In an interesting and short book (The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism), Andrew J. Bacevich addresses what he sees as the self-reinforcing American crises in profligacy, politics and the military. In the section on politics, he states that modern presidents have come to distrust the “national security apparatus,” which consists of governmental agencies and officials who are supposed to advise on issues of security.

No one has been more attuned to the defects of the national security state than the client for whom it was created. Here is a great irony: Over the last several decades, presidents have come to view the national security apparatus not as an aid but as an impediment in decision making. More often than not, presidents come into office wary of any advice that these institutions might have on offer, suspecting that it is anything but disinterested. Those not already educated in the ways of Washington quickly learn that institutions nominally subordinate to executive authority pursue their own agendas and will privilege their own purposes over those of whoever happens to occupy the White House.
For those who occupy the inner circle of power, the national security state is an obstacle to be evaded rather than an asset to be harnessed.

Read the rest ->

If this is the case for one area of government, couldn’t it also be the case for others? Do presidents trust agencies of the federal government? I suppose a president who distrusts the organization around him has, essentially, two choices:

1) Fill all possible slots with friends and/or flunkies.
2) Fill slots as necessary for political cover and set up a more loyal organization outside of official channels.

GWB seemed to choose door number one. Cheney used both options but used the second option quite a bit (energy panel, anyone?). What will Obama do? Well, he chose a lot of “Clintonistas” for cabinet positions, but whether or not he’ll rely on them remains to be seen. In the meantime, Obama has also added some “czars” to his staff.

A “car czar.” According to NYT, the car czar’s role will be to oversee and shepherd the automobile industry’s revamping.

A regulatory czar. According to the WSJ, the regulatory czar will have some interesting responsibilities.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard Law School professor who pioneered efforts to design regulation around the ways people behave, will be named the Obama administration’s regulatory czar, a transition official said Wednesday.

Obama will also have a special counterterrorism advisor who was not acceptable to Congress as CIA chief. CBSnews had this snippet:

Brennan, who has led Obama’s intelligence-transition team, was originally a leading candidate to head the CIA, but withdrew his name from consideration after critics accused him of supporting the Bush Administration’s harsh interrogation techniques.

Brennan also served as the first director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) and will be part of Obama’s National Security Council and will be the point man for all counterterrorism issues.

A climate czar. The Washington Times, talking about the background of the appointee described the job.

Mr. Obama, who has said action on climate change would be a priority in his administration, tapped Mrs. Browner last month to fill a new position as White House coordinator of climate and energy policies. The appointment does not need Senate confirmation.

Now, Obama has already nominated Lisa Jackson to head EPA. According to

We expect to hear questions this morning about if and how Lisa Jackson, the former top environmental official in New Jersey now nominated to head the Environmental Protection Agency, plans to use the Clean Air Act to regulate carbon emissions. We expect to hear questions about the administration’s broader climate-change plans for Los Angeles Deputy Mayor Nancy Sutley, nominated to lead the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

Why should Congress worry about what Jackson might or might do about climate change if there will be a Climate czar? Will she be an agency head without portfolio?

Now, why would Obama not rely on EPA for work on climate change? Why not rely on Commerce for help with the auto industry? As a practical matter, who do these czars report to? Will they have their own staff? If a local government or, heaven forbid, a citizen wants help on climate change, who ya gonna call? Whose paperwork are you going to fill out and who will be accountable to you? When the office of the czar inevitably points a finger at an existing agency and the agency points to the czar, what will get done?

A czar is one thing, but how about a political apparatus devoted to a person rather than a party? What if that group of people could be used in many different ways – as dictated by necessity? Today’s LATImes has a very interesting story about the new Committee to Re-Elect the President. I kid you not.

As Barack Obama builds his administration and prepares to take office next week, his political team is quietly planning for a nationwide hiring binge that would marshal an army of full-time organizers to press the new president’s agenda and lay the foundation for his reelection.

