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Is the US Exacerbating Palestinian Suffering?

Ray Close, a friend and old Middle East hand who served as CIA officer in several critical posts in that region, sent the following today. I agree with Ray. It is worth reading.

Friends:

There have been many powerful things written in the past few weeks about the Gaza crisis, but I urge all of my friends to give special attention to this piece, which is accurate, objective and basically hopeful — at least by contrast to the pessimism that many of us have felt and spoken about recently. The best thing about this article is its objectivity. It will not offend honest people who are naturally prejudiced toward either the Israeli or the Palestinian point of view. It is critical of U.S. policy management of the Israel-Palestine issue, but not in a way that is offensively partisan, and certainly not unfair. If anything, the villain of the piece is the discredited notion that covert action is an appropriate tool with which to manipulate the democratic process in societies which lack the institutional foundations that we who live in free societies take for granted. (Been there myself; done that several times with disastrous results; it’s a huge mistake!) Any criticism of that illegal and ill-advised practice is, in my opinion, entirely appropriate, and, in this case, richly deserved. It’s basically the same lesson that we have found so hard to learn in other places —- we (America) cannot install an individual or group in power without being forever perceived as the sponsor, godparent and protector of that new government. The result is nothing but painful failure. You know the story. You do the math, as they say.

Ray Close

Norman Olsen, the principal author, served for 26 years as a member of the US Foreign Service, including four years working in the Gaza Strip and four years as counselor for political affairs at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv. He was most recently associate coordinator for counterterrorism at the Department of State. His son, Matthew N. Olsen, is the director of Explore Corps, a nascent NGO that uses outdoor education and youth programming to facilitate peace-building among young adults, with several current projects in the Gaza Strip.

(This was published in today’s Christian Science Monitor. The full story can be read here.)

An inside story of how the US magnified Palestinian suffering.

The covert push to empower Fatah failed. And isolating Hamas just made things worse. But it’s not too late to change course.

By Norman H. Olsen and Matthew N. Olsen

A million and a half Palestinians are learning the hard way that democracy isn’t so good if you vote the wrong way. In 2006, they elected Hamas when the US and Israel wanted them to support the more-moderate Fatah. As a result, having long ago lost their homes and property, Gazans have endured three years of embargo, crippling shortages of food and basic necessities, and total economic collapse.

We spoke again Saturday with three of our longtime Gazan contacts. They and their families, all Fatah supporters, were in their eleventh day without electricity, running water, or heat. They are cowering in cold basements trying to protect their children from the storm of explosions that is filling Shifa hospital with amputees and the dead. Our friends in Israel are likewise living in fear.

The 850-plus dead Gazans, more than a dozen dead Israelis, and some 3,000 injured have since the end of the cease-fire become part of what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice once called the birth pains of a new Middle East.

It didn’t have to be this way. We could have talked instead of fought.

Hamas never called for the elections that put them in power. That was the brainstorm of Secretary Rice and her staff, who had apparently decided they could steer Palestinians into supporting the more-compliant Mahmoud Abbas (the current president of the Palestinian authority) and his Fatah Party through a marketing campaign that was to counter Hamas’s growing popularity – all while ignoring continued Israeli settlement construction, land confiscation, and cantonization of the West Bank.

State Department staffers helped finance and supervise the Fatah campaign, down to the choice of backdrop color for the podium where Mr. Abbas was to proclaim victory. An adviser working for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) explained to incredulous staffers at the Embassy in Tel Aviv how he would finance and direct elements of the campaign, leaving no US fingerprints. USAID teams, meanwhile, struggled to implement projects for which Abbas could claim credit. Once the covert political program cemented Fatah in place, the militia Washington was building for Fatah warlord-wannabee Mohammed Dahlan would destroy Hamas militarily.

Their collective confidence was unbounded. But the Palestinians didn’t get the memo. Rice was reportedly blindsided when she heard the news of Hamas’s victory during her 5 a.m. treadmill workout. But that did not prevent a swift response.

She immediately insisted that the Quartet (the US, European Union, United Nations, and Russia) ban all contact with Hamas and support Israel’s economic blockade of Gaza. The results of her request were mixed, but Palestinian suffering manifestly intensified. The isolation was supposed to turn angry Palestinians against an ineffective Hamas. As if such blockades had not been tried before.

Simultaneously, the US military team expanded its efforts to build the Mohammed Dahlan-led militia. President Bush considered Dahlan “our guy.” But Dahlan’s thugs moved too soon. They roamed Gaza, demanding protection money from businesses and individuals, erecting checkpoints to extort bribes, terrorizing Dahlan’s opponents within Fatah, and attacking Hamas members.

Finally, in mid-2007, faced with increasing chaos and the widely known implementation of a US-backed militia, Hamas – the lawfully elected government – struck first. They routed the Fatah gangs, securing control of the entire Gaza Strip, and established civil order.

