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	<title>Comments on: Time Out From Politics &amp; A Prayer (+ Open Thread)</title>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-85138</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are reduced to SPAM responses.

U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message 
Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:20:40 PM 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank you for writing regarding the Bush Administration&#039;s request for legislation that would provide liability relief for telecommunications companies that are alleged to have provided assistance to the National Security Agency after September 11, 2001. I appreciate your thoughts on this topic, and welcome the opportunity to respond. 

The Senate Intelligence Committee approved a bill on October 18th amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) by a vote of 13-2. That bill, among many provisions, would provide immunity for such companies if they were specifically requested or directed to provide assistance to the government. 

The Intelligence Committee&#039;s report on the bill includes declassified text stating that the Executive branch provided letters to electronic communication service providers at regular intervals. These letters all directed or requested assistance and noted that the assistance was authorized by the President and was legal. The Committee&#039;s report can be found at http://intelligence.senate.gov/071025/report.pdf.

 

I voted for the FISA legislation that passed out of the Intelligence Committee by a bipartisan vote of 13-2. The Senate Judiciary Committee did not take action on the portions of the bill dealing with immunity.  The bill is now scheduled to go to the Senate floor.  I am keeping an open mind to whether some other legislative approach besides immunity would be best.


Rest assured that I will make every effort to ensure that new FISA legislation will protect the privacy rights of all Americans without restricting the intelligence community&#039;s ability to protect us from attack. 
    


Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
        United States Senator&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message<br />
Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:20:40 PM </p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you for writing regarding the Bush Administration&#8217;s request for legislation that would provide liability relief for telecommunications companies that are alleged to have provided assistance to the National Security Agency after September 11, 2001. I appreciate your thoughts on this topic, and welcome the opportunity to respond. </p>
<p>The Senate Intelligence Committee approved a bill on October 18th amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) by a vote of 13-2. That bill, among many provisions, would provide immunity for such companies if they were specifically requested or directed to provide assistance to the government. </p>
<p>The Intelligence Committee&#8217;s report on the bill includes declassified text stating that the Executive branch provided letters to electronic communication service providers at regular intervals. These letters all directed or requested assistance and noted that the assistance was authorized by the President and was legal. The Committee&#8217;s report can be found at <a href="http://intelligence.senate.gov/071025/report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://intelligence.senate.gov/071025/report.pdf</a>.</p>
<p>I voted for the FISA legislation that passed out of the Intelligence Committee by a bipartisan vote of 13-2. The Senate Judiciary Committee did not take action on the portions of the bill dealing with immunity.  The bill is now scheduled to go to the Senate floor.  I am keeping an open mind to whether some other legislative approach besides immunity would be best.</p>
<p>Rest assured that I will make every effort to ensure that new FISA legislation will protect the privacy rights of all Americans without restricting the intelligence community&#8217;s ability to protect us from attack. </p>
<p>Sincerely yours,</p>
<p>Dianne Feinstein<br />
        United States Senator</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-85023</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson204.html

Paul krugman: fascist</description>
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<p>Paul krugman: fascist</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84374</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. After I posted it, I listened to that radio interview.  It&#039;s hosted by a Seattle radio host who has a medical information show.  The sound quality is superb. My surgeon sounds exactly like he did whenever he talked with me about my surgery -- sober, factual, and 100% engaged (i.e., tuned in to me). The topic: &quot;Hip and knee replacement: Separating fact from fiction.&quot;  I learned a lot listening to it!  Including why I&#039;m still having pain ... he explains what happens to all the soft tissue that gets damaged, before and after surgery.  Fascinating. 

He also talked about which implants are good, which aren&#039;t, and about those advertised arthritis remedies.  And which procedures are proven, and which procedures are currently fashionable, but don&#039;t work as well as others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. After I posted it, I listened to that radio interview.  It&#8217;s hosted by a Seattle radio host who has a medical information show.  The sound quality is superb. My surgeon sounds exactly like he did whenever he talked with me about my surgery &#8212; sober, factual, and 100% engaged (i.e., tuned in to me). The topic: &#8220;Hip and knee replacement: Separating fact from fiction.&#8221;  I learned a lot listening to it!  Including why I&#8217;m still having pain &#8230; he explains what happens to all the soft tissue that gets damaged, before and after surgery.  Fascinating. </p>
<p>He also talked about which implants are good, which aren&#8217;t, and about those advertised arthritis remedies.  And which procedures are proven, and which procedures are currently fashionable, but don&#8217;t work as well as others.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84369</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s terrible you didn&#039;t get any e-mails from me.  I got the one you sent last night and replied / tell me if you get it. 

