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		<title>By: mescane</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1780</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 4MOREWARS</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>4MOREWARS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIGN THE PETITION TO TERMINATE THE BILL OF RIGHTS

Remember the europeans who first settled america?  Do you recall they would build a fortress to defend themselves against the terrorists?  In the process, cutting all of the trees around that fortress, leaving the native american terrorists no tree to hide behind.  My analogy is simple.  If terrorists persist in hiding behind the articles of the Bill of Rights, which of these ten will you surrender to keep your children safe?  How can we in good conscience let them stand, and let those who would harm us hide behind them?  Which of the ten will you sacrifice to protect your children?  
Let the word go out, there will be no Bill of Rights for terrorists to hide behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIGN THE PETITION TO TERMINATE THE BILL OF RIGHTS</p>
<p>Remember the europeans who first settled america?  Do you recall they would build a fortress to defend themselves against the terrorists?  In the process, cutting all of the trees around that fortress, leaving the native american terrorists no tree to hide behind.  My analogy is simple.  If terrorists persist in hiding behind the articles of the Bill of Rights, which of these ten will you surrender to keep your children safe?  How can we in good conscience let them stand, and let those who would harm us hide behind them?  Which of the ten will you sacrifice to protect your children?<br />
Let the word go out, there will be no Bill of Rights for terrorists to hide behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Arnett</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Arnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether congress can deal with Bushco&#039;s usurpation of our Constitution remains to be seen. Given Rethuglican control of the House of Unrepentant and the Seenot it is doubtful.

I therefore have an idea for you: We know that the NSA is conducting an illegal operation to spy on Americans using sophisticated &quot;recognition&quot; software to lock onto calls or emails containing certain key words. Data mining. 

The only way any citizen can combat an illegal program such as this is by civil disobedience, SO IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL AMERICANS, COUNTRY-WIDE, BEGAN USING TRIGGER WORDS IN EVERY TELEPHONE CALL THEY MAKE OR RECEIVE? The system would soon be overwhelmed by far too many &quot;hits&quot; for them all (or perhaps ANY) of them to be further investigated, potentially destroying the usefulness of the illegal program.

So what if every liberal blog, or any others believing Bushco has gone too far, asked ALL THE VISITORS to their site to include certain trigger words IN EVERY CONVERSATION THEY HAVE WITH ANYONE.

You know, words like: Osama bin Laden, jihad, dirty bomb, nuclear material, anthrax, chemical weapons, Zarqawi, Allah akbar, infidels, Iran mullahs, and everything else the readers could come up with. Perhaps even run a contest for your readers to add to the probable list that would &quot;flag&quot; their number for further investigation. The sheer numbers, if we could pull this off, would render it impossible or impractical for the program to continue.

I am sick of our Imperial President and his constant violations of the law and the erosion of my civil rights. It is time, in my opinion, to demonstrate to Bushco that this IS a government by, for, and of the People. This could perhaps be engineered into the greatest single act of civil disobedience in history.

What do you think? Do we stand by and gripe, or do we take action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether congress can deal with Bushco&#8217;s usurpation of our Constitution remains to be seen. Given Rethuglican control of the House of Unrepentant and the Seenot it is doubtful.</p>
<p>I therefore have an idea for you: We know that the NSA is conducting an illegal operation to spy on Americans using sophisticated &#8220;recognition&#8221; software to lock onto calls or emails containing certain key words. Data mining. </p>
<p>The only way any citizen can combat an illegal program such as this is by civil disobedience, SO IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL AMERICANS, COUNTRY-WIDE, BEGAN USING TRIGGER WORDS IN EVERY TELEPHONE CALL THEY MAKE OR RECEIVE? The system would soon be overwhelmed by far too many &#8220;hits&#8221; for them all (or perhaps ANY) of them to be further investigated, potentially destroying the usefulness of the illegal program.</p>
<p>So what if every liberal blog, or any others believing Bushco has gone too far, asked ALL THE VISITORS to their site to include certain trigger words IN EVERY CONVERSATION THEY HAVE WITH ANYONE.</p>
<p>You know, words like: Osama bin Laden, jihad, dirty bomb, nuclear material, anthrax, chemical weapons, Zarqawi, Allah akbar, infidels, Iran mullahs, and everything else the readers could come up with. Perhaps even run a contest for your readers to add to the probable list that would &#8220;flag&#8221; their number for further investigation. The sheer numbers, if we could pull this off, would render it impossible or impractical for the program to continue.</p>
<p>I am sick of our Imperial President and his constant violations of the law and the erosion of my civil rights. It is time, in my opinion, to demonstrate to Bushco that this IS a government by, for, and of the People. This could perhaps be engineered into the greatest single act of civil disobedience in history.</p>
<p>What do you think? Do we stand by and gripe, or do we take action?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, when the Bush administration had the ability to use electronic surveillance legally via the FISA law, their outrage over the disclosure of unwarranted surveillance is a BIG RED FLAG.  They &quot;doth protest too much&quot;, as the saying goes. 

