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Quibbles and Bits – 1/22/09

The Washington Times has a story about an inaugural ball gone bad. Apparently a singer with George Clinton and the P. Funk All-Stars held up a white towel with the words f–k George on it.

Now that might not have been a problem at the ball where JayZ “entertained,” but this was an inaugural ball honoring US military vets.

During the Heroes Red, White & Blue Inaugural Ball honoring the nation’s veterans, a vocalist with George Clinton and the P. Funk All-Stars held up a white towel with large block letters saying “[Expletive] GEORGE,” perturbing many audience members who walked out after the display, interpreting it as a jab at the outgoing commander-in-chief, George W. Bush.
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“Obviously we and the Heroes Ball coordinators were unaware that the sign existed and did not support their actions, especially considering our non-partisan mission and treasured military audience,” said ball spokeswoman Carrie Foster.

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What did the band say about this? Well, it WAS pretty lame and nothing I’d believe from my 7 year old.

But a spokesman for the band, the final act to perform, said the sign was intended to poke fun at their leader, who shares the same first name as Bush.

“George’s guys always have always had a thing about the four-letter-word,” said band spokesman Sandy Friedman. “It was directed to George Clinton. There was no last name, it was to George, the leader of the band.”

You’re kidding, right? Someone in the band, as a joke, holds up a “f–k George” sign about the leader and BOSS of the band? And George Clinton is a well-known, respected musician. Give me a freakin break. That’s a lie and it’s a stupid one.

Military people do not like jabs at a president, whether they voted for him or not. They are typically more respectful of the office than the average “recording artist.”

Also:

The towel incident was a hiccup in an otherwise smooth and glamorous evening. Guests on hand to thank the veterans included Larry King, Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and USO President Elaine Rodgers.

No. BO didn’t see fit to attend THIS ball.

2) And for another ball story. Thisain’thell has a post about another ball BO didn’t attend: the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball. THis is the one that recognizes Medal of Honor recipients. Apparently a blog poster attended that ball because I don’t see any references to media here.

According to TSO who was at the “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball”, this newly sworn-in President for the first time in 56 years blew off the ball (that’s 14 Inaugurations).

I honestly don’t know what to say to this. Obama already has an “iffy” relationship with many rank and file service members. He should have made the effort.

3) Another day in Afghanistan, another stupid male throwing acid on girls going to school. From CNN:

The 19-year-old was heading to school along with her 16-year-old sister, Atifa, in Kandahar, Afghanistan. It was a warm November morning last year and their only anxiety was being late for class.

“We saw two men up ahead staring at us. One was standing off and the other one was on their motorcycle. I wanted to go but there was a black object in his hand and he took it out,” Atifa says.

The girls thought it was a water pistol.

“He grabbed my arm and asked, ‘Will you be going to school anymore?’ He then threw acid on my sister and threw acid on me,” Shamsia says.
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Atifa was burned so badly that her red scarf melted onto her dark brown hair.

Video of an acid attack:

Just another acid attack on just another girl. Until a few weeks later when video of the since arrested attackers popped up.

. . .until a video made by Afghan Intelligence was released by the Interior Ministry, and aired on Afghan State Television in late December.

One of the accused, Jalil, said in the video that a major in the ISI, or Pakistani intelligence unit, approached him and offered him the equivalent of $2,000 for each attack.

“He told me I will give 200,000 Pakistani rupees for a teacher’s death, 300,000 for burning a school, and 100,000 for throwing acid on a schoolgirl,” Jalil said, seeming frightened and agitated as he looked into the camera.

He said the major gave him a letter for the Pakistani Consulate in Kandahar, where he received the money.

True? I don’t know. But one of the young women talked about revenge.

But her greatest revenge, she says, is an education.

When asked if she would stop attending school, Shamsia was quick with her response. “Why wouldn’t I want to come to school? I want our country to persevere. I have to do something for my country, I must go to school.”

Good on her.

4) You did know that Tim Geithner claimed that TurboTax didn’t sufficiently prod him to produce a W-2 or 1099 for his work at the IMF? No? Well, the National Review took a look at the software and refutes this.

Senator Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, asked, “Did the software prompt you to pay those taxes?”

“Not to my recollection,” Geithner answered.

Do any TurboTax users know otherwise from experience?

UPDATE: A reader responds, “I assure you that Turbotax asks very specifically if you got a 1099 or a W2 from your employer. I know it, you know it, the American people know it!”

Tempest in a teapot? Maybe, but here’s another point NRO makes:

Geithner added that the error is his, not the software’s, but again, if the software that he used to prepare his taxes reminded him of this provision of the tax code, and he still didn’t pay, it looks worse, and tougher and tougher to believe that they were “completely unintentional” as he said in his opening statement.

I use TurboTax and know I’ve seen prompts for self-employment forms. Jeeez.

5) While many Americans may feel Obama has/will vault America back to the top of world reputation and strength, the Guardian has a few cautions.

First, the article notes that Obama’s multicultural background has served him well even as he has continued to tout his “citizen of the world” cred ad nauseum.

Emphasis mine.

The great theme of his whole life until now – including the literature we know he read most intensely, his own best book (Dreams from My Father) and his greatest speech so far (the Philadelphia speech on “race”) – is the blending of multiple identities in an America that will finally be at one with itself. He not only is but consciously presents himself as the apotheosis of the American dream. He promises not merely to transcend, at long last, the United States’ founding contradiction between liberty and slavery, but also to prepare America for a new order of ethnic diversity. His immediate family of Michelle and the girls already personify the first: every other day will bring some photograph of the black family in the White House. His almost encyclopedically diverse extended family, in which the languages spoken reportedly include Indonesian, French, Cantonese, German, Hebrew, Swahili, Luo and Igbo, represents the latter.

