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Gimme That Old Time Religion – Updated (H/T – SusanUnPC)

I’ve got some astonishing news about President Obama’s “faith groups,” the 15 meetings that Obama and staff have held so far with these faith groups, and the kinds of faith leaders he’s inviting, including the notorious Rev. James Meeks. What is even more astonishing is how little press this is getting – 15 meetings with faith groups! Wowie zowie – seems like a lot to me.

But first, just in case it’s been too long, here’s a reminder about Barack’s good friend and strong political ally, Rev. James Meeks, both a powerful Chicago pastor and a state senator, who can win elections solely through his church’s 22,000 members voting for him. Larry Johnson exposed who Meeks really is in April 2008′s “What Would Tip O’Neill Do About Barack’s Pastors? [Updated]“, an excellent expose of the ministers with whom Obama has surrounded himself.

But Meeks is special. He has been Obama’s friend, ally, and spiritual adviser for years now. Here’s a little reminder of who he is:

You can read more in SusanUnPC’s late April 2008 story, “Father Pfleger & Rev. James Meeks: Who They Really Are” and at least a dozen more NoQuarter articles exposing James Meeks. Not for the faint of heart, these two men, in their language or theology, as SusanUnPC demonstrates in her fine post.

Oh, and The Rev. Meeks is also connected with The Rev. James Dobson – yes, THAT James Dobson, from “Focus on the Family.” They are working together to abolish the separation of church and state. But don’t take my word for it. Check out this little blurb about James Meeks from the Southern Poverty Law Center highlights:

The Rev. James Meeks is a key member of Chicago’s “Gatekeepers” network, an interracial group of evangelical ministers who strive to erase the division between church and state. A stalwart anti-gay activist, Meeks has used his House of Hope mega-church to launch petition drives for the Illinois Family Institute (IFI), a major state-level “family values” pressure group that lauded him last year for leading African Americans in “clearly understanding the threat of gay marriage.”

With over 22,000 members, Meeks’ congregation was large enough to buoy his successful 2002 campaign for state senator. Last year, he ran for governor as a virtual single-issue candidate, drawing national support from Christian fundamentalists by boldly vowing to fight marriage equality at every turn. Meeks eventually dropped out of the race.

Meeks and the IFI are partnered with Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council and the Alliance Defense Fund, major anti-gay organizations of the Christian Right. They also are tightly allied with Americans for Truth, an Illinois group that said in a press release last year that “fighting AIDS without talking against homosexuality is like fighting lung cancer without talking against smoking.”


Wow, right? Yeah. Funny, I sure don’t recall ANYONE in the MSM highlighting THIS little tidbit, or the connection between James Meeks and James Dobson. Such stellar journalism we have had the past 18 months. Hahahaha!

Anywho – it would seem that Meeks’ influence on Obama is coming out as this US News article, Crafting Policy Agenda, Obama Team Brings in Faith Groups, The president-elect and his staff have held about 15 meetings so far with religious groups would indicate:

In the eight weeks since Barack Obama was elected president, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism Director David Saperstein or members of his Washington, D.C.-based staff have attended roughly a dozen meetings with Obama’s transition team, on topics ranging from domestic poverty and the plight of White House faith-based initiatives to foreign policy challenges like bringing peace to the Middle East.

“This is the most extensive outreach and listening tour that I’ve ever seen a new administration take, and that is certainly true of their outreach to the faith community,” says Saperstein, who has worked with presidential transition teams going back to Jimmy Carter’s. “It’s quite remarkable.”

The effort is noteworthy not only for the number of Obama transition team meetings with religious groups—about 15 so far—but also because top Obama policy aides have joined the powwows. Melody Barnes, who will be director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, and Heather Higginbottom, who will be the council’s deputy director, have participated in some of the meetings.

