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Who Did They Think They Were Kidding?

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It was only a matter of time before the losses embedded in our banking system caught up and surpassed the capital injected. As such, our politicians and bankers are now forced to be somewhat honest with the public at large.

 

At long last the “news” is out: there’s another expected $1 trillion in embedded losses in our banking system. I have tried to judiciously, but clearly, highlight that very fact here at NQ over the last three months. In today’s WSJ:

Goldman Sachs economists estimate that financial institutions and investors world-wide will ultimately realize $2 trillion in losses on U.S. loans, but have recognized only half those losses so far. That scares investors who might otherwise give banks needed capital, and makes banks reluctant to make new loans. Regulators say they worry that the only remaining source of capital for banks is the government.

 

While I know a few readers here at NQ, blogs are generally anonymous communities. Given the nature of my writings, a month or so ago I realized it would be more effective and compelling if I opened myself to public criticism if warranted. For that reason, I went from identifying myself as LD to Larry Doyle. For those who know me, I think they would say that I am a very competitive, honest, and humble individual. I’d like to think that I am. That said, I have plenty of shortcomings. As we look to grow our audience and community, I beg your indulgence as I retrace the posts since I started writing in mid-October in which we wrote about these massive unrealized but embedded losses. We’re all about sharing here, so please pass this along to your friends. We’ll try to stay ahead of the curve for you. ~LD

Without further adieu . . .

The Economy – What Lies Ahead (October 14, 2008)

This injection of capital will not necessarily fully flow through to the economy. The banking system here in the U.S. likely has $1 trillion in embedded losses. This plan is trying to buy time for the system to recognize those losses. The recognition of those losses will curtail future growth for the banking system and the economy as a whole.

Economic/Market Highlights 10/16 (October 16, 2008)

Remember the overall banking system has upwards of $1 trillion in losses that need to be recognized. Both Citi and Merrill know this and have pre-announced that they do not expect to show a profitable quarter in the near future.

McCain/Palin’s Economic Stimulus Plan (October 23, 2008)

. . . what these steps have done is buy time so that the banking system can generate revenues over the next few years to both write down and realize losses that are currently on their books, but which if were currently acknowledged would have rendered certain banks as already bankrupt.

Markets Selloff 10% Overnight (October 24, 2008)

In the midst of all this though, please remember that as I have tried to highlight, that there are likely $1 trillion in embedded losses in the banking system. That bill must be paid.

The Wall St. Model is Broken … and Won’t Soon be Fixed!! (November 12, 2008)

The losses in the banking system alone are upwards of $1 trillion. From there let’s move into insurance companies, hedge funds et al. Paulson, Sheila Baer, Bernanke and others know that any money that goes into the system is purely going to help the banks recapitalize themselves in the face of these losses.

When Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama complain that they need to make sure that credit lines open and remain open, they are not addressing the fact that the banks have an overwhelming amount of non-performing assets already and that those assets are likely going to grow in the face of an unemployment rate headed up by 2% to 4%!!

Economic/Market Highlights 11/12 (November 13, 2008)

Transparency
I had an exchange with a reader as to why the government is not revealing which banks have been participating in certain specific programs launched over the last few months. I made the case that the government is trying to protect the participating banks and in turn the taxpayers by not revealing the names.

The reader responded as to why and how could he ever invest in a bank. That is a very good point, investing in banks now is a much higher risk proposition because one does not know just how deep losses are in individual banks. Who does know?? Hank Paulson knows and he does not want to reveal those figures because they would further spook the markets.

“The Greatest Generation”…… (November 14, 2008)

The TARP bailout/rescue plan proposed to date has not inspired confidence nor generated any real impact for three reasons:

1. the banks have such sizable embedded losses that the funds already injected are being and will be used to recapitalize the balance sheets …

Economic/Market Highlights 11/17 (November 17, 2008)

Markets read this as a further indication that losses are so deeply embedded in the system that only time and “private money” can truly bring needed change. But how does “private money” receive incentive to enter the market?

Economic/Market Highlights 11/19…The Pain Increases!! (November 20, 2008)

Neither Paulson nor Congress nor anybody in Washington or Wall St. will tell you that the system has trillions in embedded losses but they do and our markets know it and are showing it by their prices.

“IT’S EASY TO FIND FAULT…especially if you’re clueless!! (December 11, 2008)

It keeps getting back, though, to the fact that the current situation as well as our future situation under any reasonable economic scenarios highlight the fact that the Wall St. banks are sitting on enormous embedded losses and expected future losses (continued increasing defaults on residential mortgages, credit cards, commercial loans, corporate loans). The money is not flowing through because:
banks need to replenish capital against these losses.

