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Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk?

At the Sunday rally in Manchester, NH, Oprah Winfrey stirred the crowd:

“Ain’t you tired of the old way of politics,” Winfrey asked. The crowd responded “Yes.”

Barack Obama recently said:

”We’ve had enough of … triangulation and poll-driven politics,” he said. ”That’s not what we need right now.’

Obama is rising in the polls because he’s expressing FEELINGS that people WANT to hear. People are worn down by the last seven years, and they want to believe what they’re hearing from a hopeful, fresh candidate. The problem is, it’s just talk. Here are some pithy examples of (1) Obama as the triangulator extraordinaire, and (2) Obama as a do-nothing — yes, a do-nothing.

A do-nothing? You can’t even find it listed at his Senate Web site, but Sen. Obama is the chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs for the Senate Foreign Relations committee. That subcommittee oversees “U.S. involvement with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), relations with the European Union (EU), and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.”

Shockingly — although his campaign has tried to beef up his thin international experience by citing his chairmanship of the subcommittee on European affairs — according to Congressional Quarterly, Sen. Obama has not held a single hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. It’s little wonder, then, that Sen. Obama’s Senate site doesn’t list his chairmanship.

Then there’s IRAQ, and Obama’s (and Oprah’s) incessant claim– as Oprah told the Des Moines crowd on Saturday, “long before it was the popular thing to do, he stood with clarity and conviction against this war in Iraq.”

In July of `04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of `04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it. (“Meet the Press,” 2004, via MyDD, Nov. 11, 2007)

“What would I have done? I don’t know” … “There’s not much of a difference” between him and George W. Bush … “some room for disagreement in that initial decision. …” If that’s not triangulation, I don’t know what is.

What about Obama’s speeches on Iraq in the U.S. Senate? “[H]e did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. …”

What about Obama’s voting record in the U.S. Senate on Iraq? TPM Election Central painstakingly compared every single vote on Iraq by Sens. Clinton and Obama, since Obama entered the Senate. Senators Clinton and Obama voted identically, except once: On the confirmation of “General George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army, held just this past February. Hillary voted against confirmation, while Obama voted to confirm.” Why did Sen. Clinton vote against Gen. Casey’s confirmation?

During his nomination hearing to be Army Chief of Staff, I questioned General Casey about recent reports, both by the Department of Defense Inspector General and press accounts, that units and personnel lacked the necessary equipment. General Casey responded that was not aware of the problems cited in these reports and actually quite surprised at the reported shortcomings. In the Inspector General report’s summary, the equipment shortages were attributed to basic management failures among military commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan. General Casey was not aware of this investigation or its recommendations that oversight must immediately improve to ensure proper distribution of equipment; as a result units and personnel are not able to perform assign missions. — From “Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Vote on Confirmation of General George W. Casey to be Army Chief of Staff,” Feb. 8, 2007

How did Sen. Obama defend his vote for Gen. Casey?

“It is a bit unseemly that General Casey is being made the scapegoat for a war that never should have been fought and for a failed strategy dictated by the civilian leadership in the White House. The President, Vice President and other civilian officials set forth an unworkable strategy with inadequate resources and did not listen to the advice of generals on the ground. They are the ones ultimately responsible for the current situation in Iraq. I hope General Casey will get more support for his new mission, which is so important to the country. I want to see General Casey use his experience in Iraq to ensure that the civilian leadership in Washington understands the challenges faced and resources needed by today’s Army.”

That’s it. That’s the entire press release. Not a word about Gen. Casey’s failure to know about the crisis in equipment shortages or the “basic management failures” during Gen. Casey’s own time in Iraq or the Inspector General’s shocking report.

What about the senators’ trips to Iraq? In his three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama has visited Iraq once. Sen. Clinton has visited Iraq and Afghanistan three times.


We Americans all love good orators. We yearn to feel our hearts soar with optimism. We flock to the “sunny” candidates like Ronald Reagan. We want to feel better about our country but — when we’re sober and reflective — don’t we really want the candidate who’s walked the walk.

Sen. Clinton has stuck her neck out — by voting against Gen. Casey’s confirmation, by voting against the attack-dog resolution against MoveOn.org and by voting on the Iran resolution. (Yes, the last was controversial, but remember that she was the first senator to warn Pres. Bush against taking military action against Iran and that she partnered with Sen. Jim Webb’s resolution to require Congressional authorization before any military action against Iran.)

Sen. Obama failed to show up for the MoveOn or Iran votes, and in effect lied when he lamely told Wolf Blitzer that he didn’t know the Iran vote was coming up and didn’t have time to get back from campaigning in New Hampshire. (In fact, all senators were informed the day before that the Iran resolution vote was to come up the next day.)

There’s more to say, but I’ll close for now with this from “Hillary Clinton: More Than Just Talk” at Huffington Post:

In an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that Senator Obama served in the Illinois state senate just three years ago and would have less experience than any president since World War II, Senator Obama and his advisors have gone on the attack. They have criticized the role Senator Clinton has played in promoting American interests during her eight years as First Lady, seven years in the Senate, and four years as a member of the Senator Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton as First Lady was “America’s finest ambassador abroad,” Madeleine Albright’s office said at the time. Hillary Clinton did much more than “get picked up at the airport by a state convoy and security detail . . . . and get lunch” with an ambassador, as Senator Obama implied recently. As Newsweek reported about Senator Clinton’s diplomatic missions as First Lady, “She often travels to remote regions where no presidential motorcade would venture and where no secretary of state would have time to go.” Her 1995 speech at the UN World Conference on Women in Beijing, where she famously proclaimed “women’s rights are human rights,” remains an inspiration to leaders of the fight for women’s equality around the world. Long before others, she visited countries stricken by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria throughout the world, urging better prevention and treatment strategies, and returned to Washington to push for greater action within the US government. Her 1995 trip to India helped open the door to the transformation in relations between the world’s two largest democracies. She raised awareness on mine issues in the Balkans and led humanitarian efforts on behalf of Kosovar refugees.

As Senator, Hillary has fought to ensure our troops have the body armor they need while in combat, and she has passed laws so that returning soldiers are treated with dignity when they return home. She has placed education at the center of U.S. international assistance. She has been a leader in combating nuclear proliferation and the threat of nuclear terrorism. She has championed efforts to end the genocide in Darfur and been a leading voice in calling for action to end global warming. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, she has visited our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan three times.

By contrast Senator Obama has been in the U.S. Senate under three years. His campaign has touted his experience as chairman of a subcommittee on European affairs, which, according to Congressional Quarterly, has not held a hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. Senator Obama has traveled to Iraq once, 23 months ago.

We respect Senator Obama’s opposition to the war as a state senator in Illinois. But when he was actually in a position to influence policy from the U.S. Senate, he did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. … READ ALL.

People want change. But change from Obama? It’s illusory. Hillary Clinton has brought change for decades, fighting for women’s rights in the 1960s and 1970s when it was far, far tougher than it is these days. Fighting for children’s rights long before it was a common practice.

Obama is infamous for voting “present” on too many tough votes when he was in the Illinois state senate. He has skipped tough votes in the U.S. Senate. How can he possibly be that “the-buck-stops-here” tough leader we’ll need in the White House?

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    Terrific piece Susan. The facts speak for themselves. Obama has not stood up to face the fire. He’s got the finger in the wind.

  • Retired

    “…is rising in the polls because he’s expressing FEELINGS that people WANT to hear. People are worn down by the last seven years, and they want to believe what they’re hearing…”

    I believe we need to coin a new phrase for this type of wishful thinking: “Taking the Red Pill.” My apologies to “The Matrix” for this theft of concept.

  • Nellie

    Susan, as always a terric post.

    As a native New Hampshirite, I have a few points to add about Obama.

    Shortly after the DNC event for all the Democratic candidates, I sent each campaign a list of 10 questions. In my letter I stated I was a College Professor, and expected in depth responses. Some campaigns answered in full, some ignored my request.

    Obama’s campaign sent me two 8×10 black and white pictures of Obama – one full face and the other a side view of him walking across a stage. The only written response was a short note thanking me for my interest-that’s It. I was insulted! Did the fools think that because we are a rural state that we’d be impressed by “Rock Star” status as opposed to substance? Didn’t he realize that NH people take their politics seriously, and we vote character – not for the next American Idol?

    It’s interesting that Obam’s preferred venue in NH is the 10,000 seat Verizon Center. Until the year 2000, NH never had a large auditorium. Candidates rented College Field Houses or Gyms. Verizon paid for and DONATED that bulding to the city of Manchester. Previously the location had been a rather run down Zayre’s strip mall and the young folks travled to the Worcester Ma Civic Center, 2 1/2 hours away, for concerts. So the upside is that our kids stayed closer to home.

    Now it seems that the Verizon Center, where Obama draws crowds of 2-4 Thousand, is his favorite site. Like anywhere else, NH people like to be entertained and enjoy a good show, and so they go to watch. However, the talk in the state centers around the fact that Obama ‘HIDES’ from people by being distant on stage, and won’t meet one on one to answer questions directly.

    So sure, Obama writes well, and is terrific at making speeches – He ought to be, he went to Harvard Law, and was Editor of the Law review.

    However, the citizens of NH note that while Obama has great speaking skills, he has very limited COMMUNICATION skills or substance. They also comment a lot on the fact that he probably will not LISTEN well – a quality we demand in our leaders.

    As to the poll numbers. The national press has always treated NH people as ‘country bumbkins’ and are generally pretty damn rude. So, we generally tell them whatever they want to hear in order to get rid of them quickly. Once again, the MSM may find that they were pretty far off base.

  • sheerahkahn

    There’s a reason why I prefer Edwards over Obama and Hillary…alas, not a very deep field of choices overall, but at this point as long as “Republican” is not attached to their name*…I’ll hold my nose and vote for the one that is put up…anything has got to be an improvement over our current circumstances.

