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Reason for Optimism . . . Market Moving Development!!!!

(bumped up by Susan – this is a hot story)

In the midst of the discussion on nationalizing parts of our banking industry, I am hearing increasing banter of the likelihood that the Obama administration will launch an “Aggregated Bad Bank.” Perhaps I am too literal, but if this initiative is launched and works as hoped, I would recommend a name change. Let’s use “Bank Transition.” Ultimately, the name is less important than the implementation and effectiveness of this entity, but being a positive person and optimist by nature, the term “bad” does nothing for me.

How might this entity work? Why is it a good and necessary development? What might it cost? Why wasn’t this move made by Paulson and team? Does this mean we can finally go back to the good old days of the last 5 years? So many questions. Let me try to clarify and offer my opinions.

1. How might this entity work?
As I have referenced previously, I always focus on an entity’s mission and funding. “Bank Transition” would most likely be managed by Sheila Bair of the FDIC. It would be mandated to purchase “toxic assets” (primarily distressed CDO (collateralized debt obligations) assets backed by an array of loans…mortgages, credit cards, auto, manufactured housing, commercial mortgages, corporate loans, and credit default swaps). It would be funded via the issuance of FDIC or FDIC-like bonds. Don’t be surprised to see a separate name used, such as “Transition Bonds,” which would have an explicit government guarantee. These bonds would probably have a few different maturities (1yr, 3yr, 5yr) to provide a degree of financial flexibility for this entity.


Bank Transition as THE buyer, and currently the ONLY buyer of SIZE of these assets, will be able to establish the market price for these assets. How will it do that? Let’s take a virtual walk into the offices at Citi Holdings (the newly established “bad” bank for assets and divisions that Citi looks to sell). Make no mistake that this entity, Citi Holdings, and Citibank as an entire entity are working in total sync with the government right now. The assets from the SIVs (structured investment vehicles) that held these “toxic assets” at Citi are moved into Citi Holdings at some price. Let’s say for argument purposes that price is 20 cents on the dollar. The price is being set by people at the bank and the government as the precursor for buying more like assets from other institutions.

Don’t think for a second that the transferral of assets and price has not already been communicated to the powers that be at Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and JP Morgan. While all of these toxic assets are not homogenous, there are plenty of sharp minds on “the street” (colloquial term used to describe the banks) and within the government to make “relative value” assessments between different bonds.

As a sidelight, it is ridiculous to think that senior management at Bank of America was not fully aware of Merrill Lynch’s toxic positions, valuations of those positions, and expected further writedowns as they proceeded with their purchase of that firm. They certainly knew all that information, as did the government which pushed for and encouraged that marriage. While John Thain made plenty of bad PR moves, he only joined Merrill in late 2007. IMO, he is being unjustly tarred and feathered. His aggressive moves at Merrill in 2008 actually saved a fair amount of value within that organization. What is being reported in the press does not strike me as an accurate representation of what likely truly occurred. Pardon my digressing from the topic at hand.

2. Why is the establishment of Bank Transition good and necessary?
Very simply, unless and until banks are able to clear their books of these assets, they can not and will not lend in a proactive and vibrant fashion because they need to continually set aside more and more capital as reserves against losses on these assets, as well as losses on individual loans that are not held in securitized form. Even with Bank Transition, they will need to set aside more capital as chargeoffs on loans increase. However, without the further burden of these toxic assets, they will be able to start to lend somewhat more freely. As lending increases, then and – in my opinion, only then – will we begin to develop some degree of real stabilization in the housing market and the economy.

3. What might it cost?
The $64,000 question. I would “guesstimate” the government will announce that Bank Transition will be initially capitalized with perhaps $300 billion dollars. If that funding is put in place over a 6 month time frame, we should expect regularly scheduled auctions of 1yr, 3yr, and 5yr maturity bonds of 15-20 billion in size. Is that all the funding that will be needed? Likely not, but the game plan for Bank Transition is not to hold these assets forever, but to attract private capital into the process. While Bank Transition would ultimately run competitive auctions to sell these assets, the hope would be that by establishing a price that Bank Transition is willing to purchase and hold to maturity IF NEED BE that private capital will come into the market.

4. Why wasn’t this move undertaken by the Bush-Paulson team?
You can rest assured that with Bush and Paulson now out of the picture, they will be the poster boys for not being more aggressive in fixing this mess. While Bush and team could have done plenty of things better, in my opinion they could not have implemented this Bank Transition on their watch. Why? Remember that it was only a mere 4 months ago that Lehman Brothers failed. The government’s allowing that failure can and will be debated for years. I am not going to debate that here. Given that it occurred, it precipitated a significant decline in asset valuations which led to the erosion in value across the economy and the banks. That erosion in value brought Citi to its knees and the government into the position of calling the shots there. That presence and the leverage it gives the government to wrest control of the toxic assets at other institutions is where we are currently. While the last 4 months have been torturous, and for many seem like 4 years if not 4 decades, in economic and market terms 4 months is a VERY short time frame. The government would not have the current leverage over Citi and other banks if the market itself had not brought Citi to its knees.