“Where’s The Money??….!!” (December 29, 2008)

In large measure, our mainstream media has done an exceedingly poor job as to highlighting the dynamics at work in the banking system. I will utilize a tape from a high profile financial show to reveal how the media is largely pandering to the public on this topic. Prior to doing that, though, let me get very detailed in answering the question as to “where’s the money?”

The business of banks is to lend money and in so doing they provide the liquidity to keep our economy moving. The banks lend money in a number of sectors but they can be summarized as follows: credit cards, residential mortgages, commercial mortgages, corporate loans. In addition to their lending role, most banks maintain a separate investment portfolio to further augment their revenue.

We have maintained that as a result of these investment activities, banks retained a wide array of what are now qualified as “toxic mortgage assets”. Globally, while banks and investment banks have taken $1 trillion in write-downs on these assets, by my estimation, confirmed by independent research and analytics, there are likely at least another $750 billion in write-downs yet to take on these assets.

Larry Doyle’s (LD’s) Dollars and Sense “Central Station” (January 10, 2009)

Comment by LD | 2009-01-10 10:45:43

Citi will inevitably sell other units at discounted prices.

In summary, it is not outside the realm of possibilities that this institution ends up being nationalized much like has occurred with some banks in the UK.

Against this backdrop, do not expect access to credit to improve anytime soon.

“Market Musings on a Monday . . . “ (January 12, 2009)

We have highlighted extensively why the embedded losses in the banking system would inhibit credit from flowing.

“Where’s The Money?” on December 29th specifically addressed the extent of losses and expected chargeoffs in our banking system. Why do the mainstream media and politicians continue to pander to the public on this topic?

“When Big Ben Speaks . . .” (January 14, 2009)

What does this mean? The banks need more money along with government guarantees against further losses from their deteriorating portfolios. To wit, Citigroup is selling divisions to raise capital. How will those government guarantees be structured? Potentially the nationalization of a banking institution, like Citi, or the splitting of Citi and perhaps other banks into “good banks” and “bad banks”. The “good banks” will house the day to day operations, while the “bad banks” will house the toxic and deteriorating assets and will be capitalized by, you guessed it, “Uncle Sam!”

  • mountainaires

    You’ve made a huge impact in just a very short time here, LD [can I call you LD?]. :-)

    Thanks for compiling all the posts in one group so I can make sure I keep ‘em.

    And, I’m interested in your thoughts on this idea of setting up a proverbial “bad bank” to take up all the “toxic debt.” I don’t understand how something like this can work; apparently Krugman doesn’t either?

    Can you take a look at it, and see if you can explain the premise to those of us who are slow-learners on these things?

    Thanks again.

  • Finance

    Not sure what the point of this post is? And I am not sure what you are trying to claim some kind of credit for?

    So there are going to be a lot of losses related to U.S. loans and that those losses may exceed the amount of capital being injected into the global financial system? What is your point?

    I don’t think anyone was ever expecting to inject capital in the global system to cover all losses. The key is that countries around the world are trying to inject just enough capital to stabilize the system and to reduce risk in order to get banks lending again. Not sure how much capital that will require, as it is anyone guess, but it will clearly not be equal to all the losses in the financial system.

    If your real point is that government should not be injecting capital then what is the alternative? To do nothing? If you want to get credit for something, why don’t you give us your solution rather than just trying to claim credit for saying that there are a lot of losses?!

  • fiscalliberal

    LD – for those who want a quick study on why the Shapiro nomination is important they should get a New York Times op ed titled ” The End of the Financial World as We Know It.” Jan 4 by Lewis and Einhorn.

    It provides examples of how the SEC has dropped the ball, specifically the Rating Agencies. It identifies that greed is only part of he problem, the gaping holes are the real issue.

    Having said that your article on her has alerted me to the question: is she just another Washington insider participating in the revolving door.

    For a administration promising change, it appears to be more of the same starting right out of the gate. She could look good because George Bush was so bad. The net effect is really not much change.

    I think the Bank Of America need for more money just contributes to the lack of trust by the american public. Untill that trust in the financial system comes back, no amount of stimulus will bring us out f the recession. Private Capital has to get back in.

  • wodiej

    thanks LD…a sane voice in a sea of madness…

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    LD, a quote to remember

    “The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a great octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state, and nation. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles, our executive officers, our legislaive bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency creaated for the public protection”

    The little coterie of international bankers virtually runs the United States Government for their own selfish purposes.”