Its efforts stymied, the US has for more than a year inflexibly backed Israel’s embargo of Gaza and its collective punishment of the Strip’s 1.5 million residents. The recent six-month cease-fire saw a near cessation of rocket fire into Israel and calm along the border, yet the economic siege was further tightened.

Gaza’s economy has collapsed, and the population, displaced for decades from their farms and villages, relies ever more on food aid from Hamas and the UN. The US expresses shock that Gazans resort to using smuggling tunnels for survival rather than passively accepting the suffering inflicted by the embargo. What would we expect Americans to do in the same circumstances? With no easing of the blockade, the missile launches have increased in range and frequency, yielding massive Israeli response.

Our “good,” US-supported Palestinians did not vanquish the “bad” Palestinians any more than Washington’s Lebanese clients turned on Hezbollah, despite the suffering and death of the 2006 war with Israel. Abbas sits emasculated in Ramallah. The Israelis continue to build settlements while blaming Iran for their troubles, as though the Palestinians have no grievances of their own. And we are further than ever from peace.

Cultural differences aside, Gazans, like Americans, unite in adversity. Neither punishment, nor a cease-fire that extends the embargo will make them accept the loss of their property, 60 years of displacement, or life in squalid refugee camps.

Nor, as decades of experience have proved, will too-clever US manipulation make Palestinians pliable to US and Israeli wishes. US financial and military support for Israel can maintain the status quo indefinitely, if that’s what we want, but it cannot resolve fundamental issues or bring peace. For that, we need to talk, even if at arm’s length initially, and not leave the hard issues to the end. That only leaves the radicals on both sides the opportunity to undermine peace efforts and extend the senseless loss of life. Until we talk about real issues, both Palestinians and Israelis will be cowering in cellars.

Such dialogue won’t be easy, but with concerted US-led effort, it is within reach. A significant portion of the provisions that will constitute a comprehensive agreement, even on the most difficult issues, have already been put together by discreet, experienced Track2 negotiators.

The difficulty lies in the politics of giving concessions and selling them to the public. Only the US has the influence to move the parties past their weaknesses with a comprehensive regional initiative, thereby defusing those who argue against concessions for any bilateral peace agreement while other enemies remain.

That’s why President-elect Obama must reconsider his plan to appoint a traditional Washington-based Middle East envoy, reportedly former envoy Dennis Ross, and instead pursue a course that signals change.

The Olsens lay out their vision for change in the CS Monitor. I agree with the Olsens that if Barack Obama sticks with Dennis Ross it is a clear sign that he is telling his old PLO friend, Rashid Khalidi, to fuck off and is embracing the Zionism espoused by his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel and his financial benefactor, Lester Crown. While it is theoretically possible that Barack might really try to change US policy in the region back to the even handed days of Bush 41, I suspect Barack is unlikely to stray too far from the current Bush policy. If that is true it will be a stain on both Barack and his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

We will know more in two weeks.

  • Barium

    From the Atlantic:

    Transition officials confirm that President-elect Obama has asked Dennis Ross, Richard Haass, and Richard Holbrooke, to serve as his chief emissaries to world hot spots.

    It’s expected that Ross will get the Iran portfolio, that Holbrooke, the hard-headed architect of the Dayton Peace Accords, will take the tough (and tougher) Southwest Asia portfolio, which includes India, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and that Haass will deal with the Middle East.

    Each men’s turf is still in flux, so the assignments might change. Other envoys will be added to this list; they’ll deal with Africa and South America.

    All three have the chops; all three are considered realists; all three have direct experience as envoys; Haass was the U.S. government’s chief negotiator in Northern Ireland; Ross shuttled between Mideast capitals during the Clinton administration, and Holbrooke, as mentioned, brought warring sides together in the Balkans. Haas served under Presidents Clinton and Bush and is currently the president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

    A transition spokesman declined to comment.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1823145,00.html

    According to Time, Ross worked for Bush One, it’s my impression he represents a more moderate influence, even willing to speak to Iran?

    • NoTrollZone

      Thanks for this story Larry. Amidst all the sabre rattling, whenever I read anything that smacks of the truth, I know it. This has got the truth. The only thing sad about it, is anyone thinking that Obama will bring change. At this point change would be Obama learning to tie his own shoelaces.
      Reading this article, in my mind, I was just
      going over how Obama pulled his cute tricks to game our system. Right on down to the parallel between the guy who was gonna choose the color behind Abbas victory podium and Obama’s grecian wonder.
      American politics might be our ugliest export.

      Sometimes I think there are people in our government joining hands with others like-minded around the world who just seem to like to inflict
      pain on people. And then there are populaces like
      here in America who will buy anything if it’s wrapped in red cellophane.

  • mountainaires

    The US is not, and has never been an “honest broker” when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians [or Iran or Iraq for that matter]. We’ve sent $21 Billion in the past year to Israel, in the form of weapons systems, aid, and other giveaways. They use those weapons systems to slaughter civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.

