he still is!!! George W. Bush was also a fraud and a liar; if the people had held him accountable we may not now be in the MESS that we are in....so IR please enjoy your self-acclaimed sense of superiority. There are some of us who do not share your new found FAITH in President Elect BH "The Great Deceiver" Obama and I for one intend to hold his feet to the fire (in what ever humble way I can) for the next four years. I feel positive and empowered by that goal...to hold BHO accountable and I will encourage everyone I know to demand some honesty and itegrity from our government. In her role as SOS, I believe that Hillary Clonton will do the same!! Good for you IndyRobin…do you want a medal for your great accomplishment.
Obama was a fraud and a LIAR and he still is!!!
George W. Bush was also a fraud and a liar; if the people had held him accountable we may not now be in the MESS that we are in….so IR please enjoy your self-acclaimed sense of superiority.
There are some of us who do not share your new found FAITH in President Elect BH “The Great Deceiver” Obama and I for one intend to hold his feet to the fire (in what ever humble way I can) for the next four years.
I feel positive and empowered by that goal…to hold BHO accountable and I will encourage everyone I know to demand some honesty and itegrity from our government.
In her role as SOS, I believe that Hillary Clonton will do the same!!

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116313 Ani Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116313 That is a lie -- Bill Clinton never called Obama's campaign or candidacy a fairy tale -- he called his position on the Iraq war a fairy tale re withdrawal -- which it was. That is a lie — Bill Clinton never called Obama’s campaign or candidacy a fairy tale — he called his position on the Iraq war a fairy tale re withdrawal — which it was.

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116312 Ani Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116312 That is a lie -- Bill Clinton never called Obama's campaign or candidacy a fair tale -- he called his position on the Iraq war a fairy tale re withdrawal -- which it was. That is a lie — Bill Clinton never called Obama’s campaign or candidacy a fair tale — he called his position on the Iraq war a fairy tale re withdrawal — which it was.

]]> By: susan h http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116241 susan h Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:24:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116241 It gives me a little comfort to feel that Bill and Hillary will be running things behind the scenes. Americans have become so stupid, they believe all the garbage being fed to them by the media, including anything Barack Obama says. From Day One, I knew Mr. O. was a con artist, manipulator and liar, so cannot believe anything he says or has said. He has proven he is a liar over and over. While I am happy to know he is really more of a centrist, he should not be our president. If he had come forth as an honest candidate (including telling us of his Muslim background and schooling in Indonesia where he learned Islam) and let the American people decide honestly if they wanted him, I would respect him more. If he hadn't cried RACISM every second and guilted people into voting for him, I would find him a more honest candidate. He called himself a "different kind of politician", but he is exactly the same kind as Rod Blagojevich and he has lied lied lied about his ties to Tony Rezko, the convicted felon in Illinois. Also, his continual lies about birth, citizenship, eligibility to be POTUS under our Constitution continue to follow Obama around. Since he has conveniently sealed all his records, Hawaii, Law School, college, applications, etc., I feel he is definitely hiding something from the American people. But never fear, if it is all somehow exposed, he will give one of his speeches explaining why he chose to lie and cover up (isn't he THE CHOSEN ONE) and then the laws will be changed on the spot retroactively to insure he is suddenly made legitimate. The emperor wearing no clothes will suddenly wear a bright new suit!!! Sorry, but I am totally uninmpressed and underwhelmed by this guy, and nothing I have seen so far has changed my mind. If he didn't know what he was doing, he should not have run for president and took it away from Hillary, who actually WON the popular Democratic vote. Hillary takes center stage whereever she goes. Condoleeza as Sec. of State was a non-entity, but Hillary immediately becomes the star of the show and will continue to be the bright light in the new administration. It gives me a little comfort to feel that Bill and Hillary will be running things behind the scenes. Americans have become so stupid, they believe all the garbage being fed to them by the media, including anything Barack Obama says. From Day One, I knew Mr. O. was a con artist, manipulator and liar, so cannot believe anything he says or has said. He has proven he is a liar over and over. While I am happy to know he is really more of a centrist, he should not be our president. If he had come forth as an honest candidate (including telling us of his Muslim background and schooling in Indonesia where he learned Islam) and let the American people decide honestly if they wanted him, I would respect him more. If he hadn’t cried RACISM every second and guilted people into voting for him, I would find him a more honest candidate. He called himself a “different kind of politician”, but he is exactly the same kind as Rod Blagojevich and he has lied lied lied about his ties to Tony Rezko, the convicted felon in Illinois.