The organization, known internally as “Barack Obama 2.0,” is being designed to sustain a grass-roots network of millions that was mobilized last year to elect Obama and now is widely considered the country’s most potent political machine.
The plan could prompt tensions with members of Congress, who are unlikely to welcome the idea of Obama’s political network targeting them from within their own districts. Already, Democratic Party officials on the state level worry that it could become a competing political force that revolves around the president’s ambitions while diminishing the needs of down-ballot Democrats.

Though the plan still is emerging, one source with knowledge of the internal discussion said the organization could have an annual budget of $75 million in privately raised funds. Another said it would deploy hundreds of paid staff members — possibly one for every congressional district in certain politically important states and even more in larger battlegrounds such as Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina.
In what would be another unprecedented step, Obama’s political staff is deciding whether to create a service organization that would use the vast corps of its grass-roots campaign supporters. As described by one source knowledgeable with the discussions, this nonprofit arm would be used to help victims of natural disasters, but would do so under the Obama umbrella while continuing to build the overall network’s massive e-mail database.

The prospect of a president being able to guide a service or relief agency outside the framework of his government is a unique development.

No kidding that’s a new thing. So, benevolent leader and/or his minions will come swooping down after the F5 tornado and hand out trailers instead of FEMA? Wanna take bets on whether the Obama trailers or the FEMA trailers will be better???

Is this the “service corps” BO mentioned during the campaign? Would serving on the Obamacorps count toward service hours for students required to do such things? Ok that’s worth discussing on its own. From the website:

As the new administration takes shape, Barack Obama and Joe Biden will call on Americans from every walk of life to serve. President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and will create new service organizations to meet the nation’s challenges head on. . .

They’ll set a goal that all middle school and high school students engage in 50 hours of community service a year, and develop a plan for all college students who engage in 100 hours of community service to receive a fully-refundable tax credit of $4,000 for their education. Obama and Biden will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

But, just what is PEBO creating here? In addition to his agency nominees, he is filling out “advisor / czar” positions that clearly shadow responsibilities of those agency chiefs. That’s at least a duplication of effort. So, do the agencies no longer address those issues or is their advice simply disregarded? Who will Obama listen to during the inevitable policy disagreements and/or turf fights between his climate czar and EPA chief Jackson? Who will have Obama’s ear on counterterrorism? Will the CIA and Panetta have a place at the table, or will Brennan be the go-to guy? And who will quit first?

Are all these czars proof that Obama does not trust agency people and intends to create his own information channels? Wouldn’t that be a major breakdown in government?

And WTH is this political apparatus he’s building going to do?

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  • HOLY MOLY, kgirl! Thanks for the link. Wasn’t Obama supposed to make the world love us again?

  • kgirl1028

    Did anyone see the burning of obama’s picture on savagepolitics besides me? I thought the Muslim world was going to be so impressed with Obama. Not to sterotype, but i really feel there were pocket’s of white americans that thought if we elected someone with a muslim back groud they were going to be down with the homies. That radicals would stop attacking us. Instead it seem to me they think Obama is a traitor. If anything happens to this country, i am going to be really tempted to play slap an obama supporter.

  • trixta

    [Also, for your enjoyment I recommend the following films:
    BEING THERE, and

    I’m afraid what GWB couldn’t accomplish or finish domestically, BO will try to do.

    • Zeke

      You left out, “The Parallax View.”

      • Thanks! I haven’t seen THE PARALLAX VIEW but have heard about it. Can’t wait to check it out!

        BTW,I also left out ZELIG. (No conspiracy film, just weirdly funny about an omnipresent chameleon character—reminds me of Obama and his rise to his celebrity presidency.)

        • Murray

          Whatever happened to “Wag the Dog?” I haven’t seen it in stores in years.

  • Anon

    I can’t believe that this O-hole hasn’t even been inagurated yet and I am already sick of him. Already it seems like it has been at least an entire year of his presidency. I was never a fan of W, but I never despised him like I do O. I can’t believe that this is going on in the USA.

  • trixta

    Has anyone seen the Canadian B-movie THE TROJAN HORSE? I don’t know what year the movie went into production, but the movie is out in video stores now. It’s uncanny how the movie parallels some of what went down this past election year.

  • rolling_thunder

    Here’s a couple things that may have been scrubbed. Obama in Rev Wrights audience clapping at the “did him dirty” speech.

