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Is it true? Did Obama’s honeymoon end before it had a chance to begin?

So writes Howard Fineman for MSNBC.com, in his article, “The honeymoon that ended before it began.” More from Howard below. But, first, here’s the Fox All Stars’ commentaries on Obama’s stimulus package, and they’re not exactly enthused:

David Gergen dispensed some sage advice on CNN’s AC360, like his idea of an “overseer” of the funding dispersion:

GERGEN: Well, many of these Republicans who are against this are from conservative districts, where there is unhappiness about — with the bill, how much spending there is. … There are deep philosophical differences which, in some cases, are non-negotiable. So, you have got people on both sides. [...]

But I can’t tell you, Anderson, how different this is from what we have seen in recent years, when there has been so much polarization. If you can create an atmosphere in which people actually sit down together, if this is not just a one-off, it’s not a symbolic trip to the Hill, but you actually start sitting down and talking, on foreign policy, there will be areas where they can strike a more bipartisan foreign policy.

That would enormously strengthen American foreign policy overseas. So, there are dividends if they continue to pursue this, even if they don’t get the votes this time out. [...]

And I think the White House response has not been adequate in this area. What Barack Obama very much needs now is a Jack Welch-type figure to come in and to run this stimulus program, especially to oversee the spending side, to be tough-minded, to get a strong manager there.

A lot of very good people in this administration — he does not have a lot of managers. He especially doesn’t have someone to manage this stimulus bill, so we don’t get a mess we had with the TARP bill, to oversee every project, get the pork out of it, and make sure we don’t have a lot of scandals. And he needs a Jack Welch figure. … Read all.

And I trust you’ve read our three important pieces Tuesday on the stimulus package:

  • $200 million for condoms?” by American Girl in Italy (great riff on “pork” in this stimulus package)
  • Hope Takes Time To Heal [The Economy]” by Chris Martin (a truly excellent examination of the long time that most of the projects will require before they’re “shovel ready”)
  • Are Condoms Stimulative?” by the typically irreverent Larry Johnson (mocking the Nancy Pelosi crowd all the way)

One thing is becoming clear: While President Obama has starry-eyed visions of “bipartisanship,” the Republicans are showing their Mighty Mouse muscle by giving the President as hard a time as possible before this bill can get passed.

(1) While it surely will pass in the House, we need to ask how many Republicans will vote for the plan.
(2) We also need to contemplate what’s going to happen in the Senate, where the Democrats don’t have enough votes to run through a cloture gauntlet.
(3) We have to factor in the Congressional Democrats, in order to please their anti-stimulus constituencies, may not play ball with their Democratic president.
(4) Then there’s that the Democrats, especially the leadership are in, as Fineman notes, a “my-way-or the-highway mood” which is not conducive to bipartisanship.

And, when Mr. Establishment Journalist Howard Fineman sings some sour notes about PBO’s start, we all must pay heed:

Honeymoon that ended before it began
For Obama, an early start, and promises things will get worse

By Howard Fineman

[...] The president is heading to the U.S. Capitol to meet privately first with House, then Senate, Republicans.

Did he have to make the trip? Not really. At the very least he could have insisted that the GOP members come “downtown.” Does he need GOP votes to pass his economic recovery plan? Probably not many: maybe four or five in the Senate if there is a filibuster.

But is he wise to make the gesture, one that his predecessor would never have dreamed of making?

Absolutely. If Obama wants to achieve a roaring, Canaveral-like lift off for his plan — and for his presidency — he needs to show that we have jettisoned “business as usual.” Bipartisan support is the way to do so.

It won’t be easy. It may not even be possible. I have been struck so far by the LACK of bipartisan goodwill on both sides. It’s only a week into the Obama presidency and things quickly seem to be degenerating into the same old, same old spats and thrusts.

In terms of tone, no one is blameless. Democrats, enjoying their largest majorities in decades, generally are in a my-way-or the-highway mood.

Republicans, in a defensive crouch, are without well-known elected leaders, leaving Rush Limbaugh with his Golden Microphone as the loudest and most famous voice.