    * I should note that I’m saying this with the full recognition that there are a significant portion of the American voting public who are either crazy, insane, or just plain not paying attention to current news, who would still vote Republican.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Absolutely fascinating and knowledgeable comments.

    Nellie, the response to your sending out a questionnaire as a professor is rather astonishing. I can imagine you felt insulted. We don’t need a far-off symbol. We need a doer. We need a decision-maker. We need a practical person who can field the volleys.

    Another thing that worries me about Obama in a general election is that he has never run against a tough Republican challenger. Alan Keyes was a joke in ’04.

    Wait ’til the Republicans dig into his liberal stands on the old questionnaires that people have dug up this past week. They’ll decimate him with what he’s written and said — and now he’s denying he filled out the questionnaire?!

    And some of his votes in the state senate are fodder for both sides. More about those in the coming days.

    Agree with you about the communication skills. When he has to speak extemporaneously, he doesn’t do well. And he’s weak in debates. That’s another area where he’d fare badly in the general … as unappealing as they may seem to us, most of the Republican candidates could handily defeat him in general election debates.

  • Nellie

    Susan – Thanks for the kudos-coming from you that is high praise indeed.

    To sum up Obama in two words – he is shallow and superficial!

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    I’d definitely go for Edwards over Obama. Sen. Clinton is my emphatic first choice but if it came to it, I’d go for Edwards. Or Dodd, who has many qualities and views I admire. I think Edwards has the grit, the brains, and he’d be decisive as president. As would Sen. Clinton.

    But Obama just doesn’t have that decisive quality or — as people used to mention about the great bridge players back in the days when I played tournament bridge — that “killer instinct.” You gotta have that “killer instinct” to 1) weather a brutal general election race against any of the GOP candidates, and 2) survive the constant onslaught of criticisms when one is president, and still be decisive and take risks. Obama isn’t a risk-taker. Overall, he’s had a pretty easy life. Both Sens. Clinton and Edwards have not had easy lives but are survivors and great successes.

  • Stoic

    I’ve started calling him “The Imaginary Obama” because all the Obama supporters I talk to have an imaginary ideal candidate who only vaguely resembles the man.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Succinctly put, and accurate.

  • Mr.Murder

    She didn’t give the right answer in the deabte though.

    Diamonds and Pearls.

    Why have either/or when the world can offer both?

    As for Obama, how long is it before the pundits recycle some Superfly 70′s lingo to describe him.

    He doesn’t just walk, he has this strut about him. One that makes Chris Matthews think of Men’s Cologne and it makes him dizzy like when he’s having a sugar rush…

    Alan Keyes is still around to blame kids for America’s downfall after Mutt Romney discussed Education policy that would make the upper quarter of Americans who test well be able to merit
    paid college…

    Now if only we could steer those test funds Neil and Marvin Bush’s way like we did NCLB….

  • Cee

    They must not think so. Shaheen has made a huge blunder by trying to make his past drug use an issue.

    Where does Hillary stand on this?

    Obama Supports Homegrown Terrorism Bill
    Jessica Lee

    Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama says that he will support the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act (S. 1959). According to the automatic email responses constituents are receiving from his office, Obama appears to be straddling the fence between preserving civil liberties and being tough on terrorism.

  • Kathleen

    Obama and Oprah almost make spinning the truth sound and look good

    During the Oprah and Obama show I found both of their efforts to convince the American public that Senator Obama will be “bold” and will not conduct “business as usual” if he becomes the Democratic candidate for President hollow, insincere and hypocritical.

    We know that Senator Obama recently had an opportunity to take a solid stand against any efforts by the Bush administration to escalate a confrontation with Iran when the Kyl Lieberman amendment came up for a vote. He did not. Senator Obama was so “bold” he happened to be out of town the day of this critical vote. We also know that Senator Hillary Clinton voted for that amendment.

    Several years ago Senator Obama had an opportunity to demonstrate his allegedly “bold” stances on other issues. During the nomination hearings of both John Bolton and Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice (I watched them) Senator’s Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd and Lincoln Chaffee asked hard driving “bold” questions of both Bolton and Rice. During that same hearing Senator Obama played it safe and asked softball questions. “Bold” is certainly not the way I would describe Obama’s actions. More like riding the fence and then spinning the truth.

    Obama and Oprah can spin all they want, but facts do matter to some voters.

    We know Hillary voted for the 2002 war resolution. We know that she voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment allowing the Bush administration to move closer to a confrontation with Iran. We know that Hillary sarcastically laughed when she was challenged about this vote by Mike Gravel soon after the vote.

    We know Hillary is a war hawk and the I-lobby owns a big piece of Hillary.

    John Edwards is the only candidate not taking Pac money.

  • Kathleen

    If Edwards, Obama and Clinton all came out on the Iran issue the same way. I would certainly go for Obama or Clinton before Edwards. But they do not. Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment and as Senator Webb stated this was “tantamount to declaring war on Iran”. Obama played it safe and skipped the vote. John Edwards has taken a solid stance against the Bush administration and any push for a confrontation with Iran. Edwards is not taking any Pac Money.

    Here is what Webb said about the Kyl Lieberman
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/25/sen-webb-blasts-liebermankyl-amendment-this-proposal-is-dick-cheneys-fondest-pipe-dream/

  • Kathleen

    John Edwards is committed to a living wage, equity in education, dealing with poverty, supports unions, and has apologized for his vote for the 2002 war resolution and has consistently stood firm against any type of escalation of the inflammatory rhetoric towards Iran or military confrontation. He learned from his 2002 mistake, he know he was mis-lead. I can’t stand men who can not accept responsibility for their mistakes and apologize let alone women who do the same.

    Hillary has demonstrated an inability to come clean on this very serious issue her 2002 war resolution vote and then went ahead and voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment. Did you watch her reaction to being questioned about her vote..she was sarcastic, arrogant and dismissive. Reminded me of Bush.

    For me Edwards is the one.

  • Mr.Murder

    Sen. Obama did nothing to oppose the invasion of Iraq and its obvious threat to our longstanding role as worl superpower(the notion of which is itself a myth, only now made patently obvious).

    He thinks a rubber stamp, or even silence, equals opposition.

    He was courting the old school backing of the Chicago School, and even courting right wing votes in Hastert’s district.

    He’s got a lot of nerve, but it’s clear that he’s not got a lot to run on, or else Oprah would not be joined to his hip right now.

    That’s all you got? Where’s the game, Barack?

    Where’s your years of teaching law, your practice, even your days in the Legislature?

    Is it that bad a record to run from, than use?

    You didn’t make waves for a reason, but it’s evident someone needs to come in who can take the steps to get us back on course at home and abroad…

    maybe that’s why Colin Powell is your advisor.

    You fumbled the European Affairs Committee BIG TIME and it’s starving NATO to wither on the vine in war torn Afghanistan where you could have already made some leadership statements…

    imitating NEOCONS doesn’t win you win a thing.

  • MEP

    Well stated.

  • Kathleen

    Haartz
    the Israel Factor…interesting
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtm
    l?itemNo=757692

    Ranking the Presidential candidates..”the Israel Factor”

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml

  • MEP

    Hillary falling between Rudy and Bloomberg……..gee, does that make her a centrist?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    We all know you are for John Edwards, Kathleen. We really know. :) But I do have to say that I’d feel better about your attacks on the other candidates if you backed them up with actual quotes and links, rather than your opinions.

  • Ken

    You really think Democrats are stupid enough to believe this crap.

    Here’s the facts. Obama spoke out against the war, when most of America thought it was a good idea.

    Print the speech. I know you won’t, because you hate Obama, don’t know why.

    Everything he said in that speech came true.

    Meanwhile, Edwards thought going into Iraq was a great idea, as did Hillary.

    Now of course the polls have shown the war is un-poular, so Edwards flip-flopped.

    Sorry. I can read. And Obama is my Senator. He has done more for working people and minorities then Edwards could ever dream of.

    You could read up and learn. But you won’t. You hate Obama, and that is your problem.

    You will be left behind and prove you are only important in your own mind.

    How do lying sleaze like you sleep?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Wow Susan, excellent post! You really put a lot of work into this one. Not that you don’t put a lot of work into all your posts. But this one must’ve taken lots of work!

    Quite frankly, I’m not keen on any of the Democratic candidates. Even though all of them are a good sight better than any of the GOP candidates. For example: Huckabee doesn’t believe in evolution, Giuliani Mr. 9/11-NOT, Romney Mr. Slick Opportunist, Thompson Mr. 1980s time warp, etc. If a Republican wins the 2008 ticket, we’ll be in deep trouble. They’ll continue Bushie-ness!

    Just wish there were a Democratic candidate I could get excited about. But none of them do it for me. Although Dodd comes close more often than the others for me. But he probably won’t win the ticket.

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    Fuck off asshole. You don’t get to insult Susan on my blog.
    LJ

  • Shirin

    No to Obama.

    No to Hillary.

    A reluctant maybe to Edwards.

  • Shirin

    Every single bloody one of them panders to Israel/AIPAC to one degree or another. Hillary is one of the worst. As I have noted a few times before, she lost me forever during her senatorial campaign when she responded to “expressions of concern” by “Jewish groups” by making a P.R. event out of returning contributions from Muslim supporters.

    The best thing any American president could do for Israel would be to tell them to evacuate their illegal colonies, get back inside the green line, demonstrate that they have given up their expansionist ambitions by declaring the green line to be their border, and pay reparations to the Palestinians, the Lebanese, and the Golan Syrians.

    How interesting that Kucinich is nowhere to be seen on that page.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    On Iraq: Did you read what Obama was saying about Iraq in 2004? It’s in my piece. Those are quotes from Chicago newspapers and other media.

    On your statement here: “He has done more for working people and minorities then Edwards could ever dream of.”

    Do tell. I mean it. Do tell me exactly what that is that he’s done. With links and proof, like I provided.

