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What The Huck Is Going On? (With Other Friday Night Open Thread Profanities Allowed)

NOTE: See the UPDATE at end of the original.

Mike Huckabee is surging in the latest polls in KEY early states. “Huckabee is behind Mitt Romney by only one point in Iowa, and has also moved into third place in both New Hampshire and South Carolina,” reports TPM’s Election Central. Get this: Besides the Iowa poll (28% to 27%), the South Carolina poll is very, very tight: Giuliani gets 23%, Romney hangs on at 21%, and Huckabee is closing in at 18%.

It can’t be the TV campaign ad with Golden Boot-award-winning actor Chuck Norris. (Please tell me it’s not.)

By the way, you can also watch a “webisode” with Mike and Chuck at Gov. Huckabee’s official presidential campaign site. A “webisode” no less.

But, if you’re worried about a Huckabee surge, I’ve got the DIRT that’ll doom his campaign:

The “dirt” comes from an unlikely cranny — the elegant blog of Hendrik Hertzberg, senior editor and writer for The New Yorker. Here’s the opening to Hertzberg’s post about Huckabee’s campaign, “Pandering to the Bass, or Rock ’n’ Huck“:

One of several disarming things about Mike Huckabee, whom I followed around for a day in preparation for this week’s Comment, is that he likes rock ‘n’ roll. Likes it, knows it, and plays it: he’s been playing electric bass since he was in high school, and still plays it in his own middle-agers’ garage band, Capitol Offense, which has opened concerts for the likes of Willie Nelson and Percy Sledge. (To get gigs like that, it helps to be governor of your state.) …

Next, Hertzberg recounts his interview of Huckabee, in Seattle, about Jimi Hendrix and Paul Allen’s Experience Music Project.

Huckabee waxes on to Hertzberg about the origins of rock and its debt to blues music, and mentions the Rolling Stones.

Then it comes. Hertzberg’s dirt on the Baptist preacher:

Mention of the Stones brought to mind perhaps the single most disarming fact about Mike Huckabee: as governor of Arkansas, he pardoned Keith Richards.

This happened right at the end of Huckabee’s last term, about a year ago. The Stones had flashed through Little Rock on March 9, 2006, as part of their Bigger Bang tour. (Merle Haggard, not the Capitol Offense, was the opening act.) The Governor wangled a backstage pass. As he and Richards chatted, Richards reminded him that on a previous visit to the state, in 1975, he, Keith, had gotten busted for reckless driving. He’d tried unsuccessfully to persuade the judge that the cause of his swerve had been not recklessness but an urgent need to reach across his passenger, Ron Wood, in order to adjust the car radio. The fine was $162.50.

Huckabee, who was in college at the time, claims to remember hearing the news on the radio and thinking, “The Stones finally come to Arkansas and what do we do? We arrest them.” Backstage, he impulsively promised a pardon. Exactly eight months later, on November 9th, he delivered. “It’s a long process, pardoning,” he told Matt Taibbi, of Rolling Stone, recently. “It takes a lot of paperwork. And the funny thing is, people said to me afterwards, ‘Governor, you’ll do that for Keith Richards, but you wouldn’t do that for an ordinary person.’ And my answer to that is always, ‘Hey, if you can play guitar like Keith Richards, I’ll consider pardoning you, too.’ “ …

Mike Huckabee pardoned a drug-usin’, alcohol-guzzlin’, womanizin’ near-derelict? Who, I might add, was an “alien” visitor to the United States of America?

Let the righteous uproar begin.

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UPDATE, December 1, 2007: Via Michael Lafferty’s comment below, you’ll want to read this reality-check article and send it to your friends and relatives who’re smitten with Huckabee as a “fresh” face: “The dark side of Mike Huckabee” by a journalist who began covering Mike Huckabee in 1991. Here’s just a snippet:

[...]

Huckabee seems to love loot and has a dismissive attitude toward ethics, campaign finance rules and propriety in general. Since that first, failed campaign [16 years ago as an opponent to incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers], the ethical questions have multiplied.

In the 1992 contest with Bumpers, Huckabee used campaign funds to pay himself as his own media consultant. Other payments went to the family babysitter.

In his successful 1994 run for lieutenant governor, he set up a nonprofit curtain known as Action America so he could give speeches for money without having to disclose the names of his benefactors. He failed to report that campaign travel payments were for the use of his own personal plane.