5. Does this mean we can go back to the good old days of the last 5-10 years?
Don’t bet on it. On a going forward basis, credit will be priced on a more judicious and prudent basis. Down payments, income checks, rigorous credit reviews, thorough analysis of assets and liabilities. All the procedures which never should have been neglected.

While this Bank Transition is still “behind the scenes” and can be faulty in design and execution, the markets this morning are looking forward, believe some form of it will occur, and are pricing it in.

Last but not least, while the Obama stimulus plan is getting a lot of attention, that plan pales in comparison to the impact that a successful implementation and execution of Bank Transition means for our future. I view the spending programs in the stimulus plan as more a means of Obama promoting his agenda. Our economy does need capital, liquidity, and stability. Bank Transition, if properly implemented and executed, will mean more than the stimulus.

Please understand that all of the thoughts and opinions in this piece are purely my instincts based upon my experience. Please also understand that if Bank Transition is enacted, the implementation and execution will take considerable time and we will likely continue to see significant layoffs and economic pain. More banks will fail and businesses close if they do not possess real staying power and liquidity to service their debt. I could be totally wrong, but for the first time in a while I think there is “Reason for Optimism.”

LD

  • MrMike

    5. Does this mean we can go back to the good old days of the last 5-10 years?
    Don’t bet on it. On a going forward basis, credit will be priced on a more judicious and prudent basis. Down payments, income checks, rigorous credit reviews, thorough analysis of assets and liabilities. All the procedures which never should have been neglected.

    Nobody saw this coming when Mitsubishi Motors almost went under and cut back to one shift production some years back. The problem was they were selling new cars to anybody with two dimes to rub together in their pocket.

    • Katmoon

      Actually they have also added in the ARIA, a criminal background check as standard.

  • lark

    but for the first time in a while I think there is “Reason for Optimism.”

    Not so fast buster. But yes I agree with optimism of the second kind or third kind.

    Lets say as you say that a transition bank can place stupidity aside and lay a price for it. Enough said.

    Yes, the Bush administration couldn’t do the transition bank scheme because it would not pardon stupidity otherwise know as pardoning the debt of those in debt.

    I see the value of the transition bank, it is valuable but only if the toxic debt is bought and sold within a prescribed period. I don’t agree with holding assets until some illusory future profitable time. IOW, assets need to go back into the market.

    I would say the bidding system would work if bidders are allowed to bid ahead of time on the assets and the transition bank buys the assets and places an administrative fee on top of it to pay for the interest on the bonds.

    What I don’t agree is for the transition bank to buy assets on a formula, like you said, 20 cents on the dollar. The buyback price must reflect a true economy. That means a going market price. The only way to have a going market price is to know what buyers are willing to pay for the assets. So buyers would register with the transition bank, bid on properties or bad debt and have the bank buy it for them. Then they would arrange to transfer the title of the equity after the bank clears a fee – a substantial fee for the transaction process. That way everyone could theoretically bid to put their hands on toxic debt.

    Last but not least. The good thing in my mind about the Transition Bank is that MBA’s will finally get the opportunity to act what they have learned in their MBA’s without having to sell their souls to their masters. Maybe. Because people like to sell their souls. The devil is rich with the souls of MBA’s.

    • athena

      RTC’s anyone.

      • LD

        Athena…correctomundo…RTC ended up costing the government approximately $125 billion …not sure what this will ultimately cost but the RTC is the model.

    • Just Me

      I believe a very well thought out, well executed, “bad bank” program was successfully implemented by Sweden, sometime in the past, as a correction for its financial problems.

      Unless I am mistaken, they rightfully put the heaviest burden on the share-holders and management, who had enjoyed high-times and excellent earnings prior to the onset of bad practices, that created the need for reform.

      However, even if we did such reforms, I am sure we would not follow any such proven formula as the Swedish model. We would never put the blame where the blame lies, and heaven forbid that we would ever make the profiteers liable. Liability in our system seems to always fall to us the taxpayers/victims.

      One thing we can always count on is that if there is a way to screw something up, despite workable models, our politicians can be depended upon to do just that. Screwing it up, and screwing us in the process.