But the writer notes that other world leaders aren’t quite as easily impressed as the average American voter.

I am struck by how many little ifs and buts hedged even the customary welcoming words from world leaders. Germany’s chancellor Angela Merkel offered warm and Christian congratulations, but added that “no single country can solve the problems of the world”. Nicolas Sarkozy said: “We are eager for him to get to work so that with him we can change the world.” (So, you see, France is ready to lead once more.) By the time we get to China, Russia, or an Arab world angered by Obama’s silence over Gaza, the caveats come not as delicate barbs but as heavy artillery shells.

The article is generally positive, but I found these bits interesting.

6) Here, for your viewing and/or nauseous pleasure, is MSNBC coverage of one of the balls and its expert commentary on the dancing, glamour and exceptional looks of the first couple. I think even Maddow got in on this.

Excuse me, gotta go retch.

  • Strawberrybitch

    Wow, Obama really attracts some classy folks, doesn’t he? God, this is being tracked into the White House.

    • Morgan

      Do they even know what’s going on from one moment to the next? Reverend Lowery racism, Obama doesn’t know what executive orders he’s signing, they don’t go over decent guidelines with the entertainment for vets– this is supposed to be Mr Calm Cool and Collected?

      Oh yeah and then dodging the questions from the press corps. Guess what? There should be no introduction other than questions. They aren’t friends they are supposed to be critical questioners.

      How many days left?

  • athena

    Is it over yet. Please say it is going to be over. I di notice today however that BO was displeased with Joe fumblebutt Biden and his shitty zab at Roberts today. He genuinely was uncomfortable with the pettiness of his comments. Anyone else see that?

  • DisenfranchisedVoter

    Media hack Rachel Maddow forgave Obama pretty quickly for inviting Rick Warren. She must have figured out that if she wanted to keep her job at MSNBO, she’d have to betray her values and her fellow gays and lesbians for $tardom.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      yep; she’s a whore. it’s pretty much a job requirement in the MSM. no non-whores need apply.

  • KintheNorthwest

    So we might get a lie in your face not my fault with Geithner. You know his story sounds vaguely familar, sort of like some of the stories Obama told.

  • Peggy Sue

    Very classy treatment of a former President of United States! I agreed with very little George Bush did during these last long, long eight years. But if you cannot respect the office itself, then you should just shut up.

    But you know what they say: what you put out there, always comes winging back, three fold.

    And the excuse? Incredibly lame.

    I did not punch up the inauguaral clip because I cannot stomach the MSNBC commentators. But the pictures I’ve seen of Barack and Michelle were really quite striking.

    But now we’re back to reality time.

    As for Geithner? I think he’ll end up with a confirmation. But I really would like to use these excuses for not paying my own personal income taxes. And I heard he was not billed with penalties! Does that apply to peons like me? Just asking.

    Good overview, Lisa.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    F*CK BO! You know, I ain’t cussing at the prez, just stating that I hate body ordor…just in case anyone thinks I’m being disrespectful to the new commander in thief chief.

    • truthtelling007

      Brings up a good point. I’ve been reading more than enough comments around here that are highly disrespectful of the “new commander in chief”. So why is it so problematic that someone said “Fuck George”..the outgoing President, but it is perfectly ok to say this stuff about the current Commander in Chief?

      Moral equivalency is no good excuse.

      If you feel “fuck obama” is legitimate (and I don’t mean you, barry bums specifically) then “fuck George” is most certainly legitimate.

      This is a bunch of nonsense. There are real problems in the world to pour our thoughts out on than policing PFunk.

      Making a point about who performed is interesting conversation, but some of this discussion is just inane and screaming with double standards.

      • wodiej

        it’s unfortunate that you dont’ see the relevance of a band holding a sign saying “fuck George” in a crowd of vets. It’s inappropriate anywhere except maybe a skanky club. Whether someone likes GB or not is irrelevant. It’s crude, vulgar behavior.

        • truthtelling007

          False. I already wrote this further down:

          “I agree that PFunk should have considered where they were.”

          next?

        • truthtelling007

          And you ignored what I addressed which is that people want to get in a tiff about “fuck George” (aside from its location) and yet have a field day saying “fuck obama” around here.

          You specifically have engaged in open disrespect, and that is your prerogative to do. It’s unfortunate that you don’t see the relevance of the double standard being exhibited right here.

          Or are you now going to establish a standard that makes this “inappropriate” “crude” “vulgar” “behavior” ok when it is Obama, but George Bush should be protected.

          Sorry, welcome to America where we scorn our leaders. We gave up King George III 250 years ago. I’m not going to get in the king making and deifying anytime soon, no matter how tight your wad gets.

          The only thing at issue here should be that this happened at a ball of Vets, who will be mixed with people who have opinions for and against.

          As I already wrote below: “as much as I believe in “Fuck George” regarding GWBush, I wouldn’t do it at a ball full of military folks because it would clearly isolate a portion of the crowd and leave them feeling left out.”

          I wouldn’t refrain because of some respect for George Bush as for the people in the crowd who didn’t want to address division on a night of celebration of Democracy.

          One part of that celebration can be the cathartic release of the pent up anger at the former administration. I know very well that in 2000 I went to plenty of places here in Texas where the treatment of Gore and Clinton was less than respectful. The pride was bitter. It hasn’t let up since then.

          You want people to respect Bush in this environment, then I’d say you’re living in a dream.

          • http://! stodgie

            truthtelling, i see plenty of critiism of obama here. if you have a problem with that? tough sxxx! i don’t see f obama here. it is in your overheated imagination. give it up. you look foolish.

            • truthtelling007

              If you don’t see fuck obama here, then you aren’t reading.

