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		<title>By: Fred C. Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-65703</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred C. Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now it is not good for the Christian&#039;s health
To hustle the Aryan brown,
For the Christian riles and the Aryan smiles,
And it weareth the Christian down.
And the end of the fight
Is a tombstone white
With the name of the late deceased
And the epitaph drear: &quot;A fool lies here
who tried to hustle the East.&quot;

Rudyard Kipling,&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt; Naulahka &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now it is not good for the Christian&#8217;s health<br />
To hustle the Aryan brown,<br />
For the Christian riles and the Aryan smiles,<br />
And it weareth the Christian down.<br />
And the end of the fight<br />
Is a tombstone white<br />
With the name of the late deceased<br />
And the epitaph drear: &#8220;A fool lies here<br />
who tried to hustle the East.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rudyard Kipling,<em><strong> Naulahka </strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64892</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your friend sounds pretty sensible. I hope he and others like him will succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your friend sounds pretty sensible. I hope he and others like him will succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64624</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And which congressman gave the Stinger to the Mujahideen?

You do have to ask yourself what agenda is being executed, given the absence of any apparent rational explanation, by they who kill when they are mentioned. The problem I encounter is how to make effective use of the pressure points within the lies, since those we elect won’t. And it would be a holiday gift to pin down who “they” are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And which congressman gave the Stinger to the Mujahideen?</p>
<p>You do have to ask yourself what agenda is being executed, given the absence of any apparent rational explanation, by they who kill when they are mentioned. The problem I encounter is how to make effective use of the pressure points within the lies, since those we elect won’t. And it would be a holiday gift to pin down who “they” are.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows?  I know many of them come from prominent Afghani families.  My friend really feels the answer to the Taliban is integrate them into any plans for restructuring that they have some valid opinions and concerns.  That efforts to eliminate them will not work, and again that they have some legitimate concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows?  I know many of them come from prominent Afghani families.  My friend really feels the answer to the Taliban is integrate them into any plans for restructuring that they have some valid opinions and concerns.  That efforts to eliminate them will not work, and again that they have some legitimate concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64565</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64564</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Michael.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Lafferty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64515</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the classic outcome.

We provided the best possible ‘live fire exercise’ experience for the Mujahideen which we funded, armed and otherwise supported in their efforts to drive back the Soviet ‘invaders.’

When we actually attacked Afghanistan, we failed to enter the country with sufficient forces to insure security, capture or kill the opposition and end the cooperative ‘reign’ of the Taliban and those allied with Osama bin Laden. We compounded that idiocy by diverting critical assets to the unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq. And, ultimately rewarded our then-CENTCOM commander with a medal for rebuffing pleas from the CIA for more assets to capture or kill the fleeing forces at Tora Bora. Simultaneously, we rewarded the then-Director of Central Intelligence the same medal.

We have continued to fail in Afghanistan, by failing to insure security and tranquility, win the hearts and minds of those wary of the Taliban, and by failing to provide an economically attractive alternative to the cultivation of poppies and the production of heroin.

We continue to support the government of General Musharraf in Pakistan, a military dictator whose secretive security forces—and, even units of its regular military—provided logistical support, arms and financial resources which resulted in the installation of the Taliban in the first place. A government which employed, supported and protected agents who almost single handedly boosted the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology. The very outcome that Valerie Plame worked so hard to prevent. And, we all know how well that effort turned out…

Until we invaded Afghanistan in late 2001, we failed to provide sufficient support to elements of the Northern Alliance, who fought the Taliban and its Pakistani benefactors.