    (And, thanks, Larry. There are ways to critique a post, and then there are below-the-belt attacks without an iota of proof .)

  • Shirin

    Susan, the thing is that when it comes to Iraq I don’t see a significant difference between Obama and Hillary.

    When it comes to Iran, I don’t see a significant difference between Obama and Hillary. Hillary votes the wrong way, and Obama, as is his cowardly wont, ducks the issue.

    If foreign policy were not such a hugely important thing in this election, I might feel less negatively inclined toward Hillary, but foreign policy is the number one issue as far as I am concerned and neither one of them is even remotely acceptable to me in that regard.

  • justsomeone

    Since Sen. Clinton keeps emphasing her experience so much & yet she is only in her second term, I assume she is taking credit for many of the initiatives of her husband’s administration. The Community Reinvestment Act, in my opinion, was the flash point, the beginning of the subprime mortgage mess. Anyone with a lick of common sense should of known granting billions? trillions? of dollars of loans to people without income verification, 10-20% down, or a responsible credit history could not escape economic disaster; especially while simultaneously outsourcing so many of the types of jobs needed to make paying back a mortgage possible. I’m with Leslie on this one, I just can’t get excited by any of the canidates. I’ve stated previously, I’m reluctant to support dynastic canidates i.e. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Enough is enough. Sen Obama? maybe. Rep Paul? maybe. Edwards? maybe…Sen Dodd?

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Other than a lot of women going ga-ga over him, Obama is so devoid of Content that he’d need remedial instruction to come up to Shallow.

    “You can get awful famous in this country in seven days.” - Gary Hart

  • Billy

    Biden? Anyone? Hello? If we’re REALLY talking about “walking the walk” it’s Biden-time!

  • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

    Ken – you are so far out in left field you’re not even in the ballpark anymore. Disagree if you like, but comments like yours deserve the permanent “banning” button.

    I don’t always agree with Susan but so what. I’ve met her and I can attest to the fact… she’s fab.

  • Shirin

    Obama is so devoid of Content that he’d need remedial instruction to come up to Shallow.

    LOL! Well said. He lost me forever when he declared that the real reason “they hate us” in the Muslim world is that they hear about us from “our enemies” and not “us”, and that the solution was to establish “America Houses” throughout the Muslim world, where “we” would provide internet cafes (he doesn’t realize, apparently, that internet cafes in most of the Muslim world are kind of like Starbucks in the US – there is at a least one on every block) and that “we” would also teach them English. Well, teaching them English is a great idea! After all, that would allow them to understand “our” bullshit in the original as opposed to in translation.

  • Shirin

    ummmmm – noooooooo! A big fat NO WAYQ

  • Shirin

    ummmmm – noooooooo! A big fat NO WAY to Mr. Joe “we’re the imperial ruler, so let’s divide Iraq in three parts along nonexistent ethno-sectarian lines” Biden.

    What part of “that’s not sovereignty, let alone democracy, for Iraq, that’s pure imperialism” is not clear in his ignorance-based position on Iraq?

  • Shirin

    I often disagree with Susan, and she with me, but she always has my respect, even at the times she annoys me.

  • Mr.Murder

    Edwards’ vote was a McAwful move. No get support of the DNC, without war votes, rookie.

    See what happened to Dean speaking out against the idea of going to Iraq…

    Howard made mistakes of his own, true, but he was still painted in a corner. He and Clark opposed one another when they would have best paired to oppose the other picks.

    Dean over saturated efforts in Iowa as well.

    Edwards gave Kerry his Iowa votes(practically a no-show) in order to distance John from the pack, so the party machinery could kick in.

    Then Edwards would weigh back in at South Carolina, provided Sharpton could split the Clark base.

    Al got help from direct mailer Roger Stone, a long time GOP swinger. Sharpton clung to support just enough to limit other’s gains, he was slated to drop out of the race and endorse Clark until a late cash arrival from Stone.

    Clark was taken out by further a Matt Drudge smear that was never officially attributed to anyone, and witnesses at the place Drudge said the rumor was spoken(five other journalists) denied any such conversation. Drudge appears to have counted himself as one of six journalists, a reach in its own right.

    Clark was already getting out. The press had hooks for him and he didn’t have the money or inclination to go full bore with the DLC boredom message, politics as usual, etc. He’s hgelp others but it wouldn’t be his own campaign.

    http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/02/13/drudge/index.html

    Conason dissected the Drudge smear.

    Most likely the rumor started with another reporter/political operative who was at New Hampshire in the Primary, and was telling inappropriate jokes(including swinger references) and calling himself a “Clark supporter.”

    My old posts at the campaign site are gone, perhaps Nexis would show them. Google is not bringing the terms on nine pages… a lot of the on the ground supporters blogged the Primaries live that day.

    This ‘supporter’ basically put out a bad example at the polls, it could very well be that he was who Drudge was talking with on the Kerry smear, as his ‘Clark supporter’ since that was his initial claim, then it became “Gen.Clark said…” at a later time as the story built up steam. Along with the help of press apparatchik Jeff Gannon of GOPUSA, the infamous White House stay-over fake marine, fake name, call boy….

    The two people Drudge tried to attribute his lie to denied it outright. He in fact issued retractions.

    It could be a classic case of ratf*ck*ng. Put in moles to create bad PR, then get a press flack to shape a story for false controversy. Get called on it,you got nothing, other than have brought down a very good campaign with the help of press enablers.

    That was last year, the only thing left is to try and destroy Democrat support regionally so they can hold enough ground to become obstructionist to the coming Democratic President.

    The media may even go so far as to shape narrative using the press and coup us again with Diebold. They’re already giving GOP polling fronts headlines showing Republicans with a large lead in the state even over every Democrat…

    America is numbing itself down to having been dumbed down. Nobody really even challenges the various scandals and lies and demands of the fourth pillar any more.

    It’s like battered housewife syndrome, only Grover would still call it Date Rape bipartisanship…

    GOP adheres to its victims narrative, yet they’re supposed to be so damned strong!

  • reggie
  • reggie

    Correct Link:

    Rupert Loves Hillary

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    as the candidates entered the race i listened to them all very closely and with an open mind. i found obama to be refreshing and intriguing initially until i started examining his positions deeper. unfortunately, from what i can tell with him, most of his policies, the one that are explained, are not as progressive as i would like. he appears to be hopelessly lost on enviornmental/energy issues, i would rank his health care proposals as being not as bold as other plans, and his answer to leaving iraq leaves me cold. he promises to leave by the end of his first term … not good enough by half.

    as on old time democratic party hack i was also offended by a trip he made to oregon. he showed up in portland for a fund raising rally but did not take the time to give any interview to local progressive talk shows nor did he really interact with the state and local party. he flew in … spent two or three hours in the state and left with a big bag of money. this was during the time when his campaign was stressing the politics of inclusion. i must say it left me scratchimg my head.

    in conclusion, if he gets the nomination i will, of course, vote for him while sincerely believing that the democrats could have done much better with john or dennis. i think america and the democratic party has a unique opportunity to elect a truly progressive president in 08. if the party offers up obama as the candidate, we will surely have turned our back on this opportunity.

  • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

    Shirin – I mistakenly “responded” to your comment. Obviously, it was meant for the Calamitous Ken… but we’re both right.

    :-)

  • jello

    if you count the years obama spent in illinois state senate, known for it’s contentious atmosphere, where it’s hard to get anything done, and where obama got bills past, despite his party having been in the minority at the time. if you count those years, plus his time in the senate, obama actually has more years of elected office held than either hillary or edwards.

    you also neglect to mention the support obama gets within the democratic foreign policy establishment, from people such as zbig brzezinski.

    In mainstream foreign-policy circles, Barack Obama is seen as the true bearer of this vision. “There are maybe 200 people on the Democratic side who think about foreign policy for a living,” as one such figure, himself unaffiliated with a campaign, estimates. “The vast majority have thrown in their lot with Obama.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04obama-t.html

    why aren’t these foreign policy experts backing hillary? why aren’t they impressed with her “experience”? where was hillary’s humanitarian concern when she failed to push for action to stop genocide in rwanda?

    from the huffington piece:

    Her 1995 speech at the UN World Conference on Women in Beijing, where she famously proclaimed “women’s rights are human rights,”

    nice words. but concern for women wasn’t foremost on her mind she came out in support for bush’s punitive welfare reform bill.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    See what I mean susan? Ken could have just have easily said something like, ‘ well i disagree.. here is why ect.ect..I really like Obama’
    Which is fine..Obama is a fellow Dem, nobody hates him we just have individual preference.
    It’s so tempting just to insult Ken here and start a blog war with him, but i doubt the troll returns for awhile..
    It would really be better to do a face to face with Ken.. Needs to learn some manners.
    Got your back susan..

  • jello

    Overall, he’s had a pretty easy life. -susan

    what? for one, people of color do not have easy lives. obama’s father left him when he was two years old and his mother died of breast cancer. how does that qualify as an “easy life”?

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Although your handle ‘ mr. murder’ has always been a little disturbing to me, I really think you post some awesome insightful stuff here.

  • Blunt Force Trauma

    People of color? What color would that be? What a politically-correct, bullshit stance.

    Let’s address his parents; since you brought it up. His deceased (from car accident) father was Kenyan, er, black. His deceased (from ovarian cancer) mother was caucasian, um, white. Oh, and his father didn’t leave him. His parents separated (from each other) and were later divorced, you tit.

    Well, what ‘color’ is he now? Does it bloody well matter? You assume from his appearance that he’s, say it with me…come on…black. Ignorance is bliss, is it not?

    So, this comment section is now taking a turn as to how ‘offspring of interracial relationships’ have it so bad. There are so many people who have a tough go of it for so many reasons. No matter their background.

    Please stow your nonsense and lack of research.

    ‘Jello’ indeed.

