Get Ready for Rightwing Blowback

Whatta blow. The Dick must be having a shitfit. Who you gonna believe, Dick or your lying ears? Hope those unsung NIC heroes don’t fly on small planes.

What is the Plame connection to this?

Larry, seems Bush has already moved the goalposts from WMD to Iranian terrarists moving across the Iraqi border & killing Americans. The Faux News flying monkeys will deliver the rationale & bombing will begin shortly after the primaries.

Hmmm… maybe the NIE accounts for Dicky Ticker’s recent “arhythmia” incident.

the other day Joe Biden said he would bring impeachment to the forefront if Bush bombed Iran. Aside from that, at what point do Cheney and Bush get removed from office?

Curious to see what Mukasey does on Waxmans request regarding Fitz and the grand jury testimonies of Bush et al regarding the Plame incident. Blocking the Abramhoff records, and a multitude of other criminal doings, Bush Co are simply and outwardly breaking the law and telling Congress and the Amercian people to fuck off, “we’ll do what we want.”

Enough is enough and the 08 elections are not going to bring about change. I’m looking for Cheney’s group to figure out a way to keep Bush as President.

As a local TV news anchor said, without TV we’d all feel so out-of-touch!
If only the dickster could present his case directly to the viewers. Too bad he has to rely upon experts and work through W.

Imagine that….the ticking Dick lied. On to a new strategy of death & destruction in the ME!

Larry,

tisk tisk is what is to be expected from such chickenhawk 5-deferment viceprez kinda a guy. i’d really start to worry if he became like the tin man and acquired a heart.

Larry,

I find this just a little too much of an coincidence. Plame who specializes in wmd and as I understand it was involved in Iran gets outed. They attempt to destroy our ability at CIA to know the real status of Iran. They then hide the NIE report again to keep us from knowing wmd status in Iran. I’m sure it was gravy for them to Wilson but are we sure it wasn’t Plame’s function at CIA that Bush Cheney was really after? To eliminate her from the information chain?

hope4usa, re: thoughts on valerie: BINGO!

Great question…I wonder if since at least 2000 when, from what I can gather, Valerie Wilson was working with this administrations’ strategy to turn the Middle East on it’s head, via war, and was put in the dismal position of having to disprove a negitive.

Considering the fact that we have invaded both of Irans’ flanks,and the administration went out of its way to roll up an Op specifically to gain intel on Irans WMD,by her outing, this new NIE(which Harry Ried said this morning he asked for) is a push back from the intel community and perhaps a welcome return to “just the facts ” and let chips fall on the policy side where they belong.

Then again there are other factors such as the most recent post from the Corps Watch that stated fully 1/2 to 2/3′s of our intel community has been out sourced. Those companies have a vested monetary intrest in ensuring we have a never ending “war”.

Sadly, none of this changes the malignant composition of US forgein policy as executed by Bush and congress. Justice will not be served until Rove,Novack, Cheney and Bush get life for treason.

Is this the reason they’ve brought Wolfovitch back into the fold? He’s such a specialist, he can conjure WMD’s outta thin air!

Well, I’m encouraged by this ‘outing’ of an NIE doc.

Just saw this at McClatchy and hope it’s okay to copy:

The Democratic-controlled Congress ordered the production of the NIE amid concerns that the Bush administration was hyping the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear program in the same way that it used bogus and exaggerated intelligence to justify the war on Iraq.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/22487.html

This is a different tone from US reports in 2003. Granted, this paragraph comes near the end of the article, but it’s refreshing to see a more frank writing style, plus some pointed historical context, in the news reports.

Hats off to the unsung federal employees who publicly released that NIE; nice to see patriotism in action.

No doubt Bolton’s blood pressure is on the rise, along with the rest of his ilk. At least, here’s hoping )

Cheney tried messing with this NIE just like the one for invading Iraq.
Whattya know, this time we get the real news BEFORE the bombing starts.
How refreshing.

I missed where they stashed Wolfovitch.Where is he now? Don’t forget Pearle. It would be great to have a poparazzsi core to hound the Bozo’s at the back of the Hogworth Express bus…maybe it would motivate the press core to get thier shit together and …after all the “men in black” get there intel from them rags just like this administration.
It would be great to have a page on “Neocons:Where are they now?” Seen Steve Cambone anywhere in this woodpile?

Since I did not see a link to the NIE.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/international/20071203_release.pdf

Larry,

Thanks for the good news about Iran. I’m surprised that the MSM isn’t going along with this again.
The criminals will do something to provoke a war anyway.
Also, on Chevez

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) – Humbled by his first electoral defeat ever, President Hugo Chavez said Monday he may have been too ambitious in asking voters to let him stand indefinitely for re-election and endorse a huge leap to a socialist state.
“I understand and accept that the proposal I made was quite profound and intense,” he said after voters narrowly rejected the sweeping constitutional reforms by 51 percent to 49 percent.

Chavez told reporters at the presidential palace that the outcome of Sunday’s balloting had taught him that “Venezuelan democracy is maturing.” His respect for the verdict, he asserted, proves he is a true democratic leader.

“From this moment on, let’s be calm,” he proposed, asking for no more street violence like the clashes that marred pre-vote protests. “There is no dictatorship here.”

It is also noteworthy that the NIE mentions 2003 as a point of last focus…mmmm I wonder what happened in 2003.

i cant be positive … i may be having a senior movement … but didnt we know the NIE prior to the invasion of iraq had been cooked? i seem to recall reading about cheney’s henchmen being posted to the DoD and the CIA. i, also, seem to recall that terry and a group of retired intelligence people wrote an op-ed or spoke about it an interview.

hmm, maybe i should do a google….

oops … ignore terry … i meant scott as in scott ritter.
sorry

I would have started WWIII by now if it wasn’t for those meddling kids.

-Scooby Doo Villain, Dick Cheney

Wasn’t there a cartoon character named Hadley from Rocky and Bowinkle? Sorry folks this NIE won’t hunt.

“But the intelligence also tells us that the risk of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon remains a very serious problem.”

That is why there are three carrier groups in that part of the world.

I am just thankful the Intel guys are breaking the knees off the legs of this story (the threat of Iranian nuclear Bombs). God bless them for letting it out in the news .

Nah Larry,
The Bushies have been shifting their rationale for war from WMD to Iran killing US troops in Iraq for months. Despite military reports that most of the foreign fighters are our allies, such as Saudi Arabia.

Whoops, this must mean that the military has been infiltrated by partisans intent on undermining Bush too. Because how dare the military reports counter the Bushie lies…uh…propaganda…uh…intel.

I just wish they would continue up the food chain.
Wonder what the classified portion said…

I halted my car’s engine this afternoon.
I suspect I will be able to start it up again tomorrow morning should I feel like it.

“…Connatations of world war III? Hadley says? The guy who loved those 16 words so much?

