Comments on: Getting Obama Supporters in Touch with Reality http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/ Thu, 24 May 2012 16:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: touchet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-123976 touchet Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:43:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-123976 larry, how old are you anyway. Do you have any idea the amount of change the clintons brought to us? larry, how old are you anyway. Do you have any idea the amount of change the clintons brought to us?

]]> By: touchet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-123956 touchet Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:20:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-123956 I agree with the above poster and article. He will be torn a part in a general election. Why? Because his arguement are flagrantly illusional. Is he all of sudden gonna change from the canidate of hope and love, walking through the tulips, to refuting arguements based on the same type of thinking? The press is so blatantly playing obama to get him nominated by manipulating idealistic young and ignorant voters, its disgusting. After the primary, when obama emerges, you will see him fall like a hot patato. All I am asking, is too ask yourself one question. Why would multi-million dollar corporations like news medias and campaign supporter, give a revolutionary idealistic canidate their support when he has openly said that he will fight them? Do you think all his money comes from all those young people who are poor and can't afford college? He is being used to give the reublicans a fighting chance in the next election. I agree with the above poster and article. He will be torn a part in a general election. Why? Because his arguement are flagrantly illusional. Is he all of sudden gonna change from the canidate of hope and love, walking through the tulips, to refuting arguements based on the same type of thinking?

The press is so blatantly playing obama to get him nominated by manipulating idealistic young and ignorant voters, its disgusting. After the primary, when obama emerges, you will see him fall like a hot patato.

All I am asking, is too ask yourself one question. Why would multi-million dollar corporations like news medias and campaign supporter, give a revolutionary idealistic canidate their support when he has openly said that he will fight them? Do you think all his money comes from all those young people who are poor and can’t afford college? He is being used to give the reublicans a fighting chance in the next election.

]]> By: rugger9 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101711 rugger9 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:09:28 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101711 Larry's right about many things, and I can add this to the list (full disclosure, I'm for Edwards now that Dodd dropped out). I'd prefer Richardson to Obama, given his real experience, but am concerned with whether the close HRC triangulation exposure rubbed off or his NM duties have reset his inner compass. Obama talks in generalities, not specifics. While that leaves a lot of wiggle room for policy realities later (see what happened to 41 on "no new taxes"), I question the lack of even an outline as a starting point. Combine that with who Obama has chosen as his friends in this and the resulting picture isn't pretty. In addition to the oppo research Rove [who is far more trouble outside of government than in it] and his swiftie allies (who are quietly building their war chests again - DBA Swift Boat Vets of Vietnam) are certainly doing, doesn't anyone find it curious that the states where crossovers are permitted (like Iowa and NH) the "independent" vote breaks for Obama? It's not like Rove would send his minions to tilt an election, would he? It's why I would consider the higher D turnout to be part-real but part-political shenanigans by the Rs. The press desertion of the formerly inevitable Clinton juggernaut for Obama reeks of gamesmanship of this kind. While totally unscientific, the Thom Hartman show does weekly straw polls from their DFL base, and consistently Edwards wins by wide margins, which tells me that the progressives prefer Edwards over Obama or HRC of the "big three", and this is without the press attention Obama and HRC have had. The test therefore will be when no-crossover states vote, like CA. We'll know by Feb 7 if this is real. IMHO, the best outcome would be a convention fight. Larry’s right about many things, and I can add this to the list (full disclosure, I’m for Edwards now that Dodd dropped out). I’d prefer Richardson to Obama, given his real experience, but am concerned with whether the close HRC triangulation exposure rubbed off or his NM duties have reset his inner compass.

Obama talks in generalities, not specifics. While that leaves a lot of wiggle room for policy realities later (see what happened to 41 on “no new taxes”), I question the lack of even an outline as a starting point. Combine that with who Obama has chosen as his friends in this and the resulting picture isn’t pretty.

In addition to the oppo research Rove [who is far more trouble outside of government than in it] and his swiftie allies (who are quietly building their war chests again – DBA Swift Boat Vets of Vietnam) are certainly doing, doesn’t anyone find it curious that the states where crossovers are permitted (like Iowa and NH) the “independent” vote breaks for Obama? It’s not like Rove would send his minions to tilt an election, would he? It’s why I would consider the higher D turnout to be part-real but part-political shenanigans by the Rs. The press desertion of the formerly inevitable Clinton juggernaut for Obama reeks of gamesmanship of this kind.