What could have happened, because this has happened to me before -- GMail saves my e-mails as I&#039;m writing them, and my reply to you could have been one of those where I wrote it, got interrupted, and it got saved as a &quot;Draft&quot; and it never got sent to you.  The first few weeks, I had a constant stream of people coming here to help me -- there was someone knocking at the door all the time.  There were RNs, physical therapists, occupational therapists, people bringing me food, people coming to clean, people delivering groceries, and neighbors checking
on me ... all the time!  (Which was all essential, and so needed.)  And my old chair was too painful to sit on so I didn&#039;t spend much time at the &#039;puter, so I had to get another chair, which a good friend helped me do.  I&#039;ll have to dig back and look.  (I still have 450+ e-mails in my Inbox that I&#039;ve not gotten to, sigh. -- pages and pages of them. Ugh.  And that doesn&#039;t count all the e-mails I filtered into folders.)

I&#039;m so glad to see you here.  You&#039;ve been through a lot, including a big move, and you&#039;re always in my thoughts.  One of these days, I&#039;ll be able to get on the ferry and come see you!  Woohoo!  (Just pray I can do it before I need a passport, since those take forever to get now, and are very expensive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s terrible you didn&#8217;t get any e-mails from me.  I got the one you sent last night and replied / tell me if you get it. </p>
<p>What could have happened, because this has happened to me before &#8212; GMail saves my e-mails as I&#8217;m writing them, and my reply to you could have been one of those where I wrote it, got interrupted, and it got saved as a &#8220;Draft&#8221; and it never got sent to you.  The first few weeks, I had a constant stream of people coming here to help me &#8212; there was someone knocking at the door all the time.  There were RNs, physical therapists, occupational therapists, people bringing me food, people coming to clean, people delivering groceries, and neighbors checking<br />
on me &#8230; all the time!  (Which was all essential, and so needed.)  And my old chair was too painful to sit on so I didn&#8217;t spend much time at the &#8216;puter, so I had to get another chair, which a good friend helped me do.  I&#8217;ll have to dig back and look.  (I still have 450+ e-mails in my Inbox that I&#8217;ve not gotten to, sigh. &#8212; pages and pages of them. Ugh.  And that doesn&#8217;t count all the e-mails I filtered into folders.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad to see you here.  You&#8217;ve been through a lot, including a big move, and you&#8217;re always in my thoughts.  One of these days, I&#8217;ll be able to get on the ferry and come see you!  Woohoo!  (Just pray I can do it before I need a passport, since those take forever to get now, and are very expensive.)</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84364</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  I&#039;m all bent over this morning -- back is out -- think I&#039;ll have to cancel PT today.  Gotta go more slowly.

Another issue:  The PT won&#039;t let me drive yet.  Thankfully, ParaTransit will take me to appointments.  I can get in my daughter&#039;s car easily.  But my car is very low to the ground and even I am apprehensive.  One of these days!  Wanna go cruisin&#039; again.

Hope your recent tour went smashingly, Taters, and that you had a chance to get out and about in those great cities you visited.  WRITE more for us!  We love your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  I&#8217;m all bent over this morning &#8212; back is out &#8212; think I&#8217;ll have to cancel PT today.  Gotta go more slowly.</p>
<p>Another issue:  The PT won&#8217;t let me drive yet.  Thankfully, ParaTransit will take me to appointments.  I can get in my daughter&#8217;s car easily.  But my car is very low to the ground and even I am apprehensive.  One of these days!  Wanna go cruisin&#8217; again.</p>
<p>Hope your recent tour went smashingly, Taters, and that you had a chance to get out and about in those great cities you visited.  WRITE more for us!  We love your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84355</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were so nice to me and brought me the yummiest treats in the hospital.  That was great fun.  And I shared your expert info. on how to vote on the initiatives, etc. with my local friends when I got home.

I really like Chris Dodd, and have for some time.  Sure wish he could build some traction in the presidential race ... he would make a fine president. He not only has the knowledge and so much experience, but he has leadership qualities. I&#039;d support him.  Wonder why Iowans haven&#039;t picked up on his qualities.

Noticed a post somewhere yesterday touting him for Majority Leader. That&#039;d be good too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were so nice to me and brought me the yummiest treats in the hospital.  That was great fun.  And I shared your expert info. on how to vote on the initiatives, etc. with my local friends when I got home.</p>
<p>I really like Chris Dodd, and have for some time.  Sure wish he could build some traction in the presidential race &#8230; he would make a fine president. He not only has the knowledge and so much experience, but he has leadership qualities. I&#8217;d support him.  Wonder why Iowans haven&#8217;t picked up on his qualities.</p>
<p>Noticed a post somewhere yesterday touting him for Majority Leader. That&#8217;d be good too.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84351</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I haven&#039;t read up on the FISA bill that much either. (Can anyone help explain the details here?)

But what in the hell is wrong with keeping the old one until we can get a president who&#039;ll promote one that doesn&#039;t let the U.S. spy on anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I haven&#8217;t read up on the FISA bill that much either. (Can anyone help explain the details here?)</p>
<p>But what in the hell is wrong with keeping the old one until we can get a president who&#8217;ll promote one that doesn&#8217;t let the U.S. spy on anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84348</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Maria, Maria ... I just &lt;/em&gt;... that &#039;s my senator!  She&#039;s another one of those who works so hard.  We&#039;re so lucky she squeaked past Slade Gorton in 2000 (oh, that count went on for weeks).  