      • The Real HC

        Saying I dont like Obama/Bush on a blog devoted to politics is entirely different to holding up an I hate Obama/Bush sign at a party.

        One is appropriate to the venue, the other is rude and obnoxious.

        There is no “moral equivalency” in this. Its something else entirely – “good manners”.

        Good manners are what allow us to live and work in close proximity to others we don’t like much. I highly recommend them to everyone.

        • truthtelling007

          I know there is a difference between a blog and a party. Not sure why you didn’t notice the main portion there in bold black:

          I wouldn’t do it at a ball full of military folks because it would clearly isolate a portion of the crowd and leave them feeling left out.”

          Keep my comment above in context to who I was responding to…when “barry bum” said, “F*CK BO! You know, I ain’t cussing at the prez, just stating that I hate body ordor…just in case anyone thinks I’m being disrespectful to the new commander in thief chief.”

          The comment is sarcastic and clearly disrespectful to the Commander in Chief.
          Thus,…why is it ok to say it about Obama if it is so offensive to say about Bush.

          I didn’t compare the blog comment to the ball. Keep the apples with apples please.

          • The Real HC

            “The comment is sarcastic and clearly disrespectful to the Commander in Chief.
            Thus,…why is it ok to say it about Obama if it is so offensive to say about Bush.”

            Nobody has ever said “you can’t say bad stuff about Bush on this blog”.

            People do it constantly.

            Its the national pasttime right after baseball…

            • truthtelling007

              I claimed anyone said: “you can’t say bad stuff about Bush on this blog”
              That is a non answer to what I pointed out.

              When someone says
              “mocking the exiting president is just cheap.”

              And ignores that maybe George Bush deserves it…compounded with the mocking of the entering president, it is clearly a bullshit double standard.

              I don’t want reverence for either that isn’t earned. Obama hasn’t earned my respect just yet. He may not. But Bush has earned my disrespect. Too bad some folks think it is cheap. I think George Bush is cheap and fuck him. Next?

              • The Real HC

                “That is a non answer to what I pointed out.”

                Maybe soon you will decide what you are arguing about – I sure cannot tell at this point. Argument to argue would be my guess.

                Its OK to mock Bush.

                Its OK to mock Obama.

                We have an entire constitutional amendment about this.

                “The only thing at issue here should be that this happened at a ball of Vets, who will be mixed with people who have opinions for and against.”

                We actually agree, but I dont expect this to stop you from pressing the attack, as it were.

                The issue IS the venue, not the action.

                Mocking presidents is our right and privilege and I for one do it as much as I can – bound only by good manners and courtesy to strangers.

                • truthtelling007

                  “The issue IS the venue, not the action.”

                  Yes, in our line of discussion…agreed.

                  But let us not conflate my comment to you with my response to the generalizations made by others. I deeply disagree with other comments, not made by you, about “skanky clubs” and “low class” “working class”, high brow comments.

                  You and I are not in disagreement. Not that I see.

        • DAB

          Agreed — and the booing of George at the Inauguration ceremony was particularly egregious. I personally despise George Bush but I still feel that when you are transferring power, especially to someone who preaches but doesn’t really practice unity, it just feels all wrong to get all skanky about the person who is leaving.

          This, along with the bumbling of the oath, Aretha Franklin performance, and Lowrey’s scolding of White folk make for some cringe-inducing and occasionally sour moments on what was billed as a momentous occasion.

          • truthtelling007

            “I personally despise George Bush but I still feel that when you are transferring power, especially to someone who preaches but doesn’t really practice unity,”

            It is a nice thought, but I didn’t vote for The One, so why do I need to suddenly fall into some utopia and show respect for a jerk that should be sitting in the slammer by years end?

            In the real world there are also people who feel George Bush deserves at least a Boo.

            You are welcome to discount that, but rocks are hard and water is wet, and fighting gravity is a wasted cause. George Bush and Dick Cheney deserved every boo they got, and then some.

            If you think Obama deserves it on the way out, then shout it out loud.

  • obamastolemyboyfriend

    OMG! I am going to be so thin at the end of the Obama fairy tale. I keep feeling the need to vomit! I’m just gonna go with it though because I could stand to lose a little weight, may 10-20 pounds. After that I am not sure what I’ll do though. I don’t want to get too thin.

    Do we really have to this for 4 years? Couldn’t we shorten the term for a novice or something? You know, based on how much experience they have?

    I am absolutely disgusted that he disrepects our troops so much! Did Biden attend the ball? when I watch Obama, he looks like a kids dressed in men’s clothes and like he is role playing only. Seeing Biden this morning on the news with his fuck up didn’t make me feel more confident or hopeful either! These 2 just look like a couple of dimwits!

  • http://! stodgie

    look by getting down to that level of mocking the exiting president is just cheap. it says a lot about the mockers and not much about bush. i haven’t had much to say good about bush in recent years, but that type of conduct is low rent. it reminds me of rev wright’s and michelle’s attitudes. it isn’t like we didn’t warn the bots. if the aa’s think they are special now and are going to try and push other americans out of the way, my response is it will be a cold day in hell before they do.

    obama needs to make a decision now if he wants to lead the nation or rely on false cries of racism at every point. the media will tire of this crap fast.

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    The spam monster grabbed my comment.

    Something about the need for fumigation of the white house after this ungracious, greedy couple leaves.

    This couple is so NOT in the same league as Coretta Scott King.

    One of my dearest friends was a year behind Coretta Scott in college. My friend says that Ms. Scott stood out among the rest of her classmates — she was a gracious and beautiful person — her beauty was from the inside.

    Compare MLK and Coretta Scott King — well there is NO comparison.