    Analyzing Effect of Obama’s Speech on Race in

    March 18,2008
    Obama calls his pastors remarks appalling
    March 14 2008-standing in the audience


  • rolling_thunder

    Here’s some old comments from Foreigners.

    As a Canadian who has lived in your great country three different times let me give you the view of millions of Canadians.
    If Americans think for one mega -second that Obama is your shinny knight and will be the leader to take on the vast world problems you are all dreaming in color. He will not be able to “speech’ his way out when dealing with the lunatics around the globe. WAKE UP! WE ARE YOUR CLOSEST ALLY AND WE ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF HIM

    Hello, Here in Switzerland we tightly follow the US elections. Most of the people here are scared by the fact someone with such a little experience in politics could run the most powerful contry in the world. The most common advice is : “Elect Hillary Clinton and take Barack Obama as vice-president, then next time, Obama will be ready to take power”. Personnaly I also agree that Obama doesn’t have enough experience to rule our world…Thank you Americans for all the passion you put in this election and for the excellent media coverage 🙂

    Posted by: Régis | Mar 5, 2008 9:40:59 AM

  • rolling_thunder

    Remember this?

    I’m searching for the quote in question in my files. I doubt I’ll find it. I was one of the first people to be threatened. My phone was tapped on a daily basis and I reported it to the phone company of which they verified it and I had to change my number.
    I then got scared for myself and my family and deleted a bunch of precious files that I have yet to see since.
    To this day I do not call on blogtalk or disclose about myself.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Amazing writing LisaB.

    I so despise the term ‘Czar’, as it relates to our Republic. It has a vey communistic ring to it.

    I see lines of authority being undermined to the point where our “representatonal” form of government is a mere facade. Just like BO.

    • socalannie

      Well said Teak.

      Thanks for this article LisaB, can’t wait to share with my Mom.

  • OK, here’s the million dollar question –

    We know there are Obots who lost their minds over Obama, but I honestly do not feel they are in any way a majority of the population. I believe most people who voted for Obama were soft supporters who were jus sick of Bush.

    Also, Obama won because many hardcore conservatives stayed home.

    The question – If Obama tried to become dictator, do you think most Americans would stand for it? Or would he have a sizable resistance?

    I am certainly not suggesting “it can’t happen here.” But I cannot imagine our military actually going along with a dictatorship. Far too many of them are patriots who are in the military precisely because they believe in the American value of freedom.

    • TeakwoodKite

      If Obama tried to become dictator, do you think most Americans would stand for it? Or would he have a sizable resistance?

      I get the “dirty harry” tingle. Answer:Yes.

      • oowawa

        I could be wrong, but I think “the dirty Harry tingle” is the Yes answer to the second part of the question, “would he have a sizable resistance?”

        The answer to the first part of the question, “If Obama tried to become dictator, do you think many Americans would stand for it?” would also be Yes. Let’s call that “the enraptured Tweety tingle.”

        • TeakwoodKite

          oowawa, right you are correct on the second part.

          But on the former…they won’t be standing when it happens. LOL

      • Zeke

        If he has a “legal” right to do what he does, there is little to stop him short of doing that thingy those folks did back around 1861 and then doing next to the impossible, and succeeding. Seriously, my friend, how do you view the collective understanding in this country of right and wrong?
        When huge percentages of college students admit to cheating to get through school to acquire degrees with actual knowledge accumulation equivalent to a high school degree in 1965…
        When bankers think nothing of stealing literally everything…
        He’ll do it and they’ll lobve him for it…

        • Do you think they will round up all the rednecks and put them in concentration camps?

        • TeakwoodKite

          Zeke, the folks on the downward spiral can’t see star from the galaxy.

          I agree with you on your point. However, since BO is going to swear an oath on this mans bible, he had better take heedas his Karma precedes him.

          I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war



          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed

      • rolling_thunder

        Most people won’t recognize it. It will be wrapped nicely and peddled off as social programs and ahhhhhhh you know how he operates. He makes no sense to anyone but himself and his handlers.

