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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-80319</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen,

Have you read the Mother Jones article re: &quot;The Lie Factory&quot; by Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest? I found that article very good and the graphic of the OSP is great for a quick visual. Link below:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html 

Also the Timeline in 2005, &quot;Senator Pat Roberts (R - KS) Helps to Fix the Intel by Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane was very helpful. Link below:
http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm

I still wonder what happened to William Luti in the OSP. Back then I thought that he was a conduit for the cherry picked Intel but it&#039;s been so long and so many unlawful activities that I can&#039;t even remember why I thought he was so important in the whole thing. Agh!

My representatives don&#039;t ever know what is going on with Phase II which is why I finally called Rockefellers office but they weren&#039;t very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,</p>
<p>Have you read the Mother Jones article re: &#8220;The Lie Factory&#8221; by Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest? I found that article very good and the graphic of the OSP is great for a quick visual. Link below:<br />
<a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html</a> </p>
<p>Also the Timeline in 2005, &#8220;Senator Pat Roberts (R &#8211; KS) Helps to Fix the Intel by Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane was very helpful. Link below:<br />
<a href="http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm</a></p>
<p>I still wonder what happened to William Luti in the OSP. Back then I thought that he was a conduit for the cherry picked Intel but it&#8217;s been so long and so many unlawful activities that I can&#8217;t even remember why I thought he was so important in the whole thing. Agh!</p>
<p>My representatives don&#8217;t ever know what is going on with Phase II which is why I finally called Rockefellers office but they weren&#8217;t very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79433</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry is this true to the best of your knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry is this true to the best of your knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79431</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl posted that link.  Thanks Cheryl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl posted that link.  Thanks Cheryl</p>
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		<title>By: wildcat87</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79420</link>
		<dc:creator>wildcat87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/12/11/2007-12-11_congressional_investigators_demand_addit-3.html</description>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79415</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If true..you have to be really good at running around in circles and getting through mazes with intelligence.  I get dizzy trying to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If true..you have to be really good at running around in circles and getting through mazes with intelligence.  I get dizzy trying to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79411</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl thanks for the links.  I have been hammering Reps especially Senator Rockefeller for three years about this issue.  David Corn, Larissa, Justin Raimando and Think Progress have written the most about this issue.  

From my understanding (will call Rockefeller today) the last two parts of that investigation/report are not complete.  Senator Pat Roberts did everything in his power to delay, divert and dilute that investigation.  Will Senator Rockefeller finish it?

Supposedly the last two parts of that report have to do with the Office of Special Plans where the majority of cherry picked and false pre war intelligence came out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl thanks for the links.  I have been hammering Reps especially Senator Rockefeller for three years about this issue.  David Corn, Larissa, Justin Raimando and Think Progress have written the most about this issue.  </p>
<p>From my understanding (will call Rockefeller today) the last two parts of that investigation/report are not complete.  Senator Pat Roberts did everything in his power to delay, divert and dilute that investigation.  Will Senator Rockefeller finish it?</p>
<p>Supposedly the last two parts of that report have to do with the Office of Special Plans where the majority of cherry picked and false pre war intelligence came out of.</p>
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		<title>By: Just So Jaded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just So Jaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From that day on, he answered every question,&quot; Kiriakou said. &quot;The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.&quot;  

That line reads like an attempt to justify if ever I heard one, and it smells to me... Why come forward now?  An attack of conscience? 

&quot;Kiriakou says he did not know that the interrogation of Zubaydah was being secretly recorded by the CIA and had no idea the tapes had been destroyed.&quot;  

So, he failed to notice the vidcam in the room?  Also, he didn&#039;t know about the taping, yet he had no idea the tapes were destroyed?  There&#039;s a contradiction, I&#039;m sure.  The whole article reads like some White House moron thought this up as a way to convey to the American public that, ya know,  sometimes you&#039;ve just got to waterboard, there&#039;s just no other way!  And, oops, sorry we got caught with our pants down.

Bottom line:  1) I can&#039;t believe this was not some kind of dis-information project.  2) I truely believe that Zubaydah will &lt;strong&gt;never&lt;/strong&gt; see the light of day again (or a courtroom) after that interview, no matter who is president. Maybe that was the intent...