  • mountainaires

    Caution is in order:

    “Either there’s some sort of “gotcha” in the leaked plans and Steve Liesman and CNBC are being used as a stooge in the government to set up a rally on a false premise, OR this is a catastrophe “as implemented” down the road.”

    Read the full blog post with graphs at:

    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

    Douglas McIntyre:

    “…the value equation of how America’s largest financial firms pass their assets to the government is almost certainly going to work in the favor of the banks and against the interests of the Treasury.”

    http://www.247wallst.com/2009/01/a-new-attempt-t.html

    • lark

      I think what needs to be cautioned is who can buy the bonds. The bonds for the Transition Bank should also be sold to Americans. Enough of the selling of bonds to foreigners. Lets stop enriching foreigners with our richness.

      Yes, I am a protectionist if we talk about bonds. Bonds should be for the use of the nationals. Nationalism.

      • LD

        Lark,

        With all due respect, I totally disagree. Same response that I made below. If we restrict the buyers of our bonds, then we are cutting our nose to spite our face. All this means is that we will pay a higher price for the money. Who loses in that scanario? Us, the U.S. taxpayers. The more buyers of bonds (lenders, providers of capital) the better.

        • lark

          Well we have here a fundamental disagreement. I understand what you said, but is time for change. We need some sense of nationalism and it is here and now an opportunity to begin a national process of building our society by allowing us to benefit from an economy that is real and is local. Not some fancy economy made up of illusions.

          You asked in a previous thread or somebody was in favor of savings. That would bring savings back into our lives. Bonds restricted to citizens, for citizens. Some sense of national recovery and direction. Out with foreign capital when it comes to an initiative like Transitional Bank.

    • LD

      Thanks for sharing. These links do provide interesting insights.

      I do think there is a reasonable chance that the evolution of this Bank Transition will attract private capital which is ultimately what the market and economy needs.

      That private capital will purchase assets only if they believe the prices represent a reasonable risk/reward profile. If the prices are skewed toward the bank’s benefit, then private capital will not play.

      It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

    • athy

      LD
      Great article.
      mountainaires-excellent website links.
      Much food for thought.

  • lark

    One more thing. Foreign capital or foreigners as such defined should not be allowed to bid or buy assets from the Transition Bank, which is funded by American taxpayers, if those asset physically sit on American soil or are more than 50 percent owned by Americans. The Transition Bank should be a benefit to Americans and for Americans because is funded by Americans. It should not end up enriching Saudi’s or any other foreigners. Period. And if it is made so that foreigners can enrich themselves out of the goodness of the American people then I quit.

    • Touchet

      This won’t happen, because there is more money to be made overseas.

      Don’t you guys get what is happening? The government is slowly turning into a business. Thats right. Take every decision they make and equate it to big business, and viola, you have the recipe they use in making decisions. You might as well call politicians Political CEO’s or Better yet, just PEO’s..

      • Docelder

        The government is slowly turning into a business.

        Or is it that big business is slowly turning into government?

        • oowawa

          This is a turn of phrase that is well worth pondering. Thanks, Docelder.

      • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

        This is correct. And while LD’s ideas are spot-on, the tricky part would be to get government to relinquish control later on. It goes back to the issue of trusting government that we were discussing in a previous thread. This is why I don’t share LD’s optimism–it’s a philosophical rather than a technical issue.

        “When authority presents itself in the guise of organization, it develops charms fascinating enough to convert communities of free people into totalitarian States.” (“The Home Front”, The Times, London, Feb. 24, 1937.)

        (P.S.–I’m not normally so pessimistic–really! I’ve just read lots about Obama.)

        • Chris Martin

          So you can trust banks that failed but you can’t trust the government after they bail out the banks and save those institutions? Interesting.

          • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

            My bank didn’t fail.

        • cynic

          On the whole, I’ll trust a democratically elected government and its agencies and institutions far more than I trust any profit-motivated bank or business. By definition, the latter are only in it for the money. High-profile bad actors notwithstanding, there’s more than that to the government and our civil servants.

          Hey, if a promise by the government wasn’t backing my bank deposits via FDIC insurance, I’d have long ago turned my savings into junk silver stashed in the garden in mason jars.

          This isn’t to say there’s not a lot of room for governmental improvement.

    • LD

      Lark…I totally disagree. In order to have a fully transparent and competitive process which will help bring capital into the system we should welcome and invite capital from around the world. If foreign entities care to pay more for these assets, then it is U.S. taxpayers who benefit. By denying them the ability to participate then we will very likely not receive the highest bid.

      In any auction (toxic assets, foreclosed homes, baseball cards) the more bidders the better.

  • Sammie

    A bank of transition may help help alleviate much of the uncertainty that investors have been facing (too much of the government involvement to date has been arbitrary, leaving investors guessing as to what the government’s future actions or in-actions might be).