      • Andrew P

        I think that in places like Utah, Idaho, and Alaska there would be organised, mass resistance at all levels of society and government. Probably nowhere else.

  • Zeke

    Perhaps the MSM’s understanding of “Tip of the Iceberg” will alter when they discover that it is the intent of The Kenyan to fit the Entire Iceberg up our collective ass.
    The “tip” might have been a reaming deemed acceptable to the ones who helped this beast win out of race guilt but as the Berg works its insidious way upward, even they will start feeling the chill.
    Dare I say, “Too Late!”

  • arran

    “Monster in the Room” can be found in the noquarter archives.

  • socalannie

    It sounds like O is going to have the biggest, most expensive government ever. He isn’t even sworn in yet & he’s already power-mad. This country is getting scarier every year.

    • PKJayne

      Amen Socal.

  • arran

    rolling thunder–I found a May 23, ’08 post about Ayers and others promoting an “education debt” to pay back 400 years of slavery:

    “The ‘Monster in the Room’: Does Obama Support Reparations” by Steve Diamond.

    • rolling_thunder

      No it was a direct quote from Obama on his ‘plans’ for his second term right when the primaries began. It was about blacks over throwing the gov’t and getting blacks in office and well it sounds dumb but I think there is more to it like changing the national anthem and the constitution. All I can say is he can’t get blood from a turnip and with all the broke and sick people I guess they are of no use so they’ll have to be shipped off to the camps.

  • arran

    rolling thunder–I was “vetting” Obama in Feb.’08 and didn’t come across this story. Will you try to remember more about how he plans to “strip us of our rights”? Does it have anything to do with amending the Constitution?

    • jbjd

      Maybe you would have but, it was scrubbed just before you got there. (How many stories you intended to re-visit were gone by the time you went back? When did you realize these stories were being scrubbed?)

      • oowawa

        The Scrubbers Vs. the Vetters. An interesting book could sure come out of that topic.

    • AF catfish

      Seriously, rolling thunder can you rack your brain and try to remember? He’s emanating that creepy dictator vibe is emanating again and we should probably be aware.

    • rolling_thunder

      I hate to say it but It had something to do with reparations and stripping whites. It had to do with making blacks, how do you say, infiltrate government and all and ruling over all. I wish I could remember some specifics but things were moving so fast and most of the info was horrifying that to distinguish one from the other took time we didn’t have. I know I just never forgot the story quoted by Obama even though I don’t remember the details. Point being that he has a planned agenda that we won’t see until his second term if he gets that far. I distinctly remember that he said he was going to play by the rules in his first term so people will let their guard down. Frankly, I don’t see how he can wait 4 years since he is the most impatient person I have seen in years.
      At the time of reading it, I thought he’d never get in, so I moved on, as things were changing rapidly and minute to minute in Hillary camapaign.

      • AF catfish

        The NYT reported on his law teaching days – in one semester-long project, he asked students to figure out and document how something like reparations could be implemented, how could it get passed into law? He didn’t ask whether it should be passed.

        He also advocated, well technically “assigned” a paper arguing for boys-only schools for black kids. It said nothing about girls.

      • AF catfish

        rolling thunder, do you remember where this article was published (before scrubbing.)

        “I distinctly remember that he said he was going to play by the rules in his first term so people will let their guard down.” Creepy.

        • rolling_thunder

          No. It’s impossible to remember where I found the quote or else I would have fished it out long ago since it’s been on my mind from time to time.

        • rolling_thunder

          could have been here where I saw the quote.

    • AF catfish

      I know – in his second term, he wants to merge all the countries together and he’ll be president of earth.

      • rolling_thunder

        No it wasn’t about the world, it was about blacks ruling whites. That’s Racists!