After he became governor in 1996, he raked in tens of thousands of dollars in gifts, including gifts from people he later appointed to prestigious state commissions.

In the governor’s office, his grasp never exceeded his reach. Furniture he’d received to doll up his office was carted out with him when he left, after he’d crushed computer hard drives so nobody could ever get a peek behind the curtain of the Huckabee administration.

Until my paper, the Arkansas Times, blew the whistle, he converted a governor’s mansion operating account into a personal expense account, claiming public money for a doghouse, dry-cleaning bills, panty hose and meals at Taco Bell. He tried to claim $70,000 in furnishings provided by a wealthy cotton grower for the private part of the residence as his own, until he learned ethics rules prevented it. When a disgruntled former employee disclosed memos revealing all this, the Huckabee camp shut her up by repeatedly suggesting she might be vulnerable to prosecution for theft because she’d shared documents generated by the state’s highest official.

He ran the State Police airplane into the ground, many of the miles in pursuit of political ends. Inauguration funds were used to buy clothing for his wife. He once took control of the state Republican Party’s campaign account … READ ALL.

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  • Teaeopy

    I wonder what Huckabee will say if Ted Nugent asks to jam.

    They’d better leave Jimi Hendrix alone if they don’t want some voodoo-chile-style karma.

  • Teaeopy

    Guardians of the candidates*:

    I don’t have the power to cast spells, at least not that I know of. I just wanted to make that clear.

    Teaeopy

    *Since it’s likely that the corresponding agency googles their own name (it starts with S), I didn’t use it. I’d need to have powers of sorcery if I were to get renditioned.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Scene II Oval office Washington D.C.

    Bush: Well folks, I’ve got one more year to straighten out this mess..It’s my destiny..
    Any Suggestions..Condi?
    Cheeny: She’s not here George..she’s in Africa..
    Bush: Africa? Godness..we have a navy base there?
    Cheeny: You mean in Maryland..Sir..that’s not a Navy Baa..i mean sir..
    Bush: I like Army Vs. Navy Games.
    Staffer: sir that’s not in..
    Cheeny: Don’t bother explaining..
    Bush: Now get Condi on the horn…what is she doing in Africa?
    Staffer: ( under breathe) Screwing up another mission..
    Bush: Let’s get some Pysops on this Dick..
    Cheeny: Whaaaattt? mmmm.. well it could work.
    Bush: Worked for Chavez..god i love screwing with that guy..hahaaha
    Cheeny; hehehe.. that stuff is funny..remember Arafat?
    Laughter in the room
    Condi: Sir..Is that You?
    Bush: hahaha Condi..Condi..We need some black PysOps
    on your little mission..
    Condi: In Africa sir? But Sir..
    Bush: (laughter) Listen this could be great..Get me pysops on line 2
    Dick: I dunno..what’s the number?
    Staffer: ( under Breathe) jezus ..kill me now..please..
    Bush: Condi? you got a number? They’re your people..
    Condi: My People? Mr. President..what are you talking about?
    Bush; You know..black ops..like you..
    Cheeny: Found it! http://www.blackpysops4u.com
    Bush: oh..the Internet! Is that thing still around?
    Staffer: ( under Breathe) I’m Doomed
    Bush; Laura! Laura! grab me my rove doll ..we’ll be here for awhile!

    Fade to Black as the world’s most powerful men solve our most pressing issues gathered around the computer..

    Laura Bush: Gentleman..Cookies and milk time..
    Dick: Did you remember the scotch?

    • TeakwoodKite

      Prezels anyone? Burp, Belch.choking now.

      Staffer: ( under Breathe) I hope he finds those Minot nukes soon…. I have to take a leak.

    • Teaeopy

      The site is not written in Arabic or Farsi, so they should have no problem with it.

  • Michael Lafferty

    Cute story. All kidding aside, though…

    Governor Huckabee is rather like a folksy, rural Mayor Giuliani. He has repeatedly engaged in what might be charitably termed ‘serious lapses in ethical judgement.’ There is a long trail of conduct he left as Governor, and it isn’t all pretty: seems as though wherever there is a buck to be made, he’ll figure out a way to pocket it.

    An opinion piece in salon.com offers the details…

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/index.html

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Thanks for that valuable link, Michael.

      Supporting candidates is a lot like falling in love … there’s the irrational, rapturous phase when one’s beloved is the idealized embodiment of the perfect object of one’s undying devotion, especially compared to those former failed lovers … then there’s the day you find dirty dishes under the bed and dirty socks strewn under the closet shoe rack.