While totally unscientific, the Thom Hartman show does weekly straw polls from their DFL base, and consistently Edwards wins by wide margins, which tells me that the progressives prefer Edwards over Obama or HRC of the “big three”, and this is without the press attention Obama and HRC have had.

The test therefore will be when no-crossover states vote, like CA. We’ll know by Feb 7 if this is real. IMHO, the best outcome would be a convention fight.

]]> By: Silver http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101462 Silver Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:59:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101462 If Obama is the nominee, I won't be voting Democrat either. As Joe Wilson says, "We've been down that road before." I've voted the Dem ticket for over thirty years, but not this time. Not only have I seen Hillary slimed in the media, but what was worse, watching her get such an unfair shake in the Democratic blogs. I can't figure out if all the folks at Huffington have Hillary-envy or Bill-envy. And since sexism isn't really a gay issue, Americablog has remained silent. And I finally had my fill at Crooks and Liars when I saw a picture of Hillary's face morphed into half Hillary and half Mitt Romney. I thought, "Gee, try doing that to Obama's face but twist it with Strom Thurmond's. Better yet, how about a Ku Klux Klan member, tee-hee, isn't that funny. Or let's make John Edwards face morph into half Edwards and half Laura Bush. That would support Anne Coulters "fag" comment. Dailykos thinks Iowa was so great and that the Democratic process is so great, and we'll all come together as Democrats. Bullshit. Bloomberg has hinted at a run for the Independent ticket if Hillary isn't the nominee on the Democratic side. It's almost a sure bet if Huckabee makes it on the Republican side. Hopefully, I'll get to vote for Bloomberg. If not, then I'll have to figure out which I dislike the least on the Republican ticket. If Bloomberg DOES run, then my guess is that there will be an exodus of Independents who will run in his direction. They're fickle that way. They think they're Independent, but they're really just crowd followers. They gave us Bush in 2004. Since the Independent numbers are the ones pushing Obama over the top, then the Obama fan club will probably deflate. That will leave the Dems all dressed up for a party but nowhere to go. If Obama is the nominee, I won’t be voting Democrat either. As Joe Wilson says, “We’ve been down that road before.” I’ve voted the Dem ticket for over thirty years, but not this time. Not only have I seen Hillary slimed in the media, but what was worse, watching her get such an unfair shake in the Democratic blogs. I can’t figure out if all the folks at Huffington have Hillary-envy or Bill-envy. And since sexism isn’t really a gay issue, Americablog has remained silent. And I finally had my fill at Crooks and Liars when I saw a picture of Hillary’s face morphed into half Hillary and half Mitt Romney. I thought, “Gee, try doing that to Obama’s face but twist it with Strom Thurmond’s. Better yet, how about a Ku Klux Klan member, tee-hee, isn’t that funny. Or let’s make John Edwards face morph into half Edwards and half Laura Bush. That would support Anne Coulters “fag” comment. Dailykos thinks Iowa was so great and that the Democratic process is so great, and we’ll all come together as Democrats. Bullshit.
Bloomberg has hinted at a run for the Independent ticket if Hillary isn’t the nominee on the Democratic side. It’s almost a sure bet if Huckabee makes it on the Republican side. Hopefully, I’ll get to vote for Bloomberg. If not, then I’ll have to figure out which I dislike the least on the Republican ticket. If Bloomberg DOES run, then my guess is that there will be an exodus of Independents who will run in his direction. They’re fickle that way. They think they’re Independent, but they’re really just crowd followers. They gave us Bush in 2004. Since the Independent numbers are the ones pushing Obama over the top, then the Obama fan club will probably deflate. That will leave the Dems all dressed up for a party but nowhere to go.

]]> By: Connie L http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101407 Connie L Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:39:35 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-101407 Larry, You are scaring me. I think the media is doing a better hit job than the right wing could ever do with Hillary. The old question Democrats need to ask themselves is if the candidate seems to good to be true, he probably is. I wonder if Rove is behind this whole mess, whispering sweet nothings into reporters ears. Larry, You are scaring me. I think the media is doing a better hit job than the right wing could ever do with Hillary. The old question Democrats need to ask themselves is if the candidate seems to good to be true, he probably is. I wonder if Rove is behind this whole mess, whispering sweet nothings into reporters ears.