    • wodiej

      Maya Angelou is another excellent role model.

    • C.S.

      I concur, Coretta Scott King worked all her life helping her husband fight segregation and after her young husband’s assassination (he was only 39) continued keeping his hope for real change alive.

      And although both Obama’s lives are secret; we know they were not filled with public service because they centered around insinuating themselves into the lives of powerful wealthy people like the convicted Rezko and well known domestic terrorist Ayers and racist Rev. Wright. Not exactly the people in Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and his wife Coretta circle of friends.

      And the majestic Maya Angelou was supporting Senator Clinton’s presidential bid, not the Soertoro/Obama candidacy.

  • TeakwoodKite

    LisaB, the story about the Medal of Honor winners is a telling one.

    Frankly, BO has a huge ego along with a huge inferiority complex. He has nursed them his whole entire life.

    These few, these brave, these dedicated humans would make BO JUST A SHADOW of a man, of course he would not honor great people.

    He would not join in Dr Kings’ tribute. But he used Dr. King for political gain.

    He changed his visit to wounded warriors in Germany, when confronted with the fact he could not make a photo op from it.

    on an on…. this is the way of things to come.

    Good Article. Thanks.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      yep, the fact that he didn’t visit the military balls does speak volumes, doesn’t it?

  • Touchet

    Obama’s presidency is a joke. Watch as his lack of “leadership” makes his cabinet fall to friggin pieces. I mean the biden was a warning sign. He visibly got upset. This guy is running the country with the nuclear trigger at his finger and he can’t keep his cool over a comment. We are in deep shit.

  • Marie

    A few months ago, just before the election, I sat next to a guy in first class on a flight from Charlotte to LA. He was a former consultant to the DNC. He told my that several high ranking democrats in the senate were worried that if Obama got in, the entire thug-ladened, sleazy Chicago machine was going to end up in Washington and it would take years to clean it out, if ever.

    I guess their fear has come true.

    • jd4hill

      Gee, then why were they stumbling all over themselves stabbing Hillary in the back and talking about how great he was?

      Live by the sword, die by the sword.

      If they were worried then they should have gone with the true class act to begin with — and stuck with her — and told Pelosi and Reid to stop pressuring them to shut down the process.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    “You’re kidding, right? Someone in the band, as a joke, holds up a ‘f–k George’ sign about the leader and BOSS of the band? And George Clinton is a well-known, respected musician. Give me a freakin break. That’s a lie and it’s a stupid one.”

    You are wrong, LisaB. It is NOT a lie, and I can prove this with ease.

    But first let me establish my bona fides: I’ve been P-Funk fan for more than 30 years. I’m a co-author of the book “George Clinton & P-Funk: An Oral History.”

    And I know how to do a Google search.

    Here is a June 2008 concert review in a Denver alternative paper. A review of a George Clinton concert. The review ends with this tidbit: “By the Way: At one point in the show, Sir Nose held up a ‘Fuck George’ sign.”

    Evidently, it’s a standard part of the show. And it makes sense in a P-Funk context because “Sir Nose” is a cartoon-like character, dating back to 1977, who is an arch enemy of the funk… because he is too cool to dance and get all sweaty and funky.

    (Until the song “Flashlight,” that is, when Sir Nose dances acrobatically and the crowd goes bananas. The enemy is vanquished. He gave up the funk and got down!)

    Now, even as a standard stage antic by this band, does the”F–k George” banner serve the dual purpose of insulting George W. Bush? Likely so.

    Even without such duality of intent, should the band have known better than to indulge in this vulgarity during an inaugural ball? Most certainly.

    But please, LisaB, disabuse yourself of the notion — promulgated by the cultural know-nothings at the Washington Times — that the “F–k George” banner was designed specifically to insult President Bush at this specific event.

    • http://! stodgie

      ubm, bullxxxx! don’t lie to us and expect us to think it is the truth. next! this is boring and so expected! yawn!

      • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

        I provided a hyperlink, stodgie. Kindly click it then scroll to the bottom. Then double-check the date: June 2008.

        Thank you. Next.

        • http://! stodgie

          i don’t need a hyperlink to know you are spreading misinformation.

          • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

            This tr0ll was banned once — and he returns and acts like a bully AGAIN!!!!

            Get this all you mindless tr0lls –

            Your messiah — to us is just a man with a p e n i s — he is a human being and he has made mistakes — and he WILL make mistakes.

            His major mistake is that he is part of the Chicago political machine — his wife is part of that machine as well.

            Your messiah is a narcissist — and thus he is a danger to America.

            I want truth and honesty from the media but we don’t get that from the US media — so we need to come to NQ and other blogs that search for the truth — and the unvarnished facts.

            I could really care less about the color of someone’s skin — what I care about is their character — and Obama is lacking.

            America is in deep doodoo/poop/manure/crap/shit —

            Oh and by the way — your 0bot tr0lls are sexist pigs.

          • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

            Are you trying to get my goat, stoogie? Or are you truly incapable of distinguishing good information from bad?

            (What the hell am I saying? I’ve been reading your comments for months now. I know the answer to my own question.)

            • wodiej

              If this sign really was directed at the leader of the band, what an inappropriate place to do it at with Vets and especially when it could be construed as being aimed at George Bush. Regardless, it’s a crude, vulgar comment appropriate for a skanky club not a Vet gathering.

              • truthtelling007

                “vulgar comment appropriate for a skanky club”

                my how you look down your nose when you talk.
                Skanky club? I’ve seen PFunk in some really nice clubs around the country that wouldn’t appreciate you calling them “skanky”. Might want to loosen that wad up a bit.

                “when it could be construed as being aimed at George Bush.”
                It was aimed at George Bush. Fuck George Bush.