    John Francis Hylan (April 20, 1868 – January 12, 1906) was the mayor of New York City from 1918 to 1925.

    Mayor Hylan felt the head of this octopus was the Federal Reserve.

  • Larry Doyle

    listen to our show tonight and we will address!!

  • fiscalliberal

    Larry – excellent show

    Now more wonkish stuff – your tome on the shipping was really insightfull. Since China contributes to our debt we need to know more.

    I do not know his perspective well, but Krugman references Brat Setser at

    http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/

    He has two wonkish blogs today about China and their ability to support us. It is important to know they are adjusting their portfolio with us from the Agencies to Treasury Short Term debt. So that makes us more vulnerable as our banker can reclaim thier money to handle their own domestic unemployment.

    The commets on that blog are helpfull in undertanding his wonkish points

  • LD

    Mountainaires….I will do more extensive analysis and report on that idea.

  • LD

    Thanks for your call and insights. Believe me, I am learning a tremendous amount throughout this process from a number of readers including you.

    I do think ultimately the ability to be informed is critically important for everybody.

  • LD

    Wow….great quote!! Thanks for sharing. Quick question. Did you mistype his date of death? I know that others seemed to have been dead when they were in office but did he actually accomplish it?

    I do find his quote to be VERY interesting. Honestly for that evry reason I lobve this medium for the public at alrge to ahve a voice and share that voice.

    I am glad that Mr. Gore invented this thing…lol

  • LD

    Wow….great quote!! Thanks for sharing. Quick question. Did you mistype his date of death? I know that others seemed to have been dead when they were in office but did he actually accomplish it?

    I do find his quote to be VERY interesting. Honestly for that very reason I love this medium for the public at alrge to ahve a voice and share that voice.

    I am glad that Mr. Gore invented this thing…lol

  • LD

    Wow….great quote!! Thanks for sharing. Quick question. Did you mistype his date of death? I know that others seemed to have been dead when they were in office but did he actually accomplish it?

    I do find his quote to be VERY interesting. Honestly for that very reason I love this medium for the public at large to ahve a voice and share that voice.

    I am glad that Mr. Gore invented this thing…lol

  • LD

    Wow….great quote!! Thanks for sharing. Quick question. Did you mistype his date of death? I know that others seemed to have been dead when they were in office but did he actually accomplish it?

    I do find his quote to be VERY interesting. Honestly for that very reason I love this medium for the public at large to have a voice and share that voice.

    I am glad that Mr. Gore invented this thing…lol

  • LD

    Yes….you can call me LD….just call me (lol)

  • NMK

    Isn’t Citibank one of the biggest contributors to OFraudo’s inaugural/coronation?

  • LD

    All of Wall Street gave plenty of dough…

  • nationalert

    I’ve just read from a blogger on America’s Right that the blog will cease to operate once Obama takes the oath. Could that be possible of this blog as well?

  • fiscalliberal

    No way – in reality Obama is the second comming of George Bush – This blog will have plenty of material with the appointed Washington Isiders and Obama trying to vote present.

  • nationalert

    Thanks for the reply.

  • lark

    Who Did They Think They Were Kidding?

    They tried didn’t they. They tried hard and they keep trying. People know the are kidding. That’s why people will not bid on foreclosures. You would be stupid to bid on foreclosures. People know that foreclosure sales are rigged right now. Only stupid people bid on foreclosure sales. I mean stupid people if they don’t have an exact reason why they want to buy a foreclosed property for more money than its worth. People know that government is invested in property values because property taxes are directly linked to them. But what people don’t know is that they have to work many more hours than they should and their spouses and relatives all have to work like slaves to pay for the mortgages they incurred when they try to live per the general expectation. And since we have been talking here (I mean you) about commercial real estate; the same thing applies.

    Yes, they didn’t and don’t have enough money to shore up the whole of the mess and stupidity incurred by all actors and stakeholders of this assault on the American family. What I will love to see is apartment complexes going broke, I mean, defaulting. Yes, I know that will have to be the last of the pack to go broke or default since those loosing their homes must pay the over inflated astronomical egregious immoral overpriced exchanges of apartment properties with ensuing new money mortgages. Yes, apartment dwelling rents go up as these mortgages shoot up exponentially for only one reason, greed. The immorality of it all. And of course no one at any level of society cared. I mean no one. After all, only the poor rent apartments and who cares if their rent go up.

    No they don’t kid anyone. Hopefully deflation will work its way through along with rising interest rates until people have money to pay for mortgages and raise a family, DECENTLY, at the same time.

    In God we trust. And no one kids God.