  • bob h

    Barack says he does not want to fight the “battles of the 90′s”. The problem is that the Republicans do. There can be no bipartisanship with a ruthless, anti-democratic enemy like these.

  • jello

    bluntforce, i get the feeling you’d rather call him the n word. color was all you were hung up on. you ignored the rest of the argument.

    obama himself says his father left him. do you know better than he his own life?

    p.s. the nick is a dead kennedy reference. doi.

    bob h – There can be no bipartisanship with a ruthless, anti-democratic enemy like these.

    have you ever seen video of joint press conferences hillary has given? one with newt gingrich and one with tom delay. tell her

  • jello

    (continued)

    tell her that there can be no bipartisanship with people like these.

  • jello

    Barack says he does not want to fight the “battles of the 90’s”. The problem is that the Republicans do.

    they sure do. republicans are dying to bring up monica again and bills “character” issues. and question why hillary put up with it all these years. it’s going to be deja vu all over again. sign me up! who doesn’t want to go through all that again?

  • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

    Totally agree. Pre-Kyl-LIEberman, Obama and Hil’s voting records in the Senate, barring the Iraq vote, were exactly the same! I wasn’t impressed then and I’m still not impressed with either of them. Uncomfortable!

  • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

    People were asleep when impeachment was brought against Bill. Look, Bill’s no hero to me, but while the thugs were pounding the dead impeachment horse, good people did NOTHING.

    who doesn’t want to go through all that again?

    And THAT was the purpose of the thugs rooting and hounding and pounding and their $60-mil spend! Insurance. So we’d be SO F’n sick of impeachment, we’d not start another against the immediately following (coff, hack, spit) “executive.”

    This time, there’s a blogosphere and we’re paying attention.

  • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

    See Ken rushing back here with his refs in hand.

  • Taters

    Great thread, Susan. As far as the Obama camp belittling Sen. Clinton’s tenure as First Lady, perhaps we can recall another First Lady who like Hillary, was very pro-active, Eleanor Roosevelt. She was the driving force behind integration in the US Armed Forces, which despite not getting the same credit, was every bit as important as Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier or Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat in the civil rights movement.
    I wonder if Camp Obama would belittle Ms. Roosevelt’s
    service as first lady?
    John Edwards has received a ton of money through trial lawyers. The most famous plaintiff attorney in Michigan, Geoffrey Feiger – will probably be disbarred and could go down for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards’ 2004 campaign.

    Wes Clark is advising Hillary on Iran, (and other areas)it was Clark, through VoteVets that started StopIran War. I happen to believe Sen. Clinton’s vote on Kyl-Lieberman was a shot across the bow to let Iran know that this admin. is itching for a fight with Iran and will look for the flimsiest of excuses to do so.
    http://ga4.org/campaign/stopiranwar

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Excellent points. Mrs. Roosevelt was constantly assaulted during her tenure as a dynamic, hard-working, highly-productive First Lady.

    It takes a very special kind of person to weather such constant and vituperative criticism, and yet forge ahead. Mrs. Roosevelt left behind a record of how hard it all was on her, and how she still tried and kept on, and accomplished so much.

    Hillary Clinton has been also tested — severely — and not only survived but become, since those years, a highly effective two-term U.S. Senator who works exceedingly well with ALL other U.S. Senators. Even John McCain and other GOP senators acknowledge that she is great to work with.

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    jello … i find your anti-hillary posts to be so “huffington post” like i thought i was actually on that blog. hey, it is all fine and well that you support obama but your remarks about hillary seem to be based on innuendo and fear more then actual facts. might i suggest, the best way to help your candidate is to explain his policies to people and not go negative on his/her opponents.

    furthermore, although hillary is not my first choice (edwards is) i would not have any problem with going back to those old clinton days. most of america did quite well during bubba’s presidency although he made many policy decisions i didnt like and his personal problems were unfortunate. ask the poor and the lower middle class how they did with bubba … i hazard to guess most will tell you quite well.

    finally, as much as you may dislike this fact … the clintons are viewed quite fondly by most foreigners. go to europe and africa … have a discussion about bill and hillary with the people. would all this be worth figthing the righ wing or … you bet … cause no matter what the right wing will not go quietly into the night. dont fear them!

  • Cee

    No. Feingold and Hagel!

    :)

  • TeakwoodKite

    Geoffrey Feiger – will probably be disbarred and could go down for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards’ 2004 campaign.

    Is that why they raided his office awhile back?

  • Cee

    I’m sitting here watching the Twilight Zone marathan and they just showed one of those foreclosure commercials.

    The victims of this have been turned into permanent members of the American underclass. Just because of greed or worse?

  • Cee

    Are you serious? LOL!!

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Susan,
    If Obama wins the Democratic ticket, then I’ll vote for him. Ditto Clinton or any of the other Democratic candidates.

    While I admire and appreciate the hard work you put into this post, I have to wonder why you’re spending so much time attacking Obama? Because haven’t you gotten on Edwards’s case for attacking his fellow Democrats as being destructive to the 2008 election–if we hope to have a Democrat win?

    Shouldn’t we be focusing on slamming the GOP candidates instead? Because it’s not certain that a Democrat will win. And all the Democrats, even with their faults, are a good deal better than any of the GOP.

    I mean just imagine this country if Mitt Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani won? Imagine the future make-up of the Supreme Court? Imagine the scientific and technological prowess of America under a president, such as Huckabee, who doesn’t believe in evolution and takes the bible literally? Imagine America with someone like Giuliani in the White House, along with all his cronies? All of them would continue many if not all of Bush’s policies, which have been so damaging to the US.

  • TeakwoodKite

    It’s like the carpetbagers are leaving town now that they have given everyone a home to forclose on. 50 % of the county I live in is financed this way and it will hurt badly…

  • Steve Fox

    All I know at this point is that I’ll vote for the Democratic nominee. All of them are better than the Republicans.

    I seem to change my mind every day about which Democrat I like best. Every one of them has done things which pleased me, and every one has pissed me off. And not just the 3 front runners. Kucinich has the best policies but will never win. Biden has been impressive in some debates. I’ve even flirted wityh Dodd, because he’s talking more than the rest about FISA and Bush’s other acts of trashing the Constitution.

    There’s one argument in Clinton’s favor I’ve not seen mentioned. Gore and Kerry won the last 21 elections and had them stolen one way or another.

    Hillary’s “ruthless machine” has been criticized, but I can’t imagine that machine allowing another election to be stolen.

  • Cee

    Was Ron Paul missing too?

  • Cee

    you also neglect to mention the support obama gets within the democratic foreign policy establishment, from people such as zbig brzezinski.

    This appeals to me but I’ve read comments on this blog attributed to him that give me pause.

  • reggie

    If the US wants to start rebuilding its manufacturing base, and thus get itself out of its unsustainable trade deficit nightmare, then it needs a leader who is going to repeal all those “free-trade” agreements like NAFTA that have been so damaging to its indigenous industries.

    I haven’t heard much about this from the candidates except Kucinich and something half-hearted from Edwards.

  • Kathleen

    I was writing about Obama the other day when you were then responding with cheerleading for Hillary. And may I say Susan and we all know that you are for Hillary Clinton. My statements were not attacks they were facts. Hillary Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment, Obama walked out.

    I have no idea how you can claim making statements about Obama’s behaviour during the Bolton/Rice hearings as attacks. These are facts.

    Your statement to me does appear to be an attack

  • Kathleen

    Can people have different opinions here or not?

  • jello

    the only reason why i brought it up was because somebody said republicans want to refight the old battles.

    would i be supporting obama if i feared the right?

  • Louis

    Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Tell me about Hillarys Clinton’s fighting in the last seven years, during which she failed us all on the central question — the vote on going to war in Iraq. Each and every one of us Democrats looking at this primary knows very well — we know it in our hearts — that she voted the way she did because she wanted to become president. Nothing. Else. Matters. She wanted power badly enough to betray her constituents, her country, the world, our trust and her own values. Nothing. Else. Matters. For this reason, if for no other reason, she is not worthy of our support, our nomination and our White House. God only knows what betrayals we could expect from her if she were to become president.

  • jello

    Hillary’s “ruthless machine” has been criticized, but I can’t imagine that machine allowing another election to be stolen.

    so she reserves her power for only when it benefits her then?

    that’s another thing that pissed me off about the clintons. when throngs of black were disenfranchised in florida and falsely labeled felons, the clintons didn’t say boo. when scores of democrats in ohio were forced to wait 8 hours in line to vote, the clintons didn’t say a word.

  • TeakWoodKite

    The election will be stolen. It just a matter of if the thiefs will be caught an prosecuted.

  • Kathleen

    Senator Webb called Hillary’s vote for the Kyl Lieberman amendment “tantamount to declaring war” on Iran.

    Susan we know that you are for Hillary, but please I would hope that we could all listen to one another’s opinions without attacking one another. And if you are going to ask one person who to back up their opinions or statements with references links..I would think you would ask that of everyone who states an opinion. Not selectively.

    While this is obviously Larry’s blog and I guess yours I would hope that all could be respectful of one another’s opinions without attacking.

    One thing I have been really interested in is how Biden and Dodd have basically ignored.

  • MEP

    I for one need to hear all the Dems condemn the concept of the Unitary Ex. and publicly lay out their plans to undo the damage to the Constitution and the Justice system. Not in broad terms but chapter and verse. How about a written pledge? I for one will not embrace any candidate until this is done.Anything less than a Public Statement on the record is just so much bullshit. And Leslie, kudos for your comment above. I too will vote the Dem ticket, even if I have to hold my nose. I did so in 06 for Bob “Duh” Casey. I watched the DLC and the Fast Eddie Philly Mafia make damn sure no one of the Jim Webb/Jon Tester class had a chance in the primarys. Why did I vote for Stooge Casey? Cause I had no better choice. This post is nothing more than a “Hit Piece”. I will not waste my time with a detailed rebuttal. I’m not “down” with any candidate yet. But to paint Hillary as “the anointed” makes me want to puke. Two of the many reasons I don’t like Hillary, the DLC and Murdoch. And mainly the DLC. Has everyone forgotten that the Rahm/Hillary DLC funded all out primary fights against Jim Webb and Jon Tester? Ask yourselves why? If this site is to become no more than a Rah Rah Go Hillary horn then come clean and tell me now and I’ll take my insulting ass elsewhere. And oh by the way, all of the above is my opinion, no links are available at this time.

