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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1126251</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria

Obama always has acted like a 3rd Grader. Did you see him &quot;flip-off&quot; Hillary at the State Friday by lifting his midfinger and pretending to &#039;scratch&#039; his face as he was saying &quot;I have an early gift for you--Hillary&quot;!?

The only political kapital Barry has to spend comes out of his middle-schooler&#039;s brain and it the grey matter is not working properly and has become too inflated since he &quot;WON&quot;!  Well, he will brag..kids will be kids. The men of this world have used it for hundreds of years as a playpen and they&#039;re still playing with REAL guns...they haven&#039;t grown up! Hillary offered a grown-up game. So, the ultra-hip, ultra-cool Koolaid Clueless crowd didn&#039;t wanna grown up in charge. They sure got their wish!</description>
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<p>Obama always has acted like a 3rd Grader. Did you see him &#8220;flip-off&#8221; Hillary at the State Friday by lifting his midfinger and pretending to &#8216;scratch&#8217; his face as he was saying &#8220;I have an early gift for you&#8211;Hillary&#8221;!?</p>
<p>The only political kapital Barry has to spend comes out of his middle-schooler&#8217;s brain and it the grey matter is not working properly and has become too inflated since he &#8220;WON&#8221;!  Well, he will brag..kids will be kids. The men of this world have used it for hundreds of years as a playpen and they&#8217;re still playing with REAL guns&#8230;they haven&#8217;t grown up! Hillary offered a grown-up game. So, the ultra-hip, ultra-cool Koolaid Clueless crowd didn&#8217;t wanna grown up in charge. They sure got their wish!</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125907</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BO does things Chicago style; just think of all that lovely stimulus money floating around to line the pockets of BO and his cronies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BO does things Chicago style; just think of all that lovely stimulus money floating around to line the pockets of BO and his cronies.</p>
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		<title>By: athy</title>
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		<dc:creator>athy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPEN THREAD


As if the poor indigent families in Chicago don&#039;t have enough to worry about...

Talk about environmental &quot;IN&quot;Justice...

Check out who is getting most affected by this pollution.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-pcb-zonejan22,0,7312688.story

&lt;strong&gt;Mystery PCB surfaces in Chicago, baffling researchers
Experts say samples in air could come from old paint&lt;/strong&gt;

By Michael Hawthorne &#124; Tribune reporter 
January 22, 2009 

EXCERPTS:
More than three decades after highly toxic PCBs were banned in the United States, an unusual PCB compound has turned up in the air outside several Chicago schools.

Polychlorinated biphenyls are a group of chemicals that once were widely used as coolants and lubricants but were outlawed after studies linked them to cancer, liver and kidney damage and other ailments. 


Hundreds of sites around the nation are contaminated with PCBs, which are known as persistent chemicals because they don&#039;t break down in the environment and can build up in people and animals. PCBs move easily among land, water and air, and scientists know several of the chemicals tend to be present in the air Chicagoans breathe.


As part of a larger project examining PCBs in the Chicago area, Hornbuckle and her colleagues mounted air monitors atop two vans that provide medical services in &lt;strong&gt;low-income neighborhoods&lt;/strong&gt;. Samples were collected &lt;strong&gt;outside nearly 40 schools.&lt;/strong&gt;

The team found concentrations of several PCBs in the air, as expected, but they were surprised to find levels of PCB-11 in virtually every sample.

Most of the schools are in old industrial neighborhoods on the Northwest, West and Southeast Sides. The highest concentrations were found outside Casals Elementary in Humboldt Park and St. Gall Elementary in Gage Park.

Representatives from the Chicago Public Schools and the Chicago archdiocese said they were unaware of the study. Officials at the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency said they would need to conduct more air sampling and review scientific papers about PCB-11 before deciding whether to investigate further.