    As to going back to the good old days, let’s hope the banks (and regulators) have learned their lesson, and that basic underwriting guidelines won’t be ignored going forward.

    It is difficult to imagine that bank management failed to see the risk of allowing sub-prime loans to become such a large portion of the market, as allowing such unlimited growth seems counter to the basic concepts of risk management, regardless of the amount of risk their complex computations told them they were taking on.

    The analogy that comes to mind is of a bunch of meteorologists using broken instruments and faulty forecast models to predict sunny skies without ever bothering to look out the window to see the storm clouds gathering on the horizon. The bottom line is they should have known and should be held accountable.

    Bringing in new competent leadership (among the banks as well as the regulators and oversight committees) along with the creation of a bank of transition may be a good step in managing the crisis.

  • oowawa

    I’m financially naive, and I don’t have a dog in this fight, though I’m sure we will all suffer/enjoy the consequences of this action. There are going to be lots of financial gurus seeing reason for pessimism in this move. Who to believe? Ha Ha Ha. Here’s someone who sees very near term opportunities, followed by near term woe:

    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

    • oowawa

      Sorry. Didn’t notice mountainaires posted this link upthread.

  • lark

    Bringing in new competent leadership

    Taking a draw from Touchet’s analysis, that won’t happen either because pastors and preachers will not build morality with their congregants, as they themselves are tainted with turning church into a business. Making a parallelogram out of Touchet’s coments, You might as well call pastors Clergical CEO’s or Better yet, just XEO’s..

  • Sassy

    “pales in comparison”
    Whew, when I see an 825B package that will be 925B coming out of the Senate, I get a little pale…and queasy! LOL!

  • Patience

    I believe that effectively dealing with banks’ toxic assets is the best way to stimulate the economy. Period. This is what’s dragging down our economy. Businesses and individuals need access to credit to thrive. We’re seeing the effects right now of tight or near non-existant credit. It’s the root of the problem.

    The proposed near-1T dollar stimulus plan takes the wrong approach and seems to miss the mark in many ways. There’s too much “stimulus” spending in the hands of governemnt, which in many ways will [very slowly] play out as political patronage. Instead, we should first deal with the toxic asset/credit crunch — freeing-up credit alone should solve some problems quickly.

  • alibe

    Here is a link to story of the $432,000.00 “severance” package that Tim Geithner got from NY Fed Reserve Bank. And we wonder why we are in this deep mess. And then there is the rules by him for lobbyists and then he proceeded to hire a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs as his chief of staff. He gave him a waiver. I just know that change is on the way and the stimulus package, the porkapalooza, will work. NOT

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18074.html

  • Doc99

    Larry D, will this get the credit markets moving again?

    • LD

      Doc99…it should help because banks will not need to set aside as much capital as reserves against further writedowns on these assets. With that capital, they are then incentivized to increase lending. I do not necessarily think that the rates will come down much or quickly because the loans will only be made to qualified borrowers. That said, there are many qualified borrowers right now who are not getting access to capital.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        I do not necessarily think that the rates will come down much or quickly because the loans will only be made to qualified borrowers.

        Well, that’s not too encouraging. I just received my BofA Visa bill and the top of my head is ready to explode. As a long time customer, auto loan (almost paid, thank God and locked in at a low rate and a couple of cards always paid ahead of time and more than minimum), my Visa account just shot up to 22% and my payment almost doubled. I’m going to call them and have a hissy fit but since when are they listening to us?

        • Just Me

          According to reports I have heard and read, some from banker friends, credit card rates will soon rise to at least 32%, and mininum payments that were 2% will rise to 5 %.

          The credit card industry does not give a damn about the consumer, and will force many into bancruptcy.

          It should be remembered however that credit card debt is unsecured debt, and therefore harder for the issurers to go after you, so if you find yourself in a position of having to choose between paying credit card debt, as opposed to secured debt (even student loans), pay the secured debt first, and make the card companies come after you. Damn them!

          • cynic

            Banks are paying a hair over 1% on high-balance savings accounts, while raking in nearly 30% on outstanding credit card balances. It’s a wonder their share holders aren’t doing better. I suppose it’s the home loan defaults. If not, this might just be another scam-in-progress.

            • http://firefox AnnieCollier

              I want to thank my old party again for the low income housing regulations that allowed illegal aliens to buy, then walk away from, overpriced houses (3% of the foreclosures). Apparently BofA (just bailed out again) will make me pay for their error. And I thought I was being smart not taking my Realtor “friend’s” suggestion to get into a zero-down-pay-less than-your-rent-now-loan. Heck, no. Not only could I have saved on rent but lost out on free rent while I sat in the house without paying on the mortgage during foreclosure. Good grief. Everywhere you look, someone is ripping us off.

