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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121861</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;
ISRAEL&#039;S RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF &lt;/strong&gt;

By Joseph Massad, The Electronic Intifada, 20 January 2009 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The logic goes as follows: Israel has the right to occupy Palestinian land, lay siege to Palestinian populations in Bantustans surrounded by an apartheid wall, starve the population, cut them off from fuel and electricity, uproot their trees and crops, and launch periodic raids and targeted assassinations against them and their elected leadership, and if this population resists these massive Israeli attacks against their lives and the fabric of their society and &lt;strong&gt;Israel responds by slaughtering them en masse,&lt;/strong&gt; then Israel would simply be &quot;defending&quot; itself as it must and should.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10221.shtml


&lt;em&gt;&quot;Not even high intelligence and a sensitive spirit are of any help once the facts of a situation are deduced from a political theory, rather than vice versa.&quot; -- &lt;strong&gt;Robert Conquest, author of The Great Terror, the first authority on Stalin&#039;s Great Purge, 1936-1938. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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ISRAEL&#8217;S RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF </strong></p>
<p>By Joseph Massad, The Electronic Intifada, 20 January 2009 </p>
<blockquote><p>The logic goes as follows: Israel has the right to occupy Palestinian land, lay siege to Palestinian populations in Bantustans surrounded by an apartheid wall, starve the population, cut them off from fuel and electricity, uproot their trees and crops, and launch periodic raids and targeted assassinations against them and their elected leadership, and if this population resists these massive Israeli attacks against their lives and the fabric of their society and <strong>Israel responds by slaughtering them en masse,</strong> then Israel would simply be &#8220;defending&#8221; itself as it must and should.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10221.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10221.shtml</a></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Not even high intelligence and a sensitive spirit are of any help once the facts of a situation are deduced from a political theory, rather than vice versa.&#8221; &#8212; <strong>Robert Conquest, author of The Great Terror, the first authority on Stalin&#8217;s Great Purge, 1936-1938. </strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121850</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Might it be possible that Hamas placed white phosphorous in harm’s way to further ignite anger against the IDF?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, it&#039;s a legitimate question. After all, we&#039;ve all seen accusations from Israel that Hamas actually killed the 350 children to spark outrage from the international community. 

The answer is NO. An unqualified NO. Hamas couldn&#039;t do it, and Hamas wouldn&#039;t do it. Hamas doesn&#039;t have access to White Phosphorous bombs in the first place, and Hamas knows full well that it&#039;s future depends on support from Palestinians, who are no fools, let me tell you. They are shut off from the world, starving, and brutally oppressed; but they get information, they survive, and they would not stand for their children to be slaughtered by Hamas for political gain. They are not fools. The demonization of Palestinians by Israel is one of the most offensive parts of the entire history. Palestinians are a wonderful people; they love their children; they are warm, hospitable, and if you are visiting them, you wouldn&#039;t believe the warmth you&#039;d see from them. 

Israel is a rogue state. Only a rogue state would do what Israel does in the Territories. Even Israelis admit it. The problem is, Americans largely don&#039;t know that fact. But, I do. And so do many, many others. 