  • Oisafraud

    Jesus first miracle was changing water into wine. Now that the Messiah is back, as his follow believe, I hope he doesn’t change wine back to water. I really love wine.

  • lark

    LD, did you understood my post? Then explain it.

  • LD

    I love your posts. Perfectly cryptically startlingly clear. Like the white snow.

    I think you are writing for “everyman”. I for one appreciate it.

  • Winston

    A trillion here and a trillion there; after a while it adds up to real money.

  • Winston

    I really want to see Obama tie his ass to a tree and walk 40 miles. If he can do that then he just might be JHC.

  • lark

    So you see, I have a solution. Now I don’t say that I will tell you what it is. But it is not that expensive and it will solve the problem the way that would satisfy the left, that is those in the socialist camp. And the right or the capitalistic crowd would then be free to pursue their greedy endeavors once again. I don’t care about greedy fellows as long as greed is kept out of apartment complexes dealings – that is deals where new mortgage money is part of the whole thing. Oh yes, maybe new mortgage money okay but not more that 50 percent of equity or better yet of market value. But then such a minuscule part of the whole economy and we better concentrate on the big chunks.

    So. Who’s Barack’s HUD nominee and what should we expect from him?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/14/financial/f131304S19.DTL&feed=rss.business

  • William L. Donlon

    It is far worse than you can ever know.
    30% unemployment by Christmas 2009

  • William L. Donlon

    This is much worse than you know!
    Multiply by ten and you might get there.

  • WhatNow

    Larry, I enjoy reading your column.I haven’t posted anything but it has been interesting reading your opinions about what’s going on with the economic crisis.

    As a future column idea, would you have something like send in your questions and I’ll try to address them in a column?

    My questions would be: Looking down the road a bit, How do we safe guard what’s left in our 401k and IRA? Do we keep them tied to the uostock market and watch our money drain, do we transfer to government securities even though there is no interest paid, do we cash out, pay the penalties and keep it under our mattress?

    Thanks for writing for NQ.

  • WhatNow

    This sentence should read:

    do we keep them tied to the stock market and watch our money drain,

  • UKforDems

    The reality is that the US (and the UK) banking mess is still heavily understated. Lending was pushed on a massive scale, without the desposits to back them up.

    The UK property market was so deregulated that properties in London were purchased by investors not homebuyers. Property price inflation was allowed to sky rocket and that infected banks worldwide. It also became an acceptable model world wide. The West had become addicted to hyper inflation. Better yet, rather than admit that teh economy was being built on hyper inflation, the UK and US removed property prices from their respective retail price indexes.

    This meant the true rate of inflation was not being measured. Our employees were effectively having direct pay stolen but it did not matter – look how much your house is worth. All this did was generate more debt on the “value” of debt. Banks loaned money for people on modest salaries to buy giant SUVs that would not otherwise have been purchased by anyone other than Executives.

    This “boosted” the economy more. Until the banks woke up and realised what they have done. The economy has no foundation. None. That is what recapitalisation means. Providing a foundation to debts already leant out. How are Governments doing that? Borrowing more.

  • LD

    WhatNow…..we do try to do this every week at LD’s Dollars and Sense “Central Station”. At that “station” (thread) I take questions from readers.

    In regard to your question, I would offer the following (it’s a bit like answering a question with more questions)

    I do not view an investment portfolio (401K, IRA, other investments) as an all or none proposition nor do I think others should as well.

    1. What is your time horizon (meaning how old are you) until you retire?

    2. How secure do you feel in your job?

    3. Are your investments causing you to lose sleep? If so, then you I would offer that you are taking too much risk.

    4. Are your investments diversified? (that is, a mix of stocks, bonds, short term funds, some international exposure)

    As you answer some of those questions, you may be able to better determine how to approach your 401K.

    I would strongly encourage you to continue to fund your 401K if you are able.

    I would also strongly encourage you not to take the funds out and pay the penalty.

    A 401K /IRA is supposed to be by its very nature a longer term savings vehicle but it allows you to shift funds. My sense is that the equity markets will take time to recover. Thus, I think there is better value in a mix of higher quality corporate bonds.

    If you are looking for a little more yield you can invest in a divesified, high quality bond fund. You need to do some homework on the fund and see exactly what types of bonds are in the portfolio.

    I hope this helps.

    Thanks for writing.

  • LD

    Sounds like HUD nominee Donovan has done an excellent job. Thanks for sharing.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Typo – Mayor Hylan died Jan 12, 1936., and I have egg on my face.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Typo – Mayor Hylan died Jan. 12, 1936.

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