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Frank Rich Roasts Republicans on the Economic Crisis: Pot, Meet Kettle

(bumped up from earlier this evening)

I couldn’t resist weighing in on Frank Rich’s latest lefty missive to poke another stick in the eye of Republicans, even though it is obvious there is plenty of blame to go around regarding our current economic crisis. Rich begins his rant:

Here’s a bottom line to keep you up at night: The economy is falling faster than Washington can get moving. President Obama says his stimulus plan will save or create four million jobs in two years. In the last four months of 2008 alone, employment fell by 1.9 million. Do the math.

The abyss is widening. Of the 30 companies in the Dow Jones industrial index, 22 have announced job cuts since October. Unemployment is up in all 50 states, with layoffs at both high-tech companies (Microsoft) and low (Caterpillar). The December job loss in retailing is the worst since at least 1939. The new-home sales rate has fallen to its all-time low since record-keeping began in 1963.

What are Americans still buying? Big Macs, Campbell’s soup, Hershey’s chocolate and Spam — the four food groups of the apocalypse.

The crisis is at least as grave as the one that confronted us — and, for a time, united us — after 9/11. Which is why the antics among Republicans on Capitol Hill seem so surreal. These are the same politicians who only yesterday smeared the patriotism of any dissenters from Bush’s “war on terror.” Where is their own patriotism now that economic terror is inflicting far more harm on their constituents than Saddam Hussein’s nonexistent W.M.D.?

Antics? Anything like Nancy Pelosi’s antics in blaming the entire economic crisis on the Republicans last Fall – even though Democrats opposed more stringent banking regulations and are likewise neck deep in the Fannie/Freddie scandal? Look, I don’t pretend to be an expert in this field. Far from it. But as a taxpayer, it is painfully obvious that predatory lending practices, greed from many sectors and delusional ‘it’s a never ending party’ behavior from many in power in the private and public sector are to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves. This is all the more painful and frustrating because many of us show up, pay our bills on time, did not behave recklessly and would never dream of cheating anyone – but we are now having to foot the bill for crooks.

On the one hand, Frank Rich is stating that Obama’s solution is not enough but then criticizes Republicans for opposing it. Uh, here’s a hot flash – a lot of Americans are real worried about handing this money over to someone who spent 6 million on faux Grecian columns for a one night stand, had the most expensive inauguration party in history, and spent over $100 on a piece of imported Kobe beef. No – it’s not the only thing we focus on – but it is a good indicator of attitude and mindset. It is cause for worry because it represents a pattern of behavior.

Rich further states:

The House stimulus bill is an inevitably imperfect hodgepodge-in-progress. Obama’s next move, a new plan to prevent the collapse of America’s banks, may prove more problematic still, especially given the subpar record of the new Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, in warding off calamity while at the New York Fed.

Let’s talk about that. It is further indicative of a pattern of behavior that Tim Geithner, a tax evader, is now in charge of the Treasury. And Tom Daschle, another tax evader with a lobbyist wife, almost squeaked by with a cabinet post as well, till it got too hot in the kitchen and he had to withdraw his nomination today. The Deputy Secretary of Defense was a lobbyist for Raytheon. So President Obama’s administration is a case of do as I say, not as I do? Whatever happened to cleaning up the dirt in Washington? Why should we trust these guys to spend our money wisely?

Rich insultingly says:

No one should expect the Republicans to give the new president carte blanche, fall blindly into lock step or be “post-partisan.” (Though that’s exactly what the G.O.P. demanded of Democrats with Bush: You were either with him or with the terrorists.) …But you might think that a loyal opposition would want to pitch in and play a serious role at a time of national peril.

So what is “pitching in” comprised of, in his view – just capitulating without debate on one of the biggest spending bills ever? Is just ‘lying down and taking it’ the way to go? Look, I am no Republican and most probably never will be, but just as I didn’t like one party rule under the Republicans in 2001-2006, I feel no greater comfort now with President Obama arrogantly saying “well, I won,” and Speaker Pelosi passing this pork filled stimulus bill in the House, without one ounce of bi-partisan support. So much for reaching across the aisle. Mr. Rich continues:

The current G.O.P. acts as if it — and we — have all the time in the world. It kept hoping in vain that the fast-waning Blago sideshow would somehow impale Obama or Rahm Emanuel. It has come perilously close to wishing aloud that a terrorist attack will materialize to discredit Obama’s reversals of Bush policy on torture, military tribunals and Gitmo. The party’s sole consistent ambition is to play petty politics to gum up the works.

Uh, no. I certainly don’t want to see anything horrible happen to our country so I can say “I told you so.” And anyone who does ought to rethink that position. Simultaneously, I will not be cowed into spending almost a trillion dollars out of fear – which sounds suspiciously like what the Republicans did to us when demanding that we support the Iraq war. Mr. Rich conveniently forgets that if the Democrats want to trumpet themselves as the party that occupies the moral high ground, then they have to act like it. That means the Dems don’t get to bully moderates and conservatives by branding them as people who want the country to fail just for not driving off a cliff after Nancy Pelosi and her stimulus package.

Mr. Rich also complains that Republicans:

“posture in public about their determination to take action, then do nothing while more and more Americans cry for help.”

But even Paul Krugman, the only sane man left at the NYTimes apparently, disagrees with Mr. Rich touting the Obama Administrations plans. Take a look at his editorial, Bailouts for Bunglers:

Question: what happens if you lose vast amounts of other people’s money? Answer: you get a big gift from the federal government — but the president says some very harsh things about you before forking over the cash.

Am I being unfair? I hope so. But right now that’s what seems to be happening.

Just to be clear, I’m not talking about the Obama administration’s plan to support jobs and output with a large, temporary rise in federal spending, which is very much the right thing to do. I’m talking, instead, about the administration’s plans for a banking system rescue — plans that are shaping up as a classic exercise in “lemon socialism”: taxpayers bear the cost if things go wrong, but stockholders and executives get the benefits if things go right.

When I read recent remarks on financial policy by top Obama administration officials, I feel as if I’ve entered a time warp — as if it’s still 2005, Alan Greenspan is still the Maestro, and bankers are still heroes of capitalism………..