Fizz-less Inside the Beltway
Even though the country is behind Obama as he starts — he has the highest approval ratings on record — the sense Inside the Beltway is rather fizz-less. There are a number of reasons. Obama essentially started governing the economy weeks ago, so his “honeymoon’ was over — at least among the political and chattering classes here in Washington — before he was even inaugurated.

And though the country is hurting, badly, the president is in the odd position of having to convince voters that the situation is about to get much, much worse. It’s a task F.D.R. didn’t have in 1933, when the unemployment rate was near 25 percent when he was sworn in.

Obama’s plans are themselves part of the problem: they are not sufficiently radical to blow up the familiar, paralyzing partisan axis of argument about the role and size of government in our lives.

It’s not so much a matter of the plan’s size — though some economists do think it’s not big enough — as it is the lack of imagination and shrewd strategy. In haste to spend, he and his aides in too many cases simply looked for programmatic spigots to turn on.

Lack of focus?
Rather than carefully watering each plant with care, Obama seems to be turning a fire hose on an entire desert. Even America doesn’t have enough money for that.

The lack of focus allows critics on the right to pick off one or another line item, stoking outrage among the tax-cut, spending-cut crowd.

And it is clear that Obama is going to ask for even more than the $825 billion he is asking for in his recovery plan, and the $350 billion in bank-salvage money that Congress authorized two weeks ago.

In the White House press briefing Monday, press secretary Robert Gibbs hinted that the administration may ask for another bank tranche beyond that.

[...] The House GOP seems pretty unified against the recovery plan; Sen. Mitch McConnell, the GOP Senate leader, is “playing things extremely close to the vest,” as one Senate Democrat told me.

In the end it may not matter that much. In 1993, Bill Clinton passed his first and most important — and successful — tax bill without a single GOP vote in the House. The legislation is generally credited with having helped spur the Long Boom of the 1990s.

But in 1993, times weren’t as tough, and Clinton wasn’t proposing to change the way Washington worked. He just wanted to win, and he did.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it might have been wisest for Mr. Obama to have stayed in the Senate and learned to know more of the senators better, instead of abandoning the Senate and his representation of Illinois for the last two years in order to campaign for the presidency, and to have won a second reelection. Then, with more solid credentials, and a far deeper knowledge of the workings of Congress as well as who’s who in both the House and Senate, he’d have had that master touch of negotiating with individual members, much as Lyndon Johnson did when he managed to pass historic legislation, some of it very difficult to pass, in health care, civil rights, the environment, and much more.

Lyndon could pick up the phone, and talk to any key member in the House or Senate. He knew them, and they knew him. Very well. He had the ability to get the votes he needed. At another critical time in U.S. history, Obama hasn’t Lyndon Johnson’s intimate knowledge of the individuals he needs to contact, nor the extensive experience in the arcane, quirky ways of Congress that only comes from doing the job. Which Obama did not.

  • Katmoon

    This is just plain odd:

    Forcing a state to carry out a specific act for funds.

    http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf
    http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1_text.pdf

    Here is a Recovery Act for America that contains a political provision that excludes one state unless the governor is removed from office (Section 1112). (pg. 14) Does this fly in the face of state rights?

    None of the funds provided by this Act may be made available to the State of Illinois, or any agency of the State, unless (1) the use of such funds by the State is approved in legislation enacted by the State after the date of the enactment of this Act, or (2) Rod R. Blagojevich no longer holds the office of Governor of the State of Illinois. The preceding sentence shall not apply to any funds provided directly to a unit of local government (1) by a Federal department or agency, or (2) by an established formula from the State.

  • Katmoon

    I heard it in passing yesterday at school from one of our Professors; he told us to see what we could find out and what we thought about it. The thing that is odd to me is the (1) section if carried out, makes (2) unnecessary. I just have never seen a politician named, and used to push for a specific legal action; in this specific manner(appropriations package). I believe as we have discussed due process on the site (and know I am no fan of the Governor), all are entitled to it. It’s similar in going after Limbaugh, it has a first blush of a type of intimidation. IMHO, so far. Still examining this.