So another “report” by the people who missed 9/11, collapse of the USSR, the Indian nuclear test, Iraq’s non-WMD, and on and on…

A NIE carries the same fiction value of the MSM; probably written by the same people

YAHTZEE!

6 months ago youall were nail biting & predicting an attack on Iran was imminent. I told you then it wasn’t happening & its not. But being right around here doesn’t seem to count for anything. Whether you like it or not Iraq will slowly calm down & just simmer, proably for another generation, which is sad. But eventually they’ll have to get a new vision. With all the oil they have every Iraqi ought to be atleast a millionaire. Every Kuwaitee gets 17,000,000 just for being a Kuwaitee. Ther UAE is growing like gangbusters, eventually the Iraqis will go for the good life, cause what they’re doing now is going nowhere. Dispite all the good arguments to the contrary over at Sic Semper (Col Lang’s blog) I still worry about Lebanon. I don’t think it’s in Nasrallah’s blood to lay low for long. If youall want to freak out about something try the economy & if that’s not sexy enough to hold your interest apply a little worry to the Chinese military build up.

The economy of US and Chinese both have Oil in common. Where is that found? Do you think the friction between Nationalism and Globalism will get greased anytime soon?

Comment by Waiting in Texas | 2007-12-03 14:45:57

“Enough is enough and the 08 elections are not going to bring about change. I’m looking for Cheney’s group to figure out a way to keep Bush as President.”

Couldn’t agree with you more.

As I have said before Giuliani is a shooin unless there is Impeachment plain and simple. All the kings horses and all the kings men will not deliver the WH to the Democrats unless there is Impeachment.

Iran still can be nuked by accident, Larry. And this is how I anticipated the Iran war would start.

Although Ohmert at least has made a guesture of pulling in his horns (the arrogant prick that he is) with the latest [yawn] roadmap to peace.

And the US is the last one left, thanks to Rudd. Though as it is the largest ommiter of polutants, protocol talks are pointless without US involvement. I wonder if the Dems are prepared to balance a fine World against intollerable wealth.

Chavez, Larry, is largely Mr “unflavour of the month” largely because he doesn’t like doing business with American Corporations and has made the terrible policy decision of pinching from the rich and giving to the poor – particularly in the areas of healthcare. I believe he has also legalised cocaine, which is a absolute “no no” in the Western prejudicial World. Considering the outcome of successive democratic handovers in the US, I wonder whether there is a significant difference between democracy and dictatorship in practical terms.

The majority elects a bunch of incumbants who push minority driven laws. The minority know full well the implications of said laws which are dumbed down to encourage compliance from the dumb masses.

Imagine that “They told the truth based on facts on hand”. The Bush administration hates when that happens. By the way when has that happened during this administration? Is this a first?

So what will be their next move? We know the Bush administration turned the spotlight from their failing efforts to convince the American people that Iran had a nuclear weapons program or the knowledge, the desire, the plans, thoughts, etc. etc. to build a nuclear weapons program. We know that they turned the spotlight on the “alleged” Ied’s coming from Iran that were being used to kill American soldiers. We know that they were successful at convincing 72 senators (including Hillary Clinton, and Obama was conveniently out of town for that vote) to vote for the Kyl Liebermann amendment which defines the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. Will the warmongers just simply say to hell with the NIE who the hell do they thin they are? We have our own information, we have the Kyl Liebermann amendment, and we are going to pre-emptively attack Iran anyway.

On Meet the Press this Sunday Senator Webb again said that the Kyl-Liebermann amendment was “tantamount to a declaration of war” on Iran. He said the Bush administration believes that they have the authority to pre-emptively attack Iran under the umbrella of the 2002 war resolution. Armed with the Kyl Liebermann amendment and the 2002 war resolution these warmongers will more than likely be forging ahead.

Christ all mighty let’s hope we do not hear Hillary say “if only I knew then what I know now” again.

Scroll down and listen to what Webb had to say on Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

Valerie Plame Wilsons comments on Keith Olbermann about Iran were in direct conflict with what Iaea’s El Baradei was saying about Iran.

Elbaradei was saying that there was no hard evidence to back up the repeated claims about an Iranian nuclear program.

I listened to many of Plames interviews ( Katie Couric, Terri Gross, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews)This was the only time I had ever heard Valerie say ” that they (Iran) are seeking nuclear weapons there is not question about that”

This is the opposite of what Elbaradei has been saying about Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKPV07o5S0

Valerie on Countdown

So is it a matter credibility?

I was reading that link about the Israeli DEA Intel operation concurrent with 9/11. Interesting.

Not a thing up at National Review, Weekly Standard, Pajamas Media about the NIE report. Do you think they will try to act like it did not happen?

Empty wheel (Marcy Wheeler) addressing this issue.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/

According to David Shuster, who did Countdown tonight, the Administration has eased off on claims of Iranian responsibility for American casualties in Iraq.

We may soon learn more about the character of General Petraeus. We may learn whether he will permit any fabrication or exaggeration of the IRG’s meddling in Iraq, on his watch, to be sold as justification for attacking Iran.

Blowback
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Intel_report_Iran_halt
ed_nuclear_weapons_1203.html

Will Mukasey stand behind justice or the Plame traitors
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_blocking_congressional_Plame_probe_1203.html

Maybe Emptywheel is emptyhanded? Look, no need to over analyze this (which she does in my judgment). It is quite simple. The Senate and House Intel Committees are in the control of the Dems. They’ve been told over the last two months that the Administration was sitting on this. Some very direct remarks behind the scenes put the DNI, his deputy, and the other senior managers on notice.

Thanks Larry.

I hope you are right about Iran.

If you’re worried about Lebanon you should see who is still supporting Fatah al-Islam and watch what they try next.

Justsomeone:
6 months ago youall were nail biting & predicting an attack on Iran was imminent. I told you then it wasn’t happening & its not. But being right around here doesn’t seem to count for anything.

Ok..have you ever considered that if we had put the same pressure and exposure on the Iraq issue as we have on the Iran run up to war that maybe the last 4 years would have been vastly different? Countless thousands of people would be alive today? ( screw the Saddam in power augument..there will always be dictators..We don’t spill american blood or pay taxes to remove dictators worldwide unless they attack us..otherwise let me submit a current list for next year.)
Bush has put all true americans ‘on alert’ for his next cleansing of ‘evil doers’
You may feel comfortable letting your guard down with this lame duck president who answers to no one in 2007.. But thank god you are ‘justsomeone’ instead of justeveryone.

There were some of us that were trying like hell, writing calling taking trips to Washington, New York. Accumulatively millions of Americans marched against the invasion of Iraq..I was there with hundreds of thousands of Vietnam, WWII Korean, Desert Storm VETS, teachers, social workers, plumbers, students, families pushing strollers and grandparents in wheelchairs. The MSM including NPR barely covered peoples efforts to stop the invasion. Millions of Americans were fooled by the endless bombardment of lies coming out of the Bush administration.