It is worthwhile to note Paul Krugman felt Hillary Clinton had far better plans for the economy and health care. Oh, but then Rich excoriated Hillary — I guess she’s not one of those good Democrats he’s always touting. Then Mr. Rich pulls the following statement out of the air:

The more disturbing problem is that the party has zero leaders and zero ideas. It is as AWOL in this disaster as the Bush administration was during Katrina.

Which party is Mr. Rich talking about above – it’s hard to tell.

The answer to everything is not to throw money at the problem – the private sector has already proven they cannot manage money responsibly. You will pardon me if I don’t want to write them any more big checks while they use the dough to redecorate their offices with no oversight in sight. And the Dems offered no oversight once they took back Congress in 2006. What makes you think that this one party control is going to offer any now? Their new Treasury Secretary sort of forgot to pay his taxes. Oops.

Like Rich, I do not necessarily think Republicans are “the party of good ideas.” But if Mr. Rich wants to complain about that, he should take it up with his favorite new President – after all, Obama is the one quoted as saying they are.

Rich says Republicans just want “bigger tax cuts, particularly for business and the well-off.” Actually, no. In the Forbes Magazine editorial, Grand New Party: Steele In Their Spines, Reihan Salam details what some Republicans are proposing:

Not only have Republicans opposed this ill-conceived free-for-all–they’ve actually floated a number of more attractive alternatives, including a steep payroll tax cut, a sharp increase in the child tax credit, and offering state governments loans instead of grants. The first would represent an immediate economic boon to all American workers and businesses, the second would benefit hard-hit families, and the third would force state governments to spend responsibly rather than shovel money out the door. If Republicans keep moving in this direction, by backing similarly smart policies on fighting climate change and rising health care costs, President Obama and Congressional Democrats will have a real fight on their hands.

Spending responsibly sounds good to me. If it’s a loan one has to pay back, one is a little more concerned with not pissing it away on drapes. Accountability. Transparency. Where is it coming from in this new pure as the driven snow administration when Daschle was behind closed doors yesterday apologizing for his $112,000 tax embarrassment and trying to sneak through the confirmation process.

What happened to the new way of doing business in Washington?

By the way, this is the same bunch who dis-invited paraplegic Sen. Max Cleland from making a campaign appearance on behalf of Obama because Cleland did occasional lobbying work on behalf of a company that helps paraplegic veterans. M’kay. They did it because Plouffe and Co. did not want to open Obama up to any criticism for any “lobbying ties.” So they shamefully dissed a hero of the Democratic Party, but Geithner and Daschle’s tax evading antics are okay? Daschle was forced to withdraw or create a huge embarrassment for the Obama Administration. The Dems were still pushing for him as of yesterday. Go ahead, Mr. Rich, please keep scolding the Republicans. You are drawing on a weak hand.

I am the first to say that President Bush was a disastrous leader and the spending he incurred as a result of the war and more, while telling us to “go shopping” was a disgrace. But as to the rest, the only two I recall really making a noise about the housing crisis were Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Where was Chris Dodd, head of the banking committee; or Kerry, who is complaining about the stimulus package now? Or Barney Franks?

Here is something else Republicans are proposing — see what you think about this:

Senate Republicans circulated a sweeping plan to drive down the cost of mortgages by expanding the federal government’s role in the industry, officials said Monday night…

The emerging proposal also relies on a bigger and more widely available tax break for homebuyers than is now available, those officials added as Senate Republicans staked their claim to a different type of economic recovery measure than Democrats and the administration favor.

In the Capitol, Republicans said their goal was to change the bill, not to block it. “Nobody that I know of is trying to keep a package from passing,” said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader…”We need to fix housing first,” he said.

Officials said the GOP was coalescing behind a proposal designed to give banks an incentive to make loans at rates currently estimated at 4 percent to 4.5 percent. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were seized by the federal government in September, would be required to purchase the mortgages once banks have made them to consumers.

Officials said loans to credit-worthy borrowers on primary residences with a mortgage of up to $625,000 would qualify, including those seeking to refinance their current loans.

Separately, Republican officials said they intended to press for a $15,000 tax credit for homebuyers through the end of the year. Current law permits a $7,500 tax break and limits it to first-time homebuyers.

Reihan Salam puts it well when he points out:

As David Brooks has ably described, the stimulus package represents an awkward marriage of long-term Democratic objectives, like pouring more money into higher education and green energy and big-ticket infrastructure projects, and short-term measures that governments at all levels will have an extremely difficult time absorbing. Many of these long-term objectives are very worthy ones that Republicans should embrace as well, particularly efforts to upgrade our physical infrastructure. Yet the speed with which this measure has been pursued means that spending discipline has gone out the window. State governments that receive billions of dollars will have no way to evaluate the efficacy of spending, and so we will find, two or three years hence, that vast sums were wasted, and indeed that vast sums fell into the wrong hands.

We don’t need any more waste. I don’t pretend to have the answer. I don’t know that Republicans do either. But Mr. Rich is very remiss in his attempts to portray President Obama, Nancy Pelosi or Tim Geithner as people who are serious in wanting to fix our problems since we heard nary a peep from them when all of this was transpiring in the first place.

We cannot afford to dawdle, but to dismiss serious debate and pretend that a more judicious oversight is not required is more irresponsible than taking no action at all. While obstructionists are not needed, neither are rabble-rousers and demonizers the likes of Mr. Rich. It is ironic that Mr. Rich’s editorial also makes sure to lambaste Rush Limbaugh. The two have more in common than he realizes.

  • getfitnow

    I just heard on the radio the market closed higher today on word of a republican alternative plan to the stimulus package. Ummmmmmmm.

    • BB

      The stock market move had nothing to do with the Republicans. Better than expected home sales more likely moved the market today

      • I’m a Linda too

        Wasn’t that the news over a week ago with December reports?

        • BB

          Do you work in the market? I do. The market was focused on two things today: a report by The National Association of Realtors that showed an uptick in house buying; and on reasonable earnings from a couple of company.