    So, of course the US magnified the Palestinians’ suffering.

    But, in the end, it will magnify our suffering if we don’t heed the dangers of reckless meddling without regard to justice or the lives of ordinary people we force into misery with our ideological geo-political machinations. Were Americans paying attention after 9/11? The lessons are clear; US foreign policy is a disaster for the US.

    Olmert is publicly crowing that he punked Condi Rice on the UN vote. And,the Palestinians cannot even bury their dead.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5505497.ece

    • JulieD

      Garber attempted to debunk three myths about democracy assistance, which he argued might be true in some parts of the Arab world but not in Palestine.

      First, the United States did not push for elections; it was Palestinians who insisted that elections be held on time.

      Second, U.S. democracy assistance in Palestine did not place a lot of emphasis on elections.

      Instead, U.S. democracy promotion efforts in the past years have focused appropriately on institutional development and on civil society.

      Third, observers unfairly charge that by failing to support alternatives to Fatah and Hamas, the United States gave Hamas an inherent advantage.

      More accurately, the United States did not shy away from supporting third way politicians but was singularly unsuccessful in supporting them due to the difficulty of attempting to effect political change by picking winners.

      Second, Nir pointed out that while a strangulation policy will have negative consequences, it cannot by itself account for the infighting between Hamas and Fatah.

      In fact, in-fighting is already happening and is only bound to escalate.

      http://www.carnegieendowment.org/events/?fa=eventDetail&id=885

      • Gary McGowan

        Without as much as a sentence of accompanying comment by the poster, it is unclear what contribution, if any, the above excerpt is intended to make. Just showing us it exists? Hell, thousands of articles on this exist.

        • JulieD

          Gary –

          The comments are from the following:

          Coping with Hamas
          Julia Choucair-Vizoso, Larry Garber, Ori Nir
          Thursday, May 18, 2006

          Presenter:
          Nathan Brown, senior associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

          Discussants:
          Larry Garber, former USAID mission director for the West Bank and Gaza and current executive director of the New Israel Fund.

          Ori Nir, Washington correspondent, The Forward

          Moderator:
          Julia Choucair, project associate and assistant editor of the Arab Reform Bulletin, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

          Nathan Brown presented his Policy Brief “Living with Palestinian Democracy,” published by the Carnegie Endowment in May 2006.

          Brown argues that by isolating the Hamas government financially and diplomatically, the United States and its allies have succeeded in bringing the Palestinian Authority to the brink of collapse.

          Brown’s remarks focused on three questions: what have the United States and its allies done in response to the Hamas victory; what are the implications; and whether there is any alternative policy.

  • Mr. X

    Larry, you’re the only one at NQ that writes anything sensible on this conflict. But one thing bothers me. There can be no agreement until the US gives the OK. The US has never given the OK in 60 years. Why would they change now?

    • Barium

      I think there is a level of covert game playing that runs against America values, the success of the American Constitution.

      As the covert activites of the various agencies fail, perhaps a part of the process is to discard those methods, understanding they are counter productive.

      But people are free to make up their own minds, we live in a democracy where political views, and options in regard to those views, differ.

      It’s always a matter of making lemonade out of lemons, then, isn’t it, the abilty to manage a million divergent factors and factions, yet still succeed?

      The role of intelligence, the role of the military, when all is said and done, is to preserve our government, our way of life, our Constitution.

      Meaning Connie, or Bush, may have made a mess in Palestine, so now Obama gets his shot, and despite it all, the US still has to make some progress, for the long term, however incremental.

      And Bush, and Obama, get to make the decisions because they’re President, Congress has a voice, too, because we’re still a democracy, and we try to funciton as such, despite the Soros, or the Crowns, and their Republican counterparts.

      And if the covert guys screw it up, too, that has to be factored in, and fixed, also.

      • Mr. X

        Unfortunately, you don’t understand what Democracy means. A democracy is a government that is pro-US. Anything else is a renegade regime.

        If you live in the US, you may not know about this definition of democracy. But this would go a long way to understanding the US’s foreign policy.

        • Jaque

          Oh, that’s the definition.
          Never heard that rhetoric before.
          Unfortunately the U.S. has supported many
          regimes that aren’t Pro-U.S. in the name of intelligence and to push Democracy.
          Though, I would recommend your strategy more often if given the only 2 choices.

          • Patrick Walker

            Name a regime that was not pro-American that was supported by the United States.

            Corporations are rational entities. They are not going to support any group or institution that does not, in some fashion, further their own self-interest.

            • Jaque

              Of Course it’s for our interest.
              My point is the generalization of “Pro-U.S.” is a little naive.
              …and so what if it is.
              Some of you act so self righteous in your hatred for U.S. tactics when every other country worth mentioning is playing the same game. Talk about naive.
              Nothing wrong with being humble and accepting acknowlegement about your country’s doings but come on.
              What kind of brownie points are you trying to score and with who?
              Lefties across the world who’s countires are doing the same thing?
              …What the hell ever.

              for instance in 2004(taken from a site for recent example)
              —-
              No group in Iraq was more vociferous in its celebration June 28 of the transition of power from the U.S.-led coalition than the ICP. Outside the party’s office in Baghdad, a dancing cheering crowd waved red flags as sympathetic passing motorists sounded their horns.