          • athy

            Just me…

            Let’s see…if this occurs, who can we thank for this?
            Who voted AGAINST a credit card interest rate cap-mind you-this is one of the few times that he cast a vote-other than voting ‘PRESENT’.

            Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out ” by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08

            http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

            EXCERPT

            CREDIT CARD INTEREST RATES:

            Obama has a way of ducking hard votes or explaining away his bad votes by trying to blame poorly-written statutes. Case in point: an amendment he voted on as part of a recent bankruptcy bill before the US Senate would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent. Inexplicably, Obama voted against it, although it would have been the beginning of setting these predatory lending rates under federal control. Even Senator Hillary Clinton supported it.

            Now Obama explains his vote by saying the amendment was poorly written or set the ceiling too high. His explanation isn’t credible as Obama offered no lower number as an alternative, and didn’t put forward his own amendment clarifying whatever language he found objectionable.

            Why wouldn’t Obama have voted to create the first federal ceiling on predatory credit card interest rates, particularly as he calls himself a champion of the poor and middle classes? Perhaps he was signaling to the corporate establishment that they need not fear him. For all of his dynamic rhetoric about lifting up the masses, it seems Obama has little intention of doing anything concrete to reverse the cycle of poverty many struggle to overcome.

  • mountainaires

    A little OT, but my head just exploded, so I’m not thinking clearly at the moment:

    You Won’t Believe What’s In That Stimulus Bill

    REVIEW & OUTLOOK
    JANUARY 28, 2009

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Yep, pretty sickening alright. If the Republicans and Blue Dog Dems don’t band together and knock this down, we’re doomed.

    • LD

      Mountainaires….well placed link. This si why I believe the stimulus plan is nothing more than a promotion of all the programs that the Democrats have wanted to promote over the course of a long time. Not that the Republicans do not have an entire set of their own issues.

      Bit of a joke, no??

      • Sammie

        LD, I agree with you 100% on the stimulus plan … I’ve been searching for articles on it for the past few days, looking for a really good analysis to explain exactly how it will “shock” or stimulate the economy and had found nada. I’ve concluded that much (not all) of it is a laundry list of programs from the Democrats’ wish list.

        It is a shame that they didn’t come up with a better program (and that they didn’t explain it better). I actually support many of the initiatives they want to fund, but just feel they don’t belong in a stimulus program.

        • cynic

          What’s left besides a stimulus approach?

          Bush & Company already pushed the interest rate so low that that particular tool is pretty much played out. The next step would probably have been to pay institutions to borrow money.

          I basically hate deficit spending. But look at what the Obama team have been left to work with:

          Past policy had already set up the next administration to walk in the door on the heels of the single worst episode of deficit spending in American history. Then, on the very eve of the 2008 elections, Bush appointees terrified America into handing over a $300 billion blank check. It was that, they told us, or imminent financial apocalypse. We were badly frightened and we bought it.

          With this act, they essentially set the course of the ship and locked the wheel just before they left the bridge. My cynical side suggests they may have deliberately pointed the ship toward an iceberg to hand the new administration an ship wreck. When the chickens come home to roost, they figured, it would be on the democrats’ watch. My cynical side suggests it might have been a scheme to set the stage for a return to power in 2012. (Maybe I should have gone with roosting sea gulls here, to avoid a mixed metaphor.)

          Anyway, now Obama is stuck with a stimulus approach. The piggy bank is empty, so deficits are inevitible. He has to work with borrowed money. (Probably borrowed by way of nothing more than a running printing press.)

          I’ll judge him by how effectively the deficit spending is targeted. I’ll support the spending that seems most likely to direclty stimulate the economy now, while buying the country something that will have the biggest pay off later. Investment in education, infrastructure, and 21st Century alternative energy technology seem best to me. It seems reasonable that the future pay off could be enormous.

          BTW, the Transition Bank concept seems very sound to me, though I confess that my understanding of economics is limited.

          • Sammie

            To be clear, I’m not against a stimulus package, I’m just not pleased with the one the Democrats put together or how they introduced and defended it.

            • cynic

              Sorry. I was reading someting in that wasn’t actually stated. I acknowledge the point you’re making about the package, too. Much tighter focus is needed. The test of each proposal item should focus on how effectively it stimulates now, and how big and how likely the returns will be in the future. We want the biggest bang for our borrowed buck.

    • Sammie

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310498020322323.html

      This is another WSJ opinion piece that indicates much of the spending will be in sectors where unemployment is low.