We will continue to speak out, and to highlight Israeli voices that dissent, because Israel will not survive without their reason, without their voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Might it be possible that Hamas placed white phosphorous in harm’s way to further ignite anger against the IDF?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s a legitimate question. After all, we&#8217;ve all seen accusations from Israel that Hamas actually killed the 350 children to spark outrage from the international community. </p>
<p>The answer is NO. An unqualified NO. Hamas couldn&#8217;t do it, and Hamas wouldn&#8217;t do it. Hamas doesn&#8217;t have access to White Phosphorous bombs in the first place, and Hamas knows full well that it&#8217;s future depends on support from Palestinians, who are no fools, let me tell you. They are shut off from the world, starving, and brutally oppressed; but they get information, they survive, and they would not stand for their children to be slaughtered by Hamas for political gain. They are not fools. The demonization of Palestinians by Israel is one of the most offensive parts of the entire history. Palestinians are a wonderful people; they love their children; they are warm, hospitable, and if you are visiting them, you wouldn&#8217;t believe the warmth you&#8217;d see from them. </p>
<p>Israel is a rogue state. Only a rogue state would do what Israel does in the Territories. Even Israelis admit it. The problem is, Americans largely don&#8217;t know that fact. But, I do. And so do many, many others. </p>
<p>We will continue to speak out, and to highlight Israeli voices that dissent, because Israel will not survive without their reason, without their voices.</p>
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		<title>By: goldengrahme</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121615</link>
		<dc:creator>goldengrahme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being considered a nutcase (and this would not be unusual as I have always remained on the outside of conventional &quot;wisdom&quot;
or comfortable beliefs), might it be possible that Hamas placed white phosphorous in harm&#039;s way to further ignite anger against the IDF?

hmmmmm...as to the depleted uranium, that is
possible. They did get much in the way of arms
from the U.S.  But the far left/right nexus is well-armed with rumor and disinformation to make its case. And they have militated against Israel since its inception.  I have never fully understood the abject hate or ire tiny little
Israel engenders in opponents.  It&#039;s as if
Hitlerites vow to go to their grave seeking revenge.

The ultimate revenge is survival and Jews are famous for that affront against other ethnic groups. Just musing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being considered a nutcase (and this would not be unusual as I have always remained on the outside of conventional &#8220;wisdom&#8221;<br />
or comfortable beliefs), might it be possible that Hamas placed white phosphorous in harm&#8217;s way to further ignite anger against the IDF?</p>
<p>hmmmmm&#8230;as to the depleted uranium, that is<br />
possible. They did get much in the way of arms<br />
from the U.S.  But the far left/right nexus is well-armed with rumor and disinformation to make its case. And they have militated against Israel since its inception.  I have never fully understood the abject hate or ire tiny little<br />
Israel engenders in opponents.  It&#8217;s as if<br />
Hitlerites vow to go to their grave seeking revenge.</p>
<p>The ultimate revenge is survival and Jews are famous for that affront against other ethnic groups. Just musing.</p>
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		<title>By: smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, just what are the UN resolutions that they have ignored, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, just what are the UN resolutions that they have ignored, please?</p>
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		<title>By: alibe</title>
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		<dc:creator>alibe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A worlds record. 1247 cliches, wrapped inside the trite, punctuated by idiocy.

God help us. How much did he pay for this piece of drivel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A worlds record. 1247 cliches, wrapped inside the trite, punctuated by idiocy.</p>
<p>God help us. How much did he pay for this piece of drivel?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complying  with  UN   Resolutions,  which they&#039;ve  been  allowed  to completely ignore  by  the  Bush  administration.    

You  know,  kinda  like  Saddam  Hussein   was  forced  to comply  with  same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complying  with  UN   Resolutions,  which they&#8217;ve  been  allowed  to completely ignore  by  the  Bush  administration.    </p>
<p>You  know,  kinda  like  Saddam  Hussein   was  forced  to comply  with  same.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121040</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed,  mountain.   

There  are multiple   international organizations  condemning  Israel  this  time,  including  the   United Nations  itself,  over   UN  workers   killed  by out-of-control  IDF  members,   and  the  many  lies  the  Israeli  political  leadership  tried to  tell,  but  later    changed  their  stories.   

It&#039;s  quite  different  now.   Israel&#039;s  &quot;unilateral   ceasefire,  declaring  victory&quot;  is  being   laughed  at  around  the  world ,  this  time. 

Not  a  good  outcome  for  Israel,  especially  since  Americans  threw  the  neocons  out   of  office,  in  favor  of   even-handed  diplomacy.  