              Iraq’s biggest left-wing party has received a surprising amount of support and credibility even while U.S. troops fight Islamic terrorists and remnants of Saddam Hussein forces.
              The answer is that financial support comes from diverse sources, all of which are anti-West, particularly anti-American.

              Most are linked to global interests, which do not coincide with those of the U.S.

              Intelligence analysts say European communist parties are responsible for some of the funding, but countries such as North Korea and Iran are at the forefront of funneling funds to their preferred communist branches. Iran has a long-standing obligation to the Workers Communist Party of Iraq for its support, including providing vital intelligence during and after the Iran-Iraq war. The North Koreans are interested in pinning down in Iraq as many U.S. troops as possible to keep them away from the Pacific and the Far East. In addition, funds are being funneled by Syria as part of her anti-U.S. agenda. Other funds come from large communist parties in Asia, predominantly from India.
              —-

              Now go stop the whole world from turning.

        • Barium

          A democracy as compared to what, how does one create some order while still maintaing freedom according to, and with respect to the philosophy, the thinkers of the enlightenment, say?

          How does one do this in a world full of Cheneys, and Olhmerts and Putins and Stalins and Maos and Nixons?

          And from a few of the essays published, here, lately, at NQ, in a world full of covert intelligence ops, willing to take the law into their own hands, affecting the fate of nations, illegally, and without the consent of the governed?

        • TeakwoodKite

          A democracy is a government that is pro-US.

          Please tell me you are being satiracle…

          • Mr. X

            C’mon! The US topples elected governments all the time.

            • andrew191

              Name one!

              • andrew191

                If you truly think that your country, our country, topples freely elected governments “all the time” maybe your moral outrage should cause you to leave, or to provide compelling proof of your claims. Casually claiming that the US topples elected governments all the time indicates that you are mentally disturbed.

              • WildChild

                how about four

                The cases where the United States overthrew democracies look even worse in the aftermaths’ the critics say. These are the cases they cite:

                * In 1953, the CIA helped overthrow Muhammad Mussadegh, the elected prime minister of Iran; he was replaced by the Shah.

                * In 1954, the CIA organized the ouster of Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman, and his replacement by a military dictator.

                * In 1960, the CIA helped undermine Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba, the only legitimately elected leader in Congolese history. He was killed the following year. The corrupt and brutal dictatorship of Mobutu Sese Seko dominated Congo (which he renamed Zaire) for decades.

                * In 1973, the CIA conspired against Chilean President Salvador Allende, who committed suicide after being overthrown by Gen. Augusto Pinochet.

                The coups overthrew leftist but non-communist governments that represented a threat to U.S. economic interests, the critics say. For example, Mussadegh had just nationalized Iran’s oil. Arbenz had pushed through a law allowing the Guatemalan government to buy and redistribute land from major landowners — such as U.S.-based United Fruit Co. — whether or not the landowners wanted to sell.

                In all four cases, the dictatorships received years of U.S. military or economic aid.

                http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/war2.htm

                • andrew191

                  What jumps out at me from your citations are adverbs like “organized, undermined, helped, and conspired, not “toppled”. I’m sure we have had and still have many operations around the globe that act as firewalls against the creeping tyrany that is communism, and hooray for them. Setting aside the debatable moral ethics of such policies, and the results, it is very dishonest to claim that it happens “ALL” the time, and without compelling reasons like a wartime situation, or to prevent actions that are considered illegal by treaties and contracts, as was the case in three of your four examples. All four of your examples were in a direct attempt to prevent Soviet/Communist efforts at bringing unstable countries under their control. Because Kennedy dropped the ball so badly with Cuba, for 50 years millions have suffered the consequenses of that mistake, and it’s a lesson that we should, and do, consider as an important factor in our foriegn policy calculus.

                  Toppled democracies? Not hardly. Influenced them? Of course, and why not?

                  • Mary

                    Aw, man. The ignorance typed above is STUNNING.

                    The Shah of Iran was our puppet.

                    He created a Secret Police that arrested, tortured, and killed anyone who disagreed with his policy imposed by America, WITHOUT trial.

                    If you think that’s democracy, you’re an ignorant fool.

                  • WildChild

                    Toppled democracies? Not hardly. Influenced them? Of course, and why not?

                    Sure, why not “influenmce” a democracy into becoming a dictatorship so a few greedy little cowards can continue to make at fast buck? LOL makes perfect sense to me. It’s exactly what you stand for.
                    That kind of thing is written all over you man.

              • elise

                andrew, are you seriously asking for examples? I won’t do your research, but I can offer some things to consider.