      (I guess true maturity comes when one realizes, from the outset of the romantic phase that every “love” has his/her bad habits.)

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC
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  • TeakwoodKite

    Anybody know where I might find out what contrator built the “Habbaniya Police Training Center” ? There has to be some “US Contractor” involved and I am trying to run something down.

    • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

      Teakwood
      From The NYT:
      “The Ministry of Interior deals with the Sunni provinces different than they deal with the other provinces,” said Brig. Gen. David Phillips, who oversees the training of the Iraqi police. “The only reason the Anbar academy opened is because we built it, paid for it and staffed it.”

      The General claims the Army built it..I’ll look deeper for you..

      • TeakwoodKite

        Tanks HH

        I was reading from the national security network:

        The Iraqi national government is undermining the “bottom up” approach. The Shi’a dominated government has gone out of its way to make it difficult to train Sunnis in Anbar and turn them into police officers. “It was the American military that pressed to open the new Habbaniya Police Training Center where Sunni tribesmen and former insurgents are to be trained to serve as police officers in Anbar…….
        [NY Times, 10/28/07]

        goggled Habbaniya Police Training Center
        and got http://static.scribd.com/docs/830i9kxwoc5xx.swf?INITIAL_VIEW=width
        with no mention of the training center by name.

        And for the fun of it.
        Iran’s new sub…it looks like a picture of something familiar.
        http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8609090297
        They make mention of a sonar evading sub….like the Swedes’ built?

        There was mention of Richard Perle….
        Bushiddo anyone?

        This week Kurdish oil ministers met with a number of former senior Bush Administration officials to help facilitate more oil agreements between American companies and the Kurdish Regional Government. This week, two senior Kurdish officials were the guests of honor at the home of Ed Rogers, chairman of the lobbying firm Barbour Griffith & Rogers. Richard Perle, Scooter Libby and Tony Snow were all in attendance. The officials than went on to Houston to discuss additional agreements with American oil companies. [Washington Post, 11/28/07]

        • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

          Teakwood:
          The Iranian military said that the submarine can easily evade detection and fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously..

          Checked out the pic.. As I have previously posted I have spent 20 years working on Submarines..Nuclear weapons fire controls mostly..But i have been onboard 594 class through 688 class and with alot of boomer experience also…
          Let me venture my opinion on this boat.
          1) There are no vertical missles aboard..only Russia and the US have the technology for that plus no hatches exist on the picture..
          ( and the boat is too short for a sherwood forrest)
          2) Difficult to detect? Yes..We have always have had issues detecting Diesel subs because they run underwater on Battery power..
          The US has always had great success listening to nuclear pumps underwater and we really have always had problems with the silence of an electric motor…in the case of these boats we listen for internal noise and prop wash…
          3) The Boat looks like an older model 637 class Japanese designed sub.. Pretty effective Sub in wartime but ( I’m only guessing ) Lacks High powered torpedoes and sound absorbing tiles.
          In short..because it would be unethical to publish secret details of our submarine force..
          So I will not venture anyother details..
          But this and many other older designed subs are simply designated as targets by our Navy..
          I’ll tell you a story that is interesting and was declassified in the 80′s.
          At one time during the cold war we wanted to make a point to the USSR that our submarines were superior to thier boats.
          A certain Admiral decided to make a point.
          At Zulu hours on a certain date every Submarine in the russian navy that we had been shadowing was ‘pinged’ by one of our boats.
          It was a statement that at any moment every enemy boat could be destroyed..It is said that this brief moment brought pause to the USSR Submarine service.
          I doubt there is anyone in the Navy deeply concerned about this Sub.

    • Cee

      First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting?

      • TeakwoodKite

        I was looking for the links between Kerik and the G man /contracting from 2003 forward.

        • TeakwoodKite

          I know you can’t believe anything you read on the net but…LOL

          http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/bernard-kerik-indicted-on-federal-fraud-conspiracy-charges

          It was not just Giuliani who knew what Kerik was up to, but the Bush administration as well. While some aides had uncovered information about Kerik’s links to mob-connected individuals, Alberto Gonzales, then the president’s counsel and later US attorney general, overrode their concerns and recommended his appointment to the Homeland Security post.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Scratch that: It was the Marines:
    MR. WHITMAN: (Off mike.)