  • Shirin

    I think so.

  • Kathleen

    Good point Cee. I thought a great deal about Obama when Zbigniew B got behind him. Just really seriously questioned Obama riding the fence playing it safe during the Bolton/Rice nomination hearings and then skipping town during the Kyl Lieberman vote. When Hillary voted for that amendment and then really became sarcastic when anyone challenged her on this vote, she lost me.

  • Shirin

    The bottom line is that the top three Democratic candidates all consider military force a primary tool of foreign policy. Obama seems in addition to continue with the Bush notion that you can trick them into loving the U.S. by implementing a variety of costly, elaborate, and deeply patronizing P.R. campaigns.

    Edwards might be marginally better than the other two, but all in all it is a dismal collection of options.

  • Shirin

    Yeah, and Ken was quite out of line.

  • MEP

    Here! Here! Why the silence?

  • Kathleen

    Here is the transcript of Obama during the John Bolton nomination hearing. You can read the whole thing and find our for yourselves how, Senators, Dodd, Biden, Lincoln Chaffee, Boxer and others played hardball with Bolton. While Obama played softball with Bolton.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/27/AR20060
    72701847.html

    “OBAMA: And I apologize.

    OBAMA: I haven’t been here the whole time. So I don’t want to…

    BOLTON: I understand.”

  • Kathleen

    Obama sticking it to Bolton. A good thing
    Obama said Bolton gives the U.S. a credibility problem: “Given the issues that have surfaced surrounding Mr. Bolton’s nomination, I simply ask my colleagues this: If a crisis were to occur with North Korea or Iran right now, are we sure that the integrity and
    credibility of Mr. Bolton would command the respect of the rest of the world?”

    http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/05/1d138bdc-3d14-48bb-96c8-f93d34add520.html

  • Kathleen

    I had not read the last line. Yeah calling Susan a “lying sleaze” is way over the top. I do want to participate on blogs where all topics are on the table (and have certainly not found that to be the case everythere) and people do not attack each other personally when they respectfully share different opinions.

  • MEP

    Seems to me I caught parts of this at the time on C-Span. Will have to take a look. Bottom line, will we allow the MSM, Oprah and the likes of the DLC etc, to decide who are worthy? Gee, I thought that decision was intended for We the People. Thanks for the link.

  • Shirin

    Yup! He laid all that out in a “major foreign policy speech” a few months ago. Basically, he thinks bombs are a perfectly good foreign policy tool, and he has figured out why “they hate us”. It’s not because of what we do, it’s because of what “bad guys” are telling them about us, therefore, WE have to be the ones to tell them, and for sure they will believe whatever we say.

    This is along the same lines as the people who insist that Palestinian kids hate Israel (and unfortunately by extension, more and more of them misguidedly hate Jews) only because their parents and teachers and – shudder, shiver, shake – HAMAS – teach them to hate Israel. The underlying assumption is that they would JUST LOOOOOOOVE Israel, and have a very positive view of Israel, Israelis, and Jews if only their parents and teachers could be forced somehow to teach them what a wonderful, beneficial country Israel is for them. These people do not want to understand that it is not their parents, not their teachers, not Hamas, but the horror of their everyday contact with Israelis and Israeli policy that teaches Palestinian kids to hate Israel – and, by extension, Jews.

  • Taters

    Yes. He’s been indicted.

    In 2005 a federal grand jury began investigating Fieger regarding allegations that he, his employees, their families, and law firm vendors donated more than $100,000 to the 2004 Democratic presidential campaign of John Edwards in violation of federal election laws. On August 21, 2007 the grand jury returned a 30-page, 10-count indictment against Fieger and his law partner Ven Johnson, charging Fieger with conspiracy, obstruction of justice, making illegal campaign contributions and causing false statements.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Fieger

    Does Feiger’s indictment have anything to do w/JE? No. I’m simply stating that JE has financial backing, too.

    I still remember Cheney railroading JE in their debate, although JE had Cheney in his sights and back on his heels. Then again, JE had probably never encountered such a bald faced liar as Cheney, even with all his years as a lawyer.
    Of course I’ll support any of the Dems.

  • Kathleen

    Tried to find the whole hearing on C-span. When I find it will link it. Both the nomination hearings with Bolton and Rice ( I did watch) said a great deal about our Reps. It was during these hearings that my respect for Dodd, Biden, Lincoln Chaffee, Kerry and others grew.

  • Cee

    So much for the good advice he’s getting.

  • Cee

    Didn’t you also mention his support for Condi? Ick!

  • Cee

    I do recall that Edwards spoke up about Ohio and didn’t want to concede the election.

  • Shirin

    And Hillary’s “explanation” that her vote was really a vote for “diplomacy” was, to put it nicely, lame as hell.

  • jello

    true enough.

  • Kathleen

    Hillary Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman Amendment that is a FACT. Susan you asked for a few links to back up my opinions and statements in regard to Hillary, Obama and Edwards. Here are just a few.

    #Kyl Lieberman amendment roll call
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349

    #Reactions to Clintons vote

    #Hillary votes for war again

    #http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/hillary-clinton-votes-for_b_66174.html

    #Clintons Iran vote
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/weekinreview/14cooper.html

    #http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/kyllieberman_iran_amendment_passes_by_huge_margin.php
    Of the Dem Presidential candidates, Hillary voted for the measure, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd opposed it, and Barack Obama missed the vote. On the GOP side, John McCain missed the vote.

    #Senator Webb’s appeal before the Kyl Lieberman admendment vote
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/25/webb-kyl-lieb-iran/

    Webb said that amendment’s attempt to categorize the Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp as “a foreign terrorist organization” would, for all practical purposes, “mandate” the military option against Iran. “It could be read as tantamount to a declaration of war. What do we do with terrorist organizations? If they are involved against us, we attack them.”

    He also slammed the lack of debate and examination that was accompanying the amendment, saying “this is not the way to make foreign policy”:

    We haven’t had one hearing on this. I’m on the Foreign Relations Committee, I’m on the Armed Services Committee. We are about to vote on something that may fundamentally change the way the United States views the Iranian military and we haven’t had one hearing. This is not the way to make foreign policy. It’s not the way to declare war.

    #Here is Amy Goodman asking Seymour Hersh about why Hillary voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment.

    “Finally, Jewish journalist Seymour Hersh recently broke the taboo against discussing the J-word in an interview with Amy Goodman, Jewish host of Democracy Now, on Oct. 3. When Goodman asked him why it is that Democratic presidential candidates feel compelled to join Republican presidential candidates in threatening an expanded Middle
    Eastern war against Iran, he explained that American Jews — and Jewish money — were pushing us toward war for Israel.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2007/10/2/seymour_hersh_white_house_intensifying_plans

    Here is part of that interview where Hersh speaks honestly and out loud about the I-lobby and it’s influence on Hillary. This is a great interview of Amy Goodman with Seymour Hersh (two journalist that I deeply respect)listen for yourselves.

    Here is the link to when Mike Gravel questions Hillary Clinton’s yes vote on the Kyl Lieberman amendment. Gravel points out that Obama walked out. You get to see Edwards apologizing once again for his 2002 war resolution vote, and his reasons for standing against the Bush administrations and the neo-cons push for a confrontation with Iran

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzN3dZR6JM

    THIS CLIP IS A MUST WATCH
    The way Hillary responded to a legitimate challenge was disgusting and alarming.

  • Kathleen

    Just checked all of the links they did not all work. But the critical ones did.

  • Kathleen

    Great clip on Hillary’s Kyl Liebermann amendment

    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/why-senator-clinton-voted-for-the-kyl-lieberman-am
    endment/3637828167

    Hillary votes for war again
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/hillary-cli
    nton-votes-for_b_66174.html

  • Kathleen

    Amy Goodman/Seymour Hersh interview on Iran. Sy talks about why he thinks Hillary vote for the Kyl Lieberman amendment. Here is some of the transcript.
    AMY GOODMAN: Sy Hersh, I wanted to switch gears for the last question, and this has to do with it not
    just being Republicans who are sounding a drumbeat for war. The three leading Democratic presidential candidates—Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards—have all declared no options off the table. This is a clip from last week’s Democratic debate. It was the day the Senate approved a controversial resolution calling on the State Department to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization. At the debate, Democratic presidential hopeful Mike Gravel bitterly criticized Hillary Clinton for voting in favor.

    MIKE GRAVEL: This is fantasy land. We’re talking about ending the war. My god, we’re just starting a war right today. There was a vote in the Senate today. Joe Lieberman, who authored the Iraq resolution, has authored another resolution, and it is essentially a fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran. And I want to congratulate Biden for voting against it, Dodd for voting against it, and I’m ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it. You’re not going to get another shot at this, because what’s happened, if this war ensues, we invade, and they’re looking for an excuse to do it. And Obama was not even there to vote.

    TIM RUSSERT: Senator Clinton, I want to give you a chance to respond.

    SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: [laughter]

    AMY GOODMAN: That was Hillary Clinton laughing. Fifteen seconds, Seymour Hersh. Your response?

    SEYMOUR HERSH: Money. A lot of the Jewish money from New York. Come on, let’s not kid about it. A significant percentage of Jewish money, and many leading American Jews support the Israeli position that Iran is an existential threat. And I think it’s as simple as that. When you’re from New York and from New York City, you take the view of—right now, when you’re running a campaign, you follow that line. And there’s no other explanation for it, because she’s smart enough to know the downside.