                The Philippines, the Congo. Iran, Nicaragua, Cuba (Batista and Castro), Ethiopia, Paraguay, Iraq, South Vietnam, Chile, Bolivia, Grenada, Haiti.

                I’m sure there are others, but all of these were supported by the CIA and US government.

                Do you know anything about the history of the US and Cuba? Batista was a cruel dictator who cooperated with and became wealthy with the help of certain crime families from the US. The CIA help Castro overthrow his government unaware Castro was also receiving help from the Soviet Union. After the discovery of Soviet missiles being placed in Cuba, an invasion was planned by free Cubans living in the US and the CIA. The US was supposed to provide air cover at the Bay of Pigs, but at the last minute, JFK changed his mind and the invasion failed. The CIA later contracted with a crime family (Giancana, I think) to put a hit out on Castro. Several attempts were made and all failed.

                In the 1950′s Patrice Laumba (Congo)led the fight for independence from Belgium and established the Republic of the Congo and was elected it’s first president. A few weeks later a coup, backed by the US, deposed him and he was assassinated, possibly by the CIA.

                Have you never heard the US backed a coup in Iran and installed the Shaw of Iran. I hope you know how that worked out. Read about it. Check out Teddy Rosevelt and the Phillipines. Didn’t you learn anything in history classes?

                • andrew191

                  Boy, I sure miss the Shaw. We, and most Iranians, are still paying the price for Carter’s monumental stupidity!

                  Yes, Batista was bad. Castro is soooo much better! Thanks Kennedy!

                  Grenada? What was the “elected government” that we TOPPLED?

                  The Phillipines? Spanish American War, HELLO, no elected gov there either, a Spanish colony.

                  South Viet Nam????? Our presense there was an attempt to PREVENT a gov from being toppled by the communist north.

  • Mary

    Is the US complicit in allowing Palestinian suffering?

    Under the Bush/Cheney neocon regime, YES.

    This last UN Resolution demanding a ceasefire, with the US abstaining, is a little different, and it’s due to WORLDWIDE condemnation of Israel and America’s complicity.

    Not that Israel gives a diggy-dog-damn, or will consider international law applicable.

    But the world, and the majority of Americans, are now turning against them.

    Pray that Netanyahu doesn’t win the February elections. If he does, he’ll suck the United States into a war with Iran, even if he has to cheat to do it.

    • rayve

      Elections certainly have consequences as we’ve seen the last 8 years. If Israel elects Netanyahu, that will be as much of a disaster as the elections of Bush and Hamas.

    • cacky

      According to Obamanation, Iran is just a tiny country. No need to worry!

    • mountainaires

      Mary, I appreciate your contributions here. Just wanted to say that.

      • Mary

        Thank you. I feel the same about yours. :)

  • Rah-Rah

    Hamas never called for the elections that put them in power. That was the brainstorm of Secretary Rice and her staff, who had apparently decided they could steer Palestinians into supporting the more-compliant Mahmoud Abbas (the current president of the Palestinian authority) and his Fatah Party through a marketing campaign that was to counter Hamas’s growing popularity – all while ignoring continued Israeli settlement construction, land confiscation, and cantonization of the West Bank.

    This article was an education from start to finish. Thank you, Messrs. Olsen and Olsen.

    • Patrick Henry

      I agree Rah Rah…This was an Excellent read…and commentary and refreshing Breath of FRESH Air…

      OMG…Some TRUTH for a Change…and from People who REALLY ..REALLY Know…Been there done That…Seen the Fubars…and Admit Gasp…That
      a Yes Alice.The USA has been responsible for Many FUBARS…

      Unlike der CONDI..The Neo Con..Sweet Condi ..

      The Condor…

      Who Says..Innocently .’WOW…WHO COULD HAVE NTICIPATED”….?????

      Gee Guys..I though we learned our lessons During the “BAY OF PIGS”..

      No..??

      Well…Not everyone Liked…PORK..or PORKERS..
      Richard Nixon, John Kennedy..or Ollie North…
      or last eight years of MISSION ACCOMPLISHED..

      or Porkers..

      Thanks Guys…and Larry for this really Great Bit of Insider Information..

      Best Classroom on the internet…

    • Strawberrybitch

      I remember when the elections took place…all I could think was, whose bright idea was that? Now I know. Rice should have stuck to dabdling in Russian history and playing piano.

      • TeakwoodKite

        and shopping for shoes. UG.

        • Patrick Henry

          I never did Trust Condi…and always wondered who she waqs really Playing Piano for…and if she got Paid…

          • Strawberrybitch

            Why does everyone say she’s so smart? She can’t think on her feet. All her interviews used to annoy the ever long crap out of me. When she was tossed a tough question, she’d smile and say “Uh, uh, uh”. And then deflect, deflect, deflect.

            • TeakwoodKite

              Rice noted that before Sept. 11, “terrorist attacks were getting bolder, they were getting more imaginative, they were getting more daring. We were not aggressively going after them.”

