Comments on: Welcome to the Big Show http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/ Thu, 24 May 2012 06:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Lizzy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126916 Lizzy Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:54:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126916 I am waiting for our new Senator to get the Palin treatment from the media. We may have to be prepared to give her strong support. I was outraged that CK was suggested for Hilary's seat. From what I have read Gillibrand is pro woman and pro choice. She has experience as a lawyer for financial firms and very good instincts for fund raising. Given what we have seen of the graft and corruption of Obama's Chicago politics it will be good to have someone as our senator with a financial background. I am waiting for our new Senator to get the Palin treatment from the media. We may have to be prepared to give her strong support. I was outraged that CK was suggested for Hilary’s seat. From what I have read Gillibrand is pro woman and pro choice. She has experience as a lawyer for financial firms and very good instincts for fund raising. Given what we have seen of the graft and corruption of Obama’s Chicago politics it will be good to have someone as our senator with a financial background.

]]> By: fif http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126780 fif Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:52:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126780 Maureen Dowd is furious because Caroline was not chosen, and did a hit job on Gillibrand today. Nuff said? Maureen Dowd is furious because Caroline was not chosen, and did a hit job on Gillibrand today. Nuff said?

]]> By: fif http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126777 fif Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:48:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126777 Guess what? NY is a huge state, and does not consist just of NYC interests. There is such an arrogance by city dwellers, that their interests and needs are the only concern for representatives. I live in Gillibrand's district, and she listened carefully to many conservative voters' preferences, and voted with intelligence and deliberation to please the people she serves, and in many cases, according to her conscience--and AGAINST political expediency. I welcome her independence, principles and strength. Now, we will see how she adapts as a representative for the entire state. She is no neophyte--she was raised on Albany politics. She has angered Spitzer for her defense of small state hospital budgets when he wanted to cut them, and Pelosi for her insistence on more accountability for the bail-out. Why is gun-control suddenly the only issue of merit? Give her a chance. She was re-elected by 65% up here for a reason. She's authentic--and God knows we need more of that! Guess what? NY is a huge state, and does not consist just of NYC interests. There is such an arrogance by city dwellers, that their interests and needs are the only concern for representatives. I live in Gillibrand’s district, and she listened carefully to many conservative voters’ preferences, and voted with intelligence and deliberation to please the people she serves, and in many cases, according to her conscience–and AGAINST political expediency. I welcome her independence, principles and strength. Now, we will see how she adapts as a representative for the entire state. She is no neophyte–she was raised on Albany politics. She has angered Spitzer for her defense of small state hospital budgets when he wanted to cut them, and Pelosi for her insistence on more accountability for the bail-out. Why is gun-control suddenly the only issue of merit? Give her a chance. She was re-elected by 65% up here for a reason. She’s authentic–and God knows we need more of that!

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126729 foxyladi14 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:10:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126729 HILLARY supports her..that is good enough for me.. HILLARY supports her..that is good enough for me..

]]> By: mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126674 mary Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:00:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126674 Kirsten Gillebrand attributes her passion for politics (and women's issues-- she gave free legal counsel to abused women in shelters) to her grandmother Dorothea 'Polly' Noonan who was active in the Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy Committee and helped her stuff envelopes. Kirsten got a standing ovation for working right up to the last day of her pregnancy! Hillary refers to her as "personal friend". She's got smarts, chutzpah and cares for women's issues and children. Give her a chance.... Kirsten Gillebrand attributes her passion for politics (and women’s issues– she gave free legal counsel to abused women in shelters) to her grandmother Dorothea ‘Polly’ Noonan who was active in the Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy Committee and helped her stuff envelopes. Kirsten got a standing ovation for working right up to the last day of her pregnancy! Hillary refers to her as “personal friend”. She’s got smarts, chutzpah and cares for women’s issues and children. Give her a chance….

]]> By: and http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126615 and Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:46:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126615 There are those who cite their personal experience as the grounds for their position: those that have been the victims of a crime that involved a gun where their loved one was killed, and those who have been the victims of a crime that involved a gun where their one's life was saved. Which personal experience bestows more support to which position? Rational inquiry hasn't a chance in hell when sentiment has more sway -people employing reason to justify what they already believe instead of being lead by reason. There are those who cite their personal experience as the grounds for their position: those that have been the victims of a crime that involved a gun where their loved one was killed, and those who have been the victims of a crime that involved a gun where their one’s life was saved. Which personal experience bestows more support to which position? Rational inquiry hasn’t a chance in hell when sentiment has more sway -people employing reason to justify what they already believe instead of being lead by reason.