    Q Colonel, it’s Luis Martinez of ABC. Going back to the resource issue, I seem to recall seeing that you had to set up your own police academy at Habbaniya when you wanted additional Iraqi police because you were not getting the adequate commitment from the central government in Baghdad or the resources to set them up.

  • Centrocitta

    Is Panicos, Metrophanes, Skyros, Sergios, Ahmed, Gustas, Pericles, Dmitris, Apostolis, Nicolas trying to let us know he’s in Greece?

    =============

    They’re spam. Sent them to the spam filter.
    Leslie

  • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

    There is no way in hell we’re gonna have a prez named Huckabee. Think we’re embarrassed now? Whoa.

    • Centrocitta

      Couldn’t agree more about Huckabee’s name. It’s defintely not presidential and neither is his agenda.

      • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

        All this stuff on him is coming out and Hucksterbee’s record is all over the map. Accepts gifts, doesn’t report gifts, the DuMond affair, wants benefits for kids of illegal aliens, pardons Keith Richards, likes backdoor tax hikes–a lot, hated by Club for Greed, left Arkansas with a budget surplus, plays bass, runs marathon, rips President Bush’s foreign policy…don’t you want to like this guy?

        breitbart.com
        factcheck.org

        I want to like this guy, but the dark-eyed zealot look puts me off. Something oily, bordering on insidious.

        It may be shallow to judge that way, it may be my terminal cynicism about anyone who strives for office. All I know is I didn’t like bu$hler’s simian nostrils from Day 1.

  • Donovan Fraser

    Huck is surging because the rest of the field( besides Paul) are so flawed people just can’t vote for them. It will be interesting

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      You said it.

      I wonder if this is true of Republican voters more than Democratic voters: They expect that their internal mental and emotional image of their favored candidate be “pure” in a very black and white way.

      They’re less able to acknowledge the flaws of their favored candidate, and still be able to “heart” them.

      Just a theory …

  • ybnormal

    My pet peev about presidential qualifications;
    EXPERIENCE

    Why do the Dem frontrunners Clinton/Obama/Edwards
    all have far less experience than
    lastrunners Dodd/Biden?

    Isn’t an under-rated factor in W Bush’s disaster presidency the fact that he was inexperienced?

    Certainly there’s many other factors as well, but experience matters.

    Bush over-delegates authority (particularly to Cheney) in policy. Much of the reason is his nature to do so. However, even if he wanted a more active role, he would be incapable, due to lack of expertise.

    It seems to me that the conclusion we’re left with is that star-power is really more of a major factor than it should be. While star-power is very helpful during the election cycle, it plays less of a role in functioning in the role as the actual president. Experience matters more when the rubber meets the road.

    Am I alone in this perspective?

    • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

      Ybnormal,
      For some reason a couple of your comments went into the spam filter. But since they were duplicates of your comment above, I then deleted them. OK?

      • ybnormal

        Good, thanks Leslie

        I’ve noticed if I go to some websites, then go here and post without closing all IE windows, something leftover triggers the spam filter

  • Taters

    So Huck plays bass,huh?
    That reminds me of an anthropologist who was in the depths of the Amazon with her Yanomamo guide, on a canoe on one ofthenumerous tributaries.
    There were drums in the distance – and the curious anthroplogist asked,”What does that mean?”

    The guide said with a somber look, “Bad sign, very bad sign.”
    The bewildered anthropologist quizzed, “What do you mean?”

    The guide responded with a distressed look,”Next comes bass solo!”

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      That’s really funny. Now, Taters: If you go to Hertzberg’s New Yorker blog story — which is so much fun to read in its entirety — he has links to some of Huckabee’s performances.

      It’d be fascinating if you, as a top professional musician, were to critique his playing.

      I think you’ll also get a kick out of Hertzberg’s descriptions of how Huckabee acts on stage when he’s playing.

      • TeakwoodKite

        You rock Taters? He doesn’t have a Moonstone but what the Heck!! Nice to be the only bass player.
        Went to see Mingus in Boston once back when I was a kid ….had tickets and all…then they changed the drinking age two days before the show and I could not get in…Darn.

      • ybnormal

        Went to Youtube and listened to Huck’s band playing FreeBird. Then listened to Lynard Skynard playing same.

        Huck and his band are fair to middling for a part time local group. On the other hand, it’s not a fair comparison, since Huck doesn’t claim to be pro.

        If it makes people happy and he has fun, good for him.

        On the bright side, it sure beats hearing Condi pound the piano.