“There is the feeling that these are not perfunctory meetings but serious meetings with people in policymaking roles who know the process well,” says James Winkler, general secretary of the public policy arm of the United Methodist Church, who says that he or his staff have attended nearly a dozen meetings with the Obama transition team so far. “This is not something meant to bring in the faith community to keep them happy but to solicit our views and ideas.”

I don’t know about you, but it makes me wonder why religious groups opinions are being sought in policy-making. Even Bush, whom I think most people would expect to operate this way did not, at least not on every issue:

Winkler said that during George W. Bush’s tenure, “we were never contacted by the administration” after an initial meeting with the White House Office of Public Liaison, which traditionally handles outreach to religious groups and other constituencies. Though Bush is a Methodist, a group of Methodist bishops was unsuccessful in repeated attempts to meet with the president in the run-up to the Iraq war, which the United Methodist Church opposed.

Yeah, so not as much of a surprise since they didn’t agree with his position.

But I wonder if the following IS a surprise to Obama’s followers (again, not to those of us who have been paying attention):

Heading up religious outreach for Obama’s transition team is Joshua DuBois, a Pentecostal and onetime associate pastor who directed religious outreach for the Obama campaign. Mark Linton, the Obama campaign’s Catholic outreach director, is leading the effort to design an Obama administration version of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, and Mara Vanderslice, an evangelical Democratic operative who has helped spearhead the party’s post-2004 religious outreach offensive, is now Obama’s outreach liaison to religious communities.

Don’t let this description of DuBois fool you. He, like Favreau, is young – in his mid-20′s. And while he may have been an associate pastor at his small Cambridge, MA evangelical/pentecostal church (gasp! Had he been anyone else – like a female VP candidate, this might have gotten some scrutiny.), he was not seminary trained. You can read more about him, if you wish, HERE. It is just amazing to me that he is the one heading up Obama’s religious outreach team. Out of all of the people available in this country to Obama for positions like this, he picks this young guy who has no real-world work experience (he went from college to a master’s program to a part-time law school program, according to the article). It is a bit mind boggling, actually.

But I digress. Back to the religious influence on policy:

Representatives from a handful of outside religious groups meeting with the Obama transition team expect these aides to stay on in the new administration.

The Obama transition team would not comment about its meetings with religious groups apart from issuing a brief statement from DuBois, the religious outreach director. “The Obama-Biden transition team is working with a range of religious and secular community groups to solicit their views on the transition process and our agenda going forward,” the statement read in part.

Interviews with 10 participants in the Obama transition team’s faith-based meetings paint a portrait of Obama aides recording priorities and concerns of representatives from religious denominations and advocacy groups, mostly of the left-leaning variety. Their policy priorities include economic relief for the poor, new protections for organized labor, a stepped-up campaign to combat global warming, improved access to healthcare, and guarantees that the United States will forgo torture in its war on terror.

Well, yeah, those sound like some pretty good issues – I think most of us would be fine with this list. But you know it doesn’t stop with helping the poor:

Some of the faith-based groups have also pressured the transition team to make a serious attempt to reduce demand for abortion by improving sex education and expanding government services for pregnant women.

There ya go. But wait – there’s even more:

Spokespeople for the social conservative advocacy group Family Research Council and for the Southern Baptist Convention—a huge, mostly conservative evangelical denomination—meanwhile, said that their organizations have not received invitations to meet with Obama’s transition team. Southern Baptist Convention public policy chief Richard Land says that DuBois called him to report that Obama had personally read a letter from Land urging the president-elect to push legislation aimed at reducing the demand for abortion. “Mr. DuBois told me that he wanted to keep the bridges of communication open and that the door was always open for us to voice concerns,” Land says. “I congratulated him on having picked Rick Warren to do the invocation at the inauguration.”

Of course he did. And there was much rejoicing throughout the land that Obama picked Rick Warren to participate in his “historic” inauguration. What? That wasn’t rejoicing? Whatever – it was Obama’s choice, ergo, it must be sanctified, according to the Obama faithful. Ahem.

