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Open Thread * Nocturnal Warrior is off tonight

By SusanUnPC on January 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM in Open Thread

This is so mean of me, but I promise I’ll go out and find more, um, balanced coverage. (Really! I don’t want to see any exploding heads here!) I’m hoping to piece together some of the thoughtful pro and con reactions to Hillary today. I just forced myself to listen to Christopher Hitchens rant on about Hillary. Poor Lannie Davis. God almighty.

What poisoned that man’s mind?!?!?!? Oh, let me guess what you’re going to say.


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  • James

    What is wrong with this man? He argues like a drunk when he speaks about the Clintons. Where does the hatred come from? Get a life, Hitchens. You are insane and delusional. Find something more productive to do with your life.

  • Linda C.

    Christopher Hitchens is usually drunk.

  • cathnealon

    Hitchens doesn’t believe in God he believes in alcohol–talk about religion making people delusional.

  • Gabriele Droz

    Susan and Larry,

    I just want to congratulate you for taking second place in the 2008 “Best Political Coverage” Blog Awards.

    That’s just awesome, especially since Daily Kos has been diminished to what it really is in the rankings this year – toppled from the top to where it belongs.

    I guess its 200,000 plus subscribers couldn’t get themselves to go over there to vote.

    Serves them well. The Confluence, too, that horrible PUMA Site did really well, and it looks like Uppity Woman’s new blog is second.

    I hope all is well with you and your health Susan. I haven’t been active writing, but I want you to know that I am a faithful reader here every day.

    It just tickles me to death to see the Big Orange’s downfall into somewhat of an irrelevance. Haven’t noticed any recent media coverage of Markos lately. Hats off to you and Larry. Love ya.

    • Gabriele Droz

      BTW, just in case you don’t remember, I’m the wildlife rehabilitator/educator from the past, and ardent Clark/Hillary supporter.

      • Dawnelle

        I was a Clarkie too! I remember your name from CCN. :-)

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      GABRIELE! How nice to see you here!

      Yes, we are very pleased with second place! We had no chance of winning after Wonkette put her pliant slaves to work defeating us and Uppity Woman.

      It was quite astonishing. She told people to vote for that other site that won over Uppity solely because she liked the name of the blog. She didn’t even check out the blog! Her behavior makes a mockery of the entire event.

      Imho, these awards should be like the Oscars and Emmys. Only qualified, active bloggers should be able to vote for other bloggers. Just like, with the Oscars and Emmys, only members of the industry can vote. That way, you won’t have any Tom, Dick or Harry voting a hundred times a day simply to make points with Wonkette, who probably doesn’t even care that they exist.

      But, I’m just so glad to see you here!

      Yes, Daily Kos was nominated in at least three categories, and did poorly in all. They drove off too many people with the crude behavior that is allowed there.

      • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

        Daily Kos won a 3rd and 4th place. HuffPo won a 4th place.

        No Quarter won second place for Best Political Coverage beating Daily Kos, Politico, Townhall and Politico. The Confluence won third place for Best Liberal Blog beating Digby, Think Progress, Sadly No, Brad Blog, Orcinus, Truthdig, Taylor Marsh, Shakesville, Crooks and Liars and Glenn Greenwald. Uppity Women won second place for Best New Blog. Deadenders won second place for Best Hidden Gem.

        AmericaBlog, Firedoglake, OpenLeft, Tapped, Booman Tribune, et al were not even nominated.

        PUMA and Glenn Greenwald are the new progressive blogosphere. We beat him and gave him to idea to criticize Obama but we’ll be nice.

        • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

          OF COURSE, I said that eight months ago.

          April 21, 2008: Clinton bloggers are the new progressive blogosphere

          Give it up, boy bloggers. What will make us less mad is if you convince Obama supporters to stop the sexism, double standards, media/netroots bias and hypocrisy. If you don’t say stupid stuff, we don’t report it. Isn’t that what blogs used to do? The original purpose of blogs was to counter the MSM.

  • rolling_thunder

    GO LANNIE. Lannie was spot on ol’ chap fellow guest. Lannie just redeemed himself with Hill supporters from the time he drank the kool aid after the primaries. :lol:

    • Dawnelle

      personally I was quite stunned at the depth and breath of Hillary’s knowledge of ALL things current in the world

      she makes Bambi look like a cub scout

      omg and did anyone else wish they could wipe the SMUG off of Kerry’s kisser!

      He was so green he was oozing goo

      • FranSC

        The only thing that stunned me about Hillary today is that she isn’t President-Elect. I simply cannot wrap my mind around the fact she is NOT. With each passing day, it doesn’t get any easier to accept. She is simply amazing!

        As far as Kerry – don’t understand what was meant by his “smug” could not be wiped off. I couldn’t get over how patronizing he was of Hillary and Chelsea IN LIGHT of his blatant, early (January 2008) support of BO and backstabbing Hillary. Also, the fact that the only position Kerry wanted and reportedly asked for was SoS. He did pretty well as a ‘quick-change artist’ as well as hiding his disappointment.

  • CG

    I was in the audience, in the third row closest to Hitchens on this night. He gave my guests and me the finger twice as we challenged nearly everything he said with boos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTrzZLM0Tm4 There is only one thing which I could agree, Bush’s “eyes were so close together that he could get by with a monocle.”

    • pa voter

      Thanks for posting this link. Things like this help me keep my sanity. I’ve bookmarked it to view again and again as needed.

      Good job to you and your friends. There ought to be people like yourselves at every appearance Hitchens makes. I can’t stand the guy.