  • Katmoon

    Not to mention the rush to get it passed. I agree VInce, just on what I have read so far, and it is a lengthy piece. Still reading it and researching. I know we have serious economic issues, but it isn’t like they haven’t had time to put together a decent package, at least from late August last year, until now. This seems whipped together to suit the current administration and some obvious one sided benefits…but still reading.

  • wodiej

    Bipartisanship my ass. Bipartisanship would be the suggestion Limbaugh made. Obama gets 54% of the spending package to do as he pleases based on the percentage of people who voted for him. The other 46% can go to Republicans for those who didn’t vote for Obama. It would be used for a corporate tax rate cut, small business tax cuts, taxpayer cuts and incentives for the mortgage market. May the best plan win. I can tell you right now, people having free condoms and more sex is not going to stimulate anything but themselves.

  • Katmoon

    Here is what I can find so far:

    Breakdown of key areas of the Bill-state by state

    cbpp.org/1-22-09bud.htm

    and

    from
    sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/25/MNU515G2DD.DTL

    $44 million for repairs at the Agriculture Department headquarters in Washington.
    $200 million to rehabilitate the National Mall.
    $360 million for new child care centers at military bases.
    $1.8 billion to repair National Park Service facilities.
    $276 million to update technology at the State Department.
    $500 million for the Transportation Security Administration to install bomb detectors at airports.
    $600 million for General Services Administration to replace older vehicles with alternative fuel vehicles.
    $2.5 billion to upgrade low-income housing.
    $400 million for NASA scientists to conduct climate change research.
    $426 million to construct facilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    $800 million to clean up Superfund sites.
    $150 million for the Coast Guard to repair or remove bridges deemed a hazard to navigation.
    $6.7 billion to renovate and improve energy efficiency at federal buildings.
    $400 million to replace the Social Security Administration’s 30-year-old National Computer Center.

  • ACPD

    Bipartisan to BO means that everyone who disagrees with him stops objecting and starts doing what he says. This is what lack of experience means. It translates into not knowing how to get things done and not understanding the complexity of our government in order to be able to design really effective and smart programs. Just like with Bush, we are going to pay while BO undergoes some on-the-job-training.

    One problem I have with the notion that all you need to do is create more construction jobs for people is that once the bridges and roads are repaired and built, what happens to these jobs? Without some real skills these workers just go back into the category of unskilled, unemployed people. And then there is the problem that most of these jobs go to men. There are a lot of unemployed, single-mothers who could use some work, training and help….

    BO is way out of his league. Electing him was like electing Charlie Sheen, because he did a good job of portraying a president on The West Wing. At least Sheen appeared to get something done in his make-believe world….

  • sandshark222

    Gotta give credit where credit is due – Limbaugh’s plan is the best I’ve heard so far.

    Something tells me Obama won’t be giving it much attention, after all, the democrats started a petition against Limbaugh.

    Apparently in an Obamessiah world, freedom of speech only means freedom of speech as long as it agrees with Lord Obama most holiest.

  • grayslady

    Forget states rights. What about innocent until proven guilty? Whoever drafted this bill has already tried and convicted Blago, it seems.

  • Katmoon

    And

    recovery.gov

    which states

    Check back after the passage of the American Recovery and Investment Act to see how and where you tax dollars are spent.

    An oversight board will routinely update this site as an unprecedented effort to root out waste, inefficiency and unnecessary spending in our government.

    From the ARIA

    SEC. 1230. FUNDING.
    There is hereby appropriated to the Board
    $14,000,000 to carry out this subtitle.

    The pay for ” board” and too pay for the website.

    the board:

    PART 2—ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
    19 BOARD
    20 SEC. 1221. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND
    21 TRANSPARENCY BOARD.
    22 There is established a board to be known as the ‘‘Re23
    covery Act Accountability and Transparency Board’’

  • Katmoon

    to not too, sorry

  • grayslady

    So, pretty much, unless you’re a construction worker in the employ of someone who contracts for the government, no job opportunities for you!

  • HARP

    A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.

    Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_bailout_bill/2009/01/27/175729.html

  • Katmoon

    Ok, after reading it again, and looking at state procedure, this reference to the Gov. by name was not necessary, to accomplish what is written. I understand what the attempt was, ie. to keep the funds out of the Gov. hands, the naming was childish and uncalled for.