I would like to say that your right about Iran Hoosier, but these right wing radicals are ruthless warmongers. It is not over yet, they still have time to pre-emptively attack Iran. But I sincerely hope you are correct.

So do you assume that the opposite of NIE “fiction” must be the true state of affairs?

So would you like us to ignore the Bush administration’s efforts to make us think that attacking Iran is on the table?

curious item, none of the news I’ve read about this NIE mentioned that it’s release has been held up for almost a year. They all say it’s a new NIE. No mention at all about Darth’s crew suppressing it’s release. But they all play up the fact that Iran is still processing uranium, no mention that they’ll only getting 3-4% enrichment, not the 95% they need for a weapon.

Damn, an idiot like me in the deep woods can spot this shit, but the MSM doesn’t have a clue.

Greywolf:
A NIE carries the same fiction value of the MSM; probably written by the same people.

You know..you’re really starting to piss me off..
Your postings carry alot of fiction..
You drive by once a month with some smartass comment
and then slink off to the woods..Insults don’t keep you away neither does logic…You just know so much don’t you?
I am independent concerning the MSM. I think they do a great service for america.do they always get it right? No..sometimes do they lean too much left or right? yes..but they in general do a great job of keeping us informed of current events.
And concerning reports of our intelligence agencies..You think that because we don’t get it right a 100% of the time that there is no validity to them? shows what a dough head you are..
let me bring it down to a level you may comprehend…
No pitcher in baseball throws a strike every time.
No batter hits a .1000.. No quarterback tosses every pass for a touchdown..no basketball player shoots and makes every shot..no hockey player makes a goal every shot..
And no report is perfect and nobody in this business can always read the tea leaves perfectly.
But winning teams succeed more often than not by trying ther best to be accurate and honest no matter how the cards fall.
We’ll see you again in a month with your ‘observational BS’

Laugh if you want, BUT, it will soon get out, as I have pointed out before, Bush was in on 9/11. Just wait and see folks, Prince Bandar helped the neocons with the crazy Saudies who did the nasty, and the Caryle fu_kers knew it!

What I find interesting is the sequence of events. I have not heard why it was released today. So last week we had the Annapolis, today the Gulf states conference and the NIE…

By the way HoosierHoops what was the record for the Texas Rangers when Bush “owned them”?

So what happens to an NIE that has been collecting revisionist dust? Is it still current?

Iraq started with a bang – there were plenty of bombs ($$$), lots of bullets flying aound ($ka-ching!) and lots of big bags of cash for contractors to load off Coalition planes and into their own planes. Man, a military/industrial/political complex can get used to that kind of living!

Iraq is boring now. Not nearly as much action. Now the do-gooders are coming in and stopping all the action! Waaah!

So here’s my prediction: they said Tehran had nukes: it didn’t fly. They said Tehran was at war with us in Iran: that won’t fly.

Bottom line: you don’t actually need a PR job to start a friggin’ war. Especially for a lame duck Prez – what he got to lose – votes?

Just go drop the damn bombs, then turn around and say “Hey Americans, look, we’re in a war!”

Kinda makes the rationale discussion a mute point, doesn’t it?
They were going to at least provide a veneer of legitimacy before the hack job. But they can do it without it, no problem.

Bedwetter-in-Chief makes phone call. We’re at war. Done. Next.

There’s only one thing that would prevent a war with Iran. That would be impeachment. But Nancy and Hillary have their backs covered. They will not allow impeachment.

What does that tell you about them?

Smells pretty bad all the way around, if you ask me.

Larry, this most definitely answers your question of 10 August, to wit, “Are Republicans Cocksuckers?”

Lying cocksuckers, to boot. But then, it IS the party of Tricky Dick, John Mitchell, Rogers Ailes (the Jennifer Flowers “Newest BFF Award of 1992″ winner), and Bob “Where’s the Outrage?” Dole.

My husband (who is politically very astute) suggested that perhaps a deal was made when the Senate (Feinstein & Schumer) confirmed Mukasey. Perhaps the Dems requested the NIE come out in exchange for “justice” dropping the Rosen and Weismann case, (or perhaps barring access to the Abramoff documents that Waxman has asked for). Recall that Pelosi got back in the Israel lobby’s good graces after she stripped a provision from the military appropriations bill that would have required the president to go to Congress for permission to attack Iran. Now this NIE comes out and invalidates the “Iranian threat” that R&W unveiled. Interesting, no?

The NIE says Iran stopped work in 2003.

I’m expecting them to play switcharoo.

Originally the CIA was supposed to, but Cheney’s hubris got so big that he decided to say it was Iraq instead of Iran.

We were considering a plausible case for invading Iraq on regime change, as justification to stay after the fact, then following up with glorious flower thrown tours of Iran. Then the Saddam-Al Qaeida claim didn’t motivate Congress enough(INTEL committee push back), so aluminum tubes were added after the Yellowcake hoax was being kicked back.

Cheney cut off his nose to spite his face because he wanted the immediate prize.

Look back, few said anything until well afterward, past a point it could be undone. Almost like it was planned so… Rove and Cheney simply screwed it up.

Going after Wilson provided political cover for the short term, as did invading Iraq. Iran was the long term goal, the reason permanent bases were being built next door. The Wilson outing had dual purposes, Plame was close to Oil for Food and Peak Oil, the Cheney history was there for profit. She also had dibs on nuclear programs in other countries and proliferation specters that Cheney and Rumsfeld also held a hand in.

Shorter scenario:

Yeah they lied us to Iraq, but what about Iran?

I’m know I’m stupid, but what are you?

The Iran issue was probably assumed to become part of Albright doctrine, we’d win out Congress and the White House in time to deal with Iran as a market sector, not as an opponent. Saudi Arabia needs oil past peak, and would love to force Iran through its channels to deliver it as they did Oil for Food.

Jane’s FDL thread is speaking to the heart of the topic(defilibrators aside). The more you repeat the talking points of the right wing in addressing them, the more you help them frame the debate. The POTUS candidates are just a rubber stamp for increased tension there in the Mid East at this time, outside of perhaps Dodd and Kucinich.

It isn’t about Iran getting nukes. They’re going to, Rummy wants it.

That way Star Wars becomes a necessity.

He simply wants the USA to get its share of the money. Unless Iran channels all of its Nukular cash through American subsidiaries for Halliburton, etc. we will stay mad about it.

It’s a way to placate Israel and play both sides of the cash cow. Tension in the Mid East means buffer states develop proxy client status in addition to the major players.

Israel for us, Iran for China. Kissinger style triangulation when Pakistan, India, the EU/Turkey, or Russia are involved, all of which will be to some extent.
If we didn’t want Iran to have nukes Halliburton would have never done business with them to the level Cheney did and Rummy’s Bechtel work would not have occurred. Money is the final arbiter of any political stance the GOP takes.
Iran just needs to cowboy up with the cash pony. Follow the Money.

In return for business through USA channels Iran will give some limited transparency. This becomes a selling point and justification for expanding profit motives.