Read the rest of this very interesting article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPEN THREAD</p>
<p>As if the poor indigent families in Chicago don&#8217;t have enough to worry about&#8230;</p>
<p>Talk about environmental &#8220;IN&#8221;Justice&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out who is getting most affected by this pollution.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-pcb-zonejan22,0,7312688.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-pcb-zonejan22,0,7312688.story</a></p>
<p><strong>Mystery PCB surfaces in Chicago, baffling researchers<br />
Experts say samples in air could come from old paint</strong></p>
<p>By Michael Hawthorne | Tribune reporter<br />
January 22, 2009 </p>
<p>EXCERPTS:<br />
More than three decades after highly toxic PCBs were banned in the United States, an unusual PCB compound has turned up in the air outside several Chicago schools.</p>
<p>Polychlorinated biphenyls are a group of chemicals that once were widely used as coolants and lubricants but were outlawed after studies linked them to cancer, liver and kidney damage and other ailments. </p>
<p>Hundreds of sites around the nation are contaminated with PCBs, which are known as persistent chemicals because they don&#8217;t break down in the environment and can build up in people and animals. PCBs move easily among land, water and air, and scientists know several of the chemicals tend to be present in the air Chicagoans breathe.</p>
<p>As part of a larger project examining PCBs in the Chicago area, Hornbuckle and her colleagues mounted air monitors atop two vans that provide medical services in <strong>low-income neighborhoods</strong>. Samples were collected <strong>outside nearly 40 schools.</strong></p>
<p>The team found concentrations of several PCBs in the air, as expected, but they were surprised to find levels of PCB-11 in virtually every sample.</p>
<p>Most of the schools are in old industrial neighborhoods on the Northwest, West and Southeast Sides. The highest concentrations were found outside Casals Elementary in Humboldt Park and St. Gall Elementary in Gage Park.</p>
<p>Representatives from the Chicago Public Schools and the Chicago archdiocese said they were unaware of the study. Officials at the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency said they would need to conduct more air sampling and review scientific papers about PCB-11 before deciding whether to investigate further.</p>
<p>Read the rest of this very interesting article.</p>
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		<title>By: notfooledbythemedia</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125694</link>
		<dc:creator>notfooledbythemedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, cynic. Your second paragraph sums up our dilemma perfectly. Simple and true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, cynic. Your second paragraph sums up our dilemma perfectly. Simple and true.</p>
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		<title>By: Sassy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125627</link>
		<dc:creator>Sassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, he won!
In this instance, I give the first score to the Republicans.
The Prez now owns 100% of every thing that goes down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, he won!<br />
In this instance, I give the first score to the Republicans.<br />
The Prez now owns 100% of every thing that goes down!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125601</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without Republican votes for cover Obama may or may not have the support to get what he wants. Regardless, go it alone and be solely accountable for the consequences.

We’ll see whether 52% of the American people still agree with him in Nov 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without Republican votes for cover Obama may or may not have the support to get what he wants. Regardless, go it alone and be solely accountable for the consequences.</p>
<p>We’ll see whether 52% of the American people still agree with him in Nov 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: riverplate</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125583</link>
		<dc:creator>riverplate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He is in effect saying, “I am going to risk my current popularity and support in advancing my agenda.”...politicians should never speak of “spending political capital.” It should always be “investing political capital.” And investments should only be undertaken if the prospects of profit are excellent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re saying politicians should only speak of taking risks when there are no risks to speak of. 

That&#039;s not the kind of &quot;leadership&quot; we&#039;ve ever needed...and especially not now.

Gobama, go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is in effect saying, “I am going to risk my current popularity and support in advancing my agenda.”&#8230;politicians should never speak of “spending political capital.” It should always be “investing political capital.” And investments should only be undertaken if the prospects of profit are excellent.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re saying politicians should only speak of taking risks when there are no risks to speak of. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the kind of &#8220;leadership&#8221; we&#8217;ve ever needed&#8230;and especially not now.</p>
<p>Gobama, go.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125581</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicago Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two small minds thinking alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two small minds thinking alike.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125577</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping you&#039;re being facetious?  It&#039;s so hard to tell when you can&#039;t see someone&#039;s face as they&#039;re typing!

  Oprah did a very heart wrending story on minimum wage a few years back that caused me to never watch Oprah again.  It is beyond infantile to appeal to people&#039;s hearts with sad stories of families who survive on minimum wage and extend that notion to support an increase in minimum wage.  What bugs the crap out of me is that no one ever follows their logic long enough to realize that raising the minimum wage would result in a net loss of jobs or a net increase in prices.   If you double the minimum wage, businesses either have to raise their prices, or reduce the work force.  It&#039;s just like if you raise taxes on a business -- the money has to come from somewhere, and it will be either higher prices, or workforce reduction.  Also, I never have gotten the idea of why we need a NATIONAL minimum wage.  As you travel around the country, a dollar is not a dollar everywhere.  It costs more to live in NY City than it does in Kalamazoo, so why would one minimum wage work?  Also, as free people, we need to get back to the idea that businesses should be allowed to set their wages, and people should be free to reject working at that business if the wages are not acceptable.  That also incents the individual to increase their skill level so that they have choices in employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re being facetious?  It&#8217;s so hard to tell when you can&#8217;t see someone&#8217;s face as they&#8217;re typing!</p>
<p>  Oprah did a very heart wrending story on minimum wage a few years back that caused me to never watch Oprah again.  It is beyond infantile to appeal to people&#8217;s hearts with sad stories of families who survive on minimum wage and extend that notion to support an increase in minimum wage.  What bugs the crap out of me is that no one ever follows their logic long enough to realize that raising the minimum wage would result in a net loss of jobs or a net increase in prices.   If you double the minimum wage, businesses either have to raise their prices, or reduce the work force.  It&#8217;s just like if you raise taxes on a business &#8212; the money has to come from somewhere, and it will be either higher prices, or workforce reduction.  Also, I never have gotten the idea of why we need a NATIONAL minimum wage.  As you travel around the country, a dollar is not a dollar everywhere.  It costs more to live in NY City than it does in Kalamazoo, so why would one minimum wage work?  Also, as free people, we need to get back to the idea that businesses should be allowed to set their wages, and people should be free to reject working at that business if the wages are not acceptable.  That also incents the individual to increase their skill level so that they have choices in employment.</p>
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		<title>By: PamFlorida</title>
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		<dc:creator>PamFlorida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Contraceptives might help if people on welfare would use them instead of having a bunch of illegitimate kids they can’t take care of.&quot;
Wodiej-That&#039;s incorrect and not fair to those on welfare. My observation is that an alarming number of middle class girls 16-25 are getting pregnant.
Your other point is well taken. Poor and low income people will not stimulate the economy if BO gives them a check. It will be used to pay for food, gas, electricity, etc. These people will not be going to the mall or Starbuck&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Contraceptives might help if people on welfare would use them instead of having a bunch of illegitimate kids they can’t take care of.&#8221;<br />
Wodiej-That&#8217;s incorrect and not fair to those on welfare. My observation is that an alarming number of middle class girls 16-25 are getting pregnant.<br />
Your other point is well taken. Poor and low income people will not stimulate the economy if BO gives them a check. It will be used to pay for food, gas, electricity, etc. These people will not be going to the mall or Starbuck&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: dee1153</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125545</link>
		<dc:creator>dee1153</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, AnnieCollier. I plan on voting the exact same way. The only way I&#039;ll vote Dem is if it has the name Clinton on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, AnnieCollier. I plan on voting the exact same way. The only way I&#8217;ll vote Dem is if it has the name Clinton on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: lizpolaris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12088/i-won-open-thread/#comment-1125526</link>
		<dc:creator>lizpolaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you point out, maybe Obama should be doing more to tax the rich.