      • LD

        Sammie….you are all over it!! Well done.

        • Just Me

          I believe the average salary in the financial industry, which of course is the major beneficiary, is approx 110,000 to 120,000.

          And, as you stated Sammie, unemployment is low.

          We are being suckered to the max.

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  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    mountainaires: Wow, two heads exploding simultaneously! Thanks, Congress, Banking industry, and President Hussein.

  • Arabella Trefoil

    How does this compare with Hamilton’s creation of a national bank and using debt as an “asset”?

  • Sammie
    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Good ole George. He must have lost a billion somewhere along the line. He told congress that he came out of “retirement” to save his money. Guess he figures “retirement” doesn’t mean political manipulation and propping up a socialist candidate. I can’t seem to muster up any tears.

  • Chris Martin

    What about crossing the zero lower bound? In normal circumstances, monetary policy is effective. But are we in “normal” circumstances?

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    We all love the arts, birth control for the world, and all the above but not when the ship is sinking.

  • fiscalliberal

    Larry – lets assume they go forwar with the purchase of assets, whatever the system. The real question is, what is the long term life of the assets, i.e. how much of the remaining securites are is financialoly viable.

    The next set of questions is: How many assets are to be bought and of course what price. I suppose the number of assets to be purchased is moot as they are printing money and any quatity can be handled. So price is the real issue. Is there anybody in Treasury or available for hire that can determing fair price. To high, higher risk for taxpayer, to low, banks will not sell. There are auction mechanisms to determine ranges.

    So – I guess the real issue is: Is Geitner smart enough to manage this. He could not figure out his taxes!

    Any comment to agree or contridict?

    Other point. I went to the Senate Banking Committee and watched the Madow hearing. Came away totally unimpressed in terms of the two SEC women testifying. They were hidng behind pending prosecutions and being understaffed etc. Testimony indicated FINRA should have been more effective ( Mary Shapiro)

    Some how, it is hard to generate confidence

    • LD

      Fiscalliberal….

      Nobody can honestly say with any strong degree of certainty what the long term prospects for these assets truly is. Why? Simply because the value is totally dependedn ton the degree of defaults on the underlying loans. That level of default is largely dependent on the strength of the economy and everything that goes along with it and access to capital. We know that defaults are going up this year but where, when, and how do they start to level off. Those questions are all predicated on the economy stabilizing. The economy stabilizing is dependent on access to credit. Access to credit is dependent on the banks not having to continually set aside capital as reserves against rising defaults and toxic assets. The entire process is somewaht circuitous. Poorly underwritten loans given to irresponsible borrowers along with loans obtained through fraudelent means will definitely default. This Bank Transition will be implemented to help responsible borrowers get access to credit. It will not happen overnight but we have to start somewhere.

      How many assets will be purchased and what price?
      Well, we can start with the assets at Citi at a price that the government sets in conjunction with Citi representatives. Ultimately Citi has no choice in the matter but the price is VERY important because it becomes the point of departure in negotiating with the other banks. All the banks want to rid themselves of these assets and the CEOs know that they need to be involved in the process so the assets will definitely be moved. I have to believe that the government representatives and bank managers are also in discussions with funds, money managers et al who may have interest in purchasing these assets if they knew that there was an entity that could and would hold them if need be. The buyers have the same concerns about defaults. Thus Bank Transition serves not only to buy and then auction the assets but also to stabilize the economy. We only got to this point because the market brought the largest holder, that being Citi, to its knees.

      As much as I hold Mr. Geithner in disdain for not paying his taxes, the market and the banks do respect his intellect and ability to get this done.

      I agree that the reps from the SEC are not very inspiring, but then again that is what I think about most of the politicians as well.

      Good questions!!

  • Mel’s Bar

    I was wondering if you could offer an assestment of Geitner’s remarks regarding China, and currency manipulation?

    How does this affect the overall American economy, as, it appears, all things, even economic, are related?

    • LD

      Mel’s Bar….

      I actually wrote a piece on this just the other day, entitled Prisoner’s Dilemma. I am going to take the liberty to attach my work here at NQ. Not sure if you have read prior work or not so I apologize if I am being too forward.

      http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/author/ld/

      • Mel’s Bar

        For example, if the U.S. dollar lost half its value with no change in the prices of our exports and all other currencies in the world remained unchanged in value, then our country would

        benefit by manufacturers’ increased production of goods. We are starting to see the pursuit of this very goal and the promotion of currency devaluation around the world.

        That very scenario is the reason why newly confirmed Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner remarked a few days ago that the Chinese were manipulating their currency. Geithner and plenty others do believe the Chinese have intentionally kept the yuan too low in value in order to promote exports and overall growth.