                “what an inappropriate place to do it at with Vets”
                Agreed. But you’ve jumbled so much together, this point gets missed. If you want to make it a point about Vets, then I’d caution against the “skanky” “inappropriate” “vulgar” puritanism that dominates your phrasing.

                As Chief Justice Harlan wrote in the 1971 Supreme Court decision for Cohen V California:
                “For, while the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man’s vulgarity is another’s lyric.”

                Welcome to the same reality I live in, like it or not.

                • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                  “It was aimed at George Bush. Fuck George Bush.”

                  Hey, TT007. I haven’t seen the Mob since probably the late ’90s. I bet I wouldn’t recognize half the band.

                  But as part of the regular act, is it straight-up about George Bush… or are they playing with the double meaning, and never mentioning Bush directly?

                  • truthtelling007

                    seen them enough times to know when it is a double meaning.

                    And I do agree that since the crowd was a bunch of veterans, it would have been considerate to realize some would have been offended, unnecessarily.

                    If I got to a PFunk gig then I can expect crazy things to happen. But to go to an event like this and get the same thing…it is a different thing.

                    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                      Yep.

            • http://! stodgie

              put a sock in it ubm. by the way i don’t call you names on here so can the stoodgie crap. i’ll report you to no quarter in a flash.

              • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                “i’ll report you to no quarter in a flash.”

                You must’ve been the most popular kid on the playground.

                • http://! stodgie

                  actually i was and am. and you? i don’t imagine having a chip on your shouler says play with me on the playground.

            • http://! stodgie

              ubm, you embarrass yourself. keep moving nothing to see here!

    • robert

      It was inappropriate and demeaning behavior any way you look at it. Stop making excuses for your low class, excuse me, working class liberal friends.

      • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

        I ain’t excusing a got-damn thing. Just rectifying a misimpression created by LisaB. (And rectifying it quite elegantly indeed.)

        • http://! stodgie

          give it up ubm, go talk to your mirror. we dont’ belive you and have no reason to trust your judgment. you have a one sided view and it favors the rappers or whoever.

          • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

            Who’s this “we” you refer to? I love it how commenters here sometimes speak for the collective with that haughty “we.”

            I invite all of “we” who want simple clarification regarding the “F–k Bush” sign to read my upthread comment with care, and click the link to prove to yourself that I speak nothing but truth.

            • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

              ^ I meant “F–k George.”

              • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/01/21/VI2009012101557.html?sid=ST2009012101096 trixta

                For the sake of argument, let’s say that UBM’s assessment of the sign is correct — that the sign was part of the act and meant for George Clinton. Does this mean that the targeted audience — the veterans at the ball — would have known this? No. They would conclude that it was meant for GWB. At best, the band knew that this would be taken as such. Lord knows I’m glad GWB is finally gone, but to disrespect the office on inaugural day is very low indeed. This type of behavior reminds me of the many times the Obots booed and jeered at Hillary during the primary season. Obama wallowed in this type of hatred and encouraged it all along.

                • NoBamaNoWay

                  exactly; they *knew* how the sign would be interpreted, and they apparently didn’t have any problem with that, and therefore went ahead with displaying it.

            • C.S.

              I’m not sure who is using “we” in the comments about this sign and this band, but those using “We” in comments here are usually using it in the context of “We the People” as defined in our Declaration of Independence, Preamble to the Constitution or the Constitution. When the Constitution is quoted, it isn’t a “royal we” like Soertoro/Obama uses, it is a collective “we” pertaining to all those citizens covered under our Constitution.

              So considering that most of those commenting are saying “we are not amused by this dissing of our veterans at a government even honoring them”, they seem to have statistics on their side for using “we” when replying to your comments as more share that view than yours.

              • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                Horseshit, but nice try.

                The “we” I encounter here all the time is (as upthread) “We don’t believe you”… or “We can’t stand you”… “We want you gone from this blog”… et cetera.

                It’s commenters speaking like the collective voice of the NQ community. Which is off-base because, as you see, there’s a diversity of opinion here.

            • http://! stodgie

              we refers to the group currently disagreeing with you. are you that stupid? in your rush to try and diss me and others you are making a fool out of yourself AGAIN.

      • truthtelling007

        “Stop making excuses for your low class, excuse me, working class liberal friends.”

        So, low class is “working class”?
        How nice of you to hit working class people as “low class”.

        I agree that PFunk should have considered where they were. I know as much as I believe in “Fuck George” regarding GWBush, I wouldn’t do it at a ball full of military folks because it would clearly isolate a portion of the crowd and leave them feeling left out.

        But don’t associate “working class” with low class unless you’re ready for a class war here. I am happily from the working class of America and there is nothing Low Class about the “working class”. There are some chic elite who fall in the “low class” area you mean.

        Maybe you misspoke, but …sorry, your shit stinks too buddy.

        • Judy L. NC

          I can’t tell you how delighted I am to announce that I have never heard George Clinton”s group play….that I know of. POS’s.

          • truthtelling007

            yet, you just told me how delighted you are?

            ok…well great. That’s you. Good thing this world is bigger than both of us then.

        • http://! stodgie

          truthtelling, you sure do have poor reading skills. the poster was referring to that band as low class. and since you are busy running around no quarter trying to look like the great hero for all mankind, you thought you had a live one hear where you could condemn, pose, and posture. sorry buddy, wrong cause!

  • Thinker

    Didn’t know where to post this, but here goes:

    Does any know if Michelle Obama license to practice law is on Court Ordered Inactive Status??

    Just wondering.

    • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

      There’s a debate about this.

      My opinion — she is too damned cheap & lazy to keep her law license up to date.