One of the reasons I detest the current WH admin. so much is the way they have used our intelligence agencies like throw away toys. Sadly, our intel agencies may never recover from this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From that day on, he answered every question,&#8221; Kiriakou said. &#8220;The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That line reads like an attempt to justify if ever I heard one, and it smells to me&#8230; Why come forward now?  An attack of conscience? </p>
<p>&#8220;Kiriakou says he did not know that the interrogation of Zubaydah was being secretly recorded by the CIA and had no idea the tapes had been destroyed.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So, he failed to notice the vidcam in the room?  Also, he didn&#8217;t know about the taping, yet he had no idea the tapes were destroyed?  There&#8217;s a contradiction, I&#8217;m sure.  The whole article reads like some White House moron thought this up as a way to convey to the American public that, ya know,  sometimes you&#8217;ve just got to waterboard, there&#8217;s just no other way!  And, oops, sorry we got caught with our pants down.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  1) I can&#8217;t believe this was not some kind of dis-information project.  2) I truely believe that Zubaydah will <strong>never</strong> see the light of day again (or a courtroom) after that interview, no matter who is president. Maybe that was the intent&#8230;</p>
<p>One of the reasons I detest the current WH admin. so much is the way they have used our intelligence agencies like throw away toys. Sadly, our intel agencies may never recover from this.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79268</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flippin radio channels on the AM dial I run ito a caller on Hanitty ( insert derogatory) The caller was saying that &quot;Huckabee doen&#039;t support waterboarding but Guliani does&quot; She said it in way that made like it was baking bread. The conditioning of the masses continues...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flippin radio channels on the AM dial I run ito a caller on Hanitty ( insert derogatory) The caller was saying that &#8220;Huckabee doen&#8217;t support waterboarding but Guliani does&#8221; She said it in way that made like it was baking bread. The conditioning of the masses continues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79161</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiousity who were the &quot;Four of these five died shortly thereafter,&quot;?

If your writing states that 4 out of 5 players died, you would think it important to at least say the real names and circumstances of thier deaths.  
This artical leaves you with the imperession that the deaths were untimely.

Anyone?

 &lt;em&gt;Four of these five died shortly thereafter, except the Saudi Intel Chief, Sheikh al-Turki, who was later welcomed by the Bush Administration as the Saudi Ambassador to Washington. 

Now, here&#039;s the third reason: Abu Zubaydah was a key Al-Qaeda figure in the CIA&#039;s Chechnya operation, which involved several of the 9/11 hijackers. He was in a position to know about the relationship of the 9/11 Hamburg cell with the CIA&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiousity who were the &#8220;Four of these five died shortly thereafter,&#8221;?</p>
<p>If your writing states that 4 out of 5 players died, you would think it important to at least say the real names and circumstances of thier deaths.<br />
This artical leaves you with the imperession that the deaths were untimely.</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
<p> <em>Four of these five died shortly thereafter, except the Saudi Intel Chief, Sheikh al-Turki, who was later welcomed by the Bush Administration as the Saudi Ambassador to Washington. </p>
<p>Now, here&#8217;s the third reason: Abu Zubaydah was a key Al-Qaeda figure in the CIA&#8217;s Chechnya operation, which involved several of the 9/11 hijackers. He was in a position to know about the relationship of the 9/11 Hamburg cell with the CIA</em></p>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79147</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;ve already read the novel &quot;Outsourced.&quot;  The author ought to sue you for stealing her plot.  Nice try.

For those of you who like this type of thing, I encourage you to buy the novel.  It is a real page turner!  Oliver Stone ought to make a movie out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ve already read the novel &#8220;Outsourced.&#8221;  The author ought to sue you for stealing her plot.  Nice try.</p>
<p>For those of you who like this type of thing, I encourage you to buy the novel.  It is a real page turner!  Oliver Stone ought to make a movie out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79143</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry is equally impressive in person before a live audience.  Of course, I have a weakness for people who know what they&#039;re talking about, regardless of whether or not I share their opinion on the topic du jour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry is equally impressive in person before a live audience.  Of course, I have a weakness for people who know what they&#8217;re talking about, regardless of whether or not I share their opinion on the topic du jour.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79087</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Bolton,

I am sorry you were born.