          “Drugmakers Merck & Co. and Schering-Plough Corp. helped lift the market after their quarterly numbers came in better than expected. Homebuilder D.R. Horton Inc. reported a loss for its latest quarter that was narrower than analysts expected. And shipper UPS Inc. rose on relief its quarterly results weren’t worse.”

          Trying to turn a one day move in the stock market into some kind of political comment is pretty lame.

          • beebop

            Uh …. weren’t those mostly FORECLOSED houses? Don’t be such an 0bama tailpipe sucker …. Try some fresh air. What exactly has he done for the market? I can show you my Baird statements …. :)

    • I’m a Linda too

      Very possible if we are to believe other commentators reasonings for a jump on the market.

      And, this was actually in the NEWS today. Also in the news is the change in giving the tax cut as Republicans wanted, not a one time refund check as the Democrats (and Bush if we all remember…TWICE….and did nothing) to appear in their employment checks which all economists say usually end up in the economy, as opposed to a one time check being banked as a savings. That doesn’t do much for the economy.

  • BB

    Easy to rant and complain from your soapbox.

    However, the Republcian party and George Bush are 100% responsible for the current economic mess. It happened on Bush’s watch. There should be no doubt about that. They were responsible for the economic drain on the country from the Iraq war, the war also distracted the country and the admistration away from other things like strengthening the economy, they made irresponsible tax cuts during a war, which just took the country further into debt and reduced flexibility to act now, they left a budget deficit of over $1 trillion, as they left office, which has also reduced flexiblity to act now, they followed and promoted a laisse-faire attitude where anything went, the big free-marketer Republican Greenspan followed an interest rate policy that crushed mortgage borrowers, etc. etc. etc. The Republicans did nothing but widen the gap between the rich and the middle class, sink the dollar, increase the trade deficit, increased the debt, increase unemployment, etc., etc. The Republican directly had all the power for 6 years, and really 8 years, as the Democrats really could get nothing done for the last two years, as Bush was unwilling to work in any kind of partisan way and he vetoed or threatened to veto anything the Democrats wanted.

    The so-called Reagan revolution has been a complete failure and we are now paying the price for it big time. The country has just gotten weaker under Bush. Nice starting point for Obama. Bush wrote a lot of checks that Obama now has to find a way to cash. He now has to try and clean up the Republican mess.

    Instead of critizing and complaining about Obama, which anyone can do, why don’t you give us your plan to fix this mess?

    The Republicans are now being given an unprecidented opportunity to contribute and all they are doing is trying to find ways to either sink Obama or play politics. It is disgusting when all of our jobs are on the line. A bunch of too bit political hacks like McConnell and Boehner have zero intelligence, zero to say, and zero to add. It is all politics with these guys. The Republicans need to find some new leadership.

    • wodiej

      ok, since you asked, here is my plan:

      50% corporate tax rate cut-this will put more money in the hands of businesses and thus spur more jobs. Hint: poor people don’t give anyone a job, businesses who pay the outlandish 35% corporate tax rate do.

      6 month income tax holiday for all workers-this will spur healthy spending unlike a puny $500 rebate that would be paid in $60 increments on paychecks

      extended unemployment benefits

      a 3-4% mortgage interest rate on new and refinanced mortgages.

      NOTHING ELSE. Smoking cessation and condoms are not going to stimulate anything but someone’s vices.

      Frankly, I DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHO STARTED IT. It’s time to fix it. This back and forth bullshit of blame solves NOTHING. This is a spending bill with nothing but PORK. Defending it is obscene.

      • http://tojo toni

        I don’t think greed has a party…they are all to blame.

        • beebop

          Amen … Fannie and Freddie were done to us by the Democraps …

      • BB

        Great to debate an actual policy on this site rather than just blind Obama hatred…

        Great debate about whether corporate tax cuts would actually do anything at all….

        “Numerous government and independent studies agree that corporate tax rate cuts provide relatively little “bang-for-the-buck” as stimulus. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO), for example, has concluded that a corporate rate cut “is not a particularly cost-effective method of stimulating business spending.”[1] The Congressional Research Service (CRS) has found that in terms of stimulating aggregate demand, the “effect of corporate rate cuts is likely small.”[2] And Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com, has rated a corporate tax rate cut as one of the least effective of all tax and spending options in stimulating the economy, estimating that it would generate only 30 cents in economic demand for every dollar spent on the tax cut.[3]

        Nevertheless, some policymakers and business groups — many of them longstanding proponents of corporate tax cuts regardless of economic conditions — now advocate cutting corporate tax rates as a stimulus measure.[4] There is a serious debate to be had about whether cutting corporate rates, especially if done in tandem with measures to close corporate tax loopholes, would strengthen the economy over the long run.[5] But corporate rate cuts simply are not credible as short-term economic stimulus in a recession.”

        Read this:

        http://www.cbpp.org/1-23-09tax.htm

        Most agree that spending is the simplest and quickiest way to create jobs. However, we can debate what kind of spending to do… However, one man’s pork is another man’s investment or infrastructure…

        • wodiej

          You mean most agree except those 300 economists. You Obots ignore the facts and get on some rant about Obama hatred regardless of what the facts are.

          Perhaps you should look in the mirror and you will find the blind hatred that you and your friends try to project on sensible people such as ourselves who don’t worship anyone or a party, but only want what is best for this country and the hardworking Americans in it.

          • BB

            You are no more of an American or a hard working one than I am. When you result to personal insults it means your argument is weak. Republican policies have destroyed this country and we are trying to fix it.

            The CBO is pretty neutral and where are these 300 economists on suggesting the best way to immediately stimulate the economy is through corporate tax cuts. Never heard of them, but I would be open to hearing what they have to say.

            If you are talking about the 300 economists that supported the McCain plan, whatever that was, that is a joke?

            “The response, from roughly a fifth of that group (the 300 economists), was telling. Many of the economists whom McCain cited were generally supportive of his economic goals. But their support was tempered by strong objections towards specific proposals as well as deeper skepticism to the non-economic components of McCain’s candidacy. Many felt compelled to clarify that their show of support for the Arizona Republican’s economic proposals shouldn’t be misinterpreted as an endorsement of his presidential campaign.”

