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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1128305</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD, I can&#039;t wait to hear what you think. Today CNBC was just running over with stories about nationalizing the banks &amp; at Bloomberg Roubini was saying Citi &amp; BofA are bankrupt: &quot;Roubini Sees &#039;Nowhere to Hide&#039; from Global Slowdown (Update 2) by Betty Lui &amp; Eric Martin. Is it my imagination or are the stories getting worse every day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD, I can&#8217;t wait to hear what you think. Today CNBC was just running over with stories about nationalizing the banks &amp; at Bloomberg Roubini was saying Citi &amp; BofA are bankrupt: &#8220;Roubini Sees &#8216;Nowhere to Hide&#8217; from Global Slowdown (Update 2) by Betty Lui &amp; Eric Martin. Is it my imagination or are the stories getting worse every day?</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for that link....will check it out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that link&#8230;.will check it out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1127718</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking for insight into Obama&#039;s economic plans? Check out this article: &quot;Yes, we Keynes: Will Obama be the first President to implement the ideas of 20th century&#039;s greatest economist?&quot; by John B. Judis. I don&#039;t often read the New Republic but this article was recommended to me &amp; is really insightful. It&#039;s dated until Feb 9th, 2009 so you should be able to just pick it up by going to the New Republic&#039;s web site. This lays out a real tricky way to &quot;reward work not wealth&quot;.If John Judis has this right interest rates are going to remain low for the next 4 years. Check this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking for insight into Obama&#8217;s economic plans? Check out this article: &#8220;Yes, we Keynes: Will Obama be the first President to implement the ideas of 20th century&#8217;s greatest economist?&#8221; by John B. Judis. I don&#8217;t often read the New Republic but this article was recommended to me &amp; is really insightful. It&#8217;s dated until Feb 9th, 2009 so you should be able to just pick it up by going to the New Republic&#8217;s web site. This lays out a real tricky way to &#8220;reward work not wealth&#8221;.If John Judis has this right interest rates are going to remain low for the next 4 years. Check this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1126841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to timing constraints (and other issues), I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll pretty much end up with the stimulus package that&#039;s already been proposed, but it is interesting to read alternate viewpoints.  Considering the economic concerns relating to credit flow, lay offs and the potential for a large number  bankruptcies, I can&#039;t help but wonder if the plan for reducing the employment tax discussed in this Barron&#039;s article would be more beneficial.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB123215031962092011.html?mod=b_hpp_9_0002_b_this_weeks_magazine_home_top&amp;page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to timing constraints (and other issues), I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll pretty much end up with the stimulus package that&#8217;s already been proposed, but it is interesting to read alternate viewpoints.  Considering the economic concerns relating to credit flow, lay offs and the potential for a large number  bankruptcies, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if the plan for reducing the employment tax discussed in this Barron&#8217;s article would be more beneficial.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.barrons.com/article/SB123215031962092011.html?mod=b_hpp_9_0002_b_this_weeks_magazine_home_top&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://online.barrons.com/article/SB123215031962092011.html?mod=b_hpp_9_0002_b_this_weeks_magazine_home_top&#038;page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1126757</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that link. Lots of very valid points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that link. Lots of very valid points.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1126688</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still haven&#039;t been able to find a really informative article explaining how the stimulus package will solve our credit flow problem, however, I did find an interesting interview with the shadow financial regulatory committee:

Economists to Obama:  Get the Government out of the Banking Business

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=2146</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t been able to find a really informative article explaining how the stimulus package will solve our credit flow problem, however, I did find an interesting interview with the shadow financial regulatory committee:</p>
<p>Economists to Obama:  Get the Government out of the Banking Business</p>
<p><a href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=2146" rel="nofollow">http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=2146</a></p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British Pound: Not So Sterling 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In November, Willem Buiter warned that the UK could follow Iceland into default:

&lt;em&gt;With the pound sterling dropping like a stone against most other currencies and credit default swap rates on long-term UK sovereign debt beginning to edge up, this is a good time to revisit a suggestion I made earlier on a number of occasions (e.g. here, here and here), that there is a non-trivial risk of the UK becoming the next Iceland.

The risk of a triple crisis - a banking crisis, a currency crisis and a sovereign debt default crisis - is always there for countries that are afflicted with the inconsistent quartet identified by Anne Sibert and myself in our work on Iceland: (1) a small country with (2) a large internationally exposed banking sector, (3) a currency that is not a global reserve currency and (4) limited fiscal capacity.&lt;/em&gt;

All of this seems to be coming true.