We can all agree to disagree, so long as the big money agrees. The big picture is about shaping markets so demand for new products accelerates profit return. Empower nukes to varied states, with the usual MAD policy that fed the MIC during the Cold War. Then Mutually Assured Profiteering can finally kick in…

NASA’s equivalent in the Pentagon has been working at it for years… Rumsfeld’s focus prior to 9-11 was Missile Defense.

This is a big extortion racket.

As for Iran, it’s better to business than it is to wage war. Engagement and interaction will help more than outright conflict. Exchange students, trade packages, transparency, opening things such as the Iranian finds seized since the forfetiure from our past hostage crisis, all of these can be ways to winning hearts and minds by finding middle ground.

Business solutions, not military ones.

Just stop pulling America’s chain over it. If nukes were such a big item WTH is the emphasis on Putin’s stockpile and the proliferation issues surrounding it? There is none.

Demand both be dealt with and paid for or nothing at all. It is the ultimate veto for the political topic.

hey, don’t you know it’s evildooers?

So where the hell is the Gonzales indictment for lying to congress? I think if that little chulo knew that he was facing 3 to 5 years of hard time he would spill a lot of beans. No pun intended.

Larry, is it possible for those involved in writing the NIE to disclose

** what the earliest date was on which they were saying Iran had no nuclear program

** what reports were written on this

** to whom were they sent

and, most importantly,

** how, when and under whose direction the “changes” to prior NIEs came about.

THIS is the real story.

Bottom line, Bush/Cheney are using the same bullshit tactics to try to convince our great nation to go to war with the Persians. And in less than two minutes, he’s going to go on TV to try and justify it.

Talk about the boy who cried wolfowitz.

How was the NIE released and declassified so that it was made public?

6 months ago youall were nail biting & predicting an attack on Iran was imminent

I told my sister inlaw when she dropped me off at Logan December 2001 that I was worried about it.

I have seen very little to change my concerns in the years that followed. This time the Blowback in Chief at this mornings news conference basically said The NIE doesn’t matter.

While sounding good, all of this may be for nothing. If you look at gw’s statements, likely written by a lawyer (what does ‘is’ mean?) Iran having the bomb is not his bottom line criteria, it is too much if they even have the knowledge, regardless of capability or intent.

“Bush told a news conference Oct. 17, “I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.” Asked then if he definitely believed that Iran wanted to build a nuclear bomb, Bush said, “Yeah, I believe they want to have the capacity, the knowledge, in order to make a nuclear weapon.”" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071204/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iran_analysis

Dick wants this bad and the neocon hawks will try and find some way to end-run this setback, if they didn’t already have one planned…Syria, Lebanon, israel, EFP’s in Iraq (no intel is too spurious or hand-picked)…there are more intel agencies than just our own and I wouldn’t be surprised if Shin Bet/Mossad don’t come out with an entirely different conclusion (they already have, but it will just be touched up and restated as “new” information). The doors are still there and you can rest assured that dick and his krew are tirelessly looking for ways to open them. Besides, when you, as the president, take orders from Jesus, who didn’t run and wasn’t elected president of this country or CinC of its military by the way, you don’t have to listen to any damn intel assessments because they will never know what the big guy is seeing– he does work in mysterious ways. Anyone who thinks that logic and reason are going to dissuade this group from what they want is sadly mistaken and has seen/understood/learned nothing in the last seven years.

=The comment by Cheney, after the 06 election, responding to a question about the dems taking Control of congress; would that change anything.
He said No we are going to do what we want to do.

The intelligence “stovepipe” is still in place. These radicals will not back down, Iran is in their scopes. They have all ready pivoted, are spinning, lying, and will continue to push. They have a year to strike Iran.

Lots of articles about the intelligence “stovepipe”
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/10/27/031027fa_fa
ct

Julian Borger at the Guardian and Justin Raimando were on it before the invasion.
TOMORROW MORNING THE DIANE REHM SHOW WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE NIE REPORT. Call in with your questions

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/12/05.php#18230

I listened to Diane everyday before the invasion she had a long list of guest and experts who were questioning the validity of the intelligence and the wisdom of a pre-emptive invasion of a country that had not attacked us. Including Brezinski, Albright, CIA analyst, Scott Ritter, General Zinni
etc.

On the list for guest tomorrow in regard to the NIE report will be Kenneth Pollack. Wonder how Pollack
is feeling about testifying in the upcoming (if Mukasey does not dismiss this trial) Aipac trial.

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/750/ken-pollacks-eigh
t-point-plan-for-regime-change-in-iraq

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:44EOLmn7HtUJ:www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/memop110207.pdf+kenneth+pollack+usgo+2&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

Larry this morning you got your question “will the Bush administration and the congress take no for an answer”.

Bush said that this report was a “warning signal” that Iran had had a program and could restart it any time. Spin spin spin. In the NPR report they said that Israel’s Barak said that Iran is presently involved in a nuclear weapons program. You all ready know that facts do not matter to these radicals.

Here are small articles at JTA (Jewish Telegraph Agency) spinning the report
sraeli minister rebuffs report on Iran nuke freeze
mail E-mail News Brief
mail Tell the Editors

Published: 12/04/2007

A senior member of Israel’s Security Cabinet played down U.S. intelligence findings that Iran froze its nuclear weapons program in 2003.

The U.S. National Intelligence Estimate, released Monday, assesses that Iran put its nuclear weapons program on hold four years ago following international pressure. But the report also notes that Iran’s current uranium enrichment program could produce enough fissile material for an atom bomb by 2010.

Israeli Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer said Tuesday that Jerusalem must continue treating Iran’s nuclear projects as a threat to the Jewish state’s existence.

“I just don’t buy that Iran stopped producing nuclear weapons but continued enriching uranium for civilian needs,” Ben-Eliezer, a former defense minister, told Army Radio.

“Israel must not take any risks on this matter. We must not wake up one day to discover that Iran has the bomb.”

Also at JTA Breaking news
AIPAC: Intelligence makes case against Iran

Published: 12/04/2007

AIPAC says a U.S. national intelligence estimate bolsters the case to isolate Iran.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee was reacting to a report that the assessments by all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, declassified this week, is that Iran suspended a nuclear weapons program in 2003.

AIPAC spokesman Josh Block told JTA that if anything, the report showed that Iran had advanced further than was publicly known.

“Far from acquitting Iran, the NIE reveals that Tehran continues to violate the international community’s calls to end the pursuit of the fuel cycle and the ability to make highly enriched uranium, concludes that Iran has utilized and has at its disposal a hidden, secret second unacknowledged, unmonitored track for enriching bomb fuel, and has engaged in a nuclear weaponization program, an assessment never before made public by the American intelligence community,” Block said. “All in all, it’s a clarion call for additional and continued effort to pressure Iran economically and politically to end its illicit nuclear programs.”