  • Katmoon

    from the Illinois Constitution

    ILLINOIS CONSTITUTION
    The House of Representatives has the sole power to conduct legislative investigations to determine the existence of cause for impeachment and, by the vote of a majority of the members elected, to impeach Executive and Judicial officers. Impeachments shall be tried by the Senate. When sitting for that purpose, Senators shall be upon oath, or affirmation, to do justice according to law. If the Governor is tried, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court shall preside. No person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the Senators elected. Judgment shall not extend beyond removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office of this State. An impeached officer, whether convicted or acquitted, shall be liable to prosecution, trial, judgment and punishment according to law.

  • Katmoon

    Harp do you know where that Acorn provision is hidden in ARIA?

  • Katmoon

    Obviously I need more coffee, never mind Harp, sorry.

  • obamastolemyboyfriend

    Can we add a provision that a corrupt President can’t have access to the funds? Let madame President Clinton, er…I mean the SOS handle it. I’d feel better about it. Thanks.

  • Katmoon

    Found the comments from my state representative, Rep. Blackburn. I agree, it appears this may be the benefit for all that voter fraud. Payday.

  • wodiej

    I just heard they are going to take out the mall renovations. When Republicans expressed their concerns, O said “dont you care about this monument that is visited by tourists”? Hey DUMBASS…it’s not going to stimulate the economy or create jobs. O also supposedly said to Repub’s they have been in Congress long enough to know pork is part of these packages. Sooooooo, you’re the president dipshit, tell them to take it out!!

  • Winston

    But what about $400 million for latex body garments? LOL. It is dangerous to make jokes about this since Nancy and Barry might seriously consider it. They are capable of just about anything.

  • BARB

    links w/info about ACORN $$$$$$ in “Stimulus” package:

    http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/01/some-goodies-hidden-within-democrats.html

    And, ACORN even canvassed for Obama this year.
    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/busted-ohio-acorn-canvassed-for-obama.html

    Now it looks like the Far Left group will be generously rewarded for their efforts.

    Let Freedom Ring noticed the billions of taxpayer money that will be gifted to ACORN and other leftwing organizations in the stimulus plan.
    http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=3522

    House Republican Leader John Boehner reported:
    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109339

    The Democrat’s Job Creation” Bill Offers Taxpayer-Funded Bonanza for Organization Reportedly Under Federal Investigation

    Washington, Jan 23 – ‘The House Democrats’ trillion dollar spending bill, approved on January 21 by the Appropriations Committee and headed to the House floor next week for a vote, could open billions of taxpayer dollars to left-wing groups like the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). ACORN has been accused of perpetrating voter registration fraud numerous times in the last several elections; is reportedly under federal investigation; and played a key role in the irresponsible schemes that caused a financial meltdown that has cost American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars since last fall.
    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=105033

    McCain got a lot of negative press for going back to Washington during the first bailout appropriations bill, but one thing he did was to give the Repubs enough backbone to delete the $800 million hidden in that package that was slated for ACORN.

  • Winston

    Well rigging elections can be very expensive. Acorn needs about 6 billion to hire more street thugs to make sure Obama wins the next election.

  • C.S.

    Obama insulted the Republicans with that belligerent “I won” (like childish one-up-man-ship) when we all know all too well what happened to put him where he is. And, in a democracy you can’t insult a equal branch of government and expect cooperation and capitulation from it; especially not from the opposition party. That only works in dictatorships. Negotiation skills, tact and manners don’t seem to be high on Soertoro/Obama’s list of accomplishments. Fasten your seatbelts, I think We the People are in for a bumpy ride.

  • Pennsylvania Red

    “Porkapalooza”

  • MrMike

    Everyone knows Pelosi has locked the GOP out of the Legislative process.

    What comes around, goes around.
    The Democrats learned a hard lesson with Bill Clinton. When he was sworn in the first thing many Dem legislators wanted was to re-open the Iran-Contra
    investigation because Bush had pardoned so many of the bad actors. Bill instead extended an olive branch to the republicans and they thanked him with Whitewater.
    While I don’t or can’t generate much enthusiasm for the current crop of Dems, I have no sympathy for the repubs. They brought this on themselves.