Also, his continual lies about birth, citizenship, eligibility to be POTUS under our Constitution continue to follow Obama around. Since he has conveniently sealed all his records, Hawaii, Law School, college, applications, etc., I feel he is definitely hiding something from the American people. But never fear, if it is all somehow exposed, he will give one of his speeches explaining why he chose to lie and cover up (isn’t he THE CHOSEN ONE) and then the laws will be changed on the spot retroactively to insure he is suddenly made legitimate. The emperor wearing no clothes will suddenly wear a bright new suit!!!

Sorry, but I am totally uninmpressed and underwhelmed by this guy, and nothing I have seen so far has changed my mind. If he didn’t know what he was doing, he should not have run for president and took it away from Hillary, who actually WON the popular Democratic vote. Hillary takes center stage whereever she goes. Condoleeza as Sec. of State was a non-entity, but Hillary immediately becomes the star of the show and will continue to be the bright light in the new administration.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116213 tek Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:34:14 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116213 Intelligent people know that Bill Clinton said none of the stuff you site. you've drunk the Kool-aid Sweetie. And even if he did criticize (which he didn't, but you Obots don't understand that because you're too young to remember Bill Clinton and how great he was--that's how the 'Bama camp managed to brainwash you) Obie, it was a political campaign. You hit the opposition in a political campaign--Obama certainly did and he said much worse things than fairy tale of racism. I WATCHED one video where he got up in front of a group African American and said (and I quote) "Hillary is a bitch, she's just a bitch." But you "youth" voters see nothing wrong with calling a former, great Democratic First Lady filthy names. That's the nature of Obama supporters. Or how about asking Chelsea: "How did your mother react when she found your Dad was having an affair with Monica?" Yah, that's real class. Intelligent people know that Bill Clinton said none of the stuff you site. you’ve drunk the Kool-aid Sweetie. And even if he did criticize (which he didn’t, but you Obots don’t understand that because you’re too young to remember Bill Clinton and how great he was–that’s how the ‘Bama camp managed to brainwash you) Obie, it was a political campaign. You hit the opposition in a political campaign–Obama certainly did and he said much worse things than fairy tale of racism. I WATCHED one video where he got up in front of a group African American and said (and I quote) “Hillary is a bitch, she’s just a bitch.” But you “youth” voters see nothing wrong with calling a former, great Democratic First Lady filthy names. That’s the nature of Obama supporters. Or how about asking Chelsea: “How did your mother react when she found your Dad was having an affair with Monica?” Yah, that’s real class.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116211 tek Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:29:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116211 It would freakin' GREAT! It would freakin’ GREAT!

]]> By: ridin' dirty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116176 ridin' dirty Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:42:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116176 Great post, but I have to disagree with one point here: "Now, a funny thing happen to Barack Obama on the way to his inauguration. He became a Clintonista! During the primaries, he ridiculed the economic policies of Bill Clinton. By the end of the general election, he was claiming to bear the mantle of Clinton-nomics. Once elected, he appointed Clintonista after Clintonista to high government office, including the top Clintonista to the top spot – Senator Clinton to be the Secretary of State." I just don't think Hillary is the top "Clintonista". The irony is that she is in reality much less "Clintonian" than Obama, and this probably would have been reflected in her appointments. Since she has a much better grasp of policy, she would have had less need to surround herself with retreads from her husband's administration, and may have risked promoting some fresh faces. And unlike "Post Partisan Obama", I don't think she buys into the need to always defer to the Village's abhorance of partisan bickering at the cost of compromising liberal principles. Great post, but I have to disagree with one point here:

“Now, a funny thing happen to Barack Obama on the way to his inauguration. He became a Clintonista! During the primaries, he ridiculed the economic policies of Bill Clinton. By the end of the general election, he was claiming to bear the mantle of Clinton-nomics. Once elected, he appointed Clintonista after Clintonista to high government office, including the top Clintonista to the top spot – Senator Clinton to be the Secretary of State.”

I just don’t think Hillary is the top “Clintonista”. The irony is that she is in reality much less “Clintonian” than Obama, and this probably would have been reflected in her appointments. Since she has a much better grasp of policy, she would have had less need to surround herself with retreads from her husband’s administration, and may have risked promoting some fresh faces. And unlike “Post Partisan Obama”, I don’t think she buys into the need to always defer to the Village’s abhorance of partisan bickering at the cost of compromising liberal principles.