      Did she ever really practice law — for real? Did she ever do legal work for the poor? What has she really ever done for others? Comparing her to Hillary Clinton — Mrs. Obama is a lazy, self centered snot — just like 0-zero.

  • WhatNow

    Obama doesn’t look very presidential. He still hasn’t realized that he has a job to do and is waiting for guidance on how to proceed, meanwhile he does what he’s been doing in the past, making general statements and speeches.

    Jay Z is just doing what makes money for him. He’s pandering to the young and foolish. This in turn makes him very rich. Once the young and foolish get a job with responsibility (Obama as an example) one can HOPE that they will grow up and move on from Jay Z.

  • wodiej

    You can put perfume on a skunk, but it is still a SKUNK….

    more disrespectful behavior, not a word from Obama about it. Those who remain silent, advocate the actions.

    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

      Not a word from Obama? Imagine!

      Three days into his Administration, signing executive orders, wrangling with Congress over a stimulus package, continuing to fill out his Cabinet… and the President didn’t make time for a public condemnation of Parliament-Funkadelic?

      The mechanics of Obamaphobia are like anti-Semitism. Jews don’t have to do anything to be despised by anti-Semites; they just have to be.

      Likewise with President Obama. It’s not what he does that disgusts you so; it’s the fact of his existence.

      • http://! stodgie

        ubm why don’t you write a criticism of the rappers who dissed in such a rude fashion on here? waiting??? i hear crickets???? why don’t you diss rev wright for his sermons about damning america? waiting? crickets????????

        and to try and support these entertainers is beyond pathetic. even if they were quote (not dissing george) they should have known better in a setting like that. yeah it is their fault. CAN’T ANYONE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS? ARE WE GOING TO LISTEN TO 4 YEARS OF IT IS YOUR FAULT FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE FACT THE OTHER SIDE CAN ACT LIKE JERKS. IT IS UNAMERICAN TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ACCORDING TO SOME.

        • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

          You need to repair that malfunctioning question-mark key.

          • http://! stodgie

            answer the question. your pathetic attempt at deflection is just that pathetic.

            • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

              Read my original comment. I am simply clarifying a point of fact about that “Fuck George” sign, its ambiguous meaning, and its previous use onstage by George Clinton and the P-Funk All Stars.

              I said that the band should’ve had the good sense and good taste to leave the “Fuck George” sign at home on this night.

              I know you don’t click hyperlinks, stodge… do you also not read the very posts you set about attacking?

              • truthtelling007

                UBM, he isn’t going to hear you say it shouldn’t have happened in that setting. That isn’t a raw bone to chew.

                You really need to see the light that Stodgie is the moral high ground and you need to look up!

                • http://! stodgie

                  thanks ever so much for seeing that i a the light. snark!

                  i don’t have a desire to be the light here. i just want to clean out the written misdirections that occur from time to time.

                  ubm doesn’t hear because of his total absorption in his own issues. don’t fob off on me ubm’s issues on others here. geez, total lack of responsibility.

      • http://! stodgie

        ubm, you are the self hater. don’t try and throw your internal woes on others here. fix them yourself.

      • wodiej

        yes, Obama was so busy signing those executive orders that he didn’t even know what he was signing so he had to ask his lawyer. One of them to let terrorists go free. Wow…so important. I bet you are one of those people waiting on Obama to pay your mortgage and buy you some gas too.

        Where did I say in my post that Obama and his existence disgusts me? NOWHERE. I was talking about the nasty, vulgar rappers. Where was Obama when he walked into a party and Jay Z was singing “99 problems and a bitch ain’t one”?? He wasn’t signing any executive papers then.

        • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

          “Where was Obama when he walked into a party and Jay Z was singing ’99 problems and a bitch ain’t one’??”

          That never happened, wodiej. I debunked that one here a couple of days ago. That rumor started as a gossip item on the NY Post’s Page Six.

          Then Ben Smith at Politico.com tried to confirm it, and he couldn’t. In fact, he found a video on YouTube of Obama walking into the party in question… and a U2 song was playing, not Jay-Z.

          Factual accuracy must be the bedrock of any sound opinion.

    • truthtelling007

      So confusing that you want Obama to show priorities, and police parties too. Anything else you want the government to police just to make sure nobody is offended? You’re beginning to sound like one of them liberals.

      I find it rather interesting how “disrespectful behavior” only counts when you find it disrespectful, but the disrespect is never drawn back to the source of the person who may have lost the respect, ala George W Bush, Dick Cheney or Barack Obama. Is it Obama’s fault that you don’t respect him? Is it George Bush’s fault I don’t respect him?

      “Those who remain silent, advocate the actions.”

      Oh really? Then why didn’t you speak out when my neighbor down the street hit his children last week and almost sent one to the hospital? Why do you advocate his actions?

      • Ex-Democrat

        Obama was quick to police Don Imus’s comments.

        Obama has one standard for whites another for blacks. I think it’s fair to consider him a racist.

      • http://! stodgie

        truthtelling, i see again you are very happy to diss israel, tyical americans. yeah right! but criticize obama? why perish the thought! that is complete bull! obama opened the door with his race baiting. and yeah it is his job to call down those rude self absorbed rappers down. sorry to interrupt your self rigtheous sermon here.

        get off your high horse. you look pathetic up there.

        • truthtelling007

          Criticize Obama all you want. I criticize him. But I don’t want a president running around policing entertainers or musicians.

          Imus? are you back there?

          Sorry, there is a big difference between “nappy headed hos” and “fuck George Bush”…nice conflation there.

          I didn’t diss Israel, I criticized the policies under the current administration. Criticizing action isn’t the same thing as “dissing” a nation unless you are an imbecile.

          “obama opened the door with his race baiting. ”

          That is a red herring.

          and you might want to take a look in your self-righteous mirror bud.