  • Pennsylvania Red

    That only works in dictatorships.

    That does seem to be the plan. Much of the money in the bill is not to be disbursed until 2013 or thereabouts. 0 intends to be at the helm for a long time, who better to secure his position than the A-CON militia.

  • Sassy

    Aside from the back and forth on the Hill, my focus is on the reaction of businesses.
    While many of these lay-offs and closings have been in the pipe-line and were certain, there is usually at least a grace period for a new administration.
    When companies don’t attempt to make another quarter or two, I think they have already made their decisions concerning the fiscal policies of the new team.

  • MrMike

    Without some real skills these workers just go back into the category of unskilled, unemployed people.

    Tell that to a heavy equipment operator or a surveyor. My oldest spent their senior year learning carpentry at vo-tech.
    What happens is when they are earning a pay check they are spending on goods and services. Real trickle down economics.

  • DAB

    I agree with you about Obama’s petulant tone. It’s high time that Obama “put aside his childish things” and attitudes. Nancy Pelosi also took a similar tack and although they are obviously correct that “they won”, it is immature to rub it in this way. You can make the same point in a more subtle and less offensive manner if you really want to be inclusive.

    It appears that their form of bipartisanship can be summed up as “support me/us because I/we won”

  • MrMike

    And, in a democracy you can’t insult a equal branch of government and expect cooperation and capitulation from it; especially not from the opposition party.

    The Dems were good at that when the repubs were in control.

  • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

    And when the GOP retakes congress, and they will, guess who will be the first ones crying about the behaviour of the Republicans.

    The Dems of 2009 remind me of the GOP in 2005…smug, arrogant, assured of their “permanent majority status” being led by a bunch of crooks and phonies.

    At least it took the GOP 10 years to get to that point, where it’s taken the dems 2 years.

  • MrMike

    Read my post again. I didn’t say it was right, just expected.

  • Tess

    Gergen wants a “JACK WELCH” type? My my, memories are short. Welch absolutely ruined a great American company. Does no one remember his perks of office?
    Yeah, THAT Jack Welch.

  • MrMike

    The shame of this is those repubs have a legitimate complaint. Stimulus money should go where it can do some good, not in some political hack’s pocket to dole out to loyal minions. Only problem is Bush has destroyed the brand to the point that nobody listens to them.

  • MrMike

    Nobody accused Gergen of having a brain. He’s an opinion columnist.

  • Dawnelle

    I agree.

    They totally brought it on themselves but NOW they are shooting themselves in the FOOT with BAMBIBiscuits!

    That’s GOT to sting! (or it will soon)

    fools

    both sides (one so HUNG up on abortion they can’t see anything else and the other so hung up on PAY BACK they ended up with thug who will no doubt turn on them as well, as is being reported on daily with the bus)

    stupid fools

    BOTH

  • Strawberrybitch

    Don’t forget, Newt and the gang going after Bill for a blowjob instead of doing the peoples’ business. Now we have a real reason to go after president Bush and hold him accountable, but we won’t because we’re spineless. On no, we might look like we’re playing a tit for tat game….wahhhhh! Gawd. We’ve become a nation of sad, pathetic whiners. Everybody gets away with everything because no one want to rock the boat.

  • wodiej

    only 3% of the pork spending package would be spent this year….3%

  • Mel’s Bar

    On my local news this morning, it was said mortage defaults are now increasing due to lay offs, those who had A quality papaer unable to pay due to lack of work.

    This is worrisome; I wonder if they’ve incorporated it into their planning, and developed a contingency?

  • Mel’s Bar

    Actually, I was sad to learn about that, the mall a mess due to the haphazard way its space has been allocated.

    I hope, at some point, they are able to clean it up, a reflection of the nations subconscious abilty to organize chaos, if you really want to examine it.

    I wonder how much it would have cost?

    And while I do see the need to provide for essentials, I do hope wiser heads prevail at some point.