More blow.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTYxODUzNTYwOGU2Mjk3ZmUzZjNlNTExNDIzN
jMzMzc=

Revisionism and The Iranian Non-Bomb [Victor Davis Hanson]

The latest news from Iran about the supposed abandonment in 2003 of the effort to produce a Bomb — if even remotely accurate — presents somewhat of a dilemma for liberal Democrats.

Micheal “faster please” Ledeen’s blow
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjljZGNiZTc0NzhmM
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I’m Not a Believer
If this NIE is true, the evidence would have to be awfully good. And evidence of that quality has been in famously short supply.

By Michael Ledeen

Those lively minds over at the (always capitalized) Intelligence Community have given us yet another of their entertaining Estimates, this time about the Iranian nuclear-weapons program. You know, the one the Iranians stoutly deny exists, the one they refuse to let inspectors examine, and the one they sometimes acknowledge when on or another of their leaders has a slip of the tongue. They now favor us with slightly more than two pages of “Key Judgments” on this important subject.

I believe Schuemer and Feinstein’s votes for Mukasey were all about getting that AIpac trial dismissed. The MSM has been completely silent about this investigation and trial (one time Chris Matthews whispered that the trial had been delayed for the sixth time). Even the so-called progressive blogosphere has basically been silent on the investigation and upcoming trial (including firedoglake) Justin Raimando at Anti-war.com has written about the investigation and upcoming trial more than anyone.

If Mukasey does dismiss this trial the majority of Americans will not even notice since the MSM has barely reported anything about it.

Will the I-lobby continue to rule?

I was banned over at FDL on Nov.23 “We the People” by the moderator and “backstage crew” for my tone on the I/P conflict. I challenged the moderator and he/she began to actually hassle me. Jane can use “locker room” language and Christy and other bloggers can rip a legislator to shreds but challenge the moderator of the selective Off topic police or trolls showing up when the Israeli Palestinian issue comes up? and bam your off. I accept the banning but will not back down from my challenge that Firedoglake is not much different than the MSM when it comes to the I/P conflict or Aipac. Oh Jane will mention Aipac in a title but never really challenges. Self Censorship going on.

They can challenge but are unable to really take what they dish out.

Larry,
You sure called the rw blowback. Nutjob Podhoretz is already blaming the CIA…from TPM

“I entertain an even darker suspicion. It is that the intelligence community, which has for some years now been leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush, is doing it again. This time the purpose is to head off the possibility that the President may order air strikes on the Iranian nuclear installations. As the intelligence community must know, if he were to do so, it would be as a last resort, only after it had become undeniable that neither negotiations nor sanctions could prevent Iran from getting the bomb, and only after being convinced that it was very close to succeeding. How better, then, to stop Bush in his tracks than by telling him and the world that such pressures have already been effective and that keeping them up could well bring about “a halt to Iran’s entire nuclear weapons program”—especially if the negotiations and sanctions were combined with a goodly dose of appeasement or, in the NIE’s own euphemistic formulation, “with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security, prestige, and goals for regional influence in other ways.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/060227.php

“blame the blogs” too funny

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/david-gregory
-plays-blame-the-blogs/

es, of course, it was the bloggers who polarized the US body politic. …In 2000, the bloggers stopped the counting of the ballots ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, and installed the man who lost, as the counting, finished later by researchers, would confirm. …In 2004, the bloggers made sure there weren’t enough voting machines in the poorest and blackest districts of Ohio. …The bloggers made Habeas Corpus and the Bill of Rights optional. …The bloggers established a Gulag system, instituted torture and rendition, and started disappearing people. The bloggers stayed on vacation while New Orleans drowned.

All I can say is thank you to the brave intelligence professionals who put out an unequivocal and honest report. Yeah, blowback is what I’m anticipating too. Still, waiting for the shitstorm is kind of fun; you just imagine what sort of lies they will put out as the truth and how irrational those lies will be. Well, it’s not really fun, but it is amusing seeing supposedly serious people posit such outrageous theories. Anyway, I hope they’re called on it every step of the way and again, kudos to the folks who released this report.

See, the cool thing about that is a leader recognizes that he may have overreached. To me that seemed unnecessary and a little worrying. But Chavez has admitted he made an error……..that’s what grown-ups do. And it doesn’t make you less of a man (neo-cons), it makes you more of a man.

….because of course your car’s engine is exactly as complicated as the process necessary to create a nuclear weapon. Gotcha.

Iraq will get to have another vision? After the country has been totally rid of all moderate people, after there are no middle-class people or professionals, after half the country has become refugees and 2-3 million have died? But after that, everything will be alright eh? Ah, good to know.

Hoosier you may have a legitimate bone to pick with Grey wolf, but come on the MSM did a piss poor job in the run up to the illegal invasion of Iraq. I watched and listened very closely. They even admit it. This was not a small boo boo.

Judy Miller reported lies about WMD’s, most of the MSM were part of the “groupthink”, many were not asking hard questions, hell Elbaradei word’s about the false Niger documents were often given page 8 coverage, Robert Novak outed an undercover agent. Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton were given free range of the MSM and their claims about Iraq basically unchallenged.

The MSM’s coverage of the very large anti invasion marches in DC the fall of 2002 was pitiful (they would show the footage of 20 people with black hoods over their faces over and over again during the evening news. They failed to let the American Public see that hundreds of thousands of teachers, students, WWII, Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm Vets, plumbers, families pushing baby strollers and grandparents in wheel chairs were in the streets trying to stop the invasion. Even Npr failed the first several marches and were hammered for it. Hell after the invasion there was an antiwar march in Fayetteville North Carolina made up of military families against the war and I watched the MSM for 8 hours straight during and after this march flicking the channels, I saw the same footage of Terry Schaivo looking at those balloons 84 times and there was not one second of coverage on those military families marching against the war. Not one fucking second. So much for showing the truth about what is taking place.

Have folks like Chris Matthews improved…yes? Do they have much much further to go. Hell yes!

Isn’t most nuclear development technology of any kind done anywhere these days heavily reliant on virtualization? There’s no compelling need for most of the research and development facilities to be located alongside the nuclear plants that house centrifuges and nuclear fuel. A research facility could be on an urban multi-agency government campus, say, or at a research university. Going after computer facilities and the nuclear technology braintrust in Iran could result in a problematic target list. And hard drives make difficult targets, even for “SMART” weapons.

Ok, so the NIE is out and it confirmed what many already knew. They lied, again. How many of you have called your elected Reps and expressed your outrage? How many have penned a letter to your local Op Ed page? If you are waiting for Congress and the MSM to take up the charge we are doomed. Without “We the People” pushing and raising hell nothing will happen. Tazing has become so commonplace we shrug as if to say “Well at least they did not shoot him/her” assuming the person guilty, we are herded into “Free Speech” zones,……..etc. I mentioned S 1959 on a prior thread with no response. I’m going to mention it again. S 1959. Has anyone on this site read this piece of fascist “Thought Crime” shit? If you have, answer this, with all the laws already on the books which cover this bills supposed purpose, why is it necessary? Have any of you called your Senators today to voice your opinion on the matter? I think we have all come to the conclusion that the present administration is capable of anything. Find your voices before this comment is deemed illegal by definition of “Intent”.