]]> By: ridin' dirty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116173 ridin' dirty Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:07:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116173 "He consistently sold himself as the pragmatic left — sometimes more progressive, sometimes more cautious" Yes, but always saying and doing and PROMISING anything necessary to get elected. Just one example: he lied about closing Gitmo in his first 100 days. Say anything, do anything, promise anything to get elected. That is Obama's "pragmatism". “He consistently sold himself as the pragmatic left — sometimes more progressive, sometimes more cautious”

Yes, but always saying and doing and PROMISING anything necessary to get elected. Just one example: he lied about closing Gitmo in his first 100 days. Say anything, do anything, promise anything to get elected. That is Obama’s “pragmatism”.

]]> By: CG http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116166 CG Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:35:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116166 The lesson the Democratic Party should learn is that the caucus process needs to be discontinued, and in the case of the Obama campaign, this corrupt process in which people were intimidated and excluded allowed Obama to game the system and cheat, and it is not democratic. The caucus system is awful, with aggressive and hostile bullying the norm. The Democratic Party should hold only primaries in each state, and allow voters the opportunity to vote at a polling booth at a time that is convenient for everyone. Each state's delegates should be nominated and selected separately of from the primary voting, thereby you get only persons who want to be delegates versus a bunch of people who have absolutely no interest in competing to be a delegate, and delegates should be mandated by the state party based on the result of the primary vote results only, otherwise it becomes a corrupt venture. Obama supporters never want to admit that Hillary received more democratic votes, of one vote for one person, instead of ridiculous formulas of delegates awarded with no rhyme or reason or logical basis. I will be happy to provide precise examples. Hillary won more popular votes, the fair, honest and democratic way. I hope that delegates will never again be the basis for determining who wins a primary, and for god sakes let's never have super delegates who are bought with different pac monies, and never again disenfranchise a single voter from this day forward. The lesson the Democratic Party should learn is that the caucus process needs to be discontinued, and in the case of the Obama campaign, this corrupt process in which people were intimidated and excluded allowed Obama to game the system and cheat, and it is not democratic. The caucus system is awful, with aggressive and hostile bullying the norm. The Democratic Party should hold only primaries in each state, and allow voters the opportunity to vote at a polling booth at a time that is convenient for everyone. Each state’s delegates should be nominated and selected separately of from the primary voting, thereby you get only persons who want to be delegates versus a bunch of people who have absolutely no interest in competing to be a delegate, and delegates should be mandated by the state party based on the result of the primary vote results only, otherwise it becomes a corrupt venture. Obama supporters never want to admit that Hillary received more democratic votes, of one vote for one person, instead of ridiculous formulas of delegates awarded with no rhyme or reason or logical basis. I will be happy to provide precise examples. Hillary won more popular votes, the fair, honest and democratic way. I hope that delegates will never again be the basis for determining who wins a primary, and for god sakes let’s never have super delegates who are bought with different pac monies, and never again disenfranchise a single voter from this day forward.

]]> By: CG http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116157 CG Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:00:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116157 Many other posters have reminded us of the role of the media in the success of the Obama campaign, inappropriate as it was/is. But don't you just love this?? Obama had dinner with George Will, and at least two other prominent conservative pundits Tuesday night, David Brooks and Bill Kristol, and none other than Rush Limbaugh. I don't know why Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity didn't join them. I wonder when the liberal media will have dinner with Obama? Many other posters have reminded us of the role of the media in the success of the Obama campaign, inappropriate as it was/is. But don’t you just love this?? Obama had dinner with George Will, and at least two other prominent conservative pundits Tuesday night, David Brooks and Bill Kristol, and none other than Rush Limbaugh. I don’t know why Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity didn’t join them. I wonder when the liberal media will have dinner with Obama?