And now, we get to Obama’s take on Bush’s Faith-based Initiatives, a program previously abhorred by liberals, but now that Obama is pushing it, it is a fabulous use of your tax-paying dollars:

Transition team meetings with faith groups focused on planning for a Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, Obama’s version of the faith-based initiatives office that President Bush launched during his first term. The meetings have included advocates of strict church-state separation, who have traditionally criticized such programs.

“It doesn’t bother me,” Americans United for Separation of Church and State Executive Director Barry W. Lynn says of the Obama policy of having aides sit down frequently with religious groups. “It would only bother me if [Obama] starts implementing the policies of religious groups that are inconsistent with guarantees of the Constitution, and I haven’t seen that yet.”

Still, creating consensus around the Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships is emerging as an early challenge in Obama’s efforts to satisfy both secular liberal and religious groups. For instance, proponents of church-state separation want Obama to peel back Bush-era exemptions on employment nondiscrimination laws for religious organizations receiving federal funds—allowing Christian groups to hire only Christians—while some religious groups say they need such hiring discretion to maintain the religious component of their programs.

For now, though, those groups are happy just to have the incoming administration’s ear. “We’re glad to have a good seat at the table and that [the Obama transition team] is listening to all sides,” says Tanya Clay House, director of public policy for People for the American Way, which has expressed concerns about the propriety of federal faith-based initiatives. “The old administration listened to just one side of the argument.”

Wow – I guess Rev. Lynn forgets that his organization, Americans United, spear-headed major opposition to Bush’s faith-based initiative in a major position paper. Want to guess who signed on to that opposition? That’s right – People for the American Way (PFAW). I guess now that it is OBAMA who wants to do it, no, EXPAND the Initiatives, it is magically and miraculously a great plan – because they have “good seats at the table,” see.

And it looks like the two Jameses might just get their way with this whole abolishing of that pesky Church and State thing when this is what the opposition looks like. Nice job at “gate-keeping” there, AU and PFAW – way to stick to the courage of your convictions! And way to protect the Constitution. I mean, hey – why bother with that pesky little document as long as Obama lets you have a good seat at the table? You’re in the “In” crowd now, and that is all that apparently counts anymore to these groups.

The hypocrisy knows no bounds. It simply knows no bounds.

  • Doc99

    The “Establishment Clause” does not separate Church and State. The Establishment prevents the establishment of a State Religion. The difference can be subtle, but it is meaningful.

  • Johnny Smithfield

    Dear God! President Obama supports funding of faith based charities?!? Begin the impeachment hearings at once! LMAO!

    The difference between Obama and Bush’s F.B.I.’s is there are STRICT RULES against sermonizing to the subjects of the charity in BO’s plan. A fact you leave out of your “analysis”.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    You are right – it is a subtle difference, and the Supreme Court generally has held a broader view of the Establishment clause (and there is also the freedom to religion in the First Amendment, too).

    And the Establishment clause also came into being because churches that were not the few mainstream (like Universalists) churches were taxed in order to support those main-stream churches, denominations that came over from Europe. They fought hard to get that separation for that very reason – to not have to support religious organizations with which they did not agree.

    The issue is for the federal government to take taxpayer money to give to tax exempt organizations whose views the taxpayer may not hold. In other words, as Jefferson said, citizens should not be forced to support charities with which they do not agree. And that is the ESSENCE of the Faith-based Initiatives program.

    As an addendum, the AU has on it site a request for decreased funding for that program, yet its leader responded in a very weak way abt the issue of religious groups in policy making. The two are connected.

  • candymarl

    And the congregants are going to be too stupid to realize that these people are supporting Obama? I got swampland in Florida for ya.

    If the the State (ie. the government) hires religious leaders to work for them and provides them funding How is that not the State (government) sponsoring religion?

    I didn’t like it under Clinton. I didn’t like it under Bush. And Obama is not getting a free pass either. Get rid of the Faith Based Initiative Office period.

