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Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Obama is trying to divert attention 1) from his stinging loss in New Hampshire, and 2) from his inadequacies as a presidential candidate, mostly his cluelessness about what he’d actually do if he were president — most recently, about what he’d do to stimulate the economy.

“He speaks with so much passion, but I’m not sure what his views are on a lot of things,” says [Maurice] Frye. He worries about a poor economy and sagging U.S. dollar. He wants more substance. “I think he speaks too generally. Not being specific hurts him because no one knows him that well yet.”

Meekaaeel [DeBradley] agrees. “It’s good that he keeps saying what the problems are over and over again, but I need to hear the solutions, too,” he says. — From the Reno Gazette-Journal, January 13, 2008

People aren’t stupid. People can see that substantive plans are missing from his rhetoric. People can see that how he’ll make “change” happen isn’t spelled out. Well, at least those people who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid.

Renowned economist and NYT columnist Paul Krugman writes a devastating dissection of Obama’s economic stimulus package today. “Disreputable” is the term that Krugman uses to describe the Obama campaign’s first weak attempt. About Obama’s second attempt, delivered on Sunday, Krugman says it’s “tilted to the right” and that Obama “really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.”

We’ve heard that before, haven’t we, about Obama’s use of GOP talking points on Social Security and more. That Obama’s policies, such as they are, are far more conservative than those of Sen. Hillary Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards. Krugman also points out:

Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.

And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.

Dr. Krugman has joined the ranks of those of who dare question the Obama “hope” machine, hence his reference to “Hillary-haters.” He knows that, having published that column today, he will be deluged with hate mail.

It’s a disturbing phenomenon. For all their rapturous adoration of Obama’s message of “change” and “hope,” his followers — they’re really not so much supporters as they are Hari Krishna-like followers — are filled with ugly rage at anyone who dares to question their irrational beliefs.

Here’s what Dr. Krugman writes today about Obama’s “disreputable” first plan and right-leaning second plan:

The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar? [NOTE THE REFERENCE TO BUSH'S PLAN.]

Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.

For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy. …

It must also be noted that Dr. Krugman gives John Edwards his due — which makes Edwards a far more serious candidate than Obama will ever be:

On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party’s policy agenda. He’s done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.

Krugman is deadly serious about the need for sound, progressive economic stimulus packages because of a looming recession:

Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it’s quite possible that we’re already in one. As a result, over the next few weeks we’ll be hearing a lot about plans for economic stimulus.

Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy? ( Read all of Krugman’s column today.)

The only time I indulge in “hope” is when I think about the voters in the upcoming elections in South Carolina and Nevada. I “hope” they’ll keep wondering when Obama is going to talk more substantively about the issues. I “hope” they’ll read Paul Krugman. I “hope” they’ll read this guest column today at Taylor Marsh’s blog by Michael K. Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University and author of Republicans and the Black Vote. A registered Independent, he blogs at: MichaelFauntroy.com.

Fauntroy, a black man, is suffering the same fate as Paul Krugman, Larry Johnson, Taylor Marsh, me and others who dare to look past the message and assess if Barack Obama is able to be president:

It’s hard out here for Black pundits/analysts/commentators who haven’t come around to drinking the Barack Obama is the best-thing-since-sliced-bread-how-did-we-ever-exist-as-a-nation-without-him-this-is-our-last-best-chance-to-elect-a-Black-president-so-we-better-support-him-see-I-told-you-racism-is-dead Kool-Aid. I have learned an unfortunate lesson in observing the Democratic presidential nomination fight: In too many segments of the country – Black and White – to express any skepticism about Barack Obama is considered political heresy. I’m blown away by this discovery, because it suggests a dangerous group think: Obama is the only agent of change and to not praise him at every opportunity is to support the status quo. …
[...]

While I got slapped around by a few callers [on a radio show] (and gently by the host, an Obama supporter), one caller was particularly unhinged. … and went on about how Obama showed leadership in the Illinois legislature in opposing the war and that I was out of line for not giving him credit for this. I reminded the caller that Obama has not opposed one nickel of Bush spending to continue this travesty, but, alas, I was deemed unduly critical of “the Brother,” not to be taken seriously. By the way caller: Do you know how easy it is to oppose something when you have no skin in the game? Can anyone say for sure that he would not have voted to authorize Bush’s foolishness in Iraq if he were a member of the Senate in 2002? I’m willing to bet that Obama would have done as all the Senate Democrats who wanted to be president did: vote to support Bush so that their Republican general election opponent couldn’t say they were soft on terrorism.