Sincerely,

Yogi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Bolton,</p>
<p>I am sorry you were born.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Yogi</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79058</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, you can&#039;t make this stuff up.  The same people who get their TV news from FAUX read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/CIA_Directors_/2007/12/08/55697.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on Newsmax&lt;/a&gt; that torture &quot;is not painful.&quot;  That&#039;s why it&#039;s torture......really, I think my head just exploded a little bit inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, you can&#8217;t make this stuff up.  The same people who get their TV news from FAUX read <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/CIA_Directors_/2007/12/08/55697.html" rel="nofollow">on Newsmax</a> that torture &#8220;is not painful.&#8221;  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s torture&#8230;&#8230;really, I think my head just exploded a little bit inside.</p>
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		<title>By: OleHippieChick</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79024</link>
		<dc:creator>OleHippieChick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oboy, more names:
LATimes via Think Progress
AWOL military justice

Why the former chief prosecutor for the Office of Military Commissions resigned his post.
By Morris D. Davis
&lt;blockquote&gt;I had instructed the prosecutors in September 2005 that we would not offer any evidence derived by waterboarding, one of the aggressive interrogation techniques the administration has sanctioned. Haynes and I have different perspectives and support different agendas, and the decision to give him command over the chief prosecutor’s office, in my view, cast a shadow over the integrity of military commissions. I resigned a few hours after I was informed of Haynes’ place in my chain of command.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-davis10dec10,0,2446661.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

From TP:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Haynes is a close ally of Vice President Cheney and has been described as a “prime mover” in the effort to contravene the dictates of the Geneva Conventions. A 2003 working group appointed and supervised by Haynes argued the Geneva Conventions “must be construed as inapplicable to interrogations undertaken pursuant to [Bush’s] Commander-in-Chief authority.”

More recently, Haynes blocked Lt. Col. Stuart Couch, a former Guantanamo Bay prosecutor, from testifying before Congress about his experiences with “enhanced” interrogation.

In October, Morris also revealed that the Pentagon had been pushing for “high-profile” convictions of detainees ahead of the 2008 elections. Morris said “that he felt pressure to pursue cases that were deemed ’sexy’ over those that prosecutors believed were the most solid or were ready to go.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oboy, more names:<br />
LATimes via Think Progress<br />
AWOL military justice</p>
<p>Why the former chief prosecutor for the Office of Military Commissions resigned his post.<br />
By Morris D. Davis</p>
<blockquote><p>I had instructed the prosecutors in September 2005 that we would not offer any evidence derived by waterboarding, one of the aggressive interrogation techniques the administration has sanctioned. Haynes and I have different perspectives and support different agendas, and the decision to give him command over the chief prosecutor’s office, in my view, cast a shadow over the integrity of military commissions. I resigned a few hours after I was informed of Haynes’ place in my chain of command.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-davis10dec10,0,2446661.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-davis10dec10,0,2446661.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail</a></p>
<p>From TP:</p>
<blockquote><p>Haynes is a close ally of Vice President Cheney and has been described as a “prime mover” in the effort to contravene the dictates of the Geneva Conventions. A 2003 working group appointed and supervised by Haynes argued the Geneva Conventions “must be construed as inapplicable to interrogations undertaken pursuant to [Bush’s] Commander-in-Chief authority.”</p>
<p>More recently, Haynes blocked Lt. Col. Stuart Couch, a former Guantanamo Bay prosecutor, from testifying before Congress about his experiences with “enhanced” interrogation.</p>
<p>In October, Morris also revealed that the Pentagon had been pushing for “high-profile” convictions of detainees ahead of the 2008 elections. Morris said “that he felt pressure to pursue cases that were deemed ’sexy’ over those that prosecutors believed were the most solid or were ready to go.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Teaeopy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1144/what-destroyed-torture-tapes/#comment-79012</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaeopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, OHC. I thought I&#039;d followed a link to a NYTimes article on the subject, with a link to the letter .pdf, a couple of days or so ago, but I was unable to find it when I searched Google News today. I&#039;m still too stubborn to register at the NYTimes site, but I expect to get another look at the article sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, OHC. I thought I&#8217;d followed a link to a NYTimes article on the subject, with a link to the letter .pdf, a couple of days or so ago, but I was unable to find it when I searched Google News today. I&#8217;m still too stubborn to register at the NYTimes site, but I expect to get another look at the article sometime.</p>
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