            See this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/11/mccains-list-of-300-econo_n_112147.html

            None of these economists were commenting specifically about the merits of whether corporate tax cuts would be the most efficient way to immediately stimulate the economy.

            What a joke!

            • wodiej

              Well they sure as hell didn’t advocate spending. It was a full page ad in the NY Times, guess you missed that while digging up your Democrat talking points.

              Insults? I was merely pointing out what I see.

              • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

                Exactly.

                I didn’t have to be a trained weapons inspector to know that Saddam didn’t have WMD and I sure as hell don’t have to be an economist to know that $300 million in spending on STD “programs” etc will do crappola for the economy. Wishing that 30-year funding of every liberal democratic wish list are “stimulus programs for the economy” simply doesn’t make it so.

                All you need sometimes is plain old common sense, something which the Obamamatrons seem to lack.

              • UKforDems

                Comment by wodiej | 2009-02-03 21:08:09

                Well they sure as hell didn’t advocate spending. It was a full page ad in the NY Times, guess you missed that while digging up your Democrat talking points.

                Insults? I was merely pointing out what I see
                200 economists (many from McCains soft support) have come out in favour of the stimulus bill. They sure as hell do advocate spending as it is spending that has dried up in the economy.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        i disagree with this, wodiej,

        “50% corporate tax rate cut-this will put more money in the hands of businesses and thus spur more jobs. Hint: poor people don’t give anyone a job, businesses who pay the outlandish 35% corporate tax rate do.”

        you think poor people don’t give anyone jobs? i think they do; they’re called customers. no business will add a single employee or create a job out of thin air if their are no customers to buy their product or service. i work in the restaurant business, and if my company’s CEO got some big tax break, do you think he is going to hire more employees, when we really have more people than we need already, due to business (i.e. poop people coming through our doors) being way down?

        on the other hand, if our business picks up, i.e. poor people have more money to spend and decide to eat out more, my boss is going to hire more people to keep up with the business, because there will be a profit in it! he won’t need a government check to encourage him to hire people if we have the business to justify it.

    • Ani

      Actually, I am not ranting from any soapbox, merely pointing out quite calmly that Frank Rich is not helpful because he is the one pointing fingers.

      I have stated quite clearly that no one — neither Democrats or Republicans, have clean hands.

      I am reacting the Frank Rich pointing fingers – he trashed Hillary (who had a better plan) and touted Obama (who is clueless). Why don’t you point your enmity at Mr. Rich or Mr. Limbaugh — neither do anything to further the debate. The fact is we need to have one. Instead this bill is being shoved down everyone’s throats!

      And as far as the Reagan Revolution is concerned, talk to Obama, he was the one who constantly praised him. That’s why I didn’t vote for him.

      • BB

        No bill is being shoved down anyone’s throat. What do you think they have been doing in Washington over the last week. They have been debating the bill. What do you think all the ammendments being brought forward by both sides this week is all about.

        In fact, the Republicans, particularly for being in the very small minority, are being given an unprecidented ability to contribute to the bill and process. The entire tax cut part of the bill are to take into consideration Republican ideas. During the Bush adminstration they never even listened to the Democrats and rammed through everything with zero debate, even amongst their own party, as Bush never really wanted to hear decenting views.

        Obama never praised the ideals or direction of the so-called Reagan revolution. He praised Reagan’s political skills and the way he was able to move the country. Very different.

        This is what Obama actually said:

        ” don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

        See: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3263

        • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

          So let’s see, the “so called Reagan Revolution was a complete failure”, yet you point out that Obama sees the Reagan presidency as a success, much more so than Nixon and Clinton.

          But notice how he says nothing about Daddy Bush or Carter…no, Obama just wanted to bamboozle everyone by praising Reagan and then lumping Nixon and Clinton because of the obvious reason being impeachment, and the negative connotations of Nixon in general.

          Obama is pathetic.

          • Welcome Back Carteh

            Remember when he said he believes in Reagan tax cuts and is a “free market” kind of guy? Then he insulted Nancy Reagan. The best was when he said he would go through every spending bill line by line. The suckers who voted for him didn’t know he’d do it with a rolled up dollar bill up his nose, just like his college days.

          • Bazooka

            Obama is not saying that he thinks Reagan presidency was a success. Read more closely. He is saying that he admires the way Reagan was able to change the direction of the country. He is not saying that he agrees with that direction.

        • Welcome Back Carteh

          The Republicans weren’t even consulted on this, and the Democrats don’t need them to pass it. They want political cover, and the Republicans want to rebound in 2010. The rest of this is kabuki theatre.

      • Bazooka

        Ani does not seem to understand how bills get passed in this country if she thinks the stimulus bill is being “shoved down everyone’s throats”.

        First, the House comes up with a bill, which they did, and even implemented some of the Republicans ideas (tax cuts).

        Then it goes to the Senate and is modified and cleaned up, as what is being done now with all the debate and amendments. Often it does not matter what the House did at the beginning, as the Senate regularly makes major changes to bills.

        Then it goes to conference where the President can take out his pen and changes things himself when it goes to conference. He will do this after considering all the debate and all the points of view.

        The reality is that the Republicans had a say in this bill in a very unprecedented way for not being the party in power. Obama is going out of his way to try and get some bipartisan consensus. In fact, this process has been the exact opposite of “jamming” a bill down anyone’s throat.

        And if you are one of those who thinks the bill is all pork, that is complete BS. The things the Republicans are complaining about being pork or unnecessary, represents only 1% of the entire bill and most of that is now out of the bill. The fact that the Republicans are only complaining about 1% of the bill means that they are only looking for sound bites so they can play politics with this very important piece of legislation.

    • Faulkner

      BB-
      You have not been paying attention if you think Repubs are 100% at fault. Feel free to play the blame game and then complain when nothing gets done. If Pelosi and Reid wanted to, they could create their bills and send them straight to the white house for signing. The only reason they haven’t is because they don’t have the support of their own members because the bills are loaded with crap that wouldn’t stimulate a field mouse. Remember, Obama “won” so he can do as he pleases.