All I’ve tried to do is add some reason and caution to the over-the-top response that many voters have for Obama. And I’ll keep doing it. I have thick skin, so it’s no big deal to me.

I also “hope,” as Krugman suggests, that political reporters “pay attention to what [the candidates] say about economic policy” instead of obsessing about this racism non-issue kerfuffle that Obama’s camp is pushing to divert attention from his woeful lack of substantive, progressive economic policies.

Hey, reporters! How about starting with this key point in Krugman’s op-ed?

the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals.

  • http://www.sourcewatch.org Artificial Intelligence

    In May 2004, William Finnegan wrote in The New Yorker that he had accompanied Obama to a “kiss-and-makeup-up session” with labor leaders from southern Illinois.

    Finnegan writes: “He mostly told the union men what they wanted to hear. Then he said, ‘There’s nobody in this room who doesn’t believe in free trade,’ which provoked a small recoil. These men were ardent protectionists. A little later, he said, with conviction, ‘I want India and China to succeed’—a sentiment not much heard in the outsourcing-battered heartland. He went on, however, to criticize Washington and Wall Street for not looking after American workers.

    “Later, I asked him if he wasn’t waving a red flag in front of labor by talking about free trade. ‘Look, those guys are all wearing Nike shoes and buying Pioneer stereos,’ he said. ‘They don’t want the borders closed. They just don’t want their communities destroyed.’”

    THIS is the kind of politician Obama is.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      One advantage of having no identifiable, enduring core beliefs (beyond self-promotion) or national record is that it’s not really necessary to wet a finger to check the wind.

      Just another politician who’s NOT Harry Truman.

      Excuse me, time to sing another chorus of, “Kumbayah.”

  • Bill Keyes

    Ok Susan,

    If you want to want to continually trash Obama that’s your prerogitive, however if you want to convince me, Shirin, Cee and others on this blog that Hillary is the better candidate, you need to spend more time dealing with the issues and stop dwelling on the all the negative press games. I for one dont give a rats ass whether Hillary’s tears are real or fake. A discussion of this on this blog or any place else is a total waste of time and is NOT going to put this country back on the track.

    You have a great deal of passion for what you believe in and I respect that, but this constant negative daily harping on Obama is NOT going to get you any Hillary converts on this blog.

    You said above about Obama..

    “I “hope” they’ll keep wondering when Obama is going to talk more substantively about the issues.”

    Fine..when the hell is Hillary going to talk about the issues?

    Shirin has pointed out many times very eloquently and logically way better than I can what Hillary’s record and statements are on Iraq, Iran, expanding the military and her relationship with Aipac and Israel, etc, which is why we call her “Bush Lite”.

    She has made few if any statements about undoing or changing ANY of the crap that the criminals in the WH have done to this country and on top of that here record shows she supported those criminals most of the time.

    Cenk Uygur a very good writer whom I admire has an excellent post on Huffpo today which I have reprinted in its entirety which says it all for me.

    The Real Case Against Hillary Clinton

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-real-case-against-hil_b_81248.html

    I have spent a lot of time defending Hillary Clinton over the last couple of weeks because of the silly nature of the attacks against her. The infamous “crying” episode is the most obvious example of this phenomenon.

    When it comes to the absurd personality based coverage of the major media outlets, she can’t catch a break. They can’t make up their minds whether she laughed or cried too much or too little. The only thing that is guaranteed is that she is guilty of all of the above, no matter what.

    Other than being ridiculous, this criticism also misses the real problem with Senator Clinton. There is ample ground on which to criticize the junior Senator from New York. She has surrounded herself with accomodationists and triangulators. Her advisors seem to constantly tell her to give half a loaf to the George Bush and Dick Cheney led Republicans until almost the whole loaf is gone.

    Other critics have done a better job of analyzing her advisors and her triangulation better than I can hope to do here. So, I want to focus on the one overwhelming problem with Hillary Clinton.

    She claims that George W. Bush is the worst president we’ve ever had. Yet in her entire time in the Senate she has never led one successful fight against him. She has either lost every legislative battle on Iraq, or worse yet, been complicit. The vote to authorize the war was one thing, but how about all of the votes to continue and support Bush’s war for all of the remaining years? Let alone every other issue on which Bush got exactly what he wanted, up to and including this year, when the Democrats and Senator Clinton were theoretically in charge.