    It does provide jobs, btw, for the planners, and the workers, all the way down, so, in that context, it still fufills the criteria for an economic stimulus.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    vincep1974 – you and the stupid congressman who put Blago’s name in the bill are both acting like childish playground bullies. The man has been reduced to nothing already and you are not satisfied. All because Obama didn’t get the person he wanted in his vacated seat. He resigned early so that his chosen one could be seated in time to give a yes vote and Blago stopped the action by appointing an honest person to fill the vacancy. And the ambitious thugs in the Illinois congress are ready to bury him to further their own agendas. Lt. Gov. Quinn and Lisa Madigan and her father are beside themselves over this thing. And after they succeed in getting rid of Blago they’ll start fighting each other. Where is Mrs.O’Leary when we need her? This so-called stimulus has no stimulus in it. It just pours good money after bad and gives ACORN more funds to squander. Worry about ACORN getting their hands on more money, don’t worry about poor Blago.

  • jwrjr

    Your last two sentences are something that Reagan didn’t understanf, bush didn’t understand, and BHO doesn’t understand.

  • tek

    Vince: I’ve thought this for awhile. It’s the good cop/bad cop thing. I can see already that the Obama Dems will go the way of the Bush Republicans. So far, Kerry, Kennedy, Durbin, and Pelosi are trying to guide legislation and policy to benefit and promote their Catholic religion. All the pork, family-planing or otherwise, should not be in this stimulus bill. Keep it up guys, you’ll lose the Dem base.

  • tek

    Vince: amen to that. If you want to talk about rights and fairness Rod is not your subject. This guy has hurt everyone in the state. He’s barking mad to boot. They’re impeaching him to raise taxes?

    I think he’s making a big stink hoping he’ll get a book contract. All he cares about is money.

  • Katmoon

    It has been mentioned the government will bail out the newspapers- not good for a “democracy”. The reporter mentioned the alternative was worse, not having newspapers, no thought tot he fact there are other means these days to get news, as in the internet. I don’t have it in for newspapers, but ever since the Gannett take over beginning in the 70′s, you can see where the problem began.
    Now, only the little local paper holds my interest, because it is all about the community, and it is a community business I can support.
    If the gov bails out the newspapers, they will have to include a new agency; The Ministry of Control over Freedom of Speech.

  • tek

    Lee M: why don’t get off Vince and the city of Chicago? You don’t know what you are talking about. You just hate Obama and it colors your view. I don’t like Obama, but he is not Chicago. I love Chicago, it’s a great city. Just as every American is not guilty of all Bush’s crimes, every Chicagoan or Illinoisan should not be punished for Blago’s crimes or Obama’s disgusting behavior.

    If you think Presidents and other high officials don’t have anything to say about appointees in their states, grow up.

  • tek

    But what about all these green manufacturing jobs? Hillary had the plan for that, not just renovating the infrastructure, but new job creation by manufacturing green products. We could certainly run China off the map with that, it’s the most polluted country in the world.

  • tek

    Winston: LOL!

  • Katmoon

    It wasn’t easy for me to say Vince, as it can’t be easy having him for your Governor; I get the whole deal about the Gov., my point was more to the fact of our national stimulus package (note national) is not a forum for a state political issue; the state financial issue yes, I agree, don’t let him get his hands on the money; the remarking of his name is IMHO very unprofessional, and unhealthy. It smacks of an immaturity, with a little shadow of intimidation added. Let the state do that, it is for the state to do so, not our national government nor our president; that’s by gist.

  • tek

    Penn: yes, I read O is already recruiting people and launched his re-election campaign before he ever took office. That’s what his head honcho does well, they did that after his Senate victory. I got an e-mail asking me to volunteer for grassroots work to get him re-elected! I replied that I’m for Hillary and don’t ask me again.

  • tek

    Gergen is truly bipartisan–supports whoever is in power. Sort of like the scam Carville and Matalin have going.

  • alibe

    I couldn’t believe my ears when Gergen begged for a “Jack Welch” to oversee the stimulus package. He said his name twice. JACK WELCH! The epitome of why we are in this mess. A man of questionable morals, and an even worse business plan. He set the table for the trouble GE is in today…and this country. He is the last man I would put in place. I do think a CZAR might be a good idea, but is there an honest man or woman around who would take this impossible task? Besides, we need someone who has no experience, no qualifications and can just talk a good game. Hopefully it would be a man so he could avoid being scrutinized.