      • ybnormal

        BTW any bass players out there too young to remember Motown in the sixties would do well to listen to the legendary late James Jamerson.

        Examples on: Stevie Wonder ‘I was made to love her’ and Four Tops ‘I’ll be there’ and of course the majority of the Funk Bros. sixties Motown from Hitsville. Much of modern bass guitar playing owes a debt of gratitude to Jamerson. Note while listening that all his picking was done with ONE finger, which he called ‘the hook’.

        In my case, I even find useful inspiration for B3 organ bass pedals.

  • mudkitty

    Let’s just not be so foolish as to underestimate him.

    • Taters

      Let’s just not be so foolish as to underestimate him.

      I never have mudkitty.

      • mudkitty

        I actually caught myself accidentally underestimating Huckabee about six months ago, so I include myself in that warning.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      No kidding.

      Superficially, he has a winning way about him — folksy, caring, humorous. One person, on some news show yesterday, noted that while all the other candidates sounded “mean” in the GOP debate on CNN this week, Huckabee did not. He came across as kind, humane, decent, thoughtful. (Even to me as I watched that awful debate, although I must be the only person in the U.S. who didn’t find his quip about how Jesus would never run for public office to be either sensical or especially funny.)

      I’m still reading the Salon article that Michael linked, and it’s a doozy. Here’s what people who REALLY know him think of him:

      … The world is full of disaffected Huckabee campaign workers, former employees and garden-variety Republicans who love to pass on tips about a governor they’d found self-centered and untrustworthy. If you think he left a well of warm feelings in Arkansas, note that Hillary Clinton had raised more money in Arkansas at last report and that a recent University of Arkansas Poll showed her a 35 to 8 percent leader over Huckabee in the presidential preferences of Arkansas residents. Only one-third of 33 Republican legislators have said they will support him for president. …

      It is also appalling that, because he didn’t like what the author’s newspaper reported about him, that he ended the newspaper’s access to press services — a publicly-financed service. (That truly is frightening — he was Bush before Bush was Bush, running a “unitary presidency” that dismisses bedrock Constitutional protections.)

  • Taters

    Susan,
    Pretty hard to get through Freebird, Huck ain’t bad though and he’s pretty knowledgable about rock n roll roots. I totally agree with his assesment about the Stones. Perhaps not a virtuoso but he understands the role of his instrument. I get the feeling he’s one of those that will hard to get it right. Feel, tone and execution ain’t bad. He’s solid and he could gig. He’s better on his instrument than Bill Clinton is on his. Bubba had stronger stage presence, though.

    O/t Check out 21 year old Tal Wilkenfeld on bass with Jeff Beck. She’s quite talented.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=905648188637932394&q=jeff+beck+bass&total=170&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

    • TeakwoodKite

      She is talented.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Oh wow. Lyrical, edgy … and those wails, which fit the song title.

      I want to be in a small dark nightclub with a tall one. Moody, intoxicating, rushing with feeling.

      I’d pay money to see her live.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    FYI: Steve Martin is the guest for the hour on Tim Russert’s other show (not “Meet The Press”) — it airs again here at 11pm PT tonight, on MSNBC. (I think that CNBC may air that show too.) They show a lot of clips of his most famous characters and antics. Good interview — Russert lets him talk.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Fluffy, the only homeless cat who boldly comes inside, just walked in from outdoors. Fluffy is massively muscular and huge — probably 20 lbs. — and has long orange fur.

    I noticed that he has a few furry fuzzy white things on his back.

    The snow we’ve been expecting is falling. Looks like good skiing snow! It’s very pretty. Just hope it doesn’t stick around, except up in the mountains.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    The latest: Rasmussen has Huckabee three points ahead of Romney — 28%- to 25% — in Iowa. And he’s in second place nationally now.

  • Taters

    Susan,
    Well put. The snow is falling here too. It’s sticking and still coming down. My dogs got a long walk and played off leash grab ass in the hockey rink at the neighborhood park. They love the snow.
    Wow, a twenty ponder? A longhair?

    I’m assuming you mean a drink when you say in a nightclub with a tall one. ;)

    EJ Dionne said keep an eye on Huckabee a while back and that he could surprise folks.

    Teakwood Kite,
    Yes. I’m sure we’ll be hearing alot more from her. She’s a big leaguer and definitely ready for primetime.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      the snow is falling again.

      I had to call DISH last night because I couldn’t get some stations. I can’t get one of the two satellites … still can’t this morning.