]]> By: dannyb http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116156 dannyb Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:59:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116156 There are certainly lessons to be learned for the future of the Democratic party, but I think you are finding the wrong ones. What many Clinton supporters didn't appreciate about Obama was that his campaign did not appeal just to the far left or just to the center left. He consistently sold himself as the pragmatic left -- sometimes more progressive, sometimes more cautious. This let him break out of the traditional liberal/conservative dichotomy, in a way that a lot of people liked. Others, however, weren't sure what to make of it, and thought he was either a radical socialist or a closet neo-con. Also, please stop saying that Hillary "won the popular vote." For one thing, it's incredibly dishonest. You need to accept some bizarre counting methods for Clinton to get more votes. (http://public.sheet.zoho.com/publish.do?docurl=4TSEWu%2F2PATXMIqoemA4Wg%3D%3D&name=UtHZ%2BH6h%2FZV%2BCZZhAL54dQ%3D%3D; http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html) For another, it's irrelevant - the nomination is determined by delegates, and the fact that Mark Penn didn't understand how delegates were selected doesn't mean it's an unfair process. Saying she should have won based on votes is like a football team saying "we got more yards, so we should win." There are certainly lessons to be learned for the future of the Democratic party, but I think you are finding the wrong ones. What many Clinton supporters didn’t appreciate about Obama was that his campaign did not appeal just to the far left or just to the center left. He consistently sold himself as the pragmatic left — sometimes more progressive, sometimes more cautious. This let him break out of the traditional liberal/conservative dichotomy, in a way that a lot of people liked. Others, however, weren’t sure what to make of it, and thought he was either a radical socialist or a closet neo-con.

Also, please stop saying that Hillary “won the popular vote.” For one thing, it’s incredibly dishonest. You need to accept some bizarre counting methods for Clinton to get more votes. (http://public.sheet.zoho.com/publish.do?docurl=4TSEWu%2F2PATXMIqoemA4Wg%3D%3D&name=UtHZ%2BH6h%2FZV%2BCZZhAL54dQ%3D%3D; http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html) For another, it’s irrelevant – the nomination is determined by delegates, and the fact that Mark Penn didn’t understand how delegates were selected doesn’t mean it’s an unfair process. Saying she should have won based on votes is like a football team saying “we got more yards, so we should win.”

]]> By: CentralMass http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116155 CentralMass Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:53:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116155 Here is the transcript of the alledged race-baiting incident. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/lin-his-own-wor.html What was bullsh.it was for the media, the Kennedy/Kerry connection, and an army of Obama surrogates to take this and take down Hillary and Bill Clinton by implying they are racist. While the Obama's ran around making references like "typical white person", "bitter people clinging to God and guns", "sloth-like people with broken souls" etc. Supposed credible media people like Tim Russert (God rest his soul) stating repeadetly that Bill Clinton was playing the race card. Based on what? Look at the Clinton's history with the AA community. What was it that motivated people to ignore one couple's racists comment and invent them for another? The perpetuate it in venemous fashion. Is there some internal gult? Some reverse racism thing going on? This election was an engineered internal coupe with in the Democratic party.While admitly Hillary's camapign rana less then stellar campaign, the media, the DNC, and faction of the party are what took her down. Here is the transcript of the alledged race-baiting incident.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/lin-his-own-wor.html

What was bullsh.it was for the media, the Kennedy/Kerry connection, and an army of Obama surrogates to take this and take down Hillary and Bill Clinton by implying they are racist. While the Obama’s ran around making references like “typical white person”, “bitter people clinging to God and guns”, “sloth-like people with broken souls” etc.

Supposed credible media people like Tim Russert (God rest his soul) stating repeadetly that Bill Clinton was playing the race card. Based on what?
Look at the Clinton’s history with the AA community.

What was it that motivated people to ignore one couple’s racists comment and invent them for another? The perpetuate it in venemous fashion.
Is there some internal gult? Some reverse racism thing going on?

This election was an engineered internal coupe with in the Democratic party.While admitly Hillary’s camapign rana less then stellar campaign, the media, the DNC, and faction of the party are what took her down.

]]> By: elise http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116154 elise Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:25:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116154 What Ellen can't accept is that Hillary doesn't need her acceptance. She will be SoS, and a great one perhaps the best ever, and when the congress votes to confirm her nomination, she will be forever be out of Ellen's reach. She will be vindicated and just maybe all the Clinton protagonists will eat s@##t and die. What Ellen can’t accept is that Hillary doesn’t need her acceptance. She will be SoS, and a great one perhaps the best ever, and when the congress votes to confirm her nomination, she will be forever be out of Ellen’s reach. She will be vindicated and just maybe all the Clinton protagonists will eat s@##t and die.

]]> By: ridin' dirty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/10918/obama-and-the-american-lefts-part-i/#comment-1116152 ridin' dirty Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:15:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=10918#comment-1116152 Sorry, that should read "They proved once again they can INSTALL whoever they choose". Sorry, that should read “They proved once again they can INSTALL whoever they choose”.

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