davis13, newsflash for ya. please see larry’s recent entry, “am i a hillary cheerleader?” he stated that he prefers john edwards. susan for hillary. larry for edwards.

I still hate Clinton, Hillary and Bill.

hate ‘em all you want. just don’t use the “c” word. and now — per susan — the “b” word.

You fools want to put up the worse possible candidate and act like she is the ONLY choice. Screw you morons. The Democrats have been wrong sooooo many times it’s ridiculous.

as will rogers said, “i belong to no organized party. i’m a democrat.” could be worse, could be a rethuglican.

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2007-12-24 15:32:31

Thanks for holding the vigil, Cee.

As for other comments:
“…i was “inside the beltway” during the billary era. one of the first things they did was shove nafta down the union’s throats.”

Which Newt and the repub revolution quickly overturned, no?

No.

In fact NAFTA was left on the table from Bush Sr. that doesn’t make it any less a travesty in terms of what it did to the manufacture industry.

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Mr. Murder, first let me say that over the many months I have richly enjoy your comments. Second, I think we got our wires crossed.

I know NAFTA was left on the table from Bush, Sr. I know that Newtie and da Boys did nothing to overturn it. (Wrt manufacturing: we have been destroying our manufacturing base since the 1970′s.)

My point was that Billary by pushing NAFTA so hard screwed over their base. Quite simply, w/o labor the Clintons would never have left Arkansas. And their actions came back to bite the party in the a*s in ’94 and after. Clinton could have left NAFTA until the next GOP President came along.

Under Bill and Hillary’s stewardship from 1992 to 2000 the party lost:

* 6 Senate seats.
* 46 Congressional seats.
* 9 Governorships.

It’s a f*cking disaster!

Hillary and the Politics of Disappointment

By Paul Rogat Loeb

When Democrats worry about Hillary Clinton’s electability, they focus on her reenergizing a depressed Republican base while demoralizing core Democratic activists, particularly those outraged about the war, and consequently losing the election. But there’s a further danger if Hillary’s nominated–that she will win but then split the Democratic Party.

We forget that this happened with her husband Bill, because compared to Bush, he’s looking awfully good. Much of Hillary’s support may be nostalgia for when America’s president seemed to engage reality instead of disdaining it. But remember that over the course of Clinton’s presidency, the Democrats lost 6 Senate seats, 46 Congressional seats, and 9 governorships. This political bleeding began when Monica Lewinsky was still an Oregon college senior. Given Hillary’s protracted support of the Iraq war, her embrace of neoconservative rhetoric on Iran, and her coziness with powerful corporate interests, she could create a similar backlash once in office, dividing and depressing the Democratic base and reversing the party’s newfound momentum.

Think about 1994. Pundits credited major Republican victories to angry white men, Hillary’s failed healthcare plan, and Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” But the defeat was equally rooted in a massive withdrawal of volunteer support among Democratic activists who felt politically betrayed. Nothing fostered this sense more than Bill Clinton’s going to the mat to push the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Angered by a sense that he was subordinating all other priorities to corporate profits, and by his cavalier attitude toward the hollowing out of America’s industrial base, labor, environmental and social-justice activists nationwide withdrew their energy from Democratic campaigns. This helped swing the election, much as the continued extension of these policies (particularly around dropping trade barriers with China) led just enough Democratic leaning voters in 2000 to help elect George Bush by staying home or voting for Ralph Nader.

http://www.paulloeb.org/articles/HillaryDisappointment.html

Paul Rogat Loeb. Author of “Soul of a Citizen:
Living With Conviction in a Cynical Time.”

Mr. Murder, hope that clears things up. Best.

I voted straight Democratic ticket last election too.

Not one other candidate caught your eye?

Why isn’t pork restricted to humanitian endevours and the commonwealth?

As for Obama, again, you don’t provide any specific reasons that Obama gives you hope. Hope for what, specifically? Hope based on what, specifically? I would LOVE some reason to hope, so provide it, please!

WetHornet is correct. Davis13, you’ve been warned. And that goes for the “b–ch” word too. It’s sexist and immature. One more, and you’re out of here.

