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		<title>By: Live Free or Die and Other Thoughts on The Granite State &#171; Chris Tackett&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Live Free or Die and Other Thoughts on The Granite State &#171; Chris Tackett&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is how wrong the polls were in predicting the results in New Hampshire. You can find that coverage here, here or here or a thousand other places, I’m sure. The  average from all the major polls had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is how wrong the polls were in predicting the results in New Hampshire. You can find that coverage here, here or here or a thousand other places, I’m sure. The  average from all the major polls had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sometime-CIA-Defender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sometime-CIA-Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sign Wexler’s petition to impeach Cheney&lt;/blockquote&gt;Check.  May have accidentally signed it twice, heh.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Donate to an Iraqi orphanage…&lt;/blockquote&gt;We can do that?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think I’ll go watch the new American Gladiators…

Maybe it would be more entertaining if all the candidates were on it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yeah, or Chris Mat— er, nevermind. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sign Wexler’s petition to impeach Cheney</p></blockquote>
<p>Check.  May have accidentally signed it twice, heh.</p>
<blockquote><p>Donate to an Iraqi orphanage…</p></blockquote>
<p>We can do that?</p>
<blockquote><p>I think I’ll go watch the new American Gladiators…</p>
<p>Maybe it would be more entertaining if all the candidates were on it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, or Chris Mat— er, nevermind. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-104012</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people will be underestimated until they learn to act on their own.  Who they elect is but a small part of the democratic process.

You cannot expect anyone to do this for you. At the moment, everything could change with Bloomberg in the race. He could win or be another ego obsessed Nader, except he has billions and a tremendous organization.

Where&#039;s the beef the young [and other not so young] should be making about our disastrous media?

All the ranting and all the blogs cannot do this without organized unified effort.  Put your money where your mouth is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people will be underestimated until they learn to act on their own.  Who they elect is but a small part of the democratic process.</p>
<p>You cannot expect anyone to do this for you. At the moment, everything could change with Bloomberg in the race. He could win or be another ego obsessed Nader, except he has billions and a tremendous organization.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the beef the young [and other not so young] should be making about our disastrous media?</p>
<p>All the ranting and all the blogs cannot do this without organized unified effort.  Put your money where your mouth is.</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-104006</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your points are well taken, but you still remain helpless and cynical, angry and disappointed.  Put your mouth where your blogs are.  Get a group, or join one that exists that counter and limit some of the media intensity and rebel in order to hold them accountable.

We can write all the blogs we want. The media must be challenged by forming or joining  or creating group response in holding the media accountable for their disgraceful,incompetent and biased behavior.

How? By thousands, even millions of poeple through the internet or MoveOn to Take Them On.  Find out who NBC and CNBC&#039;s client sponsors are.  Email en masse that they are helping to destroy the democratic electoral process.  During the Kerry campaign in 2004 we ran a most effective campaign which forced Knight Ridder and other stations throughout the country to take the Swiftboat spots off their local stations.  Many. many did. Not soon enough, as Kerry&#039;s response [and subsequently ours] was too slow.

It was called: &quot;Stop Sinclair&quot; [Media co].  We threatened boycott of sponsors who allowed spots to be run on all local affiliates.

We are too passive, and the key to Obama&#039;s allure in spite of his aping of King and Kennedy without the background necessary is simple.

Young people are too lazy to do it themselves and organize rebellion against injustice,  They see and believe that they will get someone to do this for them.

Uniter?  No.  We the people can protest unfairness and at least make the networks take more responsibility.  They need audience numbers to survive, but our young and not so young don&#039;t know this.

I am white, but come from the political activism that changed much in America.  And BTW, Clinton was dead on when she so saliently pointed out that after Martin Luther King [who I marched with], the Civil Rights Act would never have come about when it did without Lyndon B. Johnson&#039;s making it a reality through conviction,passion, and hard work. Yes, all of this in spite of his disastrous role in Vietnam.