Thanks  for  all your  rational,  factual   articles  you bring  to  the  board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed,  mountain.   </p>
<p>There  are multiple   international organizations  condemning  Israel  this  time,  including  the   United Nations  itself,  over   UN  workers   killed  by out-of-control  IDF  members,   and  the  many  lies  the  Israeli  political  leadership  tried to  tell,  but  later    changed  their  stories.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s  quite  different  now.   Israel&#8217;s  &#8220;unilateral   ceasefire,  declaring  victory&#8221;  is  being   laughed  at  around  the  world ,  this  time. </p>
<p>Not  a  good  outcome  for  Israel,  especially  since  Americans  threw  the  neocons  out   of  office,  in  favor  of   even-handed  diplomacy.  </p>
<p>Thanks  for  all your  rational,  factual   articles  you bring  to  the  board.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121025</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t  it  amazing  that  Israel  was never   expected   to pay  for  the  damage  they  did  in Lebanon,   or  that  now  they   feel   NO  RESPONSIBILITY  for   Gaza,   either?    

THIS  time,  though,  even   Turkey has  turned  against  them.    

Depends on  how one  defines   &quot;success&quot;  and  &quot;defeat,&quot;  doesn&#039;t  it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t  it  amazing  that  Israel  was never   expected   to pay  for  the  damage  they  did  in Lebanon,   or  that  now  they   feel   NO  RESPONSIBILITY  for   Gaza,   either?    </p>
<p>THIS  time,  though,  even   Turkey has  turned  against  them.    </p>
<p>Depends on  how one  defines   &#8220;success&#8221;  and  &#8220;defeat,&#8221;  doesn&#8217;t  it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haaretz  is  reporting  that  Israeli  soldiers  are openly   saying   their  commanders  gave  them  permission  to   do  &quot;whatever you  have  to  do.&quot;    They&#039;re  BRAGGING  about  it.  

I  guess  for  people  like  Julie,  shooting  children  in  the  head   is   ok.   

Disgusting,  aren&#039;t  they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haaretz  is  reporting  that  Israeli  soldiers  are openly   saying   their  commanders  gave  them  permission  to   do  &#8220;whatever you  have  to  do.&#8221;    They&#8217;re  BRAGGING  about  it.  </p>
<p>I  guess  for  people  like  Julie,  shooting  children  in  the  head   is   ok.   </p>
<p>Disgusting,  aren&#8217;t  they?</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/11594/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza/#comment-1121013</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel and the United States are committing war crimes in Gaza. And, &quot;rule by thugs&quot; is quite a statement, considering that Hamas was democratically elected. In the US, we held a democratic election in 2004 and &quot;returned to rule by thugs,&quot; when we re-elected G.W. Bush. 

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Clear and undeniable evidence&quot; of Israeli use of White Phosphorous in Gaza&lt;/strong&gt;

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/19/israels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-civilian-areas-clear-and-undeniable/

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Geneva Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits the use of White Phosphorous against civilian populations, or against military forces co-located with civilians.

In addition a letter from several ambassadors to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) asked the agency to investigate reports that the Israeli military had been using depleted uranium weapons during the war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel and the United States are committing war crimes in Gaza. And, &#8220;rule by thugs&#8221; is quite a statement, considering that Hamas was democratically elected. In the US, we held a democratic election in 2004 and &#8220;returned to rule by thugs,&#8221; when we re-elected G.W. Bush. </p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Clear and undeniable evidence&#8221; of Israeli use of White Phosphorous in Gaza</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/19/israels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-civilian-areas-clear-and-undeniable/" rel="nofollow">http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/19/israels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-civilian-areas-clear-and-undeniable/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Geneva Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits the use of White Phosphorous against civilian populations, or against military forces co-located with civilians.</p>
<p>In addition a letter from several ambassadors to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) asked the agency to investigate reports that the Israeli military had been using depleted uranium weapons during the war.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,   except  that  the   world  community  is  now  disgusted  by  Israel&#039;s  brutality,  and  that will  definitely  change  the  mood  at  the  United  Nations.   

Even  Turkey,   a  non-secular  Muslim  nation--a  democracy---is  calling  for   an  international   arms  embargo   against   Israel.     