    • rolling_thunder

      I ran across some horrifying things before they were scrubbed and if I mentioned them, people thought I was nuts. Now it all comes out in plain daylight and you know I wasn’t nuts. I was screaming vote fraud too and fellow Hill supporters were drilling me and thinking I had a screw loose. ‘Even got banned from a Hillary site for it. I do not incite fear or propaganda. We are in for a hell of a ride. What appears to be a swell cabinet is only an appearance. It’s not reality. He has the Clintonistas for appeasing the masses and his little czar groups which are his true workers as stated in this article. He is definitely up to something that has been planned far in advance. And we all know what it is. If the courts have the petition as of January 6, 2009 to do away with Presidential term limits, then fill in the remaining blanks.
      As the article here says, youth and seniors will be providing required to work for free. community service. But not in those exact words.
      This all is planned. Take when NObama said during the primaries that he’ll be President for 10 years. We all laughed and thought he was tripping over his words again. Crazy like a fox? He is bought and paid for.
      Why else would he be so non-chalantly fixing to spend at least a trillion more dollars for Big Biz? Because everything we make will go to the gov’t? Dunno. It sounds far-fetched but everything about this guy and his dealings are beyond anything we have ever witnessed.
      We don’t know if Hillary was forced into SoS or she willingly took it. She found out she was SoS from a newspaper. And we don’t know if Bill is being threatened to have his personal business revealed, which no one wants done to them.

      • She looks worn out lately. She is not doing what she wants to do! She did not look this way during the Primary. She looked awesome, energetic, young, vibrant. She was doing what she loved. not anymore.

    • Zeke

      He will do it by implementing the “Emergency Powers Act.”

      United States Code Annotated
      Title 50. War and National Defense
      Chapter 35. International Emergency Economic Powers

      To quote the women who followed the Union Army under Gen. Hooker:

      “We are fucked.”

      • oowawa

        I like these analogies drawn from actual history.

  • rolling_thunder

    correction*I mean Feb 2008

  • rolling_thunder

    I read back in Feb. 2007 before all the ‘scrubbing’ that BHO was going to enact his ‘agenda’ in the second term when he won the confidence of the people over by playing it right in the first term. Then he would let it rip in the second term. Now how does a nobody from nowhere who hadn’t even won the primaries think in such broad terms. His agenda was so shocking I blocked it out of my mind. It runs along the lines of complete and utter chaos and a stripping of our rights.

    And a freebie for those who were curious about the book by HG WELLS but didn’t want to spend the money on the book. New World Order.,M1

  • AF catfish


  • This is creepy — MOB psychology — using mass indoctrination techniques (without the approval of the suckers involved).

    Taking over — this is what the Obamacrat party does — to hell with other people opinions.

    It is so damned communist — working TOGETHER in the fields — Cooperative gardens/farms/buildings. Reporting anyone who does not — cooperate with Der great messiahs every wish.

    Hell — the 50 hours could be used to harass anyone (blogs) who don’t fall on their knees to THE ONE.

    This is NOT good — people are easily brainwashed — and he is already using psychological manipulation to force his way into the white house.

    I did not like bush — I was part of the minority who NEVER gave him my approval. I do not like 0-zero and I’ll be damned if I will lift a finger to aid his delusional, narcissistic, pathological rages.

    Anyone who voted for Obama is a sexist pig — and anyone who supports the jerk is the same.

  • oowawa

    Mr. Obama must have lots of money to be able to do all this stuff.

    • CG

      It is said that Mr. Obama has a reserve of $30,000,000 (left over from the campaign), but I’m guessing there is more than that left over. Most of his foot soldiers don’t get paid, you know all his buddies from the liberal and conservative media who’ve been meeting secretly with him (on the condition that it is off the record), and all the others who’ve never gotten a dime for expert advice and unswerving support, and then you’ve got MoveOn, and then there is the millions of kool-aid drinking obots who’ll do the dirty work because they get an email from the historic candidate, and that’s an email they won’t delete.

      • PKJayne

        The man employed three hundred foreighn advisors……lmao. Oh dear we are in trouble.

        • Ferd Berfle

          And those 300 together couldn’t make a single HRC. LMAO

          • PKJayne

            She was fantastic when I saw her on CSPAN.

      • oowawa

        It is said that Mr. Obama has a reserve of $30,000,000 (left over from the campaign), but I’m guessing there is more than that left over

        Gosh, or should I say Gawrsh, I wonder how he’ll spend it? Probably give it to the DNC so it can be distributed to Democrat Congressional candidates. Or, that much money would buy lots of hot lunches for inner city schoolkids! Whatever he decides, I’m sure he’ll use the money to serve the best interests of the average citizens of this country.