Harkin is another favorite.  And Ron Wyden -- another worker!  (I saw his wife a couple times recently on BookTV -- she owns a bookstore in NYC. She said he buys wonk-ish books about health care policy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Maria, Maria &#8230; I just </em>&#8230; that &#8216;s my senator!  She&#8217;s another one of those who works so hard.  We&#8217;re so lucky she squeaked past Slade Gorton in 2000 (oh, that count went on for weeks).  </p>
<p>Harkin is another favorite.  And Ron Wyden &#8212; another worker!  (I saw his wife a couple times recently on BookTV &#8212; she owns a bookstore in NYC. She said he buys wonk-ish books about health care policy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Susan,
I&#039;m happy to learn that you had your hip surgery and that you are recovering. 

I have sent a few emails to you but as you said in your recent email to me, I must be behind your firewal/filter or something.

Moving on... (Gee I miss Colbert!)

Alternet has a wonderful article on how your mood can affect healing.

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/70342/

I wish you best for the holidays - many moments of joy!

Marilyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Susan,<br />
I&#8217;m happy to learn that you had your hip surgery and that you are recovering. </p>
<p>I have sent a few emails to you but as you said in your recent email to me, I must be behind your firewal/filter or something.</p>
<p>Moving on&#8230; (Gee I miss Colbert!)</p>
<p>Alternet has a wonderful article on how your mood can affect healing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/70342/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/70342/</a></p>
<p>I wish you best for the holidays &#8211; many moments of joy!</p>
<p>Marilyn</p>
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		<title>By: bama_barrron</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1164/time-out-from-politics-a-prayer-open-thread/#comment-84308</link>
		<dc:creator>bama_barrron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was proud to see my senator, ron wyden, on that list ... i sometimes get a little upset with him for his timid votes on impeachment but be that as it may ... he is a true progressive and represents oregon very well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was proud to see my senator, ron wyden, on that list &#8230; i sometimes get a little upset with him for his timid votes on impeachment but be that as it may &#8230; he is a true progressive and represents oregon very well!</p>
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		<title>By: Taters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Susan, hang in there kiddo. We&#039;re pulling for you and I&#039;m sorry to hear about all the pain you&#039;re suffering. And I hope your surgeon has a speedy recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Susan, hang in there kiddo. We&#8217;re pulling for you and I&#8217;m sorry to hear about all the pain you&#8217;re suffering. And I hope your surgeon has a speedy recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: HoosierHoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>HoosierHoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan
The therapist pushed me too hard, and I’ll tell her tomorrow that we need to slow things down. 

I can promise you this..As many times as you want to hug your therapist..you&#039;ll also want to strangle her.. She sounds like she is really pushing you..
When your therapy is all complete and it&#039;s hugs and kisses and many thanks all around..There will still be that little voice in your head going &#039; please god just give me one wack to her legs with a bat&#039;
:)
I&#039;m just play&#039;n..

Susan: I don&#039;t really understand all the implications of the FISA bill and the full extent of the liability issues but I find it hard to believe that the legal dept. signed off on this when the gov&#039;t approached the telecoms. Normally i would think legal would never ever sign off on the snooping of their customer base. Which begs the question, How hard did the gov&#039;t lean on the telecoms?
What tactics and threats were used in the name of national security? Were the arms of the telecoms get twisted to play along or did they help willingly?
Maybe you can help fill in the blanks of this story for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan<br />
The therapist pushed me too hard, and I’ll tell her tomorrow that we need to slow things down. </p>
<p>I can promise you this..As many times as you want to hug your therapist..you&#8217;ll also want to strangle her.. She sounds like she is really pushing you..<br />
When your therapy is all complete and it&#8217;s hugs and kisses and many thanks all around..There will still be that little voice in your head going &#8216; please god just give me one wack to her legs with a bat&#8217;<br />
 <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;m just play&#8217;n..</p>
<p>Susan: I don&#8217;t really understand all the implications of the FISA bill and the full extent of the liability issues but I find it hard to believe that the legal dept. signed off on this when the gov&#8217;t approached the telecoms. Normally i would think legal would never ever sign off on the snooping of their customer base. Which begs the question, How hard did the gov&#8217;t lean on the telecoms?<br />
What tactics and threats were used in the name of national security? Were the arms of the telecoms get twisted to play along or did they help willingly?<br />
Maybe you can help fill in the blanks of this story for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know that Feingold was the only one who read the unPatriot Act?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that Feingold was the only one who read the unPatriot Act?</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie,

I see that my man Feingold came through again!

Susan,

I hope you feel better soon. Also, sorry to hear about your surgeon and I also wish him the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie,</p>
<p>I see that my man Feingold came through again!</p>
<p>Susan,</p>
<p>I hope you feel better soon. Also, sorry to hear about your surgeon and I also wish him the best.</p>
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		<title>By: shoephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and the Patriot Act...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and the Patriot Act&#8230;</p>
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