Comments on: Paid Lobbyists Conflict With Obama’s Spin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/ Thu, 24 May 2012 15:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Just Wondering http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93618 Just Wondering Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:57:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93618 Second. And I am not an Obama supporter. Second.

And I am not an Obama supporter.

]]> By: Huh http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93609 Huh Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:40:33 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93609 So lemme get this right: Brian Ross, the 'journalist' known for his screeching about anthrax-Saddam and never apologizing for his repeated egregious promotion of rank fallacy, pens that Obama worked with, among innumerable others, a smallish agro company to help pass bills that would benefit his constituency and only after insuring the agro company meet comparatively high environmental standards for their product(s). Meanwhile, Obama says lobbyists won't dictate policy. So...he's guilty of kinda-sorta violating, what, you're otherwise pure image of him? Welcome to gubmint, my dear. To read your piece, one would think Obama had been the former CEO of a major military contractor and buried that information. Gimme a break. I'm sorry, but this is immature and well below the typically informative, thoughtful and analytical fare of NQ. I have to agree with the commenter above -- get off the crazy horse already. You're better than this. So lemme get this right: Brian Ross, the ‘journalist’ known for his screeching about anthrax-Saddam and never apologizing for his repeated egregious promotion of rank fallacy, pens that Obama worked with, among innumerable others, a smallish agro company to help pass bills that would benefit his constituency and only after insuring the agro company meet comparatively high environmental standards for their product(s). Meanwhile, Obama says lobbyists won’t dictate policy. So…he’s guilty of kinda-sorta violating, what, you’re otherwise pure image of him? Welcome to gubmint, my dear.

To read your piece, one would think Obama had been the former CEO of a major military contractor and buried that information. Gimme a break.

I’m sorry, but this is immature and well below the typically informative, thoughtful and analytical fare of NQ. I have to agree with the commenter above — get off the crazy horse already. You’re better than this.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93576 TeakWoodKite Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:45:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93576 Then there <em><strong>are</strong></em> those "Leave Obama Alone!!!) types, I should to be sensitive too them. The thing about it is if anybody thinks on Jan 22 2009 the powers that be will pack up and go home regardless of wins is <em>dreaming</em>. So lets look at a Republican as a reality check. <blockquote>Mike Huckabee appears to have combined two hot-button issues on the Iowa campaign trail: Pakistani unrest and illegal immigration. telling CNN’s Dana Bash that 660 Pakistanis entered the country illegally last year, more than any other nationality other than those south of the border "When he was governor, Huckabee held the following positions on illegal immigration: He supported higher education benefits for children of illegal immigrants,.....</blockquote> Be afraid oooohhhh. Then there are those “Leave Obama Alone!!!) types, I should to be sensitive too them. The thing about it is if anybody thinks on Jan 22 2009 the powers that be will pack up and go home regardless of wins is dreaming.
So lets look at a Republican as a reality check.

Mike Huckabee appears to have combined two hot-button issues on the Iowa campaign trail: Pakistani unrest and illegal immigration.

telling CNN’s Dana Bash that 660 Pakistanis entered the country illegally last year, more than any other nationality other than those south of the border

“When he was governor, Huckabee held the following positions on illegal immigration: He supported higher education benefits for children of illegal immigrants,…..

Be afraid oooohhhh.

]]> By: badgervan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93562 badgervan Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:20:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93562 I've always liked this blog, but the recent cheerleading for Clinton, while tearing down all things Obama, is most unlike your normal stuff. Many of us prefer Obama over Hilary( too many years of Clintons and Bush's - fresh leadership is needed ), and admire the man's basic decency, as well as his other positive qualities. Go after the repubs if you must go after anyone, but know that your anti-Obama screeds are costing you some of your former admirers/readers. I’ve always liked this blog, but the recent cheerleading for Clinton, while tearing down all things Obama, is most unlike your normal stuff.
Many of us prefer Obama over Hilary( too many years of Clintons and Bush’s – fresh leadership is needed ), and admire the man’s basic decency, as well as his other positive qualities.
Go after the repubs if you must go after anyone, but know that your anti-Obama screeds are costing you some of your former admirers/readers.

]]> By: SusanUnPC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93543 SusanUnPC Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:00:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93543 You hit on it perfectly. You have a very good candidate. He's a strong second in my book. You hit on it perfectly. You have a very good candidate. He’s a strong second in my book.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93530 Shirin Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:39:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93530 Well, since my main focus is on foreign policy, I have to ask since when talking about bombing and invading countries, and continuing an illegal, illegitimate, and very destructive occupation is something progressives do? And while we are at it, since when is enlarging the military something progressives do? If Barak Obama is a progressive, then so is George W. Bush. Well, since my main focus is on foreign policy, I have to ask since when talking about bombing and invading countries, and continuing an illegal, illegitimate, and very destructive occupation is something progressives do?

And while we are at it, since when is enlarging the military something progressives do?

If Barak Obama is a progressive, then so is George W. Bush.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93493 TeakWoodKite Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:08:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93493 Could not agree more SusanUnpc History Can Be a Bitch: Her pups are fed the milk of amnesia. Thanks for the efforts. Great work, even when folks disagree. These are OT somewhat...<em>ok I know 15-0 can't last for ever.</em> These appeared two days apart. (first ya love me then ya don't) Russia to sell advanced air defense systems to Iran-2 <strong>12/26/ 2007</strong> http://en.rian.ru/world/20071226/94238985.html Russia Denies Iran Missile Plan <strong>December 28, 2007</strong> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Russia-Iran-Missiles.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Then my favorite of the week: U.S. extradition for arms dealer:(Negropontes' man?) http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/26/spain.extradition/index.html Could not agree more SusanUnpc
History Can Be a Bitch:
Her pups are fed the milk of amnesia.