    Complete interview
    http://www.democracynow.org/2007/10/2/seymour_hersh_white_house_intensifying_plans

  • CK

    You could google “your preferred candidate” and AIPAC 2007.
    Hillary and Barack both tugged their caps there. Is funny seeing them attempt to outdo each other in their Hagee imitations. Given the exemplary level of education in the USA, it will be quite easy to foist any of the three dem frontrunners on the vacuous populi.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Prosecution would be nice: 2000, 2004, 2006.

  • Nellie

    WOW! Thank you for this – I have been deeply concerned about Isreal influence on AMERICAN government.

  • Nellie

    Good thing I read down – I was just about to write a comment to “Ken” myself. Thanks Larry – you speak for many of us.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Nellie, would you e-mail me? Thank you. susanunpc at gmail dot com

  • Thinker

    Susan, you’ve said it all – except I thut Winfrey was touting Mr Black Capitalism – Will Smith.

    Hmmm, maybe I’m on a different page. Wouldn’t be the first time!

  • jello

    name another candidate who had courage enough and was empathetic enough to declare “palestinians have suffered the most.” as obama has done.

    hillary would never say that.

    she attended a new york city rally to celebrated israel’s leveling of beirut, standing shoulder to shoulder with benjamin netanyahu.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Steve Fox:
    point by point..
    seem to change my mind every day about which Democrat I like best. Every one of them has done things which pleased me, and every one has pissed me off.
    ____________________________________
    Boy..is that hitting the nail on the head..could not have agreed more.
    ____________________________________
    Kucinich has the best policies but will never win.
    ____________________________________
    Correct me if I’m wrong..but i heard this..Didn’t Dennis bankrupt Cleveland when he was a Mayor?
    ___________________________________
    Hillary’s “ruthless machine” has been criticized, but I can’t imagine that machine allowing another election to be stolen.
    ___________________________________
    Well not unless we can get Bill on the SC..
    On a serious note..Those folks on the court are getting old..i mean really old.. We need appointments from our side of the house in the next 8+ years..Vote Dem. whomever they may be.

  • Cee

    name another candidate who had courage enough and was empathetic enough to declare “palestinians have suffered the most.” as obama has done.

    I discovered that today after starting to read up on hhim.

    After he said it he was forced to dance around the comment and blame the Palestinian leadership for their misery. Screw that.

    If you have access to him, tell him to never back down on a statement like that.

    You’re not talking to a Hillary fan. I believe that I stated on this blog that I would be holding my nose to vote for her. Now I might not do that.
    I’m quite pissed off after having watched Hardball to hear them STILL talking about Obama and drugs.
    I don’t believe for one minute that the suggestion that Obama sold drugs wasn’t a Clinton campaign dirty trick.
    After all that she and Bill endured…shame on them!

  • jello

    don’t let the perfect be the enemy of good. i’m amazed a leading candidate would express this kind of sentiment to begin with. he took a big risk in doing so in this post 9/11 anti-muslim hysteria.

  • Cee

    I’m glad you brought up Oprah. CNN did a segment on that hate mail she is getting since endorsing Barak.

    Girlfriend needs to realize that black folks are only to allowed to entertain and give out free presents.

  • Blunt Force Trauma


    bluntforce, i get the feeling you’d rather call him the n word. color was all you were hung up on. you ignored the rest of the argument.

    You have a “feeling” that I wish to call the man the ‘N’ word. What word is that? Narcissist? Nymphomaniac? Nipple? Non Sequitar? Nasty? New Age?

    Spread your propaganda, falsehoods and accusations elsewhere, Troll. It was you who started their initial comment with; “for one, people of color do not have easy lives.” So, tell me again, who was hung up on the subject of color?

    I absolutely did address the rest of your post. Perhaps whomever was reading it to you left out key points. I also disproved your overtly incorrect information that his mother died of breast cancer when it was ovarian. So there was hardly any argument that you were making at any time. You were showing how wrong and absurd you are (see next quoted sentences below for proof).


    obama himself says his father left him. do you know better than he his own life?

    Oh, you speak with Obama? Who else resides in your little world? It seems you know his life best. But then, I really don’t care.

    Your basis was that he had a hard life. Allow me to dispell more of your misinformation: He lived a middle class life while growing up in Hawaii and later went to Columbia and Harvard. Kind of hard to do that on food stamps. He also did what most teens tend to do; use pot, cocaine and hit the booze. Shocking, huh?

    So, tell us how hard his life was again. I think we missed that part of your ‘argument’. Oh, yeah. It was due to his ‘color’. Or is it that all you can come up with is that his father “left him” and his mother died of cancer? Incidentally, his mother died 12 years ago when he was 34. One would assume he was grown up by then. His father, as you put it; “left him”, when he was two. Hardly any history there to get upset over.

    It’s seemingly conclusive that ‘Jello’ is an example of avid Oprah watching.

  • jello

    bluntforce, could you be any more ruder? when did i attack you?

    so, you think middle class blacks are exempt from racist attitudes?

    i dont speak to the man. he says it right here. his father having left him when he was young has also been mentioned in bio profiles.

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/chancesad

  • jello

    So, this comment section is now taking a turn as to how ‘offspring of interracial relationships’ have it so bad. There are so many people who have a tough go of it for so many reasons. No matter their background.

    so sue me for differing from susan’s perception that obama’s had an easy life. silly me, of course blacks have it easier time in this culture that whites. what was i thinking?

  • Thinker

    God, but where’s her allegence. Isn’t she a woman?

    :) LOL

    Postscript for those that missed the pun: In the “past 2nd class citizens” race we have blacks versus women.

  • GR3

    Kucinich had powerful enemies in Cleveland who were quite happy to put the economic screws to the city. They got rid of an idealistic mayor who was a problem for them.
    There is an old quote: “If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.”

  • Shirin

    Oh, please! Obama was a great friend to the Palestinians until he realized that supporting them could hurt his presidential ambitions. He has smoothly transitioned from sitting next to Edward Sa`id at Palestinian events to taking the all-expenses-paid Israel junket.

    The only presidential candidate with the courage to do what is right and stick to his convictions and not sell out is Kucinich, and he hasn’t got a prayer largely BECAUSE he has the courage to do what is right and stick to his convictions and not sell out.

  • jello

    good luck waiting for your perfect candidate.

  • Mr.Murder

    You can thank LGF and the Freepers for my name, in a way that could be said…

    I had a different yahoo handle and someone hacked my account after I made comments at their websites.

    There was another one it could have been but he seems to be more neutral, just has a name for snark and questioning what it is we are told on the whole.

    …it turns out there is a writer who has the same name I’ve used for his character. When I initially made this the name it didn’t even come up on a major search engine.

    I’ve not seen the made for TV movie either.

    I’m waiting until it makes the big screen and Clooney plays me…

    :)

  • Mr.Murder

    Edwards is who should make some waves in Iowa.

    But the last I’d heard, Hillary had fair to middling Union support. Unions determine the Dem in Iowa.

    Same person last time told me Kerry would win Iowa…

    That’s where Edwards might help, he resonates with labor and blue collars. He still has some issues to deal with on that as well, a vote record that doesn’t always match rhetoric.

    As for Obama, one reason he got bills though a then right-wing Illinois Legislature was that his track record looks like one of a Rockefeller Republican(Hillary was one for her husband in Arkansas).

    The reason Zbig is getting with the new faces of politics is that he sees America changing. He knows Obama will either be on a Committee or in the White House. You have to work across the spectrum of government to make true cohesive policy.

    Obama and Edwards are more or less future candidates. You’ve got to give them support now and look ahead to ’12 ’16 and ’20 election cycles…

  • CK

    I suppose it would be less than optimal to point out that there is one candidate who has been against this war, against the coming war with Iran, against the covert war with Venezeula, against the NATO war with Serbia, against the attempts to involve the USA’s military in the Sudan situation, against the 40+ year cold war with Cuba, and against the Executive’s war on citizen’s freedoms, rights and liberties. Not just against them verbally but voted against them, against funding them, against enacting them…You could not do better than to work for and vote for Ron Paul; that is if war is an important issue to you not just a convenient faux passion of the current political season.

  • Kathleen

    OBservations from the Iowa Democratic debate, The immigration issue did not come up. But..light was shed on that all over the MSM afterwords. The 800 lb gorilla on the stage continues to be the Israeli Palestinian issue (hello how many times do we have to hear this is the most serious root cause of the hatred that many feel towards the US in the middle east, besides our military bases to protect our need to access). I have watched all the debates (Republican and Democrat)this issue has not been brought up. Former Governor Bill Richardson tried to bring the issue up once and was quickly shut down. I mean quicly.

    The I/P issue continued to be the 800 lb gorilla in all of the debates.

    Another observation from the debate yesterday

    Former Senator John Edwards consistently brings up that he will go after breaking the corporate lobby hold on our nation. He also consistently brings up the poor, the hungry and struggling in our nation. He does not stand to win votes or money from corporate lobbyist and those they represent and many people in poverty do not vote. I am amazed and admire Edwards for continuing to bring these critical issues up more than any other candidates who stand to win.

    Who does he get votes from by making a stand on these issues?

  • CK

    err the poor hungry and struggling of course. They make up a fair % of the voting age populace. Has he provided any specific plans regarding how he will manage this lobbyist hold breakage? Any plans that do not require those who sup at the trough to voluntarily give up their meals? Will he ask congress to do away with the first amendment for anyone who is a registered lobbyist? Maybe another McCain Feingold thingie guaranteeing that only the rich have an unfettered voice? Will he revoke the buyout of Clear Channel by Mitt Romney’s private capital investment firm? Whose wallet will he filch and how much will he filch from it?
    Who, whom.
    funny how that old nasty Lenin keeps being so relevant.