Watching the Stephen Hadley show from Monday. He says they sat on NIE to make sure “they get it right”. Funny they only found out about the estimate on Tuesday last….These “wake up calls” (Sic) “give us sometime to analysis this” (read spin) “what the intelligence community has said is in the last few months”.

When did Cheney know? Two weeks before at a principle meeting. Prior to Bush being briefed…

Curveball again? This tracks with the NIE.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/kidnapped_or_de.html
Gen. Ali Reza Asgari

His defection ends his value as a mole; we assumed that he had defected in order to get us information, but it really leaves us a little more blind from February 7th onwards. He will be able to analyze information coming out of Iran for Western intel agencies and his experience will prove valuable, but having Asgari inside the Iranian establishment was a much better situation for us than having him outside of it.

Now can we impeach them for lying?
Why are we waiting?

Even a censure would be a step in the right direction.

Can you imagine if those bastards had started a war and then oops, sorry again we were wrong?
what must the international community think about us now.
The US will never be a world power again thanks to this administration.

Go check out the National Review “shit storm” and at Jewish Telegraphic Agency’s , and Aipac’s website. At JTA check out breaking news reports. Lots of blowback

The NPR debates at 2p.m.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16843353

I have watched most of the debates (both Republican and Democrats) and I have yet to hear a question about the elephant on the stage, the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I sent this question into NPR will they ask it I doubt it “How would you deal with the Israeli Palestinian conflict any differently than any of our previous presidents?” and “Why do you think this question has not been asked at any of the other debates”?

Also it is reported he was recruited in 2003. That must pissed Valerie off if true….

Yes a huge thank you!

Will Mukasey protect the traitors who undermined National Security or Valerie who put her own life on the line for National Security. This will tell us a great deal about Mukasey.

Was he sent in by Schumer and Feinstein to protect the powers that be or the constitution and any integrity that the Justice system has left?

Chick …

i learned a long time ago that when anyone in this adminstration moves their lips … they are lying. this is certainly true the higher up you get in the government structure!

Come on, people, we don’t have time to impeach them. We need to focus on electing more that 60 dems to the Senate, and getting two thirds dems in the house. That’s the only way to stop rightwing blowback. All is lost otherwise. All else is falderall.

trudy is a shoo-in … wow … what tea leaves are you using? sorry, even hillary will beat trudy if the she is the candidate. it should be noted, i dont think either one will be their party’s candidate … just my guess.
finally, i also predict the gop wont be much more then a regional party (read the south and some of the fly over) after the 08 elections.

so graywolf, do you also ignore the estimates of the IAEA and numerous other european governments who came to the same conclusion as this estimate. talk about burying your head in the sand or should i say up bush’s keester … take a deep breath and relax … there is no clear and present danger from iran.

This is what splits the Dems…and will most likely be a factor in them losing the WH in 08.

I don’t have enough faith in Democrats to think that they will solve the problems. Hell Schumer and Feinstein just voted to pass Mukasey.

What makes you think that Democrats will solve the problems. I would like to see the Republicans take on the Impeachment issue, I swear they could turn their sinking ship with this issue. We know they would not be taking this on due to the honorable reasons (they had plenty of time to hold the Bush administration accountable) I would like to see the Democrats caught in the bind that they too have not really held those that lied our nation into an unnecessary war ACCOUNTABLE.

Hold those responsible for lying us into this war accountable. This is the very least our Reps can do for the millions who have lost their lives in this war based on a “pack of lies”

Or wait for the next lie over a blow job.

The whole world is laughing.

They don’t even have to be moving their lips.

Time artical from Robert Baer.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1690696,00.html?cnn=yes

What is what splits the dems. I’m talking about the opposite.

Political expediency vs. constitutional obligations.

Kathleen –

They (the dems) certainly won’t if they cant, and they can’t without the numbers. That’s why impeachment is a waist of the little precious time we have between now and the elections; local, statewide, and national. We progressives have bigger fish to fry right now.

How will we ultimately be able to prosecute Bush/Cheney unless we get the numbers?

If you don’t have any confidence in the dems how are the dems supposed to have any confidence at all, much less have confidence in you, and in your support? And you just might think of running for office yourself, if you want to see better people running for dem slots.

Great article
http://amconmag.com/2007/2007_12_03/cover.html

IF its true, then that’s fine.

Emotionally, I’d love to bomb Iran into a parking lot.
Logically, however, that would be a truly stupid act, especially as to what it would do to the price of oil as well as a massive ramping-up of worldwide terrorism.

Aren’t emotions the pits sometime’s?

The neo-cons are in full-on meltdown mode. They have been stabbed in the back!

The flaccid assed keyboard warriors at the American Enterprise Inst. have just had their reason for living carved to bits.

It is time to go on rogue element red alert.

-GSD

They are the eggman…

Kathleen, over here in Europe, during the same tmeframe, the MSM was airing interviews with ordinary Iraqis in the streets commenting that they didn’t want even one Israeli to enter their country. Did you forget to mention this, Kathleen, or did they just not bother to show this sort of footage to Amercan citizens?

Israeli Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer said Tuesday that Jerusalem must continue treating Iran’s nuclear projects as a threat to the Jewish state’s existence.

Shaaaaaaadup. Livni already admitted that a nuclear Iran wasn’t a threat to the state.
Olmert did admit to another threat. Population.

What is monkey face so afraid of? Oh, people who tell truth FOR FREE!!

I’ve done all of the above. Both of my senators are worthless so all I do is move higher up on their enemies lists when they hear from me.
Also, make it a point to call talk radio. I mentioned S. 1059 the last time I phoned. The host wasn’t aware of this new treason.

Thanks for sending this article. A friend said that someone called Bush to plead with him to change his mind about the next war because people can’t afford to go shopping!!

The interesting part of the announcement of this report is two things:

1. It is scary that this President stands at a news conference today insisting he is right when evidence shows he isn’t. That is a tyrant, folks.

2. If Iran isn’t making nukes or even have a program as was revealed today, what do we need Giuliani for? This blows Giuliani’s campaign to hell. All Giuliani is offering is scandal and more scandal.

It is time to go on rogue element red alert.

BINGO! Should we start guessing what they’ll do?

Strange biological outbreak?

…..Shaaaaaaadup…..

Cee, arn’t they just nauseating? I wish you could see the tongue lashing Israeli spokes-persons are given by Arab opponents on Al Jazeera (in English).

Hoosier, my primary reason for predicting no immenient war on Iran is simple: we can’t afford it. Dispite ret Gen Peter Pace’s assurance we have the military capability to fight on 3 or 4 fronts, the bottom line is we’re broke. We’re in debt up to our eyeballs & the interest on that debt is compounding. To use a Warren Buffet quote, “We’re starting to pay dividends to the world.” I doubt seriously China had any interest in fronting us the capital for that purpose.