Egypt  has  refused  to  allow international   troops  on  their  sovereign  soil  to  watch  the  border,  as  Israel  has  tried  to  push  the  United  States   to   force  them  to do.  

The  worm  has  turned,  Julie.     

And  that&#039;s  not  a  good   outcome  for  Israel.    

Maybe  the United  Nations  will  now   force  Israel  to comply  with  the   65  UN  Resolutions  they  have  completely ignored ,  given that  they think  they&#039;re  ABOVE  international  law,  and  that  they  think   Palestinian  children   are   worth  LESS  than  Israeli  children.   

Perhaps  the  rest   of  the  world  will  see  the  brutality  of  the  Israeli  nation,   and   converge   in  holding  them  to   international  standards  of  common  decency.   

Good   outcome  for  the  United  States ,  of  course.   

NOT  a  good  outcome   for  Israel.    

Due   respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,   except  that  the   world  community  is  now  disgusted  by  Israel&#8217;s  brutality,  and  that will  definitely  change  the  mood  at  the  United  Nations.   </p>
<p>Even  Turkey,   a  non-secular  Muslim  nation&#8211;a  democracy&#8212;is  calling  for   an  international   arms  embargo   against   Israel.     </p>
<p>Egypt  has  refused  to  allow international   troops  on  their  sovereign  soil  to  watch  the  border,  as  Israel  has  tried  to  push  the  United  States   to   force  them  to do.  </p>
<p>The  worm  has  turned,  Julie.     </p>
<p>And  that&#8217;s  not  a  good   outcome  for  Israel.    </p>
<p>Maybe  the United  Nations  will  now   force  Israel  to comply  with  the   65  UN  Resolutions  they  have  completely ignored ,  given that  they think  they&#8217;re  ABOVE  international  law,  and  that  they  think   Palestinian  children   are   worth  LESS  than  Israeli  children.   </p>
<p>Perhaps  the  rest   of  the  world  will  see  the  brutality  of  the  Israeli  nation,   and   converge   in  holding  them  to   international  standards  of  common  decency.   </p>
<p>Good   outcome  for  the  United  States ,  of  course.   </p>
<p>NOT  a  good  outcome   for  Israel.    </p>
<p>Due   respect.</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3271281/gaza-returns-to-rule-by-thug.thtml</description>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EWard, to be completely fair, Israel is the only nuclear armed country in the area. According to every estimate, they have 250-300 war heads and the capability to deliver them over long distances. They could destroy the entire ME. Iran is 2300 miles round trip and they aren&#039;t able to deliver even if they had war heads. Israel has already unilaterally bombed Syria and lost a war with Hezbollah. They have lost support from much of the international community because of their aggressive behavior and the UN is investigating the bombing of one of it&#039;s schools where civilians had taken shelter as a war crime. Wouldn&#039;t we all benefit if they sat down and negotiated in good faith? They aren&#039;t achieving their goals and they are creating more problems for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EWard, to be completely fair, Israel is the only nuclear armed country in the area. According to every estimate, they have 250-300 war heads and the capability to deliver them over long distances. They could destroy the entire ME. Iran is 2300 miles round trip and they aren&#8217;t able to deliver even if they had war heads. Israel has already unilaterally bombed Syria and lost a war with Hezbollah. They have lost support from much of the international community because of their aggressive behavior and the UN is investigating the bombing of one of it&#8217;s schools where civilians had taken shelter as a war crime. Wouldn&#8217;t we all benefit if they sat down and negotiated in good faith? They aren&#8217;t achieving their goals and they are creating more problems for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correct; israel is between a rock and a hard place.  it&#039;s going to be a long time before the arab countries that surround it give up the efforts to destroy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correct; israel is between a rock and a hard place.  it&#8217;s going to be a long time before the arab countries that surround it give up the efforts to destroy it.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what will make the israelis more secure?  please tell us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what will make the israelis more secure?  please tell us.</p>
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