]]> By: Titus Pullo http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100989 Titus Pullo Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:13:40 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100989 Last time I took LSD was in the late 50's, it was strange because I don't remember taking it. I was at a brothel in San Fran next thing you know, I'm w/ a prosti in a room w/ a big mirror and it almost seemed as if there was someone inside the mirror watching me. Which reminds of all the really good heroin I used to get in the early 80's. It was cheap and really, really good, someone said it was because it was from Afghanistan, not sure why that is though. I preferred cocaine in those days though, and lucky for me there was tons of high quality coke then, which came in rock form. The guy I got from said it was coming through in huge quantities from Nicaragua, not sure why that is though. But, yeah CIA guy, drugs are bad, mmmmmkay, don't be bad, mmmmmkay. Last time I took LSD was in the late 50′s, it was strange because I don’t remember taking it. I was at a brothel in San Fran next thing you know, I’m w/ a prosti in a room w/ a big mirror and it almost seemed as if there was someone inside the mirror watching me.

Which reminds of all the really good heroin I used to get in the early 80′s. It was cheap and really, really good, someone said it was because it was from Afghanistan, not sure why that is though. I preferred cocaine in those days though, and lucky for me there was tons of high quality coke then, which came in rock form. The guy I got from said it was coming through in huge quantities from Nicaragua, not sure why that is though.

But, yeah CIA guy, drugs are bad, mmmmmkay, don’t be bad, mmmmmkay.

]]> By: RalphB http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100870 RalphB Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:43:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100870 Amen to that. Count me out as a democratic voter as well. I'd much rather have McCain as president. At least, he's no newbie. Amen to that. Count me out as a democratic voter as well. I’d much rather have McCain as president. At least, he’s no newbie.

]]> By: Donovan Fraser http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100568 Donovan Fraser Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:34:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100568 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM McCain's gonna run on a "I don't care if we're in Iraq for 100 years platform? if I were his opponent, i would run this on a loop for the next 8 months. he'll be toast... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM

McCain’s gonna run on a “I don’t care if we’re in Iraq for 100 years platform?

if I were his opponent, i would run this on a loop for the next 8 months.

he’ll be toast…

]]> By: Donovan Fraser http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100561 Donovan Fraser Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:28:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100561 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM this add would be more effective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM

this add would be more effective

]]> By: Sandy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100517 Sandy Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:38:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100517 Excellent points, Kathleen. I'm convinced. It's Edwards. Yes! Excellent points, Kathleen. I’m convinced. It’s Edwards. Yes!

]]> By: Percy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100505 Percy Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:10:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100505 Not a tantrum....!!! Consider what your vote for Obama really means!!! He will not win the election. If so, we have to really wonder who is behind the Obama curtain. THat is what is really scary. Someone is, he didn't make it this far on his own...gauranteed! He is the bobble head. He is related to Dick Cheney, he get a memo from Karl Rove on how to beat Hillary, and LOOK at his voting record closely! Repubs knew it was going to be hard to beat the Dems this time so why not join them.. and control them. OR.... they are feeding Obama so they can mutilate him in the general election. He cries foul now? Oh my. So wake up Obama supporters! At LEAST show me all the reasons, subsance reasons why we should jump on the bandwagon? I want a Democrat who can actually make change and keep us safe..!! And I want us to KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE THIS TIME! Not make a mess of things and loose it. Please convince me of what I am not yet seeing in Obama? Not a tantrum….!!! Consider what your vote for Obama really means!!! He will not win the election. If so, we have to really wonder who is behind the Obama curtain. THat is what is really scary. Someone is, he didn’t make it this far on his own…gauranteed! He is the bobble head. He is related to Dick Cheney, he get a memo from Karl Rove on how to beat Hillary, and LOOK at his voting record closely! Repubs knew it was going to be hard to beat the Dems this time so why not join them.. and control them. OR…. they are feeding Obama so they can mutilate him in the general election. He cries foul now? Oh my.

So wake up Obama supporters! At LEAST show me all the reasons, subsance reasons why we should jump on the bandwagon?

I want a Democrat who can actually make change and keep us safe..!! And I want us to KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE THIS TIME! Not make a mess of things and loose it.

Please convince me of what I am not yet seeing in Obama?

]]> By: Percy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100496 Percy Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:03:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100496 This Hillary supporter is not going to vote for Obama. And it is not becuase I am a Hillary supporter. Obama just doesn't have the resume nor maturity to lead this country. I would support any democrat outside of Obama. Edwards is starting to wear on my last nerve though.... I am willing for the first time in my life to jump my party fence, and will. Too much is riding for our country and it scares me that peopole will follow Obama like Jim Jones. I am looking forward to the potential true Independent party launch! I am in! No Obama vote for me...and many others too. We deserve substance. This Hillary supporter is not going to vote for Obama. And it is not becuase I am a Hillary supporter. Obama just doesn’t have the resume nor maturity to lead this country. I would support any democrat outside of Obama. Edwards is starting to wear on my last nerve though….