      At least the SEAHAWKS game is coming through just fine — oh boy, they just made a great play keeping the Eagles from getting to the end zone, from less than a yard away, on FOURTH DOWN. Woohoo.

      That damn snow had better not accumulate on my little DISH sat. dish on my roof, and block my reception. It’s not like I have a lot of alternatives with radio here (since we get only one or two U.S. stations we can receive here due to the mountains).

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Tal Wilkenfeld — I immediately sent that link to my daughter — am anxious to get her impressions.

      It’s also now part of my arsenal. Once in a while my neighbors blast really loud hip-hop (the nastiest kind). I want to get big speakers and blast ‘em back with GOOD music.

      What kinds of dogs do you have, Taters?

      • Taters

        Susan,
        Geigen is a female black & tan German Shepherd. She’s just under a hundred pounds. She replaced Max, our previous German Shepherd who made it to fourteen. My best pal. He was a big black and tan too. They look almost identical except Geigen certainly has her feminity. We lost Bullit, who was a shepherd mix and who was fifteen – last year. She was a sweetie.
        Chelsea, aka Carlotta Blumley, was rescued last Feb. by my wife during a freezing 5 below cold snap from the streets of Detroit. She weighed less than twenty pounds at that time,(She’s fifty now)was freezing and didn’t have very good odds of making it. She’s a mix of Chow, maybe Akita or Spitz and God knows what else. She has an underbite and her bottom fangs protrude. She looks as if a wolf and a Pomeranian might have mated.

        I wrote a song about her, kind of an Irish ballad..

        So fetching so comely, its Carlotta Blumley
        A lovelier lass you ne’er will see.

        She’s furry, a Murray and often will scurry
        Though we’re not quite sure of her pedigree…

        We’ve got three cats too, (Louie, Rusty & Serena)they all get along pretty well – all of the animals are rescues. They’ve all got me trained to do their bidding.

  • Taters

    Always good to hear from ya Hoosier Hoops.

  • OleHippieChick
    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Oh my. Everyone here should listen to that.

      (Wonder if that’s where Rudy got the idea of the cell phone ringing during a speech? ‘course Huck was talking to GOD himself while Rudy was just talking to his third wife.)

  • http://deleted lester

    huckabee is a bunch of hype. he is a gimmick candidate. he uses jokes to warm up the crowd. what he supplies them with after that is warmed over “compassionate conservatism”, a tree we nbarked up about 7 years ago with disasterous results.

    Why is he so big in iowa? because he is for welfare in the form of corn subsidies!!! just like 7 of the other 8 “conservative” candidates!

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Isn’t it sad how any candidate who wants to have a chance in Iowa has to “whore” for ethanol and corn subsidies? When it is such a p___-poor altnerative fuel?

      And the candidates really do have to pander or they don’t have a prayer.

      Those corn growers are also partly responsible for keeping out imports of Brazilian sugar cane, which is a far better source of ethanol. (What’s the percentage of use of alternative fuel from sugar cane now in Brazil? 40%? Something astounding like that.)

      PBS Newshour did a great program on it recently. Pros and cons. A lot of small farming towns are banking on the big money coming from growing corn/converting it. But there are other crops, like switchgrass (I think that’s the name), that are much more efficient.

      • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

        And that’s one of MANY reasons that it FRIES me that Iowa always gets the first shot. Not a particularly representative state of the entire U.S. Then there’s their caucus system — we have that here in Washington state, and it is so damn time-consuming and annoying. And how each caucus goes depends entirely on who’s running each one — it’s very easy to cheat with the rules, as I saw in 2004 (‘cept that we’d had practice sessions at our Howard Dean Meetups and we knew the rules and were able to speak up and stop irregularities).

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Lester: all we need to know about huckberry dog is that he is a GOP Canadate..they’ll say anything to anyone to get elected..Like what you said..
    “compassionate conservatism”, a tree we barked up about 7 years ago with disasterous results.”

    Can’t believe people bit on that crap..hook, line and sinker..

    • mudkitty

      The sooner you start believing it, the better.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      The deal was done in 1998, when Bush’s people raised phenomenal amounts of money. It was a juggernaut. (I remember distinctly reading about that and freaking out because it was like the titans of U.S. industry had handpicked their candidate two years before the election race even began.)