Richard M. Nixon attempted to use the red herring of national security to spy on political opponents and peace activists.  Why should we believe that Bush and Cheney aren&#039;t doing the same?  THAT&#039;S the reason why we have the FISA law in the first place, to ensure that at least some third-party oversight exists. 

Bush and Cheney, by their own admission, have engaged in activity in violation of the law.  They must be held accountable. To let them get away with this is to invite a very grave outlook for our future as a nation.  They seem to believe that they are not accountable to us, the people for whom they serve. If we don&#039;t hold them accountable, no one will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, when the Bush administration had the ability to use electronic surveillance legally via the FISA law, their outrage over the disclosure of unwarranted surveillance is a BIG RED FLAG.  They &#8220;doth protest too much&#8221;, as the saying goes. </p>
<p>Richard M. Nixon attempted to use the red herring of national security to spy on political opponents and peace activists.  Why should we believe that Bush and Cheney aren&#8217;t doing the same?  THAT&#8217;S the reason why we have the FISA law in the first place, to ensure that at least some third-party oversight exists. </p>
<p>Bush and Cheney, by their own admission, have engaged in activity in violation of the law.  They must be held accountable. To let them get away with this is to invite a very grave outlook for our future as a nation.  They seem to believe that they are not accountable to us, the people for whom they serve. If we don&#8217;t hold them accountable, no one will.</p>
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		<title>By: JDRipper</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1776</link>
		<dc:creator>JDRipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d mention the original meaning of Shrub&#039;s favourite word: Dictator.

During the Roman republican era, a dictator was one who assumed all powers, military and political, during a state emergency, like a war.  He had all the senate&#039;s power, too, and they actually assigned their duties and privileges to him.  He could enact or abrogate laws by fiat.

Any one who has had even a freshman college course should know that the founding fathers intended to avoid dictators -- that congress and the courts are never to be allowed to abrogate their powers to any executive, no matter the crisis, or danger to the US.