    I understand that leaders are supposed to lead. Yet, I have never seen Senator Clinton lead her fellow Democrats in a successful challenge of President Bush. Never. That’s a pretty awful record.

    Now, it would be one thing if George Bush was a popular president who was hard to defeat politically. But in fact, he is the opposite. He is the most deeply unpopular president of our lifetimes. And Hillary Clinton kept getting her ass kicked by that guy.

    That’s the real criticism that should be leveled against Hillary Clinton. Yet I have almost never seen anyone make this point on TV. Part of the reason for that, of course, is because her opponents, Barack Obama and John Edwards did no better in their time in the Senate. So, they are embarrassed into an awkward silence on the matter.

    The reason I hold Senator Clinton to a higher standard, other than the fact that she has been there longer, is that she had the biggest name recognition and could have led her fellow Democrats — but chose not to. Instead she chose accommodation and capitulation. That’s a record worth criticizing, if anyone ever got around to it.

    • Kathleen

      Ditto! Give me a real anti “unnecessary” war candidate.

      Wish Senator Webb would have run..not there is an anti-war candidate. And he knows what war is about!

      I am sticking to you know that “white male” who learned the lessons of Iraq that the MSM keeps ignoring

    • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

      The problem I have with the constant harping on Obama’s real and/or perceived negatives is that it may damage one of the top Dem candidates, who may wind up the Dem nominee. Do we want to do that damage ahead of the general election? Because I don’t see a lot of significant differences between the top three Dem candidates. While there are significant differences between the Dems and the top GOP candidates–enough to keep me very worried about the GOP winning the White House.

      Another problem I have is that the posts are heavily weighted against Obama for things that, frankly, both Obama and Clinton campaigns are often guilty of.

      • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

        Leslie, trust me on this: The Republicans know all of that about Obama, and much, much more. I’ve looked up their info on him. They have dossiers on Obama that are inches thick. They are so ready. Whatever we write now won’t harm him in the general because the Republicans already have all of this information and much more. They are already fully loaded and know just where to aim.

        They’re just keepin’ low right now cuz they want him so badly in the general election because they can take him down so easily.

  • Kathleen

    Hillary has been following Edwards economic plan all the way. Edwards says he will raise the minimum wage to $9.25 an hour. A week later Hillary says she will raise the minimum wage. There have been several other instances of this.

    I am sure Obama has and will come up against race issues if not overt subtle. Just the way Hillary is coming up against gender issues.

    I for one am not holding the fact that Edwards is white and male against him.

    I am looking at their records, and how they have changed on issues.

    • GR3

      I hope Edwards stays in to keep progressive pressure on the other two front runners.
      While there are millions of anti-Hillary voters out there, the problem of media ignorance and basic selfishness is feeding the beast. There is only so much airtime so best to cover your ass and be a good employee. Like ABC’s Charles Gibson in the NH Democratic debate prefacing a question with “the surge has worked!”.
      Like most voters, I want substance. It’s hard to see in a political commercial and TV is not delivering much…as usual. Have there even been questions raised about the recent FCC action which totally rebuffed public comments? It’s a corporate agenda and if questions are to asked, it is during the Democratic nomination process.

      • Kathleen

        Whomever Edwards gives his votes to wins. He is playing a critical role in leading the debate even though the MSM ingores him. Who knows with all of this bickering between Obama and Clinton and the media’s attention on it..Edwards will get some attention.

        Will not be holding my breath. Hell some in the so called progressive media..MARK GREEN OWNER OF AIR AMERICA completely ignored Edwards second place win in Iowa. On Jan 5th he did a program on what happened in Iowa and all it was about was Obama Obama Clinton. Not just the MSM ignoring Edwards.

        Damn folks are afraid of what Edwards is saying.

        • GR3

          And that is part of the problem. ALL of the candidates should get more attention. The media is absorbed with themselves and how much money they can make from the primaries. Only when an emotional moment occurs does the media pay attention, and then they over-react. So do the candidates stay on message and bore everyone to tears, or do they get engaged and then attacked?

  • Kathleen

    Obama is under the spotlight which is a healthy process…but I still do not hear anyone NOT ANYONE asking Hillary about her vote for the 2002 war resolution and then for the aggressive and unnecessary Kyl Lieberman amendment. NO ONE

    Russert had her on for one hour and did not touch this issue.