        So, in effect, we are, or were, seeing an artifical picture of Chinese economic growth, then, price fixing only resulting in a temporary boost, until a greater market correction?

        Comparable to the apocryphal US growth fueled through the Wall Street shenanigans, the housing bubble?

        So, it appears the world economic picture (for the last eight years anyway), was built on smoke and mirrors.

        Do you blame this on NAFTA, (and such), or do you see it as “growing pains,” a part of implementing those agreements?

        And thank you…

        • LD

          Mel…One could equate it to smoke and mirrors but really all we are seeing is one MASSIVE margin call. That is, assets that were purchased with borrowed funds. Asset valuations have declined, lenders want borrowers to post more collateral.

          The free trade agreements promoted the free flow of capital and goods. The cheap labor overseas helped bring labor costs down and inflation along with it. As that occurred interest rates came down which made for cheap money which was borrowed too aggressively.

          Hope that helps.

  • Interested party

    The “bad bank” idea could work, but I’m skeptical on the way it may be implemented:
    1. As per KD at Market Ticker, the troubled assets are not being marked to market but to model. You suggested 20 cents to the dollar, is this what the model going to dictate? We know the market will fairly evaluate this assets, but will the model?
    2. Do we trust the people who are going to run the show, the FDIC, et.al.? Will they guardians of the public trust, or more insiders looking to safeguard interests of assorted equity holders? Geithner is (again) breaking Obama’s lobbyist pledges. This from Politico today:

    Newly installed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner issued new rules Tuesday restricting contacts with lobbyists – and then hired one to be his top aide.

    Mark Patterson, a former advocate for Goldman Sachs, will serve as chief of staff to Geithner as the Treasury Department revamps the Wall Street bailout program that sent an infusion of cash to his former employer.

    3. You mention the reestablishment of credit. Is this going to happen? Will the banks end up playing it safe and sitting on their now supposedly “good” assets? On the other side, the backbone of this economy has been consumer spending, but the amount of household income has not increased, and if anything is looking to head downward. How are consumer’s going to use credit, when given (correct) standards for borrowing, meeting qualifications for such credit will be difficult? The stimulus package – isn’t that another scheme with little or no return on investment? Does extending more credit to people who already in debt even make sense?
    A recovery on Sweden’s experiences in the early 90′s, just might work as part of an overall strategy (incidentally, Sweden’s government at the time was right-center), but it was hard medicine. Initially no one made out, and to make it succeed, as you have stated previously, it needed to be handled deftly.

    • LD

      Interested…these are all outstanding questions. In large measure there are no guarantees or certainties as to how this all plays out.

      A few comments.
      1. Throw the model out. The model is totally useless. Bank management will make the decisions and the governmetn has enormous leevrage over these institutions because most of these banks need the government for funding. The few larger banks that may not need the emergency funding still need to be involved in the market and Bank Transition will be the market.

      2. I believe that Sheila Bair will run this bank and she is a highly respected public official with unquestioned integrity.

      You can see my response to Fiscalliberal about my disdain for mr. geithner on the tax issue but the markets respect his intelelct and aptitude for executing this sort of plan.

      3. In regard to borrowing and lending, in time both os these should pick up. It is a circuitous process but banK transition should facilitate a return to a healthy economy over time. Again, we are not talking months we are talking a few years.

      I view the stimulus more as a political program to further agendas than as having enormously stimulative effects on the economy. I mean $850bln will provide one heck of a jolt but will it provide a great return on money invested. I doubt it.

      All good questions.

      • Interested party

        Sorry, I don’t trust Obama or any of his financial crew… but I’d be happy to be proved wrong. :shock:

        For anyone who cares about the Swedish approach, here’s this link via Patrick.net:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/business/worldbusiness/23sweden.html?_r=1&ref=patrick.net
        Happy reading.

      • lark

        banK transition should facilitate a return to a healthy economy

        This morning when the column started I had some optimism as I contemplated the general rubric that toxic debt purchasing could do what LD supposed it would. Now after the day is over and I read most of your entries and LD’s defense I think transition bank will be what puts us under. Why? I can see nothing but corruption and shenanigans and Obama laughing is a*s off in contempt with his socialism plan coming out of his pocket and his sermons that we are bad people and we deserve loosing every penny we have.

        I view the stimulus more as a political program to further agendas than as having enormously stimulative effects on the economy. I mean $850bln will provide one heck of a jolt but will it provide a great return on money invested. I doubt it.

        LD I agree. I am right now depressed. I didn’t think this morning I was going to feel depressed this evening. I think you can apply that rubric too, exactly as you have written it to your idea of the transition bank. I think the U.S. economy is toast. Period. We will sink probably another 2000 points in the dow or more. I am thinking depression real and dirty. Maybe buying a gun is making sense again. We may be facing riots and criminal upturn.