              Who is we?

              • Patrick Henry

                Teak…All the Voices in Her head..

                And on Her caller ID..

  • Barium

    I think Larry’s posts, and those of the others, are contributing to a larger discussion, one that will present new solutions to the problems facing the US, in the ME.

    And this is a part of the process, a part of long term planning and problem solving, as opposed to the neocon “instant policy change,” which failed, catastrophically, for Bush.

    • elise

      I do hope you are right. It would be the first time many have really paid attention instead of accepting what the media reports and the government says.

  • ritamary

    Thank you Larry.

  • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Wow. Now that’s interesting.

  • TeakwoodKite

    When one looks thru the correct lense of those who would make a proxy of this conflict, other peices of the “puzzle” take shape…

    Like a Rumsfield scewdriver.

    This is an exellent perspective and whats more, while everyone is once again split for this side or that side…the author is spot on pointing out where Condi was going the distance.

    Great read.

  • Peggy Sue

    Read this piece wirh great interest. A different take, for sure.

    I am ever learning–a good thing! Always.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    i agree that US efforts to back particular “friendly” faction in the MR have never worked and will never work; i could have told them that. but the writers go into the typical palestinian apologista mode with this:

    “Cultural differences aside, Gazans, like Americans, unite in adversity. Neither punishment, nor a cease-fire that extends the embargo will make them accept the loss of their property, 60 years of displacement, or life in squalid refugee camps.”

    some how the jews managed to “accept” what happened to them 60-70 years ago during the holocaust, and move on with new lives, many times in totally new countries, starting over from scratch. but the palestinians would rather destroy themselves and their children’s lives in perpetuity, rather than live in peace with a jewish state.

    how many people, such as the writers of the piece quoted, who wring their hands about the awful injustice done to the palestinians 60 years ago, give a flying flip about what happened to jews only a few years earlier? i wonder if these people would support jews if they were to start bombing pizza places in germany and firing rockets into downtown berlin over what happened to them in WW2. not likely.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      oops; “friendly” factions in the ME

    • Peggy Sue

      “I wonder if these people would support jews if they were to start bombing pizza places in germany and firing rockets into downtown berlin over what happened to them in WW2. Not likely.”

      I agree. Not likely at all. But that shouldn’t inhibit us from looking at all the angles and points of view. I also find the Hamas apologista mode particularly disturbing. And the heightened anti-Semitism even more so.

      But that shouldn’t keep us from looking at US culability in this mess [which the article suggests is profound].

      I think the open discussion is generally a good sign. Even those of us who rant and rave have more in common than we think. All sensible, rational people want a solution, one that will reduce the suffering and anxiety. On all sides.

      How we get there is the rub.

    • Patrick Walker

      Because what happened to the Jews in Europe isn’t a Palestinian responsibility. Why should the Palestinians be made to shoulder European crimes?

  • Patrick Henry

    On the Stairway to Heavn….

  • justsomeone

    Let’s make sure I’m getting this; seems to me the author is strongly intimating Israel is a vassal state of the U.S. In any event, Hamas is obviously a vassal of Iran, as is Israel’s enemy to her north, HebzAllah. And if Israel is a vassal of the U.S than most certainly Iran is a vassal of Russia. Things get a bit more complex when looked at in this manner & compounded by the Shia liberation in Iraq. Holbrook has done little to nothing to calm the Russian Bear. While for existential purposes many may choose to get intensely myopic & focus intently only on Hamas & Israel, once the door opens to accuse the U.S. of complicity the rest of the geopolitical horizon must also be surveyed complete with all possible ramifications. Some may label this big picture analysis, obfuscation; however the U.S. must learn to think long term, many moves in advance & give up on capsulating scenarios. Likewise Russia must survey her proxy friends least in a theocratic frenzy they unite & attack the hand that feeds them.

  • mountainaires

    Bethlehem – Ma’an – at least ten soldiers have opted for prison terms rather than going through with their deployment.

    The refusals would be the first of their kind since Israel launched its massive air, sea and ground assault on the Gaza Strip,

    On “conscience’s grounds,” the soldiers refused orders to head to the Gaza Strip, they said.

    Preferring a 14-day prison stint and rounding criticism from fellow soldiers and society at large, at least ten are awaiting trial for violations of orders. One said he simply could not go through with the deployment.

    No’em Levna, a first lieutenant in Israel’s army, refused to serve in Gaza, saying, “We killed 900 Palestinians in 17 days, including hundreds of children.”

    “If violence must be used, it should be used minimally, and that isn’t what’s happening,” he added. “Killing innocent civilians cannot be justified. Nothing justifies this kind of killing. It’s devilish.”