        • PKJayne

          oowawa I seem to remember a lot of grumbling from downticket Dems because Barry was NOT sharing the wealth.

          • oowawa

            Well, now that he has won and doesn’t need it any more, I’m sure he’ll generously open his coffers to the needy candidates. (I’m about to gag on my own snark.)

            • PKJayne

              lmao, there is a long but distinguished dead to me Dems list…….they won’t learn

  • pieces of you

    Isn’t his grassroots, volunteer orgainzation kind of falling apart?

    So, how does it stand to be mobilized when it doesn’t have the apparatus of long term government talent behind it?

    • Zeke

      “So, how does it stand to be mobilized when it doesn’t have the apparatus of long term government talent behind it?”
      By doing what we warned everyone about at the start…
      The manual is already written and The Kenyan knows it inside out. I said he was going to take over. Nobody saw it that way.
      Oh fucking joy, I was right.
      This beast is evil…
      He’s just getting started
      Anyone who fail to recognize this is fooling himself.

      • PKJayne

        Zeke I have to agree. All this and the news story yesterday about the ammendment to the constitution to do away with term limits is, well, frightening.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Evening, PK: I doubt it will happen. Amendments are difficult o pass through Congress and even more difficult to get through the state legislatures. I’m more concerned about how bad he may screw up our way of life.

          • Zeke

            You’re my man, but buddy, how many times do we need to say “I doubt if it will happen,” before we start noticing that its happening?

            • PKJayne

              Evening Ferd!!!!!!!

              Yeah the weirdest things have been happening as of late.

            • oowawa

              how many times do we need to say “I doubt if it will happen,” before we start noticing that its happening?

              The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
              The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

            • rolling_thunder

              Exactly! 😀

            • We thought our votes actually counted in the Primary, too. We found out the dems would get what they wanted when they wanted and it and piss on us. We should not take for granted the Obama.

    • lorac

      pieces of you: “Isn’t his grassroots, volunteer orgainzation kind of falling apart? ”

      Personal experience of bots, and also seeing the videos that people made showing their ignorance of what Obama stood for, have made me think that most of them know nothing about politics or the issues, and only voted for him because of his color. They may be interested in another round of mass hyteria/group mast*rbation in 2012, but I highly doubt they intend to be “engaged” for the next four years. There will be *some*, but not most, I don’t think. Those more likely to be engaged are the liberals who are feeling horrified right now by all of his flip flops, which may be what you’re alluding to.

      • Ani

        Are they feeling horrified, Lorac? Are you really hearing that from the ground somewhere? It would be nice if those rumblings were growing, since he has thrown them under the bus. But what I see is still plenty to people justifying whatever he does — whether out of sheepishness as much as anything else.

        I have read some stuff to this effect but then saw another article today saying Gays were getting ready to celebrate his inauguration — really? Even with Warren and Kaine??? Very surprising.

        Anecdotes welcome…

      • PKJayne

        lorac, you have that right…..pass the hopium bong. Meet your new Emporer.

  • arran

    This action (re-election forces) under the present economic crisis is BO’s Katrina fly-over.

  • arran

    Ah, damn, sounds to me like a Bush 3rd term!

    People are hurting: loss jobs, homes, and retirement accounts and BO is setting up a re-election force?! I want to read about help to and for the people, and NOW!

    In addition, when the Iraqi troops aren’t beginning to be withdrawn by May 2010, you can kiss a second-term good-bye, Barack.

  • CG

    Great post. MoveOn received the memo from Obama and are organizing and training their volunteers on how to put pressure on their representatives and senators to support Obama’s agenda. It is really scary. The resistance has to mobilize now, I fear, because it seems like most don’t see the big scenario playing out, and they are taking gulps of the new and improved formula of Kool-Aid. It’s ironic to think that the super delegates who supported Obama are now being threatened by the grass roots supporters to pass Obama’s aggressive agenda or else.