      • UKforDems

        You have heard of the filibuster – something Clinton failed to take in to account.

        Lessons learnt.

    • Winston

      Your square-hole theory fits right into the round-hole evidence quite nicely. BB, you have done some fine work with that shoe horn.

    • heather

      I was under the impression that under the Bush tax cuts, tax revenues had increased. How do you explain this?

      Also, to nullify the effect that the Fannie and Freddie debacle had on the economy as a whole is like putting your fingers in your ears and screaming “I’m not listening”. If you look back at who was calling for reform and GREATER regulation for Fannie and Freddie in order to avoid a disaster in the economy, you would have to admit that Republicans had it right, and Democrats fought it with cries of racism.

    • Wisewoman

      If the job is too hard Obama should not have run for it. He should have left the field to Hillary and the other Dems. Your put ALL the blame on the Repubs sound just like them putting all the blame on the dems. This economic meltdown is more the fault of the dems. See info and links below:

      Barney Frank, the dems and especially Obama are more responsible for the economic meltdown due to the Fannie Mae (FM) and Freddie Mac (FM) backed mortgages crisis.
      Link 1. Sen Obama was one of the attorneys of record ( See p.3 of cited document) who filed a class action lawsuit against Citibank Federal Savings Bank in Chicago in federal court (1994) accusing them of redlining and racial discrimination in lending and won. The legal outcome of the federal case (1998) was that banks all over the country were forced to make risky loans to unqualified buyers without sufficient collateral. Through this action Sen Obama bares a heavy responsibility for the housing crisis, stock market losses impacting people’s 401ks, retirements, and other incomes.

      Link 2. Listen to all the dem crooks and see the money they received from Fm & FM. a). Listen to President Clinton in the above video around the 5:53 mark saying Dems were mostly to blame for FM & FM. mortgage situation.
      b) then click on Videos # 5 in this set labeled “Dems In Their Own Words”.
      c) then click on Video #5 in this set labeled “Clinton Admin. Bank affirmative Action”.
      http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.php?id=10112&search=source|general;caseCat|FH;orderby|caseName;
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_652267

  • KmX

    WHy did I vote for these spend heavy democrats. I was expecting CHange. I wasn’t expecting just change in my wallet.

    Europe has tried the same stimulus package and it hasn’t worked. It’s not working in Iceland, Japan, China. The Democrat control Congress and Bush tried it last year and it hasn’t worked.

    WHy is Obama doing the samething the rest of the world have done and it hasn’t work? They seem like they can’t wait to get their hands on this money for their pet projects. Obama needs to kepp Nancy pelosi and Buddies away from the media. We NEED JOBS now. Not in 2011!!!!!!

    Money for ACRON has to go!!

  • Ellen D

    Well maybe the housing crisis occurred on Bush’s watch but letting the banks get into investment and other businesses instead of keeping the restrictions on them that were forged in the depression, happened on Clinton’s watch. I like Clinton but, just like Teddy Kennedy, he climbed on the deregulation bandwagon that began with Reagan.
    So no one has clean hands, least of all Barney Franks and the other Dems who forced the banks into more community lending to people who couldn’t pay it back.
    Can we just sit down and study history and reconstitute our regulation structure please without more finger pointing. They all live in glass houses.

    • BB

      Typical Republican talking point to blame the poor for the housing crisis.

      The Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with the Subprime crisis.

      Read this:

      http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html

      And I would add to this very good article that many of the people defaulting on their loans today are not the poor, but the middle class.

      • Patience

        The poor have already been foreclosed upon. Now it’s the middle-class borrowers’ turn, many who speculated that housing values would continue to skyrocket. And others who over-reached. And some who’ve recently lost their jobs. In any case, middle-class borrowers were able to hang on longer than the poor.

        Just because Aaron Pressman of Business Week thinks the CRA had absolutely nothing to do with the current crisis doesn’t make it so.

        My husband voted for Obama and he subscribes to the opinions on DK, HuffPo and the like, and this issue of middle-class foreclosures is a big talking point right now. IMO it’s an attempt to deflect any blame from people like Dodd, Frank and Obama — each who benefitted handsomely from financial-industry largesse and either obstructed attempts years ago to deal with the looming crisis or else sat on their hands while they filled their campaign coffers. It could be argued (and is) that the climate established by those who wanted to broaden the reach of the CRA helped to create the current banking crisis.

        Bush and other Republicans relied too much on the housing boom — it was an easy but imbalanced way to get the economy past the losses caused by 9/11 (which occured during a recession that began before his presidency if you recall). Their patrons in the home-building industry (and many related businesses) surely didn’t mind the tremendous profits they enjoyed during the bubble.

        • Bazooka

          You did not even read the article. Most of the loans that had been given in the last 5 years which are now defaulting were given by firms that were not even regulated by the CRA. And many of the original CRA loans that were given are not the ones defaulting. They tend to be healthier loans. In addition, Bush restricted the CRA program, so even less loans were given out under the CRA.

          Whether Dodd, Frank and Obama did or did not push for regulation is irrelevant. They were not in power. It was all up to the Republicans! What don’t you get! The ball was in the Republicans court, they had all the power during the mortgage bubble and collapse.

    • Ani

      My point exactly.

      • Ani

        And by the way, Clinton himself said it was the Dems who wanted less banking regulation, not the Republicans.

    • I’m a Linda too

      yep

    • UKforDems

      Comment by Ellen D | 2009-02-03 19:33:45

      Well maybe the housing crisis occurred on Bush’s watch but letting the banks get into investment and other businesses instead of keeping the restrictions on them that were forged in the depression, happened on Clinton’s watch. I like Clinton but, just like Teddy Kennedy, he climbed on the deregulation bandwagon that began with Reagan.
      So no one has clean hands, least of all Barney Franks and the other Dems who forced the banks into more community lending to people who couldn’t pay it back.
      Can we just sit down and study history and reconstitute our regulation structure please without more finger pointing. They all live in glass houses.