    “It is Israeli arrogance based on logic. It’s saying, ‘if we hit more, everything will be okay,’” he said. “But the hatred and anger we are planting in Gaza will rebound on us.”

    http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/growing-calls-for-israel-to-face-war-crimes-investigation/

    Gaza: UN Official Reports

    Horrific Hospital Scenes of Casualties

    By UN News Centre

    “(It) is the place of course where you see the most horrific human consequences of this conflict. Among the tragic cases that I saw were a child, six years of age, little or no brain activity, people don’t have much hope for her survival; multiple amputee – another little girl; and a pregnant woman who’d lost a leg,” he said.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21741.htm

    Israel’s War of Deceit, Lies and Propaganda

    By Uri Avnery

    THE FAILURE to grasp the nature of Hamas has caused a failure to grasp the predictable results. Not only is Israel unable to win the “war”, Hamas cannot lose it.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21731.htm

    • Gary McGowan

      The Shministim are Israeli high school students who have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in an army that occupies the Palestinian Territories. December 18 marks the launch date of a global campaign to release them from jail. You can sign a letter to the Israeli Minister of Defense and learn more here:
      http://december18th.org/
      Scroll down a bit to read some of their stories. Sometimes the pages at this site can be slow-loading. Please be patient if that is the case.

  • mountainaires

    Hill of Shame where Gaza bombing is spectator sport:

    A beauty spot has turned into a vantage point for viewing of Israel’s bombardment of the Gaza Strip
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5505390.ece

    Parash Hill, a nature reserve in southern Israel, is a great spot for a picnic. With lush green fields and a view all the way to the Mediterranean, it is a serene and picturesque place where residents of Sderot come to quietly enjoy nature. But in a nation obsessed with the glories of its latest military adventure, Parash Hill is now a place for Israelis to gather and watch the death unfold.

    They come with binoculars. They bring their families and take pictures. They rationalize away the deaths of hundreds of children by reasoning that “when they grow up they’ll also probably be terrorists.” Its like the fourth of July, only instead of watching fireworks and listening to crappy instrumental music on the radio they watch with barely restrained jubilation as their neighbors are killed under a heavy military bombardment and ground forces continue to pour deeper into the Gaza Strip.

    The obsession with watching the violence unfold in the Gaza Strip is creeping-out even some of their fellow Israelis, who have dubbed the site “The Hill of Shame” and watch disapprovingly as others participate in Israel’s newest spectator sport.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/israeli-sightseers-flock-to-border-to-watch-gaza-killings/

  • MG

    Just in case you missed it! Mountainaires, I see by your understanding the Palestinians are innocent and are never at fault.
    So the bombing of Israel civilians is prefectly legitimate. Rover…Rover send a suicide bomber right over… and if you respond then we cry foul.
    In the ’70’s a group of Puerto Rican went to Israel for the Holy Week worship… can you imagine that… what a delight to see the land of Jesus etc.. And can you believe that, a Bunch of Islanders who never travel that far what a treat…
    When they arrived at the airport and were in the terminal, a bunch of Palestinian men open fire with machine guns and threw granands!!!!!! They showed no mercy.. they kept on firing even those who were injured.
    You want to know about carnage, blood, screams of innocent people!!! I boil with anger as I type this!!! Yup, blame the Jews… some how they push the palestinians to take revenge upon some Islanders from clear across the world.
    I was a teen, and I remember the caskets arriving from Israel and the families crying over their loss.
    Did I hear we are sorry from the Palestinians NO!!! The Israelis did.
    So, the palestinian get a free pass(you know when they use Human shields…Kill innocent people all for what!!!)
    Israel must defender herself against those who wish to destroy her.
    You show Israelis protesting their gov… great! Now can the Mod Palestinian activist for peace do the same in Gaza? Can they protest Hamas and Hezbollah use of schools and human shields? Right, only the Jews use the internet to push their agenda.. and the Hamas extermist do not? Didn’t they send thousands of dollars to The Messiahs campaign? I wonder?!
    Do they not go into other countries and demand that they continue to follow their own idealogy…You know hate the Jews (oven)and oh …Honor killings…convert or die etc…
    Like the Pelestinians have never ever killed innocent people all in order to gain WHAT! Sympathy . NO But they have earned my miss trust and anger!!!

    • mountainaires

      MG: You “see” nothing. But then, you don’t want to “see” anything. I don’t have to justify my perspective–the same perspective of the UN Human Rights Council, by the way–to someone so obviously clueless as yourself.

      Israel Is Committing War Crimes
      Hamas’s violations are no justification for Israel’s actions.

      Israel’s current assault on the Gaza Strip cannot be justified by self-defense. Rather, it involves serious violations of international law, including war crimes. Senior Israeli political and military leaders may bear personal liability for their offenses, and they could be prosecuted by an international tribunal, or by nations practicing universal jurisdiction over grave international crimes. Hamas fighters have also violated the laws of warfare, but their misdeeds do not justify Israel’s acts.

      The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an “armed attack” from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them — as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable — to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting.