UK banks are technically insolvent.
&lt;em&gt;

The risk of a sovereign debt default is real. As John Higgins, of Capital Economics, points out:

&quot;The 5-year credit default swap for the UK government has widened by 25bp since early January.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

And the Sterling is tanking. Indeed, Jim Rogers is saying:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Sell any sterling you might have. It&#039;s finished&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

For further analysis on the sterling, see this roundup from Nouriel Roubini, and this one from Mish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
http://www.rgemonitor.com/10000?cluster_id=4757
 
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/pound-sinks-as-britain-teeters-on-edge.html

&lt;strong&gt;Source for blockquote [links active]: &lt;/strong&gt;
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/01/uk-economy-is-not-so-sterling.html

 
&lt;strong&gt;Euro: Once a Boon, Now a Burden&lt;/strong&gt; 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/business/worldbusiness/24euro.html
 
&lt;strong&gt;Iceland Senior Minister Resigns; Gordon Brown Next?&lt;/strong&gt; 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126682/Icelands-senior-minister-resigns-government-global-political-casualty-credit-crunch.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British Pound: Not So Sterling </p>
<blockquote><p>In November, Willem Buiter warned that the UK could follow Iceland into default:</p>
<p><em>With the pound sterling dropping like a stone against most other currencies and credit default swap rates on long-term UK sovereign debt beginning to edge up, this is a good time to revisit a suggestion I made earlier on a number of occasions (e.g. here, here and here), that there is a non-trivial risk of the UK becoming the next Iceland.</p>
<p>The risk of a triple crisis &#8211; a banking crisis, a currency crisis and a sovereign debt default crisis &#8211; is always there for countries that are afflicted with the inconsistent quartet identified by Anne Sibert and myself in our work on Iceland: (1) a small country with (2) a large internationally exposed banking sector, (3) a currency that is not a global reserve currency and (4) limited fiscal capacity.</em></p>
<p>All of this seems to be coming true.</p>
<p>UK banks are technically insolvent.<br />
<em></p>
<p>The risk of a sovereign debt default is real. As John Higgins, of Capital Economics, points out:</p>
<p>&#8220;The 5-year credit default swap for the UK government has widened by 25bp since early January.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>And the Sterling is tanking. Indeed, Jim Rogers is saying:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Sell any sterling you might have. It&#8217;s finished&#8221;</em></p>
<p>For further analysis on the sterling, see this roundup from Nouriel Roubini, and this one from Mish.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/10000?cluster_id=4757" rel="nofollow">http://www.rgemonitor.com/10000?cluster_id=4757</a></p>
<p><a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/pound-sinks-as-britain-teeters-on-edge.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/pound-sinks-as-britain-teeters-on-edge.html</a></p>
<p><strong>Source for blockquote [links active]: </strong><br />
<a href="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/01/uk-economy-is-not-so-sterling.html" rel="nofollow">http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/01/uk-economy-is-not-so-sterling.html</a></p>
<p><strong>Euro: Once a Boon, Now a Burden</strong> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/business/worldbusiness/24euro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/business/worldbusiness/24euro.html</a></p>
<p><strong>Iceland Senior Minister Resigns; Gordon Brown Next?</strong> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126682/Icelands-senior-minister-resigns-government-global-political-casualty-credit-crunch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126682/Icelands-senior-minister-resigns-government-global-political-casualty-credit-crunch.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sammie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1126584</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of financial and economic issues, so far I haven&#039;t been able to come across a good synopsis or analysis of the stimulus plan that spells out exactly how it will help the economy.  From what I&#039;ve read so far, it seems to include tax cuts or rebates, including rebates to those who don&#039;t pay federal income taxes, additional funding for no child left behind and money for contraceptives and infrastructure (which is obviously a more long term investment).  Considering the present environment of tight credit, business failures and layoffs, I&#039;m just not sure how the plan is going to stimulate the economy.   