          • http://! stodgie

            obama used race baiting in his campaign. his staff did. jackson jr did. his speakers all did. give it up. you look silly. and yes you are overly self righteous. you could give jerry falwell pointers.

            • truthtelling007

              Yes, and I put hundreds of videos up on his race baiting staff. What point do you wish to make with this? Your comment is a red herring.

              I voted for Clinton in the primaries, brought down Randi Rhodes with Larry and NQ, challenged Obama’s every move, and yet…you want to argue a strawman here?

              Can you form an argument without a strawman? And can you work in a world that doesn’t start with you in its moral center?

              • http://! stodgie

                you brought down randi rhodes? my my but your ego sure does go way beyond your abilities. are you worried that someone is trying to get the moral center you mistakenly think is all yours?

                • truthtelling007

                  Funny they blamed me and Larry, so its their words, not ours. They claimed that me, Larry and Susan were responsible for her getting suspended. GO argue with them.

                  • http://! stodgie

                    truthnonteller, you had absolutely nothing to do with rhodes’ downfall. it was her and and her alone. you are so smug, it is disgusting.

      • wodiej

        It is pointless to use logic w people like you. Just keep excusing the behavior if that makes you feel better about your own.

        Who in the hell said we advocated your neighbor hitting a child? We don’t even live on your street so we wouldn’t know about this. Do you honestly think Obama doesn’t know about all this nasty talk when he sat right there and admitted he listens to Jay Z?

        People like you are what causes others to be held back, remain in poverty and not better themselves. You say you are helping them but really what you are doing is enabling them by excusing their behavior. Do you understand the difference? I doubt it.

        • truthtelling007

          “Who in the hell said we advocated your neighbor hitting a child? We don’t even live on your street so we wouldn’t know about this.”

          You made my point very well. If you don’t know about something…then your silence isn’t advocating. Thank you for making my case.

          You presume that silence from a President about what happens in at an event is his responsibility. You assume he even knows about it.

          This isn’t about defending Obama, this is about the jackass logic some of you guys are laying down here that wants to pin this on someone who probably doesn’t even know about it.

          “People like you are what causes others to be held back, remain in poverty and not better themselves.”

          You don’t know what you are fucking talking about. I have spent 10 years building businesses for people who are getting themselves out of the corporate world and into entrepreneurship.

          I didn’t excuse anyone’s behavior, nice try. I said, clearly there are bigger issues on the table than worrying and policing the “fuck George” shit. So, if you want to sit in the gutter level concerns than others, it’s your problem.

          “all this nasty talk ”
          Yeah, call the White House and get a “nasty talk” commission going. What strong priorities you have.

          “pointless to use logic”
          You wouldn’t know logic if it bit you in the ass.

          • http://! stodgie

            speaking about jackass, i believe you are referring to yourself. go look in a mirror.

            and to excuse a decline in the national discourse says to me you don’t know jack shit about communication. you are too busy using the self righteous ploy to try and push people around on here to get your way in discussion.

            • truthtelling007

              yes, and your repeated ad hominem attack logic is the creme de la creme of rhetoric. You might want to look in the mirror at your won comments before you bark and bleat aobut the “decline in the national discourse”

              • http://! stodgie

                i do look in the mirror. i like what i see. yeah, decline in national discourse. if you don’t see that, then you have more problems than i thought. i almost feel sorry for you.

                • truthtelling007

                  don’t feel sorry for me, your pity is your projection, not reality.

                  • http://! stodgie

                    i almost feel sorry for you. in your rush to write back something, anything, i suppose you failed to see it.

                    you also don’t know my reality. your comments on here indicate to me you don’t care about others’ reality just your own.

                    • truthtelling007

                      “your comments on here indicate to me you don’t care about others’ reality just your own.”

                      Sorry, but that is how I read your comments too. So, do you think it is possible that we can change tact and find a way to come to a rational conversation?

                      SO if you want anything about your reality to be seen, then type it. Endlessly stating:
                      “i almost feel sorry for you. ”
                      “i suppose you failed to see it. ”
                      “you also don’t know my reality”
                      “give it up. you look foolish.”
                      “don’t lie to us and expect us to think it is the truth. next! this is boring and so expected!”
                      “i don’t need a hyperlink to know you are spreading misinformation.”
                      “put a sock in it ubm. by the way i don’t call you names on here so can the stoodgie crap. i’ll report you to no quarter in a flash.”
                      “i don’t imagine having a chip on your shouler says play with me on the playground.”
                      “i do look in the mirror. i like what i see”

                      You haven’t spent a moment testifying to your experience. You spend it blah blahing about “self-righteousness” and other ad hominem comments.

                      And I will honestly look at whether my comments reflect that I want to know about “your reality”. I already know there are people who find “fuck george” to be offensive…we already agreed upon that. Did you acknowledge that? nope. You went for another bone to chew on. So if you want to talk reality and respect, then let us both start showing some. Because I don’t see it coming out of you.

                      Yes, you haven’t called me or UBM names, but you have the closest proxy to it with your other comments.

                      If you want civil discussion instead of this silly shit, then say so and let us both change tact. I’m not here to argue uselessly. And that is what this has become.

                      I am staunch about some things as are you. Great. Lets see if it can become material. What say you?

                    • http://! stodgie

                      silly shit? hmmm, why don’t you post something about the welfare of the average american. show some respect here for the feelings of the people who helped build this country and love the flag and all that goes with it.

                      i see great concern about this group and that group all the while ignoring the so called bitter people clinging to their guns worshipping on sunday who are damn worried about whether they can pay their bills. i worry about them and am sick and tired of seeing people thinking they are special all the while damning their fellow americans and calling them names ranging from ho’s for women to fxxx george. i don’t like bush but i don’t like the attitudes i describe above more than that.

                      so please write with passion about joe sixpack in middle america who is getting screwed. then we can communicate.