      I remember hearing about it, and wondering why all these top-dollar people were pouring money on Bush’s head. The only reason I could think of was that, because he was so ignorant and inexperienced, he would be malleable. Guess that’s what happened.

      McCain upset the plan when he won New Hampshire, but Karl Rove took care of that little problem in South Carolina.

  • Kathleen

    What I can’t figure out is what John Edwards has done to piss off the MSM (something I am sure I would approve of). This morning on Meet the Press and Chris Matthews they barely mentioned the guys name. John Edwards is not taking PAC money and Hillary and Obama are which is barely ever mentioned, and I am sure this must have many of the Pac organizations pissed off, especially AIPAC, I wonder what else Edwards has done?

    I just do not understand how anyone can support Hillary after she voted for the Kyl Liebermann amendment which Senator Webb has stated is “tantamount to a declaration of war” on Iran. Obama slipped out the back door on this vote which confirmed once again for me that he blows with the wind. I watched him during the Condi Rice and John Bolton nomination hearings and he just played it far too safe for me. Kerry, Biden, Kennedy, Lincoln Chaffee, Dodd all hammered Bolton while Obama tiptoed. I was not impressed.

    John Edwards has made it very clear that he made a very serious mistake by voting for the 2002 war resolution and that he learned from his mistake. He has challenged Hillary on her Aipac suck up vote that provided the Bush administration with another opportunity to seriously stir up the inflammatory rhetoric about Iran and possibly another pre-emptive strike on a nation that has not attacked us.

    Hillary how many times are you going to bend over for the I-lobby?

    I will not vote for a candidate because they are black or a woman. I will push for a candidate who supports and promotes diplomacy in the middle east and with Iran. Hillary is not that candidate and Obama is just too careful (slipping out the back door on the Kyl Liebermann amendment) for me.

  • Kathleen

    Rove caught in his compulsive lying by his own people.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/02/rove-still
    -revising-history/

    From one liar to another
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq

    Card calls Rove a

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/30/card-discredits-rove/

  • Kathleen

    Huck has pledged his allegiance to Israel on several occasions. Here are the candidates stance on the middle east.
    http://www.cfr.org/publication/14756/

  • Kathleen

    Huckabee, who has taken nine trips to Israel in past 35 years, calls himself a “steadfast supporter” of Israel. On his campaign site, Huckabee pledges that as president, he would “ensure that Israel has access to the state-of-the-art weapons and technology she needs to defend herself from those who seek her annihilation.”

  • Kathleen

    O’Reily sends reporter to McClellan’s house.

    O’Reilly to McClellan “you’ve got to be a man sometime”

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/01/oreilly-goes-after-mcclellan-sends-fox-news-goons-to-his-
    home/

  • Kathleen

    Glenn Greenwald investigating

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/green
    ald/2007/12/02/nro/

  • Kathleen

    INteresting interview with Barbara Slavin
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwa
    ld/2007/12/02/nro/

  • Kathleen

    Here is that interview with Barbara Slavin about Iran

    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/11/29/barbara-slavin/

  • Mr.Murder

    Huckabee’s Dumond pardon angers me like no other act.

    He beat a ‘nam vet to death in an Oklahoma public park with a claw hammer and turned State’s Evidence on two others, reportedly the man was asking about his teenaged niece and an encounter she had with Dumond.

    One of his rape victims was impregnated and had the child, a GOP wet dream, a (Tony)snow-flake baby. She never pressed charges as the attack happened in a fairly remote environ and she was in shock for two days, she was developing morning sickness by the time she tried to report the incident.

    Dumond’s ol’ lady got a job from a Bush RNC delegate from Houston, a big shaker in the timber/natural gas lobby. John Kerry obliquely referred to him in the debate, “Need Some Wood?” was the phrase Bush came up with in defense of his small business (that got tax subsidies and pork) with the RNC delegate.

    The delegate’s family has a history with some flight schools and TANG as well. Perhaps you’ve heard of Embry-Riddle and the Florida flight school, the one that 9-11 cells trained at? Back to the topic…

    Huckabee ignored the fact that Dumond’s victim appeared to personally contest the possible pardon. That was quite brave of her.

    Mike Huckabee listened to hate speech site The Free Republic, including jrlc(Jerome Coursi, Swift Boat author) and decided to pardon Dumond, portrayed as an innocent man by the Freepers, the Arkansas Project, and even The Village Voice.

    The claw hammerbeating was not accused, it is a matter of court record based on his plea testimony. He took part in beating a Viet Nam veteran to death with a claw hammer. Then Coursi and other freepers had the nerve to call Dumond a victim for having been a’nam vet himself.