However, let&#039;s applaud a good thing when it happens.  The R&#039;s will whine whatever the plan is isn&#039;t Republican enough and he pretty much told them to shut up.  That&#039;s a good thing.  He&#039;s got to start somewhere in pushing back.  I&#039;m surprised he did at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you point out, maybe Obama should be doing more to tax the rich.</p>
<p>However, let&#8217;s applaud a good thing when it happens.  The R&#8217;s will whine whatever the plan is isn&#8217;t Republican enough and he pretty much told them to shut up.  That&#8217;s a good thing.  He&#8217;s got to start somewhere in pushing back.  I&#8217;m surprised he did at all.</p>
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		<title>By: lizpolaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizpolaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that Obama statement!  Frankly, I didn&#039;t think he had it in him.  I figured he&#039;d be cringing to the right-wingers constantly and being backed into corners by starting out with positions which were too far to the center.

I forgot his intrinsic arrogance!  In this case, he used it well.  Knock back that whining from the far right!  You go, President!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that Obama statement!  Frankly, I didn&#8217;t think he had it in him.  I figured he&#8217;d be cringing to the right-wingers constantly and being backed into corners by starting out with positions which were too far to the center.</p>
<p>I forgot his intrinsic arrogance!  In this case, he used it well.  Knock back that whining from the far right!  You go, President!</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, this is a circular argument. These problems didn&#039;t arise because people aren&#039;t buying. They aren&#039;t buying since so many jobs have been lost and so many savings and retirement accounts have been decimated by the stock market. This may be a simplistic idea, but when you&#039;re in debt, to borrow more money at a higher interest rate to pay the interest on the first loan, you&#039;re just digging a deeper hole and this money will be borrowed since the alternative is to just print more and devalue the dollar. I have not heard a single economist, even Obama&#039;s advisers, who have said definitively this stimulus package will impact the economy in a positive way. The Bear Sterns bailout was supposed to prevent the failure of other banks and it didn&#039;t work. Two checks have already been sent to taxpayers to stimulate the economy and they didn&#039;t work. The bailouts were supposed to stop forclosures, but that&#039;s not where the money went and Obama doesn&#039;t have a plan in place to change that either. He will go ahead with his other plans, because as he said he won, but what happens if it fails?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, this is a circular argument. These problems didn&#8217;t arise because people aren&#8217;t buying. They aren&#8217;t buying since so many jobs have been lost and so many savings and retirement accounts have been decimated by the stock market. This may be a simplistic idea, but when you&#8217;re in debt, to borrow more money at a higher interest rate to pay the interest on the first loan, you&#8217;re just digging a deeper hole and this money will be borrowed since the alternative is to just print more and devalue the dollar. I have not heard a single economist, even Obama&#8217;s advisers, who have said definitively this stimulus package will impact the economy in a positive way. The Bear Sterns bailout was supposed to prevent the failure of other banks and it didn&#8217;t work. Two checks have already been sent to taxpayers to stimulate the economy and they didn&#8217;t work. The bailouts were supposed to stop forclosures, but that&#8217;s not where the money went and Obama doesn&#8217;t have a plan in place to change that either. He will go ahead with his other plans, because as he said he won, but what happens if it fails?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans rejected Bush? Didn&#039;t he just complete his second term in office? 

Come to think of it, though, more Democrats voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries last year than 0. I guess elections aren&#039;t considered a reliable indicator any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans rejected Bush? Didn&#8217;t he just complete his second term in office? </p>
<p>Come to think of it, though, more Democrats voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries last year than 0. I guess elections aren&#8217;t considered a reliable indicator any more.</p>
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