          • wodiej

            as I said, it is pointless to use logic w Obots. Have some more Kool Aid.

            • http://! stodgie

              agree wodiej, the sound of crickets. are we surprised?

  • Sassy

    What was the topic?
    Oh yeah!
    To each his own as the saying goes.
    When these rappers groan, hump, and grab their crotch, I see images of cave men!
    I also wonder how many welfare dollars are making these “musicians” wealthy.

    • truthtelling007

      LOL, well said Sassy.
      “What was the topic?”

  • bart

    Those poor girls. Why aren’t we talking about them?

  • Eddie

    Truth Telling is concernced about language regarding “new commander in chief” and apparently old.

    I am not in the military.

    Barack Obama is not my commander in chief. He is the president.

    The Constitution clearly states he is only commander in chief of the military.

    The US is not a junta, yet.

    I honestly don’t care what anyone says about Barack or Bush. I do agree that the sign didn’t belong at a non-partisan event.

    • http://! stodgie

      just as the far right felt they had license and the go ahead to try and push people around, the far left now is going to try same thing with the same results. they’ll be rejected again just like before. been there done that! boring!

  • JozefAL

    Why, exactly, was Clinton and his P-Funk All-Stars playing at the Heroes Ball anyway? Were Kool and the Gang and Earth, Wind and Fire unavailable?
    I mean, Clinton and his P-Funk conglomeration came to the forefront because of a decidedly anti-establishment, anti-white sentiment. Clinton always stated that his music was never intended for white audiences, and if they were offended by some (or all) of the lyrics, then fine. He was also highly critical of Black groups (like Kool & the Gang and EW&F) who reached out to crossover to white audiences, even to the point of developing official “rivalries” with those groups (most often by slamming them in P-Funk lyrics).
    Whose brilliant idea was it to get Clinton and his group for this particular gig? I could understand Clinton signing on for something a bit less “uptight” but this is like having Tim McGraw headline at an NAACP fund-raiser. Sure, he’s a big name, but would anyone really expect the audience to enjoy themselves?

    • http://! stodgie

      jozefAL, yup i wondered that also. it would seem the gig was set up as big fu to the veterans. yeah a night to forget!

    • oowawa

      I’m hesitant to even comment on this, but as they say, “fools rush in . . . .”

      Basically, I agree with you, JozefAL.
      I like George Clinton & Funkadelic & Parliament & Bootsy & that whole era of funk music. I don’t think it was a good choice for the Heroe’s Ball. On the other hand, these groups are not as blatantly offensive as many of the rappers who came after. As far as the F- George routine–not a surprise. Early funk music embodies an ongoing pun-joke between the words funk & f—. It’s everywhere. And, in fact, it could very well have been an intra-band dig at George Clinton. But overall, it was a bad choice of bands to play for that particular ball. This should be the most traditional of all the balls. You wouldn’t want a punk or heavy metal band playing that venue either. There are heroes of all races. Let’s find something everyone is comfortable with. Or so I feel.

    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

      JozefAL: So now Parliament-Funkadelic is an “anti-white” band? Please.

      Funkadelic emerged in 1968 as a hippie-looking rock ‘n’ roll band in Detroit. George has always said of Funkadelic that it was “too black for white radio, too white for black radio.”

      Clinton has never rejected white audiences. Or white musicians either. (Ron Bykowski, Dennis Coffey, Rick Gardner, Larry Fratangelo, Muruga Booker, Danny Bedrosian…)

      Funkadelic used to gig and hang out with the MC5 and Iggy & the Stooges. In fact, George and Iggy Pop once concocted a half-baked publicity stunt whereby they’d announce that George and Iggy were going to marry each other!

      In recent decades, P-Funk has had a major following in Europe, particularly Amsterdam. (Japan too, for that matter.)

      In the 1980s, George declared public (to me, among others) that he thought European funk bands would carry the funk forward. He was a fan of Kajagoogoo, and he collaborated with Thomas Dolby on a few tracks.

      George has also collaborated with the likes of Paul Shaffer and Warren Zevon, and he produced an early album by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

      P-Funk’s anti-”crossover” posture has always been about aesthetics, not race. (Compare Kool & the Gang’s “Ladies Night” to “Funky Stuff” and you’ll know what I’m talking about.)

    • http://www.krismon.blogspot.com Eurasian Sensation

      Jozefal, maybe Clinton was anti-crossover because he suspected mainstream audiences wouldn’t “get” the P-funk sense of humour and interpret things in a reactionary fashion.
      Which would make a lot of sense, judging by the comments from stodgie and the like.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    “Whose brilliant idea was it to get Clinton and his group for this particular gig? … Sure, he’s a big name, but would anyone really expect the audience to enjoy themselves?”

    Well looky here, JozefAL, at what the Army Times reported on Wednesday about the Heroes Red, White and Blue Inaugural Ball:

    “George Clinton brought on rarely seen Sly Stone with his group, and was a big hit with the troops, many of whom flocked forward to the stage.”

    Google is your friend.

  • Zinjanthropus

    Sir Nose-D-void of funk has always been the arch enemy of the various Clinton personalities. His main purpose is explained in his name. He represents jozepal, Stodgie, and those who unthink like them.

    “Pinocchio Theory:
    If you fake the Funk, your nose will grow.
    Thus Sir Nose

    Placebo Syndrome:
    The condition of being terminally unfunky driving humans into perpetual do-loop or deep snooze, fuzzy logic and hatred.
    Thus Fuck George