I can’t stand those mofo’s!!! I’d have to move to Israel to see al-Jazeera since the lobby blocked it from being shown in the US.

I really want those disloyal @$#@!!’S to be DEPORTED and foreign aid to the land where they will be exiled to ENDED!!

Read this

Michael Ledeen:

“If this N.I.E. is true, the evidence would have to be awfully good,” he continued in another version of the argument, posted to the right-leaning National Review’s website. “And evidence of that quality has been in famously short supply.”
John Bolton:

“While I was in the administration, I saw intelligence march up the hill and down the hill in short periods of time with no reason for them to change their mind,” said John R. Bolton, Bush’s former ambassador to the United Nations. “I’ve never based my view on this week’s intelligence.”
Michael Goldfarb of William Kristol’s Weekly Standard.

Given the poor performance of the U.S. Intelligence Community (“IC”) in drafting previous NIE’s, we should review the IC’s work with a skeptical eye–no matter what conclusions are drawn. Interestingly, the IC now concedes that it is certain Iran had a nuclear weapons program. But that isn’t getting the headlines. And after having read the little that has been made public from this NIE, we are left with substantive questions.
From Israel:

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that Iran was continuing in its efforts to produce a nuclear bomb despite the report. According to the minister, Iran had indeed stopped its program four years ago but has since renewed it… …Asked if the new U.S. assessment reduced chances that the U.S. will launch a military strike on Iran, Barak said that was possible.
However, he said, “We cannot allow ourselves to rest just because of an intelligence report from the other side of the earth, even if it is from our greatest friend.”

Mordechai Kedar, who served in Israel’s military intelligence for 25 years and is a researcher at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv, said Israel’s intelligence community disagrees with the latest estimate.
“This is a matter of interpretation of data. I do believe that the U.S. and Israel share the same data, but the dispute is about interpreting the data. … Only a blind man cannot see their efforts to put a hand on a nuclear weapon. They are threatening the world.”

Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said he “doesn’t buy” the National Intelligence Estimate findings that Iran had stopped making a nuclear weapon. He said Israel should “not take any risks” and keep up its campaign against Tehran.
Norman Podhoretz:

In other words, a full two years after Iran supposedly called a halt to its nuclear program, the intelligence community was still as sure as it ever is about anything that Iran was determined to build a nuclear arsenal. Why then should we believe it when it now tells us, and with the same “high confidence,” that Iran had already called a halt to its nuclear-weapons program in 2003?… …But I entertain an even darker suspicion. It is that the intelligence community, which has for some years now been leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush, is doing it again. This time the purpose is to head off the possibility that the President may order air strikes on the Iranian nuclear installations.
New York Sun editorial:

t’s advancing a line that could be described with the word astounding if it didn’t come from the same intelligence bureaucrats that so famously failed to foresee the attacks of September 11, 2001.
One doesn’t have to be privy to our country’s secret sources to know that this last statement strains credulity. Iran has been enriching uranium, or nuclear fuel, for nearly two years despite two Security Council resolutions urging them to suspend. To believe the Mullahs have halted their nuclear weapons program, one has to believe that all of those spinning centrifuges in Natanz are to fuel power plants in a country that is the world’s third leading exporter of petroleum and natural gas.

http://www.boomantribune.com/

Both of mine I also consider worthless, but it lets them know we are breathing and watching. As far as an enemies list, I quit worrying as to “if” long ago. The lack of awareness of this bill is hard to believe. Thanks for doing something Cee, even if it might be for naught. I am still of the opinion that we may never see an 08 election. Of course I also own a tin hat. Think of how many things that were once considered “Theorist’ bull shit that we now know are fact. It amazes me that people still think these criminals will respect the rule of law come election time. If “We the People” are not organized and prepared for the worse, then we are stupid and lazy. These people in power are guilty of mass murder. Faced with the possibility of even remotely being held accountable I think it is safe to say that they will attempt to stack the deck.

The nutjobs have so thoroughly screwed up the nation I have fought for and wiped their behinds upon the Constitution I have personally sworn to preserve, protect and defend from all enemies, foreign and domestic so vigorously and so often that the ONLY thing keeping me from petitioning the Canadian government for Landed Immigrant status is the weather.

I can drink Molson, say “eh?” instead of, “check it out,” and, “duuuude!” and even put mayonnaise on my pommes de terre frites.

That snow shovel thing, though…

Does Canada still have a Merchant Marine?

Could open a fantan parlor in Vancouver…eh?

Did Bush’s new SecDef put him in a nutcracker…?

My best guess would be Bob Gates served them, Bush & Cheney Inc. one very large piece of humble pie last week. It’s usually their way or the highway, sucker…yet for some inexplicable reason this time there was something different.

President Bush was up to his olde hi-jinks at this morning’s presser of playing the affable, smirking frat boy leader to his audience of simpering pledges in the form of the compliant Washington press corps

Question still remains… why did George and Dick have to come clean this time? My thought would be that Bobby G. and a portion of his merry band at the DOD gave Bush a Hobson’s choice. Either he makes the NIE that is month’s olde, public, or they will pack up their brief cases and resign.

President Bush, who up till now, has been the one used to mounting the catbird seat and dealing such ultimatums to his opponents, must have found himself in a most humiliating and embarrassing executive moment… when Bobby G. placed a firm grip and advised he would place a compelling twist on a very tender spot.

It should be noted that Bob Gates is not the only new appointee of Bush’s that may have had expressed a very jaundiced view of expanded war with any party. Admiral Fallon, the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and other senior Generals, both in service and recently retired, have been outspoken in recent months in their opposition to another war with any party. Considering that the Army and Marines have been stretched to the breaking point by the Administrations adventures into Afghanistan and Iraq and we are now threatened by unacceptable instability in Pakistan. This turns Gate’s, well placed Hobson’s screw ever so much more significant to the Bush/Cheney clique…

Even the most generous reading of the NIE with deference to the Administration, implies that Bush &Cheney Inc. has been systematically lying about the threat posed by Iran, as they did earlier with respect to WMD in Iraq and could easily have misled a gutless, cowering Congress and the country into yet another immoral, unwarranted and disastrous war.

Olde soldier sends…
jgocht@countryspeed.com

Cost of Iraq War exceeds $11,000,000.00 per hour…

What are you Troopers doin’ to your children and your grandchildren…?

Shame …Oh great shame…!

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=61

Shame. Iran is a beautiful place filled with beautiful people.

We want them to change their government and we can’t even change our own. Supreme arrogance with a heady bouquet of bloodlust.

Justsomeone: Sorry..i misunderstood you..my apologies..

“The smoking gun could come in the form of a mushroom cloud” is a purely an emotional statement not meant for rational consumtion.

[...] Iran. The two have graciously agreed to let me post the full text of their debate, beginning with the text of Larry’s No Quarter post. I edited only for punctuation errors and rare [...]