  • susan h

    Obama wants to run the country as though he were ruler of the land. He does not see it as a government OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. It is for HIS PLEASURE AND HIS BEING THE CHOSEN ONE, and isn’t he great?! I am already sick of hearing his voice come through the radio whenever I walk by it at work. He will be saying something at the Super Bowl (which I will not be listening to). This is NOT Saudi Arabia or North Korea where we have to listen to instructions from our leaders. Mr. Obama does not have any right to tell us what we should be doing or thinking or saying.

    If he wants “transparency” he should start by UNSEALING his records of birth, citizenship, college, law school, applications, and letting the American people know if he is a legitimate president or did he break the Constitution knowingly and willfully by lying about his background? He had his ‘honeymoon’ during the primary and this past year when the media kissed and sainted him instead of exposing all his deceptions and lies. I pray that there are some honest journalists out there willing to tell the truth about Obama so that he can be held acountable to an honest standard. If not, the country will definitely suffer and democracy and our Constitution will never be the same.

  • Texas Playwright

    Obama is a crook. Crooks of a feather do crooked things together. Massive financial cheating in the campaign, massive financial cheating in the installment of the fascist fraud. Count on it.

  • Docelder

    Lets not also overlook how weak and corrupt the impeachment trial left our nation in the eyes of our enemies. It gave our enemies a boost in moral justification, if only through rationalization to attack us on 911. The last thing we need right now is for us to trash our own name and reputations again in the eyes of the world and our enemies. Obama should make it a point and instruct his cabinet to strike the words “the last eight years” from their vocabularies. If they can’t say something without prefacing it with “the last eight years”… then don’t say it at all. If we might do just this much, then we might just pull this nation out of a tailspin. And, Obama could be the hero.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    THe charges were Perjury.. And Bill did committ Perjury.

    In court

    For Sexual Harassment.

    I never understood this about you folks… especially since SH was one of CLinton’s causes.

    That you many of you turn a blind eye to his corruption of the court system, I think isn’t right.

    But as far as I”m concerned that’s ancient history and should stay in the past.

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  • Docelder

    what about all these green manufacturing jobs?

    Makes you wonder doesn’t it? Do the dems in charge actually even believe in what they have been saying? Would they be willing to “eat their own dog food”? From the looks of it probably no. I still remember when the speaker had to get a bigger private jet… because the private jet she had fuel tanks that were too small.

  • Docelder

    There needs to be some federal provision that if your non-profit is found guilty of what would be a crime under federal statutes, then it would preclude that group from ever again receiving federal funds of any kind.

  • Oisafraud

    Anyone who voted for this package should be voted out of office in the next election. Period!

  • Park Slope Pubby

    I truly believe that this entire stimulus package is just pay-off money. Chicago comes to DC. Obama is a would-be dictator, and he’s lining up the money he needs to take over the government. Be very afraid.

  • I Just Don’t Get It

    Obama has so many people to pay off in bribes that we, the taxpayers, will be buying his “selection” for the next twenty years. This is pathetic. The pork filled POS “stimulus” package is nothing but repaying Obama’s promises.

  • carr50

    Monica persued Bill (by her own admittance), so if anyone would be guily of sexual harassement, it would be Monica.

  • athena

    That is what I told my lesgislators……I voted for you, now you go and vote “no” for me….

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/01/21/VI2009012101557.html?sid=ST2009012101096 trixta

    “Lets not also overlook how weak and corrupt the impeachment trial left our nation in the eyes of our enemies.”

    I disagree. The world didn’t care about this extramarital affair. That’s why the UN gave Bill a standing ovation when he spoke to the Assembly during the impeachment hearings, etc.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/01/21/VI2009012101557.html?sid=ST2009012101096 trixta

    MrMike–But isn’t what you describe trickle UP economics, i.e. the laboring classes spending money earned, thereby spreading the wealth upward, if not horizontally, to the economy at large?
    As I understood it, the Reagan trickle down model gave money to the rich (via tax breaks) and to big business in the hopes these sectors would spend, therefore spread the wealth in a downward fashion.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/01/21/VI2009012101557.html?sid=ST2009012101096 trixta

    Acorn has become part of Obama’s Civilian Army.