    Dumond was a serial rapist, at elast three women who raped matched his M.O. and local/proximity on his first rape sentencing, their statements were used for sentencing, the reason his Judge weighed so heavy in his decision and the same reason why Law Enforcement, Judges, Prosecutors familiar with the case challenged his being set free.

    So Huckabee has a pardon joke to tell about Keith Richards? Perhaps Keith will turn the pardon if he learns what type of company the man’s other beneficiaries are.

    Disclaimer:
    The reporter who initially got on the DUmond story, Ed Craig, formerly of KAIT, lived near a relative of mine, he died recently after illness.

    His cameraman was my high school video teacher.

    Dumond’s most famous victim was a former coworker.

    As for Brantley, he was essentially knocked off the talk circuit of the state PBS networks for calling out Huckabee on the incest abortion case, one in which Huckabee blocked funds for the procedure, approved by a judge and requested by the victim and family.

    More could be said about it, but this seems to have already crossed the outrage barrier and satisifed any threshold for needed disclosure.

  • lester

    there is no reason to subsidize corn. corn prices are through the roof. half the stuff in your refrigerator probably has some corn derived stuff in it. we have corn coming out of our damn ears no pun intended

  • mudkitty

    Huck is going down, thanks to his association with the Freepers. That flushing sound you hear is…

  • Russell King

    It seems that Rev. Huck pardoned — and went to unusual lengths to do so — a guy who raped a distant cousin of Bill Clinton. The guy, after getting out, appears to have raped and killed others. Here’s the link: http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

  • Mr.Murder

    Documents Expose Huckabee’s Role In Serial Rapist’s Release
    December 4, 2007 11:18 PM
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html

    Little Rock, Ark — As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.

    Confidential Arkansas state government records, including letters from these women, obtained by the Huffington Post and revealed publicly for the first time, directly contradict the version of events now being put forward by Huckabee.

    While on the campaign trail, Huckabee has claimed that he supported the 1999 release of Wayne Dumond because, at the time, he had no good reason to believe that the man represented a further threat to the public. Thanks to Huckabee’s intervention, conducted in concert with a right-wing tabloid campaign on Dumond’s behalf, Dumond was let out of prison 25 years before his sentence would have ended.

    “There’s nothing any of us could ever do,” Huckabee said Sunday on CNN when asked to reflect on the horrific outcome caused by the prisoner’s release. “None of us could’ve predicted what [Dumond] could’ve done when he got out.”

    But the confidential files obtained by the Huffington Post show that Huckabee was provided letters from several women who had been sexually assaulted by Dumond and who indeed predicted that he would rape again – and perhaps murder – if released.

    In a letter that has never before been made public, one of Dumond’s victims warned: “I feel that if he is released it is only a matter of time before he commits another crime and fear that he will not leave a witness to testify against him the next time.” Before Dumond was granted parole at Huckabee’s urging, records show that Huckabee’s office received a copy of this letter from Arkansas’ parole board.

    (See the full letters sent to Huckabee’s office here.]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/05/exclusive-the-complete-h_n_75373.html

    Letter From Rape Victim, Sept. 1996
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/05/huckabeedumond-file-let_n_75371.html

    Letter From Rape Victim’s Daughter, Sept. 1996
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/huckabeedumond-file-let_n_75370.html

    Letter From Rape Victim, Sept. 1999
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/huckabeedumond-files-le_n_75352.html

  • Mr.Murder

    The Houston location specifically referred to in the letter linked at HuffPo(from a rape victims’ daughter, about Dumond’s Parole hearing) is arguing against the basis of his parole.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 20…et_n_75370.html
    Houston is key because Dumond’s wife was given a job by an RNC delegate for Dubya, who ran a large timber/gas firm.

    I read in the paper where Dumond and his wife plan to move to Houston, but I am to believe he never comes back(redacted) and see his family. His mother, sons, and grandchildren all live(redacted). If this man doesn’t want to see his family then that should be another reason for him to stay where he was because he is sick.”

    John Kerry obliquely referred to it, Dubya had a small business with the man who gave logistical support to Dumond’s family for the purpose of tax write offs… …to which AWOL quipped, “Need some wood?”

    There’s a high probability his Parole application was drafted at the same lobbying firm.

    Dumond’s wife was given a job by an Arkansas Project bankroller.