The most famous Roman dictator was Julius Caesar.  The second most famous was his nephew, Octavius  -- now better known as Augustus, the first emperor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d mention the original meaning of Shrub&#8217;s favourite word: Dictator.</p>
<p>During the Roman republican era, a dictator was one who assumed all powers, military and political, during a state emergency, like a war.  He had all the senate&#8217;s power, too, and they actually assigned their duties and privileges to him.  He could enact or abrogate laws by fiat.</p>
<p>Any one who has had even a freshman college course should know that the founding fathers intended to avoid dictators &#8212; that congress and the courts are never to be allowed to abrogate their powers to any executive, no matter the crisis, or danger to the US.</p>
<p>The most famous Roman dictator was Julius Caesar.  The second most famous was his nephew, Octavius  &#8212; now better known as Augustus, the first emperor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sometime-CIA-Defender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sometime-CIA-Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, as usual.  I&#039;d add that saying, &quot;We need to know who they&#039;re talking to and what they&#039;re talking about&quot; is a red herring or straw man as well.  That was not the issue and no one suggests we shouldn&#039;t be trying to listen to terrorists; circumventing the court was the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, as usual.  I&#8217;d add that saying, &#8220;We need to know who they&#8217;re talking to and what they&#8217;re talking about&#8221; is a red herring or straw man as well.  That was not the issue and no one suggests we shouldn&#8217;t be trying to listen to terrorists; circumventing the court was the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: JimB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,
I&#039;m sorry if this is a little off-topic, but I thought you&#039;d be a good one to ask. I was under the impression that the Larry Franklin (and Rosen and Weissman) trial was supposed to start today and I can&#039;t find any recent mention of it anywhere. I think it has the potential to blow the lid off of WHIG and OSP operations, and open up a whole new dimension to Fizgerald&#039;s investigation, too. It would be a hell of a way to start off the new year. Any idea what&#039;s happening with this? Did it get postponed? I know it was scheduled for today in the Alexandria U.S. District Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,<br />
I&#8217;m sorry if this is a little off-topic, but I thought you&#8217;d be a good one to ask. I was under the impression that the Larry Franklin (and Rosen and Weissman) trial was supposed to start today and I can&#8217;t find any recent mention of it anywhere. I think it has the potential to blow the lid off of WHIG and OSP operations, and open up a whole new dimension to Fizgerald&#8217;s investigation, too. It would be a hell of a way to start off the new year. Any idea what&#8217;s happening with this? Did it get postponed? I know it was scheduled for today in the Alexandria U.S. District Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaking national security re: Pakistan&#039;s AQ Khan oversight to score political points takes new light when this fact is placed alongside your other post about the window of opportunity given to Al Qaeda to escape the Tora Bora in a flight corridor.

It also shows how Osama escaped retaliation the previous time when cruise missiles were sent his way. Friends within the ISI must have passed the word to him.

The again I&#039;m told Khadaffhi was taking a leak(other kind of leak) or would have been nailed in his tent back in the day... it could be coincidence but most likely wasn&#039;t in light of the need to talk in traditional channels for air space clearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaking national security re: Pakistan&#8217;s AQ Khan oversight to score political points takes new light when this fact is placed alongside your other post about the window of opportunity given to Al Qaeda to escape the Tora Bora in a flight corridor.</p>
<p>It also shows how Osama escaped retaliation the previous time when cruise missiles were sent his way. Friends within the ISI must have passed the word to him.</p>
<p>The again I&#8217;m told Khadaffhi was taking a leak(other kind of leak) or would have been nailed in his tent back in the day&#8230; it could be coincidence but most likely wasn&#8217;t in light of the need to talk in traditional channels for air space clearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me Liberty, or give me wiretaps?

Larry they would certainly never talk of such over lines. One would easily suspect they would take stories which are longstanding within the historical narrative, or popular culture references, or even traditional writings and denote a value to them as a symbnol.

By cutting staff Bush removes the chance to do backtracking of previously overlooked/discarded info that in retrospect could deliver key insights in to codes used to denote times, locations, codes, etc.

Even a grand prosaic style such the words of Gibran in symbol as he was a rishly worded Moslem man who wrote elegaic of the East and West with established reference to both spheres of influence.

Just my two cents.

By the way, did Richard Clarke write his first public address after 9-11? One would suspect a man of his ability to have worded its introduction. The lead lacked the usual explicit harsh tones and referenced Gibran&#039;s words for the purpose of furthering understanding between the two distinct cultures.

Too bad that first step and the world&#039;s good will was sacrificed for political expediencey into a the rhetoric of character assassination...

Again something better to ask Mr.Clarke for certain but it just hints of someone with the grasp of complex influence that is missing from the present putsch of pundit talking points.

They don&#039;t really want people to see what was leaked by whoever did. Nobody on the inside does this without a smoking gun to use as their ace in the hole. 

Cheney would hate to see someone use the Ace in the Spider Hole to show the extent to which AWOL obfiscated the original stated purpose.

By the way the gov&#039;t just released a slander of Katrina victims and says they&#039;re relocations were not vetted with law enforcement for criminal prolifing/screening, the appearent claim is that sex offenders may be receiving grants and given new communities in which to trespass.