      Even that was the fault of the Rethugs; caused by the Ginch and his whole “Contract for America” nonsense. Worse, the author if the legislation rather than being disassociated from the Rethuug Party was Economic Advisor to John McCain, who supported the “liberation” that happened to Housing to be applied to Social Security.

      • elise

        You may live in a world where blame must be assigned to support your arguments UK, but I live in a world where past mistakes or regrets won’t fix today’s problems. We’ve had a bad eight years in this country and many of us were hoping we might see the light at the end of the tunnel when Bush/Cheney left Washington. Unfortunately, we, our children and future generations will suffer because our president and congress seem to believe if we spend enough money and go further into debt, everything will be fine and dandy. Partisanship and partisan bickering is not going to help us. Political parties are not the solution. They are the problem. Obama, Pelosi and Reid aren’t the solution. Obama is just a “pathetic” (his wife’s word) corrupt Chicago pol who is in so far over his head, he’ll take the rest of us with him when he goes down. Seventeen lobbyists and counting.

  • TexasMirth

    However, the Republcian party and George Bush are 100% responsible for the current economic mess.

    100%? I bet Chris Dodd and Barney Frank would agree with you 100%. But for the rest of us, we recall Dodd and Frank’s roles in this mess, so the Democrats don’t get a free pass.

    • BB

      Not sure exactly how Frank and Dodd sunk the U.S. economy?

      Not sure how much power they had to do anything over the last 8 years. To suggest that these two democrats were responsible in any way for the current state of the U.S. economy is a joke.

      The Republicans had all the power and made all the decisions. They had the power to do what they wanted, so they could have fixed or better regulated the housing market if they wanted, they could have more responsibly managed the economy, and they could have not lied us into a war that has been a great financial drain on the country. Think if all those hundreds of billions that were spent on the Iraq war were spent on investing in the U.S. economy instead….

      Ani, you have to be kidding that the Democrats led the charge in banking deregulation… McCain’s buddy Phil Gramm was one of the main proponents to deregiation.

      “Whether or not Gramm had bothered to ponder the potential downsides of his commodities legislation, having helped set off an industry free-for-all, he reaped the rewards. In 2003, he left the Senate to take a highly lucrative job at ubs, Switzerland’s largest bank, which had been able to acquire investment house PaineWebber due to his banking deregulation bill. He would soon be lobbying Congress, the Fed, and the Treasury Department for ubs on banking and mortgage matters.”

      See: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

      • wodiej

        See, you don’t want to talk about the pork bill, you just want to keep spewing hate at Republicans. Bipartisan? Indeed.

      • JozefAL

        Um, dude, which party had control of Congress from Jan 3, 2007?

        -humming the theme from “Jeopardy” while I wait-

        Give up? Well, it’s the same party that just INCREASED its control of both Houses of Congress on Nov 4, 2008. Its most familiar symbol is the donkey and the party’s name begins with the same letter as “donkey”.
        Have you figured it out, yet?

        -resuming the theme from “Jeopardy” for a bit longer-

        And, time’s up. It’s the DEMOCRATIC Party, the same one that couldn’t bend over often enough to give Bush every thing he wanted during the last 22 months of the Bush Administration.

        Well, thank you for playing and, maybe next time, you’ll do your research before playing your game of “Blame the Republicans While Letting the Democrats’ Role Go Completely Unnoticed”. That may work well at Oborg Academy, but those who didn’t get assimilated by the Collective don’t play that little game.

        • wodiej

          LMAO…

        • Bazooka

          Dude,

          So what the Dems had control of congress from Jan. 3, 2007. What is your point?

          The house bubble built since really 2002. The bad lending practises, creation of the financial derivatives, crazy interest rate policy, getting us into a expensive and distracting war, tax cuts that created a huge deficit and the general mismanagement of the economy that got us to where we are today happened during Bush’s watch before Jan. 3, 2007.

          After the Dems took control of the congress they really had no power anyways. Bush was unwilling to take into considering any of the Dems ideas, and he vetoed or threatened to veto anything the Dems tried to push through. Bush did not veto a single piece of legislation in his first term, as the pen only came out after the Dems took congress. Then he did a record amount of vetos; everything from childrens healthcare, to torture, to an Iraq timetable, etc. He made six vetos alone on the Medicare bill.

          It is the party in power that has to take responsiblity. Just like it is Obama’s responsiblity from here on out.

      • Welcome Back Carteh

        Bush called for regulation of the GSEs 17 times in 2008 alone, so don’t say the Republicans could have regulated the housing market if they wanted to.

        http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/bush-called-for-reform-of-fannie-mae.html

        This was a White House press release before it was posted on Gateway Pundit. It’s a thorough list.

        • Winston

          Good come back Carteh.

        • Bazooka

          In 2008, don’t you think that was a bit late, given that bad loans that are default really started to be originated in 2002?

      • kgirl

        This is your brain, this is your brain on obama koolaid. Any questions?

        • wodiej

          LOL, all good responses.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent post Ani. Thank you.

  • Diana L. C.

    I do not understand economics at all, except I know how to balance my own checkbooks and how to budget so I don’t overspend and buy only what I can afford so as to keep my credit score high.

    It seems to me that we have so many people in government earning their livings with such huge salaries and making money through investments and stocks, etc. They really have never had to worry on a day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to month basis about money. It’s not on their minds as it is for most of us on a daily, or at least monthly, basis. They just turn matters over to accountants and advisers.

    I can’t remember a time when I was not a little worried about meeting bills, trying to fix things around the house, financing kids’s school needs and hoping to help them establish a good future for themselves. Heck, now that I am retired, I worry that I will indeed live long enough to watch over my pets before they pass on.

    Could I afford to take a vacation, or should I stay home? Will my car last as long as I want it to last before I have to think of replacing it? Can I afford to go to the doctor this month since I know my kids and my pets will probably need some health care?

    Most of us here know what I am saying. The people running the show are now just so removed from our realities that they really don’t understand, except through economic theories (and I emphasize the word “theory”) how to handle money.