    Did Russert give Obama an hour after his win in Iowa?

    • TeakWoodKite

      Did Russert give Obama an hour after his win in Iowa?

      That would interesting to watch.

    • BernieO

      Really? You don’t hear ANYONE asking Hillary about her vote on the Iraq War Resolution?? Either you haven’t been listening or you are deaf. This issue is brought up all the time, most recently yesterday on Meet the Press. Clinton discussed it at length, and explained yet again that the resolution vote authorized war as a last resort ONLY IF SADDAM REFUSED TO COOPERATE in disarming, if he did indeed have any WMD. The threat of war was the thing which got Saddam to do just that, allowing in the inspectors who found no WMD. There was no way to predict that Bush was brazen enough to attack anyway, given what we knew at the time. In hindsight we know just how dishonest and unilateral he really is but at that time no president had ever behaved this outrageously.
      If you are serious about hearing this issue discussed, not in just complaining about it, go to:
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608

  • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

    I don’t hear one of these big three talking about undoing the harm bu$hler’s done to the Constitution or unexpanding the illegally expanded Executive.

    I don’t hear one of them calling BS as bu$hler continues to just make shit up. None of them seem up to the minute in this world.

    Worrisome.

    • Cee

      Obama and Edwards on the Patriot Act

      In 2006 Obama voted for the re-drafted version of the Patriot Act that some critics contended made only minor changes to the original law.

      Obama conceded the re-written Patriot Act was “far from perfect,” but it improved on the original by creating protections against government searches of libraries, personal records and access to legal counsel for individuals involved in terror-related investigations.
      ————————————————-

      Q: Do you support revision or repeal of the PATRIOT Act?
      EDWARDS: I support dramatic revision of the PATRIOT Act. The last thing we should be doing is turning over our privacy, our liberties, our freedom, our constitutional rights to John Ashcroft. First

      • http://www.petgazette-pets.com OleHippieChick

        Ah, thanks, Cee. I’ll research our guys further. Seems like so long ago.

        And we’re not to the R-bashing stage of the election yet, so my second graf is premature. It’s exciting! There’s so much ammo.

        Forgive the trippiness, please, I quit the ciggies last week.

        • TeakWoodKite

          I quit the ciggies last week.

          Hang in there!

    • Bill Keyes

      All three are more concerned about saying whatever is necessary to win. While unfortunately that is the way elections are decided in this country, at least in the past, no matter who won you just hoped things wouldn’t get any worse.

      Also elections in this country are always negative especially across party lines.

      No one ever has a good thing to say about any incumbent, its always he/she was terrible so vote for me on my White Horse and I will change everything and don’t forget to give me a big donation.

      Why then is any one surprised when the turnout is so low. Most people really don’t believe their vote is going to change anything…..

      Same old shit different boss

    • Bill Keyes

      Amen

      • Kathleen

        What I can’t really understand is why in the hell would any sane individual want to inherit what these Republican “compassionate conservatives” have done to this country and Iraq? Why?

        They must love this country or they are simply insane!

  • http://politickybitch.blogspot.com/ nunya

    If Obama is exploiting racism, it’s because he CAN.

  • S. Markom

    The Clintons are psychopathic liars. In fact one of them paid a legal price for that.

    Race is not an issue Obama picked or started. That is a flat out lie. The Clintons out of sheer desperation to salvage a sinking ship intentionally went out and began this.

    Regarding Paul Krugman, this is a pseudo-economist who uses demagoguery and not facts to lay his so-called economic analysis. Jack Welsh who has far more credentials in this area than Krugman can even make up for himself, said today that there is no recession and it is unlikely one will occur.

    • Kathleen

      And the Bush administration are psychopathic liars and killers

      • S. Markom

        And the Bush administration are psychopathic liars and killers

        What does Bush have to do with my comment?

        • Taters

          Did you not vote for him twice?
          Reagan,the ersatz Gipper said deficits didn’t matter, are you from the same school?
          We know Bill Clinton lied about an affair, could you point where Hillary lied?

    • TeakWoodKite

      S. Markom: It would be helpfulif you would:
      1) call some a liar ; show some proof. It is not about what is is, ok I know the president lost his license to practice law.

      If as you say, race issue not an issue then why do bring it up? Are you refering to nunya’s post? Bill is not talking to Hillary or Obama. He’s talking to Mr Steele.

      Bill Moyers talks with Shelby Steele:

      BILL MOYERS: You say in here that his supporters want him not to do something, but to be something.