]]> By: Mountain Girl http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126436 Mountain Girl Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:17:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126436 I'm thrilled with the Gillibrand. I do not own a gun, probably never would, but I support the second amendment and the right to bear arms. I will oppose any control measures. Without guns, the people have no recourse. I feel the Usurper is a fascist and people need to be able to protect themselves from our government. That's what the right to bear arms is all about; it has nothing to do with hunting. Aside from that, I do not think it is the most important issue to judge someone one...really. Are they going to assassinate Gillibrand in the same way the slandered and demeaned Palin? I’m thrilled with the Gillibrand. I do not own a gun, probably never would, but I support the second amendment and the right to bear arms. I will oppose any control measures. Without guns, the people have no recourse. I feel the Usurper is a fascist and people need to be able to protect themselves from our government. That’s what the right to bear arms is all about; it has nothing to do with hunting. Aside from that, I do not think it is the most important issue to judge someone one…really. Are they going to assassinate Gillibrand in the same way the slandered and demeaned Palin?

]]> By: Nobamadem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126435 Nobamadem Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:14:30 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126435 I am thrilled with the appointment of our new NY senator. I am against gun control and frankly am tired of the NY City crew that holds undue influence (finanacial and political)on the entire state. In fact I would love to split the state and let NY City be on it's own. The cost to the entire state for the medicaid and welfare rolls of NY City is overwhelming. My upstate property taxes are horrendous. Upstate is more like the midwest and NYC has all the characteristics of bankrupt Detroit. Hopefully Gillibrand will represent our values. I am thrilled with the appointment of our new NY senator. I am against gun control and frankly am tired of the NY City crew that holds undue influence (finanacial and political)on the entire state. In fact I would love to split the state and let NY City be on it’s own. The cost to the entire state for the medicaid and welfare rolls of NY City is overwhelming. My upstate property taxes are horrendous. Upstate is more like the midwest and NYC has all the characteristics of bankrupt Detroit.
Hopefully Gillibrand will represent our values.

]]> By: Jay L http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126419 Jay L Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:52:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126419 Before I brought Congresswoman McCarthy in to my post I did some reading, The Times & Newsday here in NY as well as watching a few of the local TV stations here Friday night and Saturday morning. When using google to find to find some quotes to put in to this post the only one that seemed worth putting in was from the Washington Post. Believe me, when I put something together here I do not only go from one source, it is just I can't quote or link everything. Before I brought Congresswoman McCarthy in to my post I did some reading, The Times & Newsday here in NY as well as watching a few of the local TV stations here Friday night and Saturday morning.

When using google to find to find some quotes to put in to this post the only one that seemed worth putting in was from the Washington Post.

Believe me, when I put something together here I do not only go from one source, it is just I can’t quote or link everything.

]]> By: Jay L http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126416 Jay L Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:48:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126416 Ani, Thanks for the back up. Andrew, Let me clarify my position/opinion here. I did not know <strong>anything</strong> about my new Senator and the first views that came out about her were the stance on guns and gun control. As I stated I am very anti-gun. In doing some additional reading there are other issues immigration, financial that I need to look in to more so I can make an intelligent choice when it comes to my future support and my vote in the special election next year. The point is that there are many here in NY that are not happy with the choice and it goes beyond the Kennedy issue. It has been a rough couple of years for those governing my state. We have had both a Governor and State Comptroller resign. Andrew Cuomo who was under consideration and had plenty of support if you believe the polls stated he did not want the job because he did not want the people of NY to have a state wide slate of non-elected/appointed officials. Now wether that is true or not or if he is holding out for a shot at the Governor's mansion is another story. My gut feeling that this choice was more about state-wide ticket balance, putting a woman on the ticket and someone from the upstate areas, than on views. I am looking forward to seeing her with Hillary today. They have an "event" scheduled in Manhattan. I don't know if she will be a good Senator or good for NY state. I will keep an open mind and...I will be watching. Jay Ani,

Thanks for the back up.

Andrew,

Let me clarify my position/opinion here. I did not know anything about my new Senator and the first views that came out about her were the stance on guns and gun control. As I stated I am very anti-gun. In doing some additional reading there are other issues immigration, financial that I need to look in to more so I can make an intelligent choice when it comes to my future support and my vote in the special election next year.

The point is that there are many here in NY that are not happy with the choice and it goes beyond the Kennedy issue. It has been a rough couple of years for those governing my state. We have had both a Governor and State Comptroller resign. Andrew Cuomo who was under consideration and had plenty of support if you believe the polls stated he did not want the job because he did not want the people of NY to have a state wide slate of non-elected/appointed officials. Now wether that is true or not or if he is holding out for a shot at the Governor’s mansion is another story.

My gut feeling that this choice was more about state-wide ticket balance, putting a woman on the ticket and someone from the upstate areas, than on views.

I am looking forward to seeing her with Hillary today. They have an “event” scheduled in Manhattan.

I don’t know if she will be a good Senator or good for NY state. I will keep an open mind and…I will be watching.

Jay

]]> By: Arabella Trefoil http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126386 Arabella Trefoil Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:08:37 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126386 I think Governor Paterson made the right choice. I look forward to working with Senator Gillibrand and helping her get to know my neighbors. She will be a great Senator who will do us proud. She's tough, smart and energetic. I think Governor Paterson made the right choice. I look forward to working with Senator Gillibrand and helping her get to know my neighbors. She will be a great Senator who will do us proud. She’s tough, smart and energetic.