    Read a history book. Each time the State and Religious leadership combine it never turns out well.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Obama intends to EXPAND Bush’s program. I guess you missed THAT in your “analysis.” And you conveniently forget that the VAST majority of liberals were OPPOSED to the Faith Based Initiatives from the GET-go, but now that Obama wants it, it’s okay?

    THAT is called hypocrisy. Like I said.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    The Separation the Founders wanted was at the Federal level because the Federal Govt was feared to become to distorting in so many of its areas. Thus the 1st Amend said the Fed Govt cannot establish a religion.

    However, the individual States did not have any such restriction. It was only the people’s change of mind about having established sects when the States became less homogeneous in their Christianity.

    It’s only bizarre and IMHO incorrect Supreme Court inventions that have led to the weird situation now where we are supposed to pretend the Govt has nothing to do with the religion of the people that founded this country.

    [Administrator: You've been banned because your Web site promotes hate speech and conspiracy theories, targets an entire group of human beings, and has more such inflammatory rhetoric.]

  • Katherine B.

    You are absolutely right about Americans United! I used to be a member and noticed in their recent mailings (I have yet to be removed from their list although I requested it some time ago) that they soft peddled the new administration’s position saying only something to the effect that Obama has decided to continue with the Office of Faith Based Initiatives. Hardly their usual headline blaring condemnations of the previous Bush administration. AU has forever been focused on the religious “right” but never has taken a close look at the religious “LEFT,” who also have their dirty hands out looking for tax payer money and who FREQUENTLY engage in political activity despite their 503(c) status, which clearly prohibits such activity. I’m afraid Barry Lynn does indeed have a friend in Jesus, that being the latest iteration of Barak Obama’s name.

    And as for the post that says there will be STRICT rules overseeing the new, expanded operation – yeah, right!

  • ritamary

    Sure the combination of religion with the state is working out really well, isn’t it? Look how well the Taliban handled things in Afghanistan? How about the theocracy in Iran? And how about Israel where one religion is privileged over others?

    Look at a historical example. When the British controlled Ireland Catholics could not own land or hold political office. Catholics could not wear traditional Irish clothing or speak Irish. Sound like a good idea?

    Some people commenting here seem opposed to separation of church and state. Which religion are you choosing for us to combine with the state? Didn’t Jesus say to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s? I don’t know of any point where Jesus advocated for a state religion.

  • Mandelay

    I hope Obama remembers to include the Rev. Manning.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/01/21/VI2009012101557.html?sid=ST2009012101096 trixta

    What difference does it make if it is one official religion or multiple religious sanctioned by the state? This move toward religion undermines our country and has the same eroding effect on our Constitution. GWB and his evil twin Obama are subjecting this country to a theocratic stranglehold. Only now this stranglehold consists of a theocratic coalition, rather than just one state-sanctioned religion. Either way this country is screwed!

  • Lizzy

    I don’t understand why Obama would be promoting faith based iniatives. Does he just think that religious people are stupid and he can easily co-opt their leaders with federal money. It doesn’t seem to be sometime congruent with his belief system.

  • C.S.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    That of religion is the key. It’s how the Founding Fathers got the Constitution ratified by guaranteeing each little denomination that no bigger denomination would be able to dominate them. They were free to “establish” any religion they wanted; they just couldn’t make you practice what they preached. And, not all religious sects that made their way to the “new world” where Christians.

    But, since the colonists came mostly from France, England and Spain for business reasons, the two biggest religions were Catholic and Church of England, except for the large Quaker land grant of Pennsylvania granted to William Penn’s father.

    But these faith based initiatives take tax dollars from tax payers of every religion and from “non believers” (as Soertoro Obama has dubbed them). I seriously doubt that tax dollars have been set aside for agnostics, atheist, WICCA and Native American religions. We have a large Buddhist population, how much is set aside for them? We don’t tax Church finances and they build huge expensive Churches from this untaxed money and they don’t need to dip their hands in Our tax dollars unless they want their income taxed.