I am willing for the first time in my life to jump my party fence, and will. Too much is riding for our country and it scares me that peopole will follow Obama like Jim Jones.

I am looking forward to the potential true Independent party launch! I am in! No Obama vote for me…and many others too. We deserve substance.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100479 Kathleen Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:41:01 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100479 I agree HRC has been endlessly targeted, Obama has had a free ride with the MSM and Edwards has been ignored. Fair and balanced? I don't think so! I agree HRC has been endlessly targeted, Obama has had a free ride with the MSM and Edwards has been ignored. Fair and balanced? I don’t think so!

]]> By: Mitchman http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100475 Mitchman Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:38:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100475 An Obama vs. McCain race would be sooo easy.. Youth vs. Old Guard, McCain would be crushed.. Remember there's a ton of Conservatives who can't stand McCain. Obama would win in a landslide vs. McCain - I really hope he is the Rep. Nominee. Visually there could not be a bigger contrast for the country to compare. An Obama vs. McCain race would be sooo easy..

Youth vs. Old Guard, McCain would be crushed.. Remember there’s a ton of Conservatives who can’t stand McCain. Obama would win in a landslide vs. McCain – I really hope he is the Rep. Nominee. Visually there could not be a bigger contrast for the country to compare.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1274/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100464 Kathleen Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:27:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/getting-obama-supporters-in-touch-with-reality/#comment-100464 Larry no need to mince words. Sure like your style. The Lovefest for Obama has been amazing. You have to wonder if Chris Matthews and others want the Republicans to win. I know some of the young marketing techno smart asses who worked on developing Obama's on line , cell phone spin machine. I wondered if it would work and it has. This "agent of change" horseshit is working. The Obama spin machine experts learned a great deal from the Republican Bush machine. Sell what you want people will buy it without checking the goods, the facts. Sounds good I'll buy it. Obama was so "bold" he has been absent for hundreds of pieces of legislation the last few years. He is such an "agent of change" he skipped town so he did not have have to take a stand on the warmongering Kyl LIeberman amendment which Senator Webb called "tantamount to declaring war on Iran". Real anti war actions out of Obama...HOG FUCKING WASH! Edwards is the only one who is actually "walking his talk" not taking PAC money! Edwards actually brought up the right wing neocons up during the debates. The only one to call them out by name. Edwards is committed to not having any lobbyist in his administration. He is the only one promising to not allow people who have lobbied for a foreign nation (Hello Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton, Cheney) in an Edwards administration. Aipac must be gunning for Edwards. I would love to have a woman or African American who is anti unnecessary war for President. Hillary voted for the Kyl LIeberman amendment OBama skipped town. I refuse to hold the fact that Edwards is a white male against him. He is walking the talk! Edwards for President! Larry no need to mince words. Sure like your style.

The Lovefest for Obama has been amazing. You have to wonder if Chris Matthews and others want the Republicans to win. I know some of the young marketing techno smart asses who worked on developing Obama’s on line , cell phone spin machine. I wondered if it would work and it has. This “agent of change” horseshit is working. The Obama spin machine experts learned a great deal from the Republican Bush machine. Sell what you want people will buy it without checking the goods, the facts. Sounds good I’ll buy it. Obama was so “bold” he has been absent for hundreds of pieces of legislation the last few years. He is such an “agent of change” he skipped town so he did not have have to take a stand on the warmongering Kyl LIeberman amendment which Senator Webb called “tantamount to declaring war on Iran”. Real anti war actions out of Obama…HOG FUCKING WASH!

Edwards is the only one who is actually “walking his talk” not taking PAC money! Edwards actually brought up the right wing neocons up during the debates. The only one to call them out by name.

Edwards is committed to not having any lobbyist in his administration. He is the only one promising to not allow people who have lobbied for a foreign nation (Hello Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton, Cheney) in an Edwards administration.

Aipac must be gunning for Edwards. I would love to have a woman or African American who is anti unnecessary war for President. Hillary voted for the Kyl LIeberman amendment OBama skipped town.

I refuse to hold the fact that Edwards is a white male against him. He is walking the talk!

Edwards for President!

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