Thanks for the efforts. Great work, even when folks disagree.

These are OT somewhat…ok I know 15-0 can’t last for ever.
These appeared two days apart. (first ya love me then ya don’t)

Russia to sell advanced air defense systems to Iran-2
12/26/ 2007
http://en.rian.ru/world/20071226/94238985.html

Russia Denies Iran Missile Plan December 28, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Russia-Iran-Missiles.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Then my favorite of the week:
U.S. extradition for arms dealer:(Negropontes’ man?)

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/26/spain.extradition/index.html

]]> By: bama_barrron http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93475 bama_barrron Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:45:47 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93475 as an edwards supporter i have a rather large grin all over my face ... it appears obama is doing his very best to present himself as being as populist as john. the polls in iowa,of course, are the reason for this effort! john's message appears to be resonating with old time rank and file democrats, especially with union types and universal health care advocates. several months ago, i brought up a major concern i had with obama. flying into oregon, raising lots of cash, yet not taking the time to interview with the only local progressive radio station and for ignoring the local and state party structure. i was not impressed and opined if this was the "new politics of inclusion" i would just as soon not join. since this time, obama has fumbled his responses to several old time democratic issues: social security, health care, the use of unilateral military force and his most unfortunate comments about the role of unions within the democratic party. i have to conclude that obama is at best giving lip service to these issues and is in fact not a populist and may not be even that progressive. yet, he continues to bash hillary for being too establishment ... go figure. once again, i must reiterate my original comment ... if this is the new politics of inclusion ... i don't want any part of it. no thnak you ... i will remain a highly partisan populist democrat! as an edwards supporter i have a rather large grin all over my face … it appears obama is doing his very best to present himself as being as populist as john. the polls in iowa,of course, are the reason for this effort! john’s message appears to be resonating with old time rank and file democrats, especially with union types and universal health care advocates.

several months ago, i brought up a major concern i had with obama. flying into oregon, raising lots of cash, yet not taking the time to interview with the only local progressive radio station and for ignoring the local and state party structure. i was not impressed and opined if this was the “new politics of inclusion” i would just as soon not join. since this time, obama has fumbled his responses to several old time democratic issues: social security, health care, the use of unilateral military force and his most unfortunate comments about the role of unions within the democratic party.

i have to conclude that obama is at best giving lip service to these issues and is in fact not a populist and may not be even that progressive. yet, he continues to bash hillary for being too establishment … go figure. once again, i must reiterate my original comment … if this is the new politics of inclusion … i don’t want any part of it. no thnak you … i will remain a highly partisan populist democrat!

]]> By: 1Watt, eggumacated http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1226/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93456 1Watt, eggumacated Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:29:16 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/29/paid-lobbyists-conflict-with-obamas-spin/#comment-93456 hate to go off topic. But stole this comment from Atrios' place: " GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 12.29.07 - 8:23 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment] [X] Why would I want to placate teh Right? When I was a very small GWPDA, and we had just returned to the States, my Mummy integrated herself into the local society. She had a lovely time visiting the Art Museum with Mrs. Goldwater and the various other ladies, became involved in the schools, all that sort of thing. Because we had been away from the wondrous years of McCarthyism for so long (hey! when she left FDR was teh bestest!) it was all a little mysterious and strange. Phoenix was still pretty frontier in a lot of ways, but in other ways it wasn't. One of the biggest deals was the attempt - very strong, very sneaky, very vicious - by the Birchers to take over the schools and the instruction of children. It was planned and it was horrific. It was the mothers - the same mothers who were the Mothers March of Dimes, the same mothers who backed desegregation, the same mothers who supported Peggy Goldwater and her ally Margaret Sanger in establishing Planned Parenthood who brought the reactionary right, the vicious 'right' to its knees. It was a long term difficult activity, but they were the forefront and they won. For awhile at least." This is the real battle. those who don't study history.... hate to go off topic. But stole this comment from Atrios’ place:

” GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 12.29.07 – 8:23 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment] [X]

Why would I want to placate teh Right?

When I was a very small GWPDA, and we had just returned to the States, my Mummy integrated herself into the local society. She had a lovely time visiting the Art Museum with Mrs. Goldwater and the various other ladies, became involved in the schools, all that sort of thing. Because we had been away from the wondrous years of McCarthyism for so long (hey! when she left FDR was teh bestest!) it was all a little mysterious and strange. Phoenix was still pretty frontier in a lot of ways, but in other ways it wasn’t. One of the biggest deals was the attempt – very strong, very sneaky, very vicious – by the Birchers to take over the schools and the instruction of children. It was planned and it was horrific. It was the mothers – the same mothers who were the Mothers March of Dimes, the same mothers who backed desegregation, the same mothers who supported Peggy Goldwater and her ally Margaret Sanger in establishing Planned Parenthood who brought the reactionary right, the vicious ‘right’ to its knees. It was a long term difficult activity, but they were the forefront and they won.

For awhile at least.”
This is the real battle.

those who don’t study history….

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