        Now that I have written the word criminal I’ll ask you this question: Do you think the transition bank is something that end up saying ‘crime pays’?

        • LD

          No I do not.

          Bank Transition will very likely be modeled after an entity known as resolution Trust Corporation which was formed in the late 80s to clean up the savings and loan mess.

          The RTC was fairly successful and has stood the test of time.

          I would strongly encourage you to review the RTC before getting overly depressed.

          • lark

            I know that the Savings and Loan scandal was very different. If I recall the problem related to large real estate deals. Very different.

            2. You say not. But look, you hurray the new administration because the market was up yesterday. Today is back down. Why? Because the rumor of the so called Transition Bank have been considered and those in the know know that the issue is mindboggling because of the potential for destruction too of what is right for capitalism also. IOW, one can hurt the good by trying to extract the bad. Just like prostate surgery, no?

            You were kind of giddy that Obama can do what Bush couldn’t because, oh well, time pressures. But I think now that actually Bush knew that as much as he had hurt capitalism with his socialistic let-downs, he knew he couldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. He wouldn’t forgive and let forget the evil (disgrace) that those CEO’s brought to everyone of our citizens.

            The market has to pay. The wrongdoers have to pay. We need all to pay. We need to pay, pay big if necessary in order that the pain may teach us the right lesson and may prevent us from continuing to sliding down to the pit of hell. Amen.

  • mountainaires

    This doesn’t engender much confidence in their “aggregate bank” proposal. It seems to me like we’re just throwing money at the wall and hoping it sticks. I’m mostly clueless on economics, which I readily admit, so I thank LD for being here, and I read his replies and the comments, since others are obviously more knowledgeable than I am. Thanks LD.

    Time magazine looks at the TARP, and does some quick number crunching.

    Since the Tarp was jammed through in October, Treasury has invested $165 billion into the nation’s eight largest banks.

    Those same financial firms are now worth $418 billion less than they were four months ago. CBO calculates the taxpayer’s preferred shares are worth $20 billion less.

    The government’s annualized rate of return on its investment in the nation’s largest banks is -1,096%.

    Time snarkily notes even Bernie Madoff only lost 100%!

    Source:
    Why Your Bank Is Broke
    Stephen Gandel
    Time, Jan. 29, 2009
    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1874702,00.html

    via:

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/bailout-rate-of-return-1096/

    • lark

      What LD wants is to be rescued even if the rescue ship could be hit by a torpedo. No LD. I am not against you being rescued. But you have a life jacket. I would just make sure that we throw a shark repellent in the water and allow the enemy submarine to be sunk before having the rescue ship throw you a line.

      • LD

        Lark,

        I do not know why you look to personalise any of my responses. I wish that you could merely accept my responses as being honest, genuine, and respectul based upon my experience.

        I have no problem with your disagreeing with anything and perhaps everything I say or write.

        I do not know you, your background, nor your personal business. Nor do I care. You do not know mine, either. I do not know why you may think that I would write in a disingenuous fashion.

        I wonder why I respond at all. Said with all due respect.

        LD

        • lark

          I will have to say sorry. I don’t know why you feel disrespected by that analogy. Is just an analogy. It doesn’t mean anything as far as I’m concern, personal. It is only to think in those terms and to step aside from thinking that what you said is firm.

          You say things, and I read them as your opinion. I know you don’t write about me but about the economy. But your choices are geared as to affect everyone. So I take them as a proposition that has an effect.

          I don’t mean any disrespect since I know you do everything in good will and have no ulterior motive. It is a big sacrifice on your part to help us understand our present condition. I admire you and everyone else that participates in this forum.

          I meant no offense. I thought you would be offended. The personalization is just a literary way of calling for your attention. Just like Uppity Woman wrote her last article addressing it to Obama. It is simply a style to call for the attention of the intended audience. No harm intended. I do not wish for you to feel threatened. I apologize. My fault completely. My bad habit of making my points in a way to connect with your emotions. I feel embarrassed because it is a liberty I took without permission. I am totally without excuse. It was wrong. I was out of line. Make no mistake. I should stick to what I know and stop the clowning around. If I could take it all back I would, but like Blago I can’t. I would say that I think you know what you are talking about and I don’t. People should pay more attention to what you say in the first place because you study things carefully before publishing. You are a wonderful person. My bad.

          BTW, I always win myself that type of response. It must be because I am sort of a bully. My psychological problem. My way of pushing people away. My way of isolating myself. My way of acting my shortcomings.