  • CK

    On the illegal immigration issue, as the housing market continues to tank the aggregate demand for illegals will shrink. It is already shrinking.
    As the folks with McMansions that they cannot afford walk away from from those “contracts” the demand for illegals as nannies and lawn care technicians will fall also. On the other hand, demand will increase for bodies for the military and for qualified financial analysts and loan officers in the Saudi owned American banking system.

  • juca

    You bring up an interesting point. It is quite clear that elections have been stolen, and yet our brave leaders say nothing. I’ve never understood why they don’t move aggressively against voting machines that allow elections to be hacked.

    I, too, will vote for the Democratic nominee. I think that a strong case against each and every one of them could be made in the same way that Susan has done against Obama, though.

    I can muster no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton. I have no doubt that she has assembled a team that could fight Karl Rove and win… and yet Obama’s “machine” seems to be besting hers at the moment, and has been for some weeks.

    Obama is apparently a quick study.

  • juca

    Ron Paul is an interesting guy. I like some of his positions, but he is pretty extreme in his distaste for government, is he not? So he’s anti-war… that’s good. But where does he stand on other issues that Democrats care about?

  • Bill Keyes

    I agree Susan’s article about Barack Obama is well written and as far who is the better candidate it is very possible that Hillary has more experience.

    However if that means we should all blindly get behind Hillary with the nominating convention still many months away, that I cannot agree with.

    I am going to quote from an article at the following article

    Hillary Clinton on Iraq by Stephen Zunes at this link

    http://www.antiwar.com/zunes/?articleid=12052

    “Public opinion polls have consistently shown that the majority of Americans – and even a larger majority of Democrats – believe that Iraq is the most important issue of the day, that it was wrong for the United States to have invaded that country, and the United States should completely withdraw its forces in short order.”

    I cannot support Hillary unless her position and statements on Iraq reflect exactly what the above quote says and just because she is the front runner does not mean she is the best candidate.

    The best candidate would be the one who day after day regardless of what their standing in the polls was would be saying without any wishy flip-flopping and back pedaling the following..

    INVADING IRAQ WAS WRONG

    MY VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAS WRONG

    I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT

    THE FIRST ACT OF MY ADMINISTRATION WILL BE TO GET THE AMERICAN PRESENCE IN IRAQ BACK TO WHERE IT WAS ON THAT FATEFUL MARCH DAY IN 2003 ASAP AND THAT IS TO HAVE NO PRESENCE AT ALL, NO REMAING ADVISORS, NO TROOPS, NO ENDURING BASES, NO BAGDAD GREEN ZONE, NO OIL CONTRACTORS ETC ETC ETC. LEAVE IRAQ THE SAME WAY A DEFEATED ARMY LEAVES AFTER INVADING A COUNTRY AND HAVE BEEN SEVERELY BEATEN LIKE WE HAVE IN IRAQ. LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND.

    This is just one of the many things the best candidate would be saying day after day

    It seems to me all you Hillary supporters believe the only way to stop the Bush regime is to get a Democrat in the WH and of course that would be Hillary.

    The only way to stop the Bush regime is as I have been preaching for months is Impeachment.

    Also I quite frankly do not understand why so many people on this blog who day after day rant and rave about the latest Bush scandal or whatever is in the news get so much enjoyment out of it? What purpose does it serve? Do you really think all this discussion is going to change anything?

    If you really want to change anything why don’t you spend your time lobbying the House Judiciary Committee to vote out a bill of impeachment? Do all of you know where you Congressperson stands on Kucinich’s HR 333?

    I also wonder why you Hillary supporters don’t want to spend much time lobbying for Impeachment because if Impeachment is successful then Nancy Pelosi would be President not Hillary.

    Quite frankly I would much rather see Nancy Pelosi president than any of the Democratic front runners.

    I leave you with one thought for this the Season of Giving

    I have been working with Shirin to try to target some giving to help even a few of those millions of Iraq’s
    lives that we have destroyed.

    She received some information from a friend of hers who used to live in Bagdad but who is now living in
    Dohuk, Iraq, and who is trying to raise $2750 to help
    repair two orphanages there.

    You can read about it at this link..

    http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/01/help-renovate-2-iraqi-orphanages-in-duhok-iraq/

    There is a clickable link there which allows you to make a Paypal contribution to Tamara Al-OM who is collecting the funds to give to the orphanage project.

    Here is part of the email I received from Tamara

    Hi Bill,

    We would just like to be able to send what we have asap so the children can be warm during the winter.

    Thank you for your effort with this, it will certainly not go unappreciated.

    Kindest regards,

    Tamara

    Could you please consider a donation no matter how small? Any amount would be greatly appreciated.

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  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    And Hillary’s “explanation” that her vote was really a vote for “diplomacy..

    yea..that was strange..we declare them global terrorists, would you like to talk now?
    I’d be ducking into a local bomb shelter after that invite.
    But that’s how we make friends nowadays..
    Let’s talk…
    BOOM!!

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Bill K:
    also wonder why you Hillary supporters don’t want to spend much time lobbying for Impeachment because if Impeachment is successful then Nancy Pelosi would be President not Hillary

    No..I think Cheeny would be the president if Bush is impeached..Boy isn’t that a lovely thought?

    But more importantly.. Here is the bottom line on dennis’s impeachment bill that lays dead on arrival.
    Nancy said no to impeachment..that’s the word..not a committee or dennis or anyone else can change that..
    in Fact Biden said he’d vote for impeachment if we invaded iran..umm.Biden doesn’t get to decide or vote for anything until the Senate acts as jurists..
    In other words..Without Nancy giving the ok for the house to begin writting articles of impeachment nothing and i mean nothing with come of it..
    Email Nancy Pelosi: She is the key to impeachment.

  • CK

    You could do worse than visit his web site and peruse his positions. He is not bashful about what he believes. Not being either a democrat or a republican, it would be presumptuous for me to pretend to know which issues are specifically democrat and which issues are specifically republican.

  • Mr.Murder

    The writer who claimed to be a Clark supporter in at some of the NH events was one who worked mostly for Rolling Stone and at the time for The Nation. He may have been freelancing at this time.

    Tabbi/Taibbi?

    He said a lot of inappropriate stuff to women there, porn film directing and swinger references as well.

    It’s my opinion he was probably the “Clark Staffer” Drudge tried to cite as a source and embarassingly backtracked on, claiming it was others, so as to hide their collusion.

    Only he wasn’t a Clark Staffer, and Drudge wasn’t one of the “six reporters” because he is simply a PR hitman.

    The plan was to sabotage Clark, the RNC worked the phone jam scam as well so everyone would have to assume it was the frontrunner who did something. That way it narrowed the race for the who the RNC would target, their ideal candidate(highest negatives) and someone who already a bloc of opposition supporters who would go against him, and a person who harbored plenty of press resentment for varied reasons.

    Clark planned on NH and SC to be his big days.

    Edwards sides votes with Kerry and the war(DLC/DNC) to get the cash going and be on the ticket.

    Such is politics. New to the game, ride sidearm, give something to get there.

    Clark listened to various bad advisory support(many seen on recent links at Iowa now) instead of running on fumes and good will, like he did the one state he won support as a bona fide values/hearltand vote, Oklahoma.

    The plan was to wedge Clark with some spin after NH while ratf*ing the GOTV move. Then to prevent a comeback the GOP sent siwnger Roger Stone to Al Sharpton’s camp for the SC votes since Clark polled well with the demographic there.

    A swinger sent by the GOP to help chip away support for the candidate feared most, it seems like there’s some consistency to the narrative after all when it comes to dirty tricks.

    Clark did well with minority voters, he even filed an amicus on a discrimination suit for a veteran trying to attend Ann Coulter’s school.

    He(Clark) understood what it took to take on an institution from a position of morality and merit.

    Side with the way things should be done. It was a landmark moment for the reinforcement of minority rights within the Army and within higher education. It reconnected people who served with the chance to move up in positions of both service and leadership.

    Such was reflected in respect for man as a candidate as well among the voters it most certainly helped.

    Taibbi’s contempt for the whole charade, and for most of those involved (including a generous helping of his fellow journalists), makes for a searing and highly entertaining account. His refusal to take the proceedings seriously leads him to volunteer for Wesley Clark’s New Hampshire campaign in the guise of an adult-film director, while his take on a John Edwards press conference in New York City is filtered through the haze of hallucinogenic drugs

    He admits much of his own bias against clark on an Amy Goodman interview.http://www.democracynow.org/2003/12/9/a_look_at_wesley_clark_and

    It’s basically a hit-piece.

    You can see something in the eyes of most all the Democratic candidates: the pugnacity of Howard Dean, the idealism of Dennis Kucinich, even (surprisingly) the elaborate sense of humor just under the surface of Joe Lieberman.

    Not Wesley Clark. His eyes are blank. Like a turtle resting on a rock in the middle of a pond, he simply seems never to move, no matter how long you stare. But then, just as you’re about to pack up your picnic basket and go home, you catch him: His head pops out, and he slides off into the water…

    He starts with that much emotion vested against CLark, and then submerges below that point…

    I went the extra mile to cover Clark, even parting with a significant amount of my valuable time on this earth to volunteer, under an assumed name, for his campaign. Desperate measures were required, because solving the Clark puzzle is a desperate problem. It is not easy to explain how a man who voted for Reagan and Nixon, was a speechwriter for Al Haig, worked in the Ford White House alongside Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and was a passionate supporter of the Vietnam War could become a darling of the liberal antiwar crowd. Thirty-five years ago, hundreds of thousands of people took angrily to the streets, universities were taken over and a sitting President was hounded from the White House because of people like Wesley Clark.

    Now Clark is presenting himself as a White Knight to the modern version of that same demographic, and he is being welcomed with open arms.