Can George Bush&#039;s people do anything right? Aside from place guitars in his hand while a city drowns, fail to make sure he&#039;s briefed of attacks on american soil, or keep him from falling off his bike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me Liberty, or give me wiretaps?</p>
<p>Larry they would certainly never talk of such over lines. One would easily suspect they would take stories which are longstanding within the historical narrative, or popular culture references, or even traditional writings and denote a value to them as a symbnol.</p>
<p>By cutting staff Bush removes the chance to do backtracking of previously overlooked/discarded info that in retrospect could deliver key insights in to codes used to denote times, locations, codes, etc.</p>
<p>Even a grand prosaic style such the words of Gibran in symbol as he was a rishly worded Moslem man who wrote elegaic of the East and West with established reference to both spheres of influence.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
<p>By the way, did Richard Clarke write his first public address after 9-11? One would suspect a man of his ability to have worded its introduction. The lead lacked the usual explicit harsh tones and referenced Gibran&#8217;s words for the purpose of furthering understanding between the two distinct cultures.</p>
<p>Too bad that first step and the world&#8217;s good will was sacrificed for political expediencey into a the rhetoric of character assassination&#8230;</p>
<p>Again something better to ask Mr.Clarke for certain but it just hints of someone with the grasp of complex influence that is missing from the present putsch of pundit talking points.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t really want people to see what was leaked by whoever did. Nobody on the inside does this without a smoking gun to use as their ace in the hole. </p>
<p>Cheney would hate to see someone use the Ace in the Spider Hole to show the extent to which AWOL obfiscated the original stated purpose.</p>
<p>By the way the gov&#8217;t just released a slander of Katrina victims and says they&#8217;re relocations were not vetted with law enforcement for criminal prolifing/screening, the appearent claim is that sex offenders may be receiving grants and given new communities in which to trespass.</p>
<p>Can George Bush&#8217;s people do anything right? Aside from place guitars in his hand while a city drowns, fail to make sure he&#8217;s briefed of attacks on american soil, or keep him from falling off his bike?</p>
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		<title>By: phinky</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope that Bush cannot spin his way out of this one.</description>
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		<title>By: Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one&#039;s gonna be real interesting. Unlike other Bush scandals, there are no facts in dispute here. Hell, Bush admits he did it. Looks to me like it&#039;s headed to the SC...not a reassuring thought. Maybe Congress will do the right thing, you never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one&#8217;s gonna be real interesting. Unlike other Bush scandals, there are no facts in dispute here. Hell, Bush admits he did it. Looks to me like it&#8217;s headed to the SC&#8230;not a reassuring thought. Maybe Congress will do the right thing, you never know.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/121/the-national-security-red-herring/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

it&#039;s a sad state of affairs when a sitting president and his staff can &#039;leak&#039; [compromise an intel asset&#039;s name intentionally for presidential political hackery purposes] causing &#039;extremely grave damage&#039; to our national security, and congress seemingly lets him off the hook.  according to the definition of &#039;treason&#039;, such actions by the president and his staff meet its definition -- a betrayal of trust.  and if that&#039;s not an impeachable and jailing offense, what is?

now that bush&#039;s law-breaking and his flagrant abrogation of his oath of office are out in the open, will congress once again let him off the hook, or will the do their constitutional duty and - impeach, remove from office, and criminally prosecute.  stick bush where he belongs -- in a federal jail cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a sad state of affairs when a sitting president and his staff can &#8216;leak&#8217; [compromise an intel asset's name intentionally for presidential political hackery purposes] causing &#8216;extremely grave damage&#8217; to our national security, and congress seemingly lets him off the hook.  according to the definition of &#8216;treason&#8217;, such actions by the president and his staff meet its definition &#8212; a betrayal of trust.  and if that&#8217;s not an impeachable and jailing offense, what is?</p>
<p>now that bush&#8217;s law-breaking and his flagrant abrogation of his oath of office are out in the open, will congress once again let him off the hook, or will the do their constitutional duty and &#8211; impeach, remove from office, and criminally prosecute.  stick bush where he belongs &#8212; in a federal jail cell.</p>
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