Cee, regarding the new NIE report. Did you see and hear Joe Biden saying that Bush is the most incompetent president in US history and practically calling him a liar? Well, I can guarantee you that Senator Joe Biden D-Delaware, knows, WITHOUT A DOUBT that Bush is a liar.

“Iranians with a nuke is not a threat to us”

Oh really. That’s your “high confidence” is it “Larry.”

Of course, that’s only your idiotic “opinion” based on FA, except a pathetic shill for assorted leftist dopes who actually wet-dream about Iran actually having a nuke. Where’s the human intel on this? Where the hell is it. It’s NOWHERE. There isn’t any.

Admit it. You and most of the left-addled braindeads posting here WANT Iran to get a nuke. Why don’t you all just have the honesty to admit it.

LEFTISTS WANT IRAN TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Yet if the President of Iran went on TV tomorrow standing next to a viable nuke, there would be DoS and assorted “intelligence” officials denying it existed.

Bin Laden began plotting 9/11 in 1995. A plot that spanned the globe from Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Middle East, Germany, and the US. The first inkling US intelligence had was 8.46am on September 11 2001 in New York.

Sure, I have real high confidence in the brazenly misleading NIE report — the exact opposite of the 2005 NIE report.

Going back a bit. Six months before the Shah of Iran had to flee while an Muslim nutjob took over an entire country, the CIA also had high confidence in August 1978 when a CIA analysis concluded that “Iran is not in a revolutionary or even a prerevolutionary situation.”

Sounds so silly now doesn’t it? How did they miss something that was a fundamental foundation to events that led to 9/11? And are leading us inevitably to global nuclear conflict.

Well they missed it because like today, the CIA had NO FRACKIN human intel in Iran.

Sure that “fact” as opposed to the NIE “opinion” gives me “high confidence.” The “3 man CIA station” in Tehran didn’t even have any Farsi speakers in Iran in 1979.

Nothing has changed in 28 years.

[...] Blog between Victor Comras and Larry Johnson is worth noting (including Johnson’s post on No Quarter).  It is also worth noting that Thomas Joscelyn and Michael Ledeen have also weighed in.  The [...]

Man, JB, you are deluded.

If you think so little of us, why do you bother even coming here at all? Just to ooooze contempt?

That is a tyrant, folks.

Actually dumbass, it appears you wouldn’t know a “tyrant” if one bit you in the ass.

A deeply unpleasant thing for anyone to do considering I suspect your ass is considerably wider than your intellect, “folks.”

Sure, elected Presidents stating their opinions about unelected “commitees” is always “scary.”

[...] beat the drums toward a opening a new front in their forever-war. Ex-CIA counter-terrorism expert Larry Johnson offered this observation: There are some unsung heroes in the National Intelligence Council who [...]

Man mudpussy, you make it easy to ooze contempt. Trying writing something reasonably resembling joined up thinking.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. That much is proved by the borderline socialist posting son this pathetic excuse for a site, based on thw witterings of the deluded Larry.

No wonder the DoS is such a cesspit of when they employed people like Larry.

Please confirm how much you actually support the US intelligence srevices on any level.

I bet you love traitors like Agee though, doncha. Still think the Rosenberg’s were innocent, I betcha.

Oh mudpussy — and care to comment on how US intelligence managed to miss the two most damaging occurences of Islamo-fascism in the past 30 years, in 1979 and 2001.

And you call me “deluded” when you seem have “high confidence” in what unamed shills are saying right now. Man. Talk about lving in a dream word.

Oh, and I believe you really secrety despise US intelligence agencies anyway.

Apparently you are so bent out of shape because the truth is smacking you in the face. And btw, elected Presidents are to make sound judgments about war not “stating opinions”.

Yeah; here’s my comment: it’s because
Republicans were in ascendancy. Take Reagan. Ever hear of the October Surprise? With regards to ’79?

And 2001 occurred during another Republican watch.

Also, these unnamed “shills” are little Bushie’s unnamed shills.

Finally, JB, you may believe you know what I “secretly” think, which is bat-shit crazy, psychological projection, in and of itself, but at least we all KNOW, given your posts, that you hate the USA, and the US Constitution. You may claim to love America, but you clearly have contempt for Americans.

I doubt you even realize that America is a Continent, not a Nation.

Puppy –

You’re all ad hominem, no evidence.

You obviously never learned the rules of debate.

As a true American, I don’t need to justify myself to you.

And if you have so much contempt to what you see as the left here, why do you come here at all?

So you thought you’d come on in and display your manhood via bullying, uncouth manners, and a show of patriotism, Jack Bauer? It didn’t take long for you to prove that you’re not much man, that you have low regard for the USA’s Constitution, and that you can’t engage in rational discourse.

A commenter at your ‘crud blog says you’re not from the USA. That’s fine, but if it’s true, doesn’t it undermine your pose?

Be sure that President George W. Bush is glad that the world has you, wherever you’re from, and your ilk, for without authoritarian types like you, he and his kind could not dominate. He’s glad you live on your knees.

Have you noticed that your act is flying apart, crudster?

Sean Penn is a patriot. You’re not, anywhere.

I meant to nest the above comment under Jack Bauer’s, mudkitty.

a Savage Head?

No prob. Insert winking emoticon.

From the DU: Valerie Plame had been the supervisor of the CIA analysis of Iraqi and Iranian WMD programs. The timing of the intelligence, which indicated that Iran had ceased to have nuclear weapons programs by the time that the Office of Dick Cheney exposed Plame, is not a coincidence. Since the summer of 2004, a group of DUers on the “Plame Threads” have been saying exactly that.

More, the same group of DUers have called the Plame scandal, the Niger forgeries, and the neocon/AIPAC espionage scandal three leaves on a clover. The neocon/AIPAC scandal involved the Office of Special Plans using an intelligence cell from AIPAC to pass highly classified military secrets about Iran to intelligence officers of a third country.

Last month, the federal judge hearing the case against the two AIPAC members who were involved in the espionage ruled that they could subpoena administration officials including Condi Rice, Steve Hadley, and Elliot Abrams. It is no coincidence that almost every one of the officials involved in the neocon/AIPAC espionage scandal were also involved in the Plame scandal.

Interesting. I was banned at DU for engaging in anti-Zionist/anti-AIPAC comments.

Not too many French speakers in Vancouver. Although you might be able to find some poutine – french fries and cheese curds covered with gravy. (A Quebec specialty!)
I’ve only found french fries with mayo in the Netherlands.

Jack, you off the page. There’s no evidence, mate.

And until there is, you can blow it outta your hiney.

Howard got booted out government in Australia for feeding his people bullshit on Iraq. Your pissy president can’t get re-ellected, so now he’s roaming in “I do as I please mode”. Hey and those lefty liberals have given him the green light. Happy?

And before you start another name calling fit, I am neither left nor right, upper or lower. Everyone hates me and loves me for it, as I only ever see things as they are. So all you get is what I see.