    I would just like to see people in charge who really understand how it is for most tax paying people.

    • wodiej

      exactly. you can’t keep consuming wo producing. If a person spends more than they make, they incur excessive debt. The debt keeps growing until they cut back on spending. For awhile they may have to go without a few “luxuries” until they pay that debt off or generate more income aka revenue.

      You can’t spend your way out of a recession. It’s never worked before and it won’t now. Tax rate cuts and cut spending.

      • beebop

        but if you have a thief who helps you buy a house you can’t afford, you have no sense of planning and saving … put that on a national scale and you have no sense of ever paying a piper. No wonder not paying taxes looked like an easy sale. You believe you are the second coming because the media has convinced you that you are.

  • felizarte

    It took more than one administration of any party to get us into the mess we are in now. First Insurance companies have gotten too much control over healthcare that it health insurance have contributed to the demise of many jobs because labor in this country has become too expensive due to healthcare costs;

    Deregulating banks–allowing them to engage in businesses outside banking have encouraged too much risk taking with depositor’s money.

    Reducing the amount of time stocks need to be held (from one year to six months) encouraged turnover of stocks more frequently and they became vulnerable to hype. The Dow became equated with the health of the economy when in fact, it is just one of the components. Companies paid more attention to the daily price of their stocks instead of strengthening their operations and profit from bona fide operations.

    This is why, the stimulus package they are trying to ram through congress is so disgusting because it prevents a really good debate on its merits. The wrong analysis of the problem will also lead to the wrong solution. Capitalism has masqueraded as free enterprise when actually, they are the opposites. The capitalistic business (those that have tried to eliminate competition) are now rulers of the roost.

    • wodiej

      exactly. It is shortsighted to say the least to blame it all on one party. But see finger pointing gets people off the real and valid fact that this bill is nothing but OINK, OINK.

    • Steve1

      Well, I agree, to some extend. Yet, the Rebugs were in charge. President Bush screwed up in so many ways. The Repugs…..followed…, it could have been so much better!

      • wodiej

        and what did Pelosi, Reid and the Democratic controlled Congress do for the last 2 years? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Case closed.

        • beebop

          Don’t confuse the obots with facts. They might start to think more clearly.

  • Steve1

    Look, we all know the economy is in dire straits. Repubgs in control for past 8 years. When the Clintons exited WH, the economy was fine-tuned. Surplus, jobs, people were generally happy. Look what Repubs did? They screwed up, big-time! Two wars, Bin Laden, still a free man. The crooks in Wall Street, had free reign. We need a POA, which trickles up, MC, needs help, the stimules funds should be directed towards Americans, who need assistence with thier mortgages! The rest to help create immediate employment. Yes, some funds for those programs which have suffered for the past 8 yrs from Rebug neglect and Wall Street greed!

    • Faulkner

      Steve1-
      You seem to have forgotten the tech bubble during Clintons last term that burst leading to the rates being dropped which led us straight into the housing bubble. As well, I find it hard to swallow that the books where balanced when there was a gaping hole that ss and medicare inhabited. How can the books be balanced if the entitlements are way underfunded.

      By your twisted logic I can blame the 2 wars and 911 on the Clinton administration because they failed to actively respond to the attacks under their watch. If it had not been for their lack of repsonse, we would not be fighting 2 wars and rebuilding an economy after 9/11.

    • Welcome Back Carteh

      Call it “trickle up poverty.” Jobs are created in the private sector. There is a flight of capital from the US as investors realize the government will come in and take over the financial industry. Corporations and small businesses are being punished with the highest tax rates in the world, about to go even higher, and a freeze on credit. So, Obama proposes to create a bunch of government jobs which will take years to manifest. How will they be paid for? By raising taxes during a recession. It could potentially trigger a depression.

    • Patience

      Um, Steve, I’m not a big fan of Bush but you’re wrong about him inheriting a fine-tuned economy. He inherited a recession that began in the last year of Clinton’s administration.

      And actually, I just read today that Republicans are proposing changes in the stimulus package that would give homeowners more tax credits, temporarily lower mortgage rates, etc.

  • http://www.latinarepublican.com DD

    Ike Brannon says it best:

    Barack Obama’s Keynesian Mistake

    by Ike Brannon and Chris Edwards

    Federal policymakers are moving ahead with a huge $800-billion stimulus plan to return the U.S. economy to growth. Will it work? Decades of macroeconomic research suggest that it won’t. Indeed, the revival of old-fashioned Keynesianism to fight the recession seems to stem more from political expediency than modern economic theory or historical experience.

    The idea of using fiscal policy to boost the economy during a downturn was championed by John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s. Keynes argued that market economies can get stuck in a deep rut and that only large infusions of government stimulus can revive growth. He posited that high unemployment in the Great Depression was due to “sticky wages” and other market problems that prevented the return of full-employment equilibrium. Interestingly, Keynes did not offer any evidence that sticky wages were a serious problem, and later research indicated that wages actually fell substantially during the 1930s. Instead, one needs to look at a range of government interventions to explain why the downturn lasted so long.

    http://cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9931

    • Docelder

      Yes, maybe the Fed artificially lowering rates helped create this to begin with. Maybe we need to take our medicine and let the economy rebuild grass roots style… from the ground up. Maybe we might stop trying to spend our way out of debt. But, why waste a perfectly good crisis? Especially when your party elite have decades of repressed social engineering urges… and you owe next to every one of them for your new job?

    • Bazooka

      All very debateable… Keynes versus Freidman…. basic economics…

      the truth always seems to run in the middle… government spending probably does not stimulate the economy as much as people would want, just like tax cuts and trickle down may not work either…

      however, the risk of doing nothing is probably greater.

      we always know where the Cato Institute that you quote comes out, but these are the very same guys and think-tank that got us into this mess from the beginning…

  • Doc99

    I wonder if Frank Rich paid his taxes.

    At the dawn of the Obama Administration we have witnessed: four high-level appointees blow up over various issues, tax and otherwise (Richardson, Daschel, and Killefer get axed; Geitner stays); the appointment of at least 12 lobbyists to positions in the Administration — in direct contradiction of campaign promises; a pork-laden economic stimulus bill without precedent in US history; and the reversal of campaign positions concerning controversial policies like rendition.