]]> By: sarainitaly http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126378 sarainitaly Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126378 I only found one bill involving guns on her voting record, and it was this one, sponsored by two Democrats, and passed 266 - 152 HR 6842: Repealing Portions of the D.C. Firearm Ban Issues: Federal, State, and Local Relations, Gun Issues Date: 09/17/2008 Sponsor: Rep. Norton, Eleanor (D-DC) Cosponsor: Rep. Waxman, Henry (D-CA) House Passage: 09/17/2008 : Bill Passed 266 - 152 http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=65147 She rarely votes no, on anything, it seems. I don't think there should be semi automatic weapons on the streets, and I don't think there is anything wrong with a week waiting period, and background check. But I kind of feel like the *war on guns* is as effective as the war on drugs. There are just far too many guns out there now, and readily available to anyone who wants one - legally or ilegally. How do they fix that? I think the problems with gun killings need to be addressed more at the level of *why* the violence, then going after the guns. Immunity to violence because of images in movies, video games, and TV and lyrics in songs. Because of gang wars, violence against women, poverty, drug violence. Those kinds of things... Sadly, killings aren't going to stop. Cars accidents are much more deadly ~42,636 car accident deaths a year. More people die falling each year, than by gun homicide. http://www.itsmylife.com/statistics.asp In 2004, 29,569 people were killed by guns in America- including 16,750 suicides; 11,624 homicides; and 649 unintentional or accidental shootings. http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html.) It doesn't make the loss of someone any less painful, but I don't know if *guns* are the issue, as much as the reasons why people use the guns. I only found one bill involving guns on her voting record, and it was this one, sponsored by two Democrats, and passed 266 – 152

HR 6842: Repealing Portions of the D.C. Firearm Ban
Issues: Federal, State, and Local Relations, Gun Issues
Date: 09/17/2008
Sponsor: Rep. Norton, Eleanor (D-DC)
Cosponsor: Rep. Waxman, Henry (D-CA)
House Passage: 09/17/2008 : Bill Passed 266 – 152

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=65147

She rarely votes no, on anything, it seems.

I don’t think there should be semi automatic weapons on the streets, and I don’t think there is anything wrong with a week waiting period, and background check.

But I kind of feel like the *war on guns* is as effective as the war on drugs. There are just far too many guns out there now, and readily available to anyone who wants one – legally or ilegally. How do they fix that?

I think the problems with gun killings need to be addressed more at the level of *why* the violence, then going after the guns. Immunity to violence because of images in movies, video games, and TV and lyrics in songs. Because of gang wars, violence against women, poverty, drug violence. Those kinds of things… Sadly, killings aren’t going to stop.

Cars accidents are much more deadly ~42,636 car accident deaths a year. More people die falling each year, than by gun homicide.
http://www.itsmylife.com/statistics.asp

In 2004, 29,569 people were killed by guns in America- including 16,750 suicides; 11,624 homicides; and 649 unintentional or accidental shootings. http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html.)

It doesn’t make the loss of someone any less painful, but I don’t know if *guns* are the issue, as much as the reasons why people use the guns.

]]> By: BernieO http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126374 BernieO Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:17:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126374 Not really. The far right SAYS it wants to keep guns out of their hands, but fights attempts at reaasonable background checks at every turn. Americans need to return to a time when they believed actions speak louder than words and stop being bamboozled and okey doked by spin. (eg The Clintons are racist.) Not really. The far right SAYS it wants to keep guns out of their hands, but fights attempts at reaasonable background checks at every turn. Americans need to return to a time when they believed actions speak louder than words and stop being bamboozled and okey doked by spin. (eg The Clintons are racist.)

]]> By: BernieO http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126373 BernieO Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:14:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126373 I am tired of the way so many Americans frame issues as black and white. There is a big difference between owning assault weapons and hunting rifles. There has never been a serious effort to ban the second. This is not to say I am unhappy with Gillibrand. This issue has been demagogued so well by the right that it is not likely it will come up at a national level until Dems get serious about changing the public perception. So far they have allowed the right wing to frame this issue as they have so many others. Deregulation anyone? I am tired of the way so many Americans frame issues as black and white. There is a big difference between owning assault weapons and hunting rifles. There has never been a serious effort to ban the second.

This is not to say I am unhappy with Gillibrand. This issue has been demagogued so well by the right that it is not likely it will come up at a national level until Dems get serious about changing the public perception. So far they have allowed the right wing to frame this issue as they have so many others. Deregulation anyone?

]]> By: Florence http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/12183/welcome-to-the-big-show/#comment-1126356 Florence Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:07:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=12183#comment-1126356 I am also very pro-gun control. Schumer pointed out that Gillibrant represents a rural area of NY. He says now that she's representing all of NY, her stance on guns will evolve. He is very pro-gun control and is going to talk to her about urban gun violence. I am also very pro-gun control. Schumer pointed out that Gillibrant represents a rural area of NY. He says now that she’s representing all of NY, her stance on guns will evolve. He is very pro-gun control and is going to talk to her about urban gun violence.

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