    From there he even takes a swipe at someone who mentions Clark “has depth” to go along with all of the appearance you’d expect of a major political figure. But it was dual sell for his the candidate Matt volunteered to ruin. “He appeals to people who don’t have time to think about the depth part.” The the words of a state political advocate.

    “Jesus, I thought. They’re just coming right out and saying it.” Taibbi sees it as a negative?

    He made this his reason d’etre.

    Maybe Taibbi just channeled the right wing talking points to new levels, role playing a superior, elitist, French subversive who worked in the media and loved a Democratic candidate…

    Sadly, no:

    For the two weeks or so that I had been a volunteer, I had tried, unsuccessfully, to get a rise out of my fellow Clark supporters. Just to see how they would react, I had introduced myself at the first meet-up as an adult-film director named Rondell Abrams. Massachusetts campaign staff member Dave Rubin, a skittish young Brandeis grad, gritted his teeth when I told him I’d just finished making Asian Ass Vixens 6.

    “I also did the East St. Louis Street Hookers series,” I said.

    He nodded. “Well, uh, we’re glad to have you.”

    This guy has to change names to get anywhere in a building for a political these days, one would assume.

    Taibbi basically uses deconstruction as his M.O. by going to select portions of a phrase, then make that the usual follow-up question to someone else so there’s a dissonance between message and interpretation, into which he can fill the rhetoric gap with his own invective.

    It’s called cherry picking. It ignores context, as those statements carry sharp qualifiers or turn on a phrase so as to readdress the standard sound byte campaign that was already well waged against him and other Democrats.

    Clark’s own website contained the best position pages for policy of anyone running at the time from a position of content, depth, and range of issues. None of Taibbi’s questions appear to address those items whatsoever. Taibbi didn’t do his homework, replaced substance with situational ethics turned sitcom improvisation, then scores enough points to score other items needed to drive the buzz a bit past the event and fuel additional hits of anti-journalistic hit pieces.

    Maybe Taibbi will come back once again and win another round of one hitters against this year’s candidates. He can maybe team up with someone on the other side of the spectrum to look like he’s got some kind of semblance of balance. Oh wait, Petey Beinert already has that gig, tag teaming with Jonah Golberg, golbricker extraordinaire, when it comes to invective and writing under the influence of emotion(among other things).

    Voters reading his pieces in Rolling Stone have more than their stash to look out for.

    He admits to acting like a Clark supporter but is hounding around with a pack of reporters at the same time. Matt Drudge, with a group of reporters, talked to “a Clark supporter” who mentions l’affair between John Kerry and a former intern of his, never asserted as fact.

    Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

    There’s a lot of smoke around Taibbi.

    Smoke on the water…

    …stop blowing smoke, Matt.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031215/taibbi/5

  • PrchrLady

    I agree regarding impeachment Bill… I also just read and I will look for link that Wexler is also calling for Cheney’s Impeachment. This is important if we are to have any chance of getting the evil out of the people’s house.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spurned_by_major_newspapers_Dem_Congressman_1214.html

    http://www.democrats.com/reps-wexler-gutierrez-baldwin-call-for-cheney-impeachment-hearings

    Finally some supportfor Kucinich’s bill…

  • reggie
  • jello

    hey murder, did you know edwards voted against a wellstone bankruptcy amendment that would have allowed medical expenses to be exempted? this man was so cold hearted that he was unwilling to give families burdened with medical expenses a break.

    edwards was endorsed by bruce reed early in 2003. he went from dlc darling to rebel populist in few short years. that’s quite a transformation, to shift from one end of the spectrum completely to the other side. when asked to account for his conservative voting record and asked why is he now running against the very things he voted for while in the senate, edwards was unable to explain his shift. he was unable to explain why or how he has changed.

    this man will tell anybody what they want to hear in order to be nominated. i’ve never seen a bigger panderbear.

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  • Kathleen

    Hillary Clinton voted for the Webb Amendment having to do with no pre-emptive attack on Iran after she voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment. She did not vote for it in March of 2007 when Webb first introduced it. Hillary is trying to have it all ways Susan.

    Triangulating

    On other thing that I recently found out was that after Hillary put her health care plan forward in 1993 she was unwilling to negotiate on any parts of the plan.

    Not a constructive way to deal. I know she has learned a great deal since then, but many could have had health insurance in the me mean time.

    She is too much of a warmonger for me

  • Shirin

    While I have not examined Hillary’s health care plan in detail, I like what I have heard her say, particularly since it would mean I can keep my health care plan, which I am very happy with. I do not want to be forced to change to something I might not like as well.

    As for the war mongering, look at Hillary’s record starting with her tenure as First Lady, and you will see that she has never seen a war or other type of military action that she did not enthusiastically support. As a matter of fact, in some cases she actually urged Bill to use military force.

  • norris morris

    I’m so glad you know what Hillary told Bill.

    You sound like an ass. Your lack of information and your twisted take on what you do know is so absurd, I’d ask you to go to WashingtonPostonline, go to politics section and draw down menu to Congress votes.

    Look at Obama’s. Look at his absences on all dicey or confrontational issues that he sneakily dodges. Then look at all of his votes against Bankruptcy Protection, For the Patriot Act, and more, more, more.

    You can easily learn of his votes on legislation that are downright conservative. Others are absent, and always where he won’t show his hand.
    See the votes against Democrats.

    What has he accomplished in the Senate? Nothing. I dare you to see his actual record, as each bill and a description thereof is described, and absences, etc.

    Hillary hate is always infused with twisted facts or downright ignorance of the facts and the complexity of the issues at hand.

  • Shirin

    Excuse me, but what has Obama to do with anything I said? Is there a reference to Obama anywhere either in my own comments or the comment I was responding to?

    We were talking about Hillary Clinton here, not Obama. Try to stick to the topic.

    And by the way, I didn’t say anything that is not on record.

  • norris morris

    Obama is Oprah’s protege and has been carefully coached by the billionaire of Daytine Redemption of Merchandise.

    He is a product of the powerful Pritzker backed Democratic Chicago Political machine known well for its machinations.

    On some issues Obama held for liberals, but to call him a liberal he palpably….SHRINKS as he did tonite in N.H. debate.

    Obama speaks one way to blacks, and another to whites. Which is he? Blacks concern that he isn’t black enough as he has been conservative or dodgy on most issues.
    His is a deliberate, highly organized and opportunistic entertainment event hawking hope and change while invoking ML King intonations of preacherdom to add to his gravitas with an illusory hope and change message.

    Compelling Selling.

    His record ain’t so compelling. A do nothing in Senate. Voted horribly for Patriot Act. Hillary against it along with the Bankruptcy bill which he voted against which offered protection to credit card users. There are quite a few similar pips.

    But his oratory is giving the delusion that he is the savior of America.
    Oprahbama’s entertainment event full of intoned pleas to establish Obama as the most powerful man in the land as Oprah’s cell phone gifts and goodie bags tracked his votes.
    So, Oprahpalooza has finally translated to the
    Presidency. We always said Oprah could be President if only she would run

  • norris morris

    You make general remarks without attribution that are entirely subjective an untrue.

    Name calling is hollow stuff. Back up your claims with logic, attribution and consideration for an entire look at the truth.

  • norris morris

    I double dare you to go to Washington Post online and access politics and menu down to Congress Votes.

    There you will find Obama’s votes for Patriot Act, and his vote against Caps of interest for credit card users in Bankruptcy act along with some other beauts.

    Whenever inconvenient[Kyl/Lieberman] he absented himself. He has been partcularly sneaky and dodgy re: all absent votes so as to not face confrontational issues.

    He has backtracked on healthcare many times. look at record in Illinois Senate which he’s hidden if you can find his may “present” votes.

    Oprah’s boy is primed for her prime time and the disgusting Oprahbama intrusion into a caucus that should remain neutral among its own was disturbing hubris.

    Oprah and Colin Powell are our two leading Republicans that want their fellow in The White House. He soft balled Condi at hearings, and his highly trained oratory has deluded and swayed the hungry.

    We always said if Oprah ran, she could be President.

  • Shirin

    What part of I don’t give a damn about Obama one way or the other has not been clear to you so far?

  • norris morris

    your disgusting troll rant should bump you from this website. ken you sound like a bum.

  • G Hazeltine

    Yes!!
    Seriously though, dig up some Hagel speeches on foreign policy. They are excellent. Feingold, it goes without saying.

  • http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/obama-talks-the-talk-but-where%e2%80%99s-the-walk/ Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk? « ::BROADCATCHING::

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  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/05/name-one-accomplishment-by-obama/ Name one accomplishment by Obama : NO QUARTER

    [...] Senate efforts to end the war. Your voting record is identical to Sen. Clinton’s except that she had the guts to vote against the confirmation of Gen. George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army because, Sen. Clinton discovered, he wasn’t taking care of [...]

  • Hilli

    I was very curious to see what you found “disgusting and alarming” and so I watched this clip. I must say very simply that you are twisted.

    There was nothing at all disgusting or alarming here. What I learned is that there is a difference of opinion, weighing the danger of Iran against the danger of George W. Bush. I think Edwards articulated himself very well.

    But seriously: what did you wish Hillary to do to the first speaker? The older fat white haired one? Suddenly iron his shirt?

    I submit that you are bent (prejudiced) against Hillary and are trying to spread that bias.

  • J in MN

    this is what is wrong with politics they don’t know who they are voting for and they get caught up in the spin factor of the campaign. People need to do their HW (yeah right like that is going to happen).

    I think yours and all of the NoQuarter posts are excellent. Keep up the good work.

  • WildChild

    BOBO walks like a scam, talks like a scam, walks like a scam my BOBO weeenieeee…

  • WildChild

    but the topic is Obama talks the talk, But where’s the walk?

  • http://hillwatch2008.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/senator-clintons-plan-to-purloin-her-partys-presidential-nomination/ Senator Clinton’s Plan to Purloin her Party’s Presidential Nomination « Hillary Watch

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