    The first couple of weeks of the Obama Administration has simply reinforced my stated belief that the Obama campaign and subsequent election represents the biggest, most successful political con of my lifetime.

    http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/9116-Just-to-Reiterate-for-the-Record….html

  • Doc99

    Meanwhile, back on Capitol Hill, Congress now makes $174,000 annual for a 3 Day Work Week.

    Well, at least one Congressman earned his pay.

    Congressman John Carter introduced the Rangel Rule -
    All U.S. taxpayers would enjoy the same immunity from IRS penalties and interest as House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel (D-NY) and Obama Administration Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, if a bill introduced today by Congressman John Carter (R-TX) becomes law.

  • troll

    You guys in here are so happy today……U found something to obliterate Obama…..

    • Ani

      No one is happy. But a man’s got to know his limitations.

    • Peggy Sue

      No, Obama found a way to obliterate himself.

      Small but telling difference, Mr/Mrs/Ms troll.

      And happy? Not really. When the country goes down, we all go down together.

      But then I voted for Hillary. And then, the old guy.

      • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

        A year from now the country will be ready for the “Don’t blame me, I voted for McCain” bumper stickers.

        • Doc99

          I voted for Palin … the Other Guy was just on the ticket.

  • felizarte

    I wonder how long before they blame Hillary for the mess because she did not win? I think Hillary was smart to take a job that takes her away from DC most of the time, and from a bunch who just seem to be guessing in their analysis of the problems and solutions.

    Hillary had the correct approach: moratorium on home foreclosures, giving the homeowners a chance to have their mortgages re-written. She knew what needed fixing and in what order of priorities. Too bad. The “DC Club” were terrified of having a straight shooter in the White House.

    What we could have had.

    • Patience

      Amen.

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  • Wam ‘Bama Thank You Maam

    Hmmmm…what a coincidence…Obama has been called a “weak” idiot by Iran. The Pork Bill has been called out by real Americans for what it is…nothing but pay off for Obama’s ridiculous “selection,” the press is getting tepid on the Fraud, and his rating approval went all the way down to 60. Wow, so all the sudden BB and UKforMorons show up abusing anyone who doesn’t suck up to That One. ROFLMAO. Why do the owners of this site let this jackasses post? What a joke. Oh, yeah, Obot idiots how about all those corrupt wannabe cabinet members who just CAN’T PAY THEIR TAXES? This is the most foul group of people on the planet. Starting with the King Dirtbag Obama.

    [ADMIN: Your expressions of disgust are welcome, just try to explain WHY instead of just using a series of names. I'm not seeing any explanations for your POV. Thank you.

    P.S. God help us if we only allow people we agree with to post here. I'm not afraid of dissenting viewpoints, and none of us should be. Sometimes, I get my best ideas by reading a dissenting viewpoint. And once in a while, they're actually correct. The KEY is to treat their POVs with some respect and to express disagreement with rational arguments for the other side -- not by name-calling.]

  • cynic

    Has anyone actually looked carefully at what the Republicans are proposing as an alternative to the Democratic stimulus package?

    You can find it here in PDF format (Adobe Acrobat): http://rsc.price.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Econ_Recovery_Act_Highlights_Jan_14_2009.pdf

    Or here as HTML, if PDF drives you bonkers:
    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:RvOdzp2km-8J:rsc.price.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Econ_Recovery_Act_Highlights_Jan_14_2009.pdf+Economic+Recovery+and+Middle-Class+Tax+Relief+Act+of+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

    As I looked at their proposals, two questions came to mind:

    Who would make out like a bandit from each provision?

    What would the Republican plan do to the annual deficit, and the national debt?

  • Sassy

    Mr. Rich needs to put a sock in it!
    Republicans had NO input into this stimulus package that the “queen of pork” wrote.
    There are some good ideas on the right side of the aisle, to reduce the over-all costs and direct more funding into programs that could produce immediate results.
    Welfare checks will continue to go out…how about legislation to benefit those of us who will be paying the bill?

  • Cathy6224

    Comment by Faulkner | 2009-02-03 21:49:01

    BB-
    You have not been paying attention if you think Repubs are 100% at fault. Feel free to play the blame game and then complain when nothing gets done. If Pelosi and Reid wanted to, they could create their bills and send them straight to the white house for signing. The only reason they haven’t is because they don’t have the support of their own members because the bills are loaded with crap that wouldn’t stimulate a field mouse. Remember, Obama “won” so he can do as he pleases.——————————————————————-Faulkner you are so correct. The Democrats are just as much if not more to blame for this. CSPAN has televised previously where McCain, and other Republican, even Hillary Clinton forewarned of the housing crash unless something was done. Barney Frank is shown as well as Pelosi saying there is nothing to fix, nothing is wrong.
    I believe the Dems let this happen becuase they felt it would help them win the election. It did help them win, because people didn’t research how this mess came to be. As far as I am concerned Obama and the Dems DO NOT have america’s best interest in mind, just their own agendas.

  • Linda C.

    Tax cuts for businesses who have no business isn’t going to help. During a severe recession with a credit crisis, people horde their money, including businesses to weather the storm. How many of you are trying to stimulate the economy by buying a new car, or a new house right now? Let’s see a raise of hands please.

    Business aren’t complaining about their taxes. They are complaining about the cost of health care along with everyone else.

    Money for STD training isn’t stimulative? Sure it is. One needs to order products from printing companies, one needs to be hired to design those products and people need to be hired to teach the program and present the matierials. So yes it is stimulative, just not directly. But it does create a demand for goods and services where currently there is no demand.

    Lou Dobbs didn’t think the whatever million dollars for the gov. buying new auto mobiles was stimulative. C’mon I think people don’t have their thinking caps on. Giving bailout money to the auto companies so they can barely function isn’t stimulative as much as demanding a product from them. This is turn creates a demand for steel and all of the manufacturing chain that goes into producing the car that the government will buy.