      Great post, Susan, and thanks for posting the video you did. I’m glad I missed it on MSNBC (I don’t watch that channel). How that guy (or anyone for that matter) can criticize HRC on her FP experience while not questioning Obama’s experience (in anything) is to me, the epitome of stupidity and not worthy of being taken seriously.

      Congrats to NQ for coming in second!

  • CG

    Congratulations on weblog award NQ!!

  • fif

    Christopher Hitchens also had a pathological hatred for Mother Theresa. I don’t understand how these people are taken seriously. What have you done to serve the public Big Mouth?

  • stodgie

    i don’t take hitchens seriously. he sold what sense of integrity he “might” have had when he moved to the usa and fell in love with hating clinton. then he threw in mother theresa just to make sure that we knew who he was. it is hard to be candid and on target with you prefer the company of jack daniels.

    • beebop

      He makes Jaba the Hutt look attractive, doesn’t he?

  • stodgie

    oh and before i forget congrats to no quarter for their second place win. i will say that the discussion is interesting and often has points here that you can’t find in other discussions. the group that comes is varied and the points of view are heartfelt.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Conrats to all of the staff at NQ and SusanunPc and Mr. Johnson for a job well done a second place well earned.

    You have added much to so many lives.

  • Peggy Sue

    Exactly what good works has Shuster or Hitchens done in the world? It seems to me their main claim to fame is taking potshots at targets they’ve decided do not deserve any public recognition, in this case the Clintons.

    I have to say I’m impressed by Lannie Davis, who has remained a loyal and steadfast friend to Hillary [unlike many others who were only too willing to throw her to the wolves].

    When I hear Hitchens speak about Bill & Hill, I’m reminded of Dick Morris, whose hatred obliterates everything else he might offer up. And where is Hitchens’ glowing spiel for Obama and his judgment in the matter? I thought he was an “O” supporter [though I suspected that was sheer nonsense from the start].

    I’m getting so sick and tired of these carping windbags!

  • KendallJ

    I wish Lanny would grow a backbone. He must suck as a lawyer. He always lets his opponent frame the issue, and get the first and last word!!! Biggest mistake you can make, oral advocancy 101. He really has to toughen up!

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    The comments at Salon are hilarious! PUMA circa June 2008!

    Glenn Greenwald or PUMA?:

    You don’t speak for anyone but yourself. You certainly don’t speak for everyone under 30 or whatever you think the magic age is. It’s quite unnatural for youth and reverence for political figures to go hand in hand. The cult-like worship for authority which is your only perspective is quite characteristic of the older people you scorn.

    And what you’re yearning for is the same thing that people for generations and generations have been desperate for: a powerful and all-Good leader who will lead you into Light and Harmony. It’s what drives all religions and cults. It’s fine that you need it so badly — you’re hardly alone — but it’s really a bit much listening to you depict it as some brand new phenomenon that only The Young can understand. There’s nothing new about it.

    He already received a special Salon banning service for his own “safe space”:

    Making that happen is now my number one priority — I expect this ability will be in place very shortly. It will improve things dramatically.

    Of course I’m “concerned.” During the campaign, he repeatedly used the standard language for threatening an attack when talking about Iran’s nuclear program.

    Do you think – notwithstanding Obama’s prior commitments — that it’s basically impossible that Obama would attack Iran, even if they seem close to acquiring a nuclear weapon? If so, what accounts for that impossibility?

    You’re an idiot.

    We know how you feel, Glenn.

    I know I shouldn’t be, but I nonetheless am amazed at how many people think that Obama should never be criticized, and that anyone who does so, regardless of the merits of the criticism, is being bad.

    He’s about to become the most powerful political figure in the world – certainly one of them. His approval ratings are around 70%. The reverence directed towards him in some circles is unlike anything since what George Bush received circa 2002. And yet that’s not enough. He must not be spoken ill of — ever. Even if you praise him one day for something, if you criticize him for something else the next, that is blasphemy.

    I honestly find it nothing short of creepy, really. For those whose stomach gets queasy when reading anything that criticizes him, this is not a place to come. Just save yourselves the heartache. In 9 days, just go here, and you’ll see all the praise and hagiography your little hearts desire: WhiteHouse.gov

    Just indulge my suggestion for a second: Call up a mental health professional — just pick one randomly from the phone book.

    Thanks for providing the proof — just in case people didn’t believe me — that people really do use these empty platitudes to demand that Obama not be criticized. No circular firing squads. A penny saved is a penny earned. Yes we can.

    What we’ve actually had is too little questioning of the President, too much blind support for him, too much power and trust placed in him and the apparatuses he controls that they know what’s best, are doing the right thing, are telling us what we need to know and no more.

    For the people who show up here constantly to say how awful and irrelevant what’s written here is, I believe your actions speak a lot louder than your words.

    TPM criticism: Could you point me to some of that?

    I know that whenever I criticize Obama, I hear from many people — in comments, by email and elsewhere — that Obama shouldn’t be criticized because to do so is to tear him down, help the Republicans, create a circular firing squad on the Left, etc. etc. It happens every time. Anyone who writes and criticizes Obama has the same reaction. There are people making that argument in today’s thread and in the ones from the last two days.

    Of course, he was called racist and a Republican.

  • Fredster

    Well it only seems natural that Shuster would have Hitchens on when discussing anything regarding the Clintons.

    He gives drunken Englishmen a bad name.

  • http://baddemocrat08.wordpress.com obamastolemyboyfriend

    The horrific is happening. We cannot let them do this:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hj111-5

  • Elle

    Hitchens quest for transparency is a complete joke.
    There is no equipment deep enough to dig through the muddy water that Bambi has left everywhere with his unethical way to the white house .