  • rolling_thunder

    pioneered efforts to design regulation around the ways people behave, will be named the Obama administration’s regulatory czar

    Regulating people’s behavior? Like in North Korea?

    I think this czar stuff is his setting up his minions for the inevitable and dare I say what that is but just study Hitler. Connecting the dots with the case in the courts to do away with presidential term limits all points to what we suspected during the primaries. He’s getting ready to dictate. OMG. Dems in congress set this up. First create an economical meltdown, then take over the people and be dictator. OMG.
    If Bush never was president, this wouldn’t be happening now.
    When his family from Kenya go to the inauguration, do you think they’ll go back home when it’s over or stay as illegals and live in the whitehouse? {snark}

    • oowawa

      We have learned that some folks consider it rude, even paranoid, to mention the President Elect in the same paragraph as Adolph Hitler. We can get around that by referring to “that guy who lived in Germany, or AH. Like: O reminds me of AH. That’s OK.

      • Texas Playwright

        Obama, Hitler. Hitler, Obama. Keep watching how the similarities add up.

        • kgirl1028

          It not so much that Obama acts like Hilter it just that his Bots and minions act like nazi’s.

      • I’m still a free American, for the time being anyway. I will compare Obama and Hitler all i want. He also likes to be compared to Lincoln and Kennedy. I like to say, Careful what you wish for. Those Presidencies didn’t end well. I’ll say what I want about Obama, even if it is unpopular!

        • Magic Puzzle Box

          The thing about Lincoln was that the Civil War started shortly after he was inaugurated, though the media comparisons between Lincoln and Obama like to highlight the unity they both supposedly stand for. I’m not sure the FDR one fares much better. What year did WWII start and when did FDR get elected? I need to look up some timelines on that.

          As for the desire to have middle school and high school age children doing community service, I do alot of volunteer work in the community, and we’ve discussed banning kids under 16 years of age from volunteering for our events because their behavior was so bad, they wouldn’t listen to instructions, backtalked if they didn’t like what you asked them to do, and one of our hosts felt so harassed by them that she requested they be removed from the event and asked not to return. The kids in question were 11 and maybe 13, and the 11-year-old just sat around filling out a form the attendees were supposed to fill out and didn’t do his job. When I pointed that out to him, I got reprimanded by his 13-year-old sister, and that was after the little darling nearly flew bodily through the glass doors because she was running around trying to jump and hit the top of the doorframe. It was a disaster to say the least. But they want to encourage more of this? My coworker with young children had an interesting reaction when I told her about the incident. She looked incredulously at me and said, “They actually thought an 11-year-old would be able to do that job?” She’s right, of course.

    • trixta

      “If Bush never was president, this wouldn’t be happening now.”

      Yes, once the fascist genie was let out of the bottle, it’s been impossible putting him back. I wish the moderate repubs and conservatives had put up a fight in 2000 against the neo-cons.

      Obama’s shadow government and civilian army are down right scary!

    • Andy Lewis

      the case in the courts to do away with presidential term limits

      This does not compute. Presidential term limits are in place due to a constitutional amendment. No court could overturn them, because those limits are now quite explicitly part of the Constitution itself.

      • Fredster
      • Magic Puzzle Box

        I specifically looked up this issue, and actually, there are a number of ways to overturn aspects of the Constitution, many of them quite easy, including merely a change in social custom. Term limits weren’t law until after FDR, so there’s really no reason why we couldn’t do away with them from a philosophical perspective. By the way. Don’t forget, Obama is a Constitutional lawyer, and if anyone knows its weaknesses, he does.

        • Magic Puzzle Box

          Here’s the link I read about this on: There are informal ways as well as the legal way of changing it. See what you think.

        • Andrew P

          Enough with the constitutional lawyer, already. Let’s see some examples of the cases he argued with constitutional issues and the law journal articles he published on them. I doubt that 0 knows any more about the Constitution’s “weaknesses” than Mechelle knows about fashion.

          And the term limits that “weren’t law until after FDR” actually weren’t law until a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT was approved by Congress and two-thirds of the states, as Andy Lewis mentioned above.