But misconstruing Hillary&#039;s instructive remark simply mirrors the ignorance our voters have of our history, and/or understanding the why and hows of realpolitik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your points are well taken, but you still remain helpless and cynical, angry and disappointed.  Put your mouth where your blogs are.  Get a group, or join one that exists that counter and limit some of the media intensity and rebel in order to hold them accountable.</p>
<p>We can write all the blogs we want. The media must be challenged by forming or joining  or creating group response in holding the media accountable for their disgraceful,incompetent and biased behavior.</p>
<p>How? By thousands, even millions of poeple through the internet or MoveOn to Take Them On.  Find out who NBC and CNBC&#8217;s client sponsors are.  Email en masse that they are helping to destroy the democratic electoral process.  During the Kerry campaign in 2004 we ran a most effective campaign which forced Knight Ridder and other stations throughout the country to take the Swiftboat spots off their local stations.  Many. many did. Not soon enough, as Kerry&#8217;s response [and subsequently ours] was too slow.</p>
<p>It was called: &#8220;Stop Sinclair&#8221; [Media co].  We threatened boycott of sponsors who allowed spots to be run on all local affiliates.</p>
<p>We are too passive, and the key to Obama&#8217;s allure in spite of his aping of King and Kennedy without the background necessary is simple.</p>
<p>Young people are too lazy to do it themselves and organize rebellion against injustice,  They see and believe that they will get someone to do this for them.</p>
<p>Uniter?  No.  We the people can protest unfairness and at least make the networks take more responsibility.  They need audience numbers to survive, but our young and not so young don&#8217;t know this.</p>
<p>I am white, but come from the political activism that changed much in America.  And BTW, Clinton was dead on when she so saliently pointed out that after Martin Luther King [who I marched with], the Civil Rights Act would never have come about when it did without Lyndon B. Johnson&#8217;s making it a reality through conviction,passion, and hard work. Yes, all of this in spite of his disastrous role in Vietnam.</p>
<p>But misconstruing Hillary&#8217;s instructive remark simply mirrors the ignorance our voters have of our history, and/or understanding the why and hows of realpolitik.</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell is an old line conservative who joins all of the DC ladies who exchange dinner parties, and belong to the elite club of conservatives that feed off the money received from the press jobs held by taxpayer government jobs. The cronyism of Mitchell is an old story. She&#039;s vile.

I watched her lie and trash Hillary. Not for the first time.  She has no credibility as a journalist and belongs to the whorehouse at CNBC along the salivating Matthews and others who destroy our so called free airwaves and our freedom of the press.

They will continue unless we can at least slow them down and demand acountability by protesting to the networks and their sponsor clients.

Unless we spend time in organized protest this slime will continue in a media obsessed with a 24/7 newscycle fighting for audiences.  Believe me, this can be done, we just don&#039;t bother to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell is an old line conservative who joins all of the DC ladies who exchange dinner parties, and belong to the elite club of conservatives that feed off the money received from the press jobs held by taxpayer government jobs. The cronyism of Mitchell is an old story. She&#8217;s vile.</p>
<p>I watched her lie and trash Hillary. Not for the first time.  She has no credibility as a journalist and belongs to the whorehouse at CNBC along the salivating Matthews and others who destroy our so called free airwaves and our freedom of the press.</p>
<p>They will continue unless we can at least slow them down and demand acountability by protesting to the networks and their sponsor clients.</p>
<p>Unless we spend time in organized protest this slime will continue in a media obsessed with a 24/7 newscycle fighting for audiences.  Believe me, this can be done, we just don&#8217;t bother to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: shoephone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103658</link>
		<dc:creator>shoephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy the theory that race was an issue. For God&#039;s sake, Iowa is 95% WHITE! where Obama didn&#039;t seem to have any trouble trouncing both Edwards and Clinton by 8% and 9%, respectively.

Dipsuting the NH results sounds like a whole lotta sour grapes to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy the theory that race was an issue. For God&#8217;s sake, Iowa is 95% WHITE! where Obama didn&#8217;t seem to have any trouble trouncing both Edwards and Clinton by 8% and 9%, respectively.</p>
<p>Dipsuting the NH results sounds like a whole lotta sour grapes to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nellie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103638</link>
		<dc:creator>Nellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several ethniticities in NH. I will mention places where they have a very STRONG presence.

A black man, deceased in 2004, was the one who introduced Bill Cinton to NH. His 6 daughters, one of whom I am very good friends with, continues his work in the State Legislature and on Martin Luther King.

Lantinos and blacks are strong in the small city of Derry NH, and well as in the Central East side of Manchester.

Vietnamese, Cambodians and blacks are in Manchester, Nashua, and Salem NH.

Serbians in Manchester and Franklin NH.

Indonesians and blacks are strong in the Rochester NH area.

I am white and was for 4 years Recreation coordinator for the NAACP.

The NO-NOTHINGS in the media are called that by NH locals for good reason. If you want to know about our state ask US, the people who live here, not the idiots who show up only every 4 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several ethniticities in NH. I will mention places where they have a very STRONG presence.</p>
<p>A black man, deceased in 2004, was the one who introduced Bill Cinton to NH. His 6 daughters, one of whom I am very good friends with, continues his work in the State Legislature and on Martin Luther King.</p>
<p>Lantinos and blacks are strong in the small city of Derry NH, and well as in the Central East side of Manchester.</p>
<p>Vietnamese, Cambodians and blacks are in Manchester, Nashua, and Salem NH.</p>
<p>Serbians in Manchester and Franklin NH.</p>
<p>Indonesians and blacks are strong in the Rochester NH area.</p>
<p>I am white and was for 4 years Recreation coordinator for the NAACP.</p>
<p>The NO-NOTHINGS in the media are called that by NH locals for good reason. If you want to know about our state ask US, the people who live here, not the idiots who show up only every 4 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103371</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who intentionally and openly bombed civilian targets in Serbia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who intentionally and openly bombed civilian targets in Serbia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103359</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden cashed his chips in Iowa and boosted Obama as payback for his previous gaffe.