Are any economists saying this plan will help?  Has anyone come across any good articles on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of financial and economic issues, so far I haven&#8217;t been able to come across a good synopsis or analysis of the stimulus plan that spells out exactly how it will help the economy.  From what I&#8217;ve read so far, it seems to include tax cuts or rebates, including rebates to those who don&#8217;t pay federal income taxes, additional funding for no child left behind and money for contraceptives and infrastructure (which is obviously a more long term investment).  Considering the present environment of tight credit, business failures and layoffs, I&#8217;m just not sure how the plan is going to stimulate the economy.   </p>
<p>Are any economists saying this plan will help?  Has anyone come across any good articles on it?</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A person of real change would perhaps have considered the “historical” value of not being vulgar&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But instead he considered honoring vulgarity and received the approval of the majority of voters. So, vulgarity it is and vulgar he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A person of real change would perhaps have considered the “historical” value of not being vulgar</p></blockquote>
<p>But instead he considered honoring vulgarity and received the approval of the majority of voters. So, vulgarity it is and vulgar he is.</p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is an article from today&#039;s Seattle Times  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008641550_schapiro18.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is an article from today&#8217;s Seattle Times  <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008641550_schapiro18.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008641550_schapiro18.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11464/no-quarters-dollars-and-sense-with-ld-open-thread/#comment-1119000</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This woman is not the right person to be in charge.

Contact Dodd here http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3128

OR

U.S. Senator Chris Dodd 448 Russell Building &#124; Washington D.C., 20510. Tel: (202) 224-2823 &#124; Fax: (202) 224-1083 &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This woman is not the right person to be in charge.</p>
<p>Contact Dodd here <a href="http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3128" rel="nofollow">http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3128</a></p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>U.S. Senator Chris Dodd 448 Russell Building | Washington D.C., 20510. Tel: (202) 224-2823 | Fax: (202) 224-1083 </strong></p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can anyone,  is this economy, justify  spending this obscene amount of money for the inauguration? A person of real change would perhaps have considered the “historical” value of not being vulgar in trying to purchase history, on the backs of the citizens of this country. A real person of change may have chosen a route in history that proved their care for their fellow citizen by being different in leaving the pomp and circumstance to others, instead going for a more humble and respectful lead up and ceremony. That would be a cause for history to stop and take notice. 

This is probably a low estimate  for the cost of the inauguration : ~45 Million + 11.9 Grants for Security= 56 Million
Which could have been spent for the following:
Average cost of Health care: 7900 per person= Coverage for 7088 uninsured Americans
Average salary of a teacher 35,000 =  Paid 1600 Salaries
Average salary of a soldier 20,750 = Paid 2698 salaries
Average tuition for public college 6500 = Paid tuition for 8615 Public college students.

Below are the National Poverty Guidelines 

HHS Poverty Guidelines[17] which are illustrated in the table below.
Persons in Family Unit	48 Contiguous States and D.C.	Alaska	Hawaii
1	$10,400	$13,000	$11,960
2	$14,000	$17,500	$16,100
3	$17,600	$22,000	$20,240
4	$21,200	$26,500	$24,380
5	$24,800	$31,000	$28,520
6	$28,400	$35,500	$32,660
7	$32,000	$40,000	$36,800
8	$35,600	$44,500	$40,940
For each additional person, add	$3,600	$4,500	$4,140</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anyone,  is this economy, justify  spending this obscene amount of money for the inauguration? A person of real change would perhaps have considered the “historical” value of not being vulgar in trying to purchase history, on the backs of the citizens of this country. A real person of change may have chosen a route in history that proved their care for their fellow citizen by being different in leaving the pomp and circumstance to others, instead going for a more humble and respectful lead up and ceremony. That would be a cause for history to stop and take notice. </p>
<p>This is probably a low estimate  for the cost of the inauguration : ~45 Million + 11.9 Grants for Security= 56 Million<br />
Which could have been spent for the following:<br />
Average cost of Health care: 7900 per person= Coverage for 7088 uninsured Americans<br />
Average salary of a teacher 35,000 =  Paid 1600 Salaries<br />
Average salary of a soldier 20,750 = Paid 2698 salaries<br />
Average tuition for public college 6500 = Paid tuition for 8615 Public college students.</p>
<p>Below are the National Poverty Guidelines </p>
<p>HHS Poverty Guidelines[17] which are illustrated in the table below.<br />
Persons in Family Unit	48 Contiguous States and D.C.	Alaska	Hawaii<br />
1	$10,400	$13,000	$11,960<br />
2	$14,000	$17,500	$16,100<br />
3	$17,600	$22,000	$20,240<br />
4	$21,200	$26,500	$24,380<br />
5	$24,800	$31,000	$28,520<br />
6	$28,400	$35,500	$32,660<br />
7	$32,000	$40,000	$36,800<br />
8	$35,600	$44,500	$40,940<br />
For each additional person, add	$3,600	$4,500	$4,140</p>
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