Woo hoo! Redstate booted me too. Since Larry’s site has decided to swiftboat anyone for the Democratic nomination that ISN’T Hillary Clinton I don’t care. I give no quarter. I call them how I see them.

I still hate Clinton, Hillary and Bill. Mr and Mrs NAFTA, it takes a village. Nothing you say can make me like her. I voted straight Democratic ticket last election too. I am embarassed by the Democrats choices for president. Kerry “REPORTING FOR DUTY” was about the worse since Dukakkus. Hillary Clinton is another stupid god damned choice from those god damned morons who run the god damned Democratic party. You think they’d learn their lesson, but nooooOOoooo, they have to nominate the queen of politcal mean, the candidate most likely to unite everyone against the Democrats. Leona Helmsly has nothing on Clinton. No way in hell do I want that divisive, braying ass as president. You fools want to put up the worse possible candidate and act like she is the ONLY choice. Screw you morons. The Democrats have been wrong sooooo many times it’s ridiculous. I listen to that woman and it makes me want to wretch. And as far as the union angle? I was a member of the Carpenter’s union too.

I listen to Obama and I have hope. It’s been a loooong time since ANY politician gave me hope.
Hillary Clinton is the worse candidate possible. Half of Democrats hate her already and the rest of the country absolutely dispises her, including me.

1. Obama will lie down in bed with Republicans? 2. Rove would rather go against Obama in the general election….lol….they will choke him out….and Republicans will maintain the White House.

If that is ok with you… then stay in the Dark and vote Obama.

One of my best friends ran for president of her local last year and the (then) president and his minions ran one of the dirtiest tricks campaigns against her I’ve ever seen! She lost by only 19 votes (less than 1%). Which only goes to show that her union needs her kind of vision and leadership. The experience has not at all soured her on unions, but only against the prevailing (self-serving) leadership. I hope she’ll run again next time because I believe she will win.

I can’t look inside Obama’s mind and know what he was really thinking when he made those comments, but someone with his brains should know that running as a Democrat and then going on the warpath against unions, or any groups in the broader labor movement, is political suicide! It’s just dumber than dumb. He set himself up for some ridicule over this one.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2007-12-24 13:17:03

short version: some dentist in kentucky — remember we have lt. col. mike horne running against mitch mcconnell — has an 18 wheel truck he converted into a dental lab and he goes around the hollers of the hills of the bluegrass state providing dentistry.

1 in 10 kentuckians under 65 has no teeth. worst in the nation. next door west virginia is worst in the nation for over 65 years old and teeth. this is just staggering!

downblog i mentioned joe bageant’s “deer hunting w jesus” book. he is talking about sh*t like this; it is one of the 2 or 3 most important books out there.

simply unf*ckingbelievable. and mitt romney doesn’t think there are 2 americas. jesus wept.

In Kentucky’s Teeth, Toll of Poverty and Neglect
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/24/us/24kentucky.html?ref=us

As for other comments:
“…i was “inside the beltway” during the billary era. one of the first things they did was shove nafta down the union’s throats.”

Which Newt and the repub revolution quickly overturned, no?

No.

In fact NAFTA was left on the table from Bush Sr. that doesn’t make it any less a travesty in terms of what it did to the manufacture industry.

Unionists Slam “Hypocritical” Leaders for Anti-Obama Mailer »

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December 21, 2007 02:01 PM

Union members in Illinois and Iowa are denouncing their national leaders as hypocrites for sending out a deceptive campaign mailer aimed this week at Barack Obama. They are livid that the political arm of their 1.4 million member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) financed a mailer to Iowa voters slamming Obama for opposing individual health care mandates – the same sort of mandates long opposed by the union.

“This is definitely hypocritical, absolutely,” said Carter Woodruff,…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

I have a little story about union leadership. Btw, I’m not a union member.

I protested the WTO in Seattle. We marched from their stadium into town.
People were becoming very anxious while waiting for the union leaders to physically get to the front line of the march.
One woman near me was listening to her radio and began to cry as she screamed “Our children are being beaten downtown!”
The hell with waiting. We started on as others tried to block us.
We reached a certain point in town and the so-called leaders directed everyone to go in another direction.
It was only the MEMBERS of the teamsters and longshoremen that headed with us to face the gas and the police.