  • UKforDems

    It is not it is a lie. The rumour started not do far from this site at $75 million and then grew! Now like other lies that spring from here – this has spread across the hard right blogs like crosses on fire. There is not a shred of truth.

    Here is the full bill.

    You can of course contradict me by pointing to a page and reference.

    http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf

  • grayslady

    I live in Illinois, too. My comment has nothing to do with impeachment–it has to do with the charges brought by Patrick Fitzgerald. The impeachment is neither here nor there to me. Bill Clinton was impeached and remained President. Until and unless Blago is removed from office, he is still the Governor of Illinois, with all the privileges, rights and limitations that position contains. It is totally inappropriate for a Federal bill to try to deny him his rights, especially since I suspect this bill was drafted before impeachment proceedings began.

  • Wisewoman

    I notice how every one of you repubs say “Bill Clinton committed perjury”. Why don’t you say “Bill Clinton committed perjury regarding sex with Monica (not oral sex) because he was ashamed for his wife and country to find out.” That puts it in proper context. Then nearly every man or woman on the face of the earth would say if I were in that situation I would do the same thing. He did not have sexual relations (penetrating sexual intercourse) with Monica. HELLO!!

  • Wisewoman

    Every time someone acts out of pure emotion (the good or bad kind) troubles ensue later. I lived in Illinois at one time. I can guarantee you that in future years you will be a sorry paralyzed state. Every time someone gets upset with a governor, they will holler impeachment to the detriment of the state. For this reason the legislature should allow the crimminal process to play itself out instead of jumping the gun. This has nothing to do with the guilt or lack of guilt of the governor. By this action, you are currently paving your road to a future hell.

  • Palin/Hannity_’12

    Obama is still getting his honeymoon from the liberal media. This is shameless. His Treasury secretary is a tax cheat. His secretary of state is a petty political opportunist, his Attorney General supports pro-Iranian financiers, his wife hates this country, his pastor hates this country, he befriends terrorists, and he wants to bring socialism to this country. This is horrible.
    Thank you Larry for keeping up the good work and keeping the preasure on Obama and the Democrat party.

  • http://tojo toni

    There you go….unemployment solved! Everyone can just go work for Acorn. ;)

  • http://tojo toni

    I disagree with you. Obama’s secretary of state is a highly qualified person who should be in the oval office.

  • UKforDems

    House Republican Leader John Boehner reported:
    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109339

    The Democrat’s Job Creation” Bill Offers Taxpayer-Funded Bonanza for Organization Reportedly Under Federal Investigation

    Washington, Jan 23 – ‘The House Democrats’ trillion dollar spending bill, approved on January 21 by the Appropriations Committee and headed to the House floor next week for a vote, could open billions of taxpayer dollars to left-wing groups like the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). ACORN has been accused of perpetrating voter registration fraud numerous times in the last several elections; is reportedly under federal investigation; and played a key role in the irresponsible schemes that caused a financial meltdown that has cost American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars since last fall.
    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=105033

    Wow so you have pushed the lie up even more. I first saw $75 million, then $4 billion, now $5. With no evidence. The only ACORN sources you have are the racist right blogs anda scare story from Republicans that the bill “could” give money to somebody like ACORN. Do you now believe every far right talking point?

  • UKforDems

    Palin and Hannity in 2012? Oh absolutely. Bring it on.

  • OG

    Hoping so. Thanx Susan.

  • Mindy

    As this freak protects him on the package.Obama is a fraud and not a NBC..He needs to be taken out in balls and chains.

    http://www.plainsradio.com

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/30/whaaaaaaaaat-msnbcs-david-shuster-calls-obama-hypocritical/ [Update] Whaaaaaaaaat?!?!! MSNBC’s David Shuster calls Obama “hypocritical”? : NO QUARTER

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