    If we want to really help those in need, cut out the religious middle man and give it to nondenominational food kitchens and build shelters for the homeless and some free clinics for those without medical insurance – there are no doctors practicing in churches and we have just been through the religious pharmacists refusing to fill legal prescriptions that went against their religious beliefs! “Faith based” judgments paid from tax money is not a good idea for our democratic/republic.

  • CG

    Even Pastor John Hagee is showing Obama some love.. He’s given his blessings to Obama and “is urging other evangelicals to join him — in powerfully persuasive prose.” http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/pagespage/2009/01/exmccainiac-shows-obama-love-.html

  • tek

    I’m disturbed at Barry Lynn, I’m worried that people are giving Obama a pass because they were so ready to have a Democrat in the WH.

    The Faith BAsed Initiative was unConstitutional on many levels, it ought to just be scrapped.

  • tek

    Katherine: I think you’ve really hit on something. Perhaps people are so used t thinking of all the bad stuff in the govnt as Republican, they aren’t thinking we need to keep the Democrats honest, too. Obviously, we do.

  • Cubs in 09

    Rev. Manning rocks!

  • LonnieH

    Reverend Manning is the best. I love one where he talks about Obama’s mother being “trash.” OMG I died laughing.

  • athy

    RRRAmy

    excellent expose.

    You wrote:

    I don’t know about you, but it makes me wonder why religious groups opinions are being sought in policy-making. Even Bush, whom I think most people would expect to operate this way did not, at least not on every issue:

    Religious leaders and their groups exert a powerful influence in communities. Many people-especially those who are not well informed on issues for whatever reason -they rely HEAVILY on instructions from their religious leaders as to what course of action to take when faced with any questions (personal or political or whatever…)

    Will President Obama listen to the opinions of these leaders? It appears he is doing so. Will he carry out their wishes? Dont know.

    Will THEY carry out his (Pres Obama) wishes? Perhaps if he can win them over. Dont know what he will promise them in the name of political experiency.

    People-especially in lower socio-economic levels who are struggling rely heavily on their faith based leaders. These people (citizens, voters,parishioners) will do much in the name of faith.

    They do not question what they are asked to do. That is the nature of faith.

    They (parishioners of religious leaders who strongly support Pres. Obama) form a VERY powerful force to be reckoned with…

    Savvy community leaders know this. Saul Alinsky knew this.

  • foxx

    I suggest that atheists, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, goddess worshippers, voodoo practitioners etc. all demand to be part of this faith based office and advisory group.

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    ALL of these religious groups (faithie thingies) have one thing in common

    PATRIARCHY (Keeping women in their place).

  • FranSC

    The only reason Obama is involved in these faith-based things is his quest to prove he is not Muslim since many people still believe that. But it shows how nieve he is about such matters. You would think he would run as hard as he could from this stuff since the Rev Wright and Father Pfleger nearly did him in. But no – he’s trying to *prove* he is a Christian! I honestly don’t think he gets the controversial parts since he is focused on identifying with the faith part.

    I can never forgot Obama during the campaign saying, “I pray to Jesus once a day” when most Christians will tell you they are ‘continuously’ in prayer. Since Mulims pray 5 times a day to Allah I believe he thought this would be the distinction he needed to make. Poor thing. When you have an atheist for a mother with no Christian instruction until adulthood and a foreign father who is Muslim, no wonder you don’t know these elementary facts. His ignorance on this subject has been astounding regardless of how intelligent all his followers think he is.

  • http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

    I think he’s doing this to get their financial support for his next election. He doesn’t do anything that doesn’t benefit him personally. I’m getting more convinced that he is a plant by the repubs. They saw that he was a person that could be swayed to whatever they wanted.

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  • http://www.partizane.com catfish

    Holy smokes RRA, good reporting here! Did not know any of this.

  • nene

    They don’t want to comment on their meetings? Why did Dick Cheney just pop into my head?

  • Snookies

    Why do you use the Lords name in vain?

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