      SHELBY STEELE: Yes.

      BILL MOYERS: To represent something. What do you think they want him to be?

      SHELBY STEELE: I think to be very blunt about it, in a lot of that support is a desire for convergence of a black skin with the United States Presidency, with power on that level — the idea is that to have a black in that office leading a largely white country would be redemptive for America.

      IF as you say, ‘Jack Welsh who has far more credentials,it might be instructive to look at the effects of his economic philosophy.

      A critical consequence of Welch’s barge is the creation of a “corporation versus country” divide. Previously, when corporations were nationally based, profit maximization by business contributed to national economic success by ensuring efficient resource use. Today, corporations still maximize profits, but they do so from the standpoint of their global operations. Consequently, what is good for corporations may not be good for country.

      http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/10/thomas-palley-j.html

      http://www.thomaspalley.com/?page_id=11

  • TeakWoodKite

    Jack Welsh: there is no recession and it is unlikely one will occur.
    Politics aside, and respectfully, You want to re-think that?

    A sustained high price of Oil alone is getting this going never mind:
    1)subprime Mortgage
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a1r8gcqTEmD4&refer=home

    2)forclosures, 1 out of 33 homes in the Detroit.
    http://www.foreclosuredataonline.com/blog/foreclosures/us-cities-may-lose-billions-from-foreclosures/

    3)Trade deficit.

    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/conrad/conrad060205.html

    • S. Markom

      Nope. You mentioned some economic dislocations which come and go. We had a far worse dislocation following 9/11. The fundamentals of the economy are still sound inspite of higher energy prices (which we have had for years now) and the subprime mortgage scandal.

      However that is not to say that there are other economic dislocations that need to be resolved. Other than the deficit the economy would benefit from a targeted tax cut to the middle class and we need to compensate for the effects of NAFTA with job training and relocation programs. I realize it is in the best political interests for Democrats to convince people we are in a recession, but I would rather not see one.

      • TeakWoodKite

        but I would rather not see one

        Then take your head out the sand. LOL (I kid)

        I only took the 3 off the top of my head. What happened last time gold closed at an all time high?…MMMM oh yea the Carter Administration. What happened after that?

        The Grapes of Wrath is just over the event horizon. The only way to compensate for the effects of NAFTA is to dump it and align global trade with global labor.

        Respectfully,
        “I realize it is in the best political interests for Democrats to convince people we are in a recession”,

        1) Democrats don’t need to convince anyone.
        2) “The fundamentals of the economy are still sound” ….for example?

        http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/08/productivity_report.html

        I am sure there are items we could tennis with but in the next 18 months, all sectors of the economy are going to suffer and with it the people involved. An estimated 2 million people will be come homeless when the subprimes become EOL. You consider that a “dislocation”? The current and former fed chairs have said in so many words..”Hold on to your ass!”

      • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

        Democrats certainly do not need to convince anyone, including Republicans who have figured out on their own the financial mess that’s been brought on by the mortgage crunch and our spiraling consumer debt.

        Bloomberg/LA Times poll from October 2007:

        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=a2TWmuh3vHHI

        The number of all Americans who expect a recession has risen 5 percentage points since April, when 60 percent of those polled said it is likely within a year.

        More than one in five respondents to the latest poll call a recession very likely, while more than two in five say somewhat likely. Only 9 percent say a recession within a year isn’t at all likely. Even a majority of Republicans, who were much more sanguine about the economy than Democrats, say a recession is likely. Women are more bearish than men, with 73 percent saying they expect a recession versus 56 percent of men.

        • TeakWoodKite

          I did not even bring up the money flying out the door that feeds the monster.

          • S. Markom

            Rather than base reality on the feelings and mood of what average people predict, why not go by a survey of real economists:

            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEX73qWiBrb4&refer=home

            The U.S. will skirt recession as consumer spending slows without collapsing, a survey of economists showed.

            Economic growth will average 1.5 percent in the first six months of 2008, matching the fourth quarter’s pace, according to the median estimate of 62 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News from Jan. 3 to Jan. 8. The rate of expansion would be the weakest since the last nine months of 2001.

            “It’s soft economic activity that feels like a recession, but we probably won’t have one,” said Mickey Levy, chief economist at Bank of America Corp. in New York. “The state of the consumer is clearly softening, but spending is not declining. That’s very important.”

            “The debate here