Is there anyone—not still drinking the cool-aid—who actually wonders how things have turned out this way? A rookie intelligence analyst with a rudimentary knowledge of the nations involved, and of the historical, political and economic forces in play, would have seen this coming. I imagine, at that level, they all did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the classic outcome.</p>
<p>We provided the best possible ‘live fire exercise’ experience for the Mujahideen which we funded, armed and otherwise supported in their efforts to drive back the Soviet ‘invaders.’</p>
<p>When we actually attacked Afghanistan, we failed to enter the country with sufficient forces to insure security, capture or kill the opposition and end the cooperative ‘reign’ of the Taliban and those allied with Osama bin Laden. We compounded that idiocy by diverting critical assets to the unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq. And, ultimately rewarded our then-CENTCOM commander with a medal for rebuffing pleas from the CIA for more assets to capture or kill the fleeing forces at Tora Bora. Simultaneously, we rewarded the then-Director of Central Intelligence the same medal.</p>
<p>We have continued to fail in Afghanistan, by failing to insure security and tranquility, win the hearts and minds of those wary of the Taliban, and by failing to provide an economically attractive alternative to the cultivation of poppies and the production of heroin.</p>
<p>We continue to support the government of General Musharraf in Pakistan, a military dictator whose secretive security forces—and, even units of its regular military—provided logistical support, arms and financial resources which resulted in the installation of the Taliban in the first place. A government which employed, supported and protected agents who almost single handedly boosted the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology. The very outcome that Valerie Plame worked so hard to prevent. And, we all know how well that effort turned out…</p>
<p>Until we invaded Afghanistan in late 2001, we failed to provide sufficient support to elements of the Northern Alliance, who fought the Taliban and its Pakistani benefactors.</p>
<p>Is there anyone—not still drinking the cool-aid—who actually wonders how things have turned out this way? A rookie intelligence analyst with a rudimentary knowledge of the nations involved, and of the historical, political and economic forces in play, would have seen this coming. I imagine, at that level, they all did.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64510</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Susan, that idea occurred to me too, but I figured that if it was a viable option someone already would have thought of it, and tried to put something into motion to make it happen. Silly me! That requires the assumption that there are people with the means who actually WANT to solve these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Susan, that idea occurred to me too, but I figured that if it was a viable option someone already would have thought of it, and tried to put something into motion to make it happen. Silly me! That requires the assumption that there are people with the means who actually WANT to solve these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64509</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, Kathleen, it is highly unlikely that your friend or any of those Fulbright scholars will become leaders in Afghanistan unless things either change radically, or they are willing to turn to the dark side by becoming American puppets, or join the criminal element that has real power in Afghanistan.

But, they should definitely hold onto their ideas and dreams because one of these days maybe, just maybe Afghanistan will be free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, Kathleen, it is highly unlikely that your friend or any of those Fulbright scholars will become leaders in Afghanistan unless things either change radically, or they are willing to turn to the dark side by becoming American puppets, or join the criminal element that has real power in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>But, they should definitely hold onto their ideas and dreams because one of these days maybe, just maybe Afghanistan will be free.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64506</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, the MSM won&#039;t even listen to AMERICANS who actually know something about Iraq (or Afghanistan). When was the last time Scott Ritter was on any mainstream radio or television program? Like, never? When has Dahr Jamail EVER been seen or heard on any mainstream broadcast or print medium?

The best they can do EVER in that direction is to briefly quote Juan Cole, whom they now present as an &quot;Iraq expert&quot;, despite the fact that Iraq has never been his area of study, and he has never set foot in that country. (I am not saying that Juan Cole as nothing of value to offer - he is certainly more qualified than most of the &quot;experts&quot; we see on the MSM, but he is not an expert on Iraq, has never even been there, and though he has lots of good information, his analysis on Iraq is often far off the mark.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, the MSM won&#8217;t even listen to AMERICANS who actually know something about Iraq (or Afghanistan). When was the last time Scott Ritter was on any mainstream radio or television program? Like, never? When has Dahr Jamail EVER been seen or heard on any mainstream broadcast or print medium?</p>
<p>The best they can do EVER in that direction is to briefly quote Juan Cole, whom they now present as an &#8220;Iraq expert&#8221;, despite the fact that Iraq has never been his area of study, and he has never set foot in that country. (I am not saying that Juan Cole as nothing of value to offer &#8211; he is certainly more qualified than most of the &#8220;experts&#8221; we see on the MSM, but he is not an expert on Iraq, has never even been there, and though he has lots of good information, his analysis on Iraq is often far off the mark.)</p>
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		<title>By: mudcat</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64501</link>
		<dc:creator>mudcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yogi - don&#039;t confuse the government with the current administration.  They are two different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yogi &#8211; don&#8217;t confuse the government with the current administration.  They are two different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64495</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! They repeated it again today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! They repeated it again today!</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64110</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way our government wages war is total joke.