      Israel had not suffered an “armed attack” immediately prior to its bombardment of the Gaza Strip. Since firing the first Kassam rocket into Israel in 2002, Hamas and other Palestinian groups have loosed thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel, causing about two dozen Israeli deaths and widespread fear. As indiscriminate attacks on civilians, these were war crimes.

      During roughly the same period, Israeli forces killed about 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza by targeted killings, aerial bombings, in raids, etc., according to the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem.

      But on June 19, 2008, Hamas and Israel commenced a six-month truce. Neither side complied perfectly. Israel refused to substantially ease the suffocating siege of Gaza imposed in June 2007. Hamas permitted sporadic rocket fire — typically after Israel killed or seized Hamas members in the West Bank, where the truce did not apply. Either one or no Israelis were killed (reports differ) by rockets in the half year leading up to the current attack.

      Israel then broke the truce on Nov. 4, raiding the Gaza Strip and killing a Palestinian. Hamas retaliated with rocket fire; Israel then killed five more Palestinians. In the following days, Hamas continued rocket fire — yet still no Israelis died. Israel cannot claim self-defense against this escalation, because it was provoked by Israel’s own violation.

      An armed attack that is not justified by self-defense is a war of aggression. Under the Nuremberg Principles affirmed by U.N. Resolution 95, aggression is a crime against peace.

      Full column online:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html

  • MG

    Another thing, wasn’t CNN caught in a lie when they show a 2005 film in which showed Palestinians lying dead as something that happen… like during this conflict? I believe the deaths that were shown happen when a suicide truck bomb went off prematurely and killed a lot of their own people…Do I heard any outrage…right their Martyrs. CNN had to say… OOOPS! Sorry. But the damage is done.

    Talk about the Jews being hunted again.

    • mountainaires

      Wrong again, MG.

      CNN has reposted the video and has a story on its front page about it. They are standing by its authenticity.

      http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/gaza.video.accusations/index.html#cnnSTCText

      Allegra Pacheco, a senior UN official in Jerusalem who helped draft the report on the incident for OCHA, added: “We are not making an accusation of deliberate action” by the Israelis.

      “We are just saying the facts. In Gaza, no civilian is safe. As long as violence continues, civilians will be injured and killed,” she said.

      UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said the UN report should be the basis for an investigation of “war crimes elements.”

      Her spokesman, Rupert Colville, said the “war crimes elements” would refer to allegations that Israel impeded medical teams trying to care for wounded civilians and failed to care for those injured in the attack.

      Pillay told an emergency meeting of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva that any harm to Israeli civilians by Hamas rockets was unacceptable, but it did not excuse abuses carried out by Israeli forces in response.

      The ICRC has repeatedly made statements to the effect that any attack against the Israeli civilian population is unacceptable.

      http://icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/65chkz?opendocument

      Blueprint for Gaza Attack Was Long Planned

      http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=14050

  • MG

    MG: You “see” nothing. But then, you don’t want to “see” anything. I don’t have to justify my perspective–the same perspective of the UN Human Rights Council, by the way–to someone so obviously clueless as yourself.

    Well, you seem to spew the usually retort…However, I am amazed you could not even speak about the innocent people from an island who had nothing to do with that conflict. But you can argue they served a purpose…NO?

    I saw caskets arrive and people with missing limbs. I saw tears and cries for missing sons, daughters, fathers and mothers who never came home. I see the pain of those that today hold the “recuerdos” of the those who died. And those who have loss limbs can speak of what happened as if did yesterday.

    I was young then now older…believe me I didn’t understand … I do now. And you my friend, will allow the killing of Jews or any other group just to keep up with Justification of whatever!

    • Mary

      Mountain is correct, MG. You “see” only what the Israeli propaganda allows you to see.

      THIS time, the world knows Israel has committed unforgivable war crimes, and will hold them accountable.

      64 UN Resolutions, Israel has ignored.

      Saddam Hussein was removed for ignoring 16.

      White phosphorous bombs used on civilians? By international law, that’s chemical warfare, as criminal as Saddam Hussein’s choices.

      Israel has very few allies anymore, MG.

      And its because of their own choices.

      I was young once, and thought Israel could do no wrong.

      I’m older and wiser now, and I understand they have become a rogue nation.

      We must not, as Americans, be complicit in their crimes.

      Period.

  • Annie Oakley

    Thank you for this post.

  • MG

    WOW!!!
    And who will hold the Palestinians reponsible for the death of the Puertoriquenos who went to Israel for holy week. Who will hold the Palestinians responsible for the suicide bombings of innocent people!? I take it as so long as it is a Jew then that great! Right? But the puertrriquenos were Christian.
    What about the innocent travelers from all walks of life …. are they fair game?
    Who do you find exempt from killings?
    I do not know of this Israeli propagand. Because, I lived it!!
    A Jew did not tell a child what to beleive, I saw the silver caskets come home.
    The survivors told their story and show their wounds. Who should we have held responsible Israel?
    I am still amazed