Barack was losing that kind of boost outside a caucus system, the favorite second choice of some establishment Democrats won second place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden cashed his chips in Iowa and boosted Obama as payback for his previous gaffe.</p>
<p>Barack was losing that kind of boost outside a caucus system, the favorite second choice of some establishment Democrats won second place.</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103358</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of guesswork hurts the entire elective process.  We are looking at &quot;fixed&quot; polling data from the pollsters whose assumptions are often corrupt and/or inaccurate and who propel this junk numbers game to further their pockets.

The insane assumptions of &quot;bumps&quot;, and momentum all affect the psych of the voters, and the media feeds this guesswork and changes reality minute to minute.

In 2000, the Fox Network declared the election for Bush after all other networks called Gore the winner.  Then the fun started in Florida and you see the results of the poll numbers guessing game.  The fix was in.

Our media pundits are all out of control. Their disregard for the patient evaluation polling data requires was missing because of the short time lapse from Iowa, but also because the pollsters and media assumed [without any data] that Obama came in with a 35 lead from a &quot;bounce&quot;. 

The entire system is corrupted when the media behaves like animals, and many pollsters [Zogby] are notoriously and often wrong. Polling is not an exact science, and certainly whatever credibility polling can have wasn&#039;t seen in Iowa or New Hampshire.

God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of guesswork hurts the entire elective process.  We are looking at &#8220;fixed&#8221; polling data from the pollsters whose assumptions are often corrupt and/or inaccurate and who propel this junk numbers game to further their pockets.</p>
<p>The insane assumptions of &#8220;bumps&#8221;, and momentum all affect the psych of the voters, and the media feeds this guesswork and changes reality minute to minute.</p>
<p>In 2000, the Fox Network declared the election for Bush after all other networks called Gore the winner.  Then the fun started in Florida and you see the results of the poll numbers guessing game.  The fix was in.</p>
<p>Our media pundits are all out of control. Their disregard for the patient evaluation polling data requires was missing because of the short time lapse from Iowa, but also because the pollsters and media assumed [without any data] that Obama came in with a 35 lead from a &#8220;bounce&#8221;. </p>
<p>The entire system is corrupted when the media behaves like animals, and many pollsters [Zogby] are notoriously and often wrong. Polling is not an exact science, and certainly whatever credibility polling can have wasn&#8217;t seen in Iowa or New Hampshire.</p>
<p>God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103334</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was any justice, Tim Russert would be off the air.

He has no busines running one of the shoddiest news groups ever seen on TV outside of Fox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was any justice, Tim Russert would be off the air.</p>
<p>He has no busines running one of the shoddiest news groups ever seen on TV outside of Fox.</p>
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		<title>By: Taters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one, Fred. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Fred. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103307</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Murder,

thank you.  what are we going to do about a run amok irresponsible media that is trying to derail our elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Murder,</p>
<p>thank you.  what are we going to do about a run amok irresponsible media that is trying to derail our elections?</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103303</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea Mitchell is a rabid conservative who is married to uber conservative former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan who aided and abetted Bush in destroying our economy.

She&#039;s a joke of a &quot;journalist&quot;, and lied,lied.lied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea Mitchell is a rabid conservative who is married to uber conservative former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan who aided and abetted Bush in destroying our economy.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a joke of a &#8220;journalist&#8221;, and lied,lied.lied.</p>
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		<title>By: norris morris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1288/how-could-the-polls-be-so-wrong/#comment-103300</link>
		<dc:creator>norris morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea Mitchell is a conservative who is married to Alan Greenspan who we can thank for contributing to our current financial mess. Federal reserve chairman.

BTW the only bussing was done in Iowa by Obama who had them coming in from Schools from ages 17 to 25. Technically he could get away with it and he did.

There were absolutely no improprieties by anyone but the Media yesterday.

Blame the people who corrupted the process.  The Media.   Not the candidates who are all superior to anything this shameful GOP has visited on our house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea Mitchell is a conservative who is married to Alan Greenspan who we can thank for contributing to our current financial mess. Federal reserve chairman.</p>
<p>BTW the only bussing was done in Iowa by Obama who had them coming in from Schools from ages 17 to 25. Technically he could get away with it and he did.</p>
<p>There were absolutely no improprieties by anyone but the Media yesterday.</p>
<p>Blame the people who corrupted the process.  The Media.   Not the candidates who are all superior to anything this shameful GOP has visited on our house.</p>
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