The wars are meant solely to generate money for banks and defense contractors. That&#039;s it.

All talk of rebuilding a country&#039;s infrastructure is bogus (remember all the talk about Iraq&#039;s Marshall Plan?)
All talk of providing security for locals is bogus (ask two million Iraqi refugees how secure their locales were in Iraq).
All talk of winning hearts and minds of locals is bogus. The locals in Iraq and Afghanistan hate our guts. It&#039;s way past the point where we can change that. Especially not by blasting into their homes and carting off their fathers to be tortured somewhere. 
All talk of avoiding civilian casualties is bogus. In the Iraq War, the conservative estimates of civilian casualties is hundreds of thousands, and they make up at least 80% of the total casualties.

The only people that make money are bankers and contractors. They profit off war spoils. Rebuilding is not nearly as profitable as defense contracting, so they aren&#039;t nearly as interested.

The wars are created to put the people of both the USA and the invaded countries into deeper debt to the banks.

Destabilized countries that owe their soul to international banking corporations are the desired result of the invasions.

In this sense, neither the Iraq nor the Afghanistan War are failures. The people who started those wars knew exactly how destabilizing they would be, and how much profits they could generate as a result of the invasions and the instability. They also knew they could operate in lawless zones without the need for proper tracking of their activities.

They made gobs of money.

And now they have their greedy eyes set on Iran, where the desired result is remarkably similar to what they created in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And they&#039;ll make gobs more money, and America will go deeper in debt to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way our government wages war is total joke.</p>
<p>The wars are meant solely to generate money for banks and defense contractors. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>All talk of rebuilding a country&#8217;s infrastructure is bogus (remember all the talk about Iraq&#8217;s Marshall Plan?)<br />
All talk of providing security for locals is bogus (ask two million Iraqi refugees how secure their locales were in Iraq).<br />
All talk of winning hearts and minds of locals is bogus. The locals in Iraq and Afghanistan hate our guts. It&#8217;s way past the point where we can change that. Especially not by blasting into their homes and carting off their fathers to be tortured somewhere.<br />
All talk of avoiding civilian casualties is bogus. In the Iraq War, the conservative estimates of civilian casualties is hundreds of thousands, and they make up at least 80% of the total casualties.</p>
<p>The only people that make money are bankers and contractors. They profit off war spoils. Rebuilding is not nearly as profitable as defense contracting, so they aren&#8217;t nearly as interested.</p>
<p>The wars are created to put the people of both the USA and the invaded countries into deeper debt to the banks.</p>
<p>Destabilized countries that owe their soul to international banking corporations are the desired result of the invasions.</p>
<p>In this sense, neither the Iraq nor the Afghanistan War are failures. The people who started those wars knew exactly how destabilizing they would be, and how much profits they could generate as a result of the invasions and the instability. They also knew they could operate in lawless zones without the need for proper tracking of their activities.</p>
<p>They made gobs of money.</p>
<p>And now they have their greedy eyes set on Iran, where the desired result is remarkably similar to what they created in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll make gobs more money, and America will go deeper in debt to them.</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-64002</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested there&#039;s a good sale on soviet era Afghan war rugs at ecarpet gallery (located in Canada) &amp; attractive asking prices on both semi antique &amp; contemporary Afghan tribal rugs, although they seem to have gone up about 20-30% in the last yr, they&#039;re way below retail. Karzi &amp; NATO unfortunately don&#039;t seem  able to secure the Chicken Street markets well enough to allow direct export of rugs from Kabal. Seems most of that trade still comes through Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested there&#8217;s a good sale on soviet era Afghan war rugs at ecarpet gallery (located in Canada) &amp; attractive asking prices on both semi antique &amp; contemporary Afghan tribal rugs, although they seem to have gone up about 20-30% in the last yr, they&#8217;re way below retail. Karzi &amp; NATO unfortunately don&#8217;t seem  able to secure the Chicken Street markets well enough to allow direct export of rugs from Kabal. Seems most of that trade still comes through Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1096/afghanistan-is-falling/#comment-63985</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cee, fyi: the general you heard on CNN was Brig Gen David Grange</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cee, fyi: the general you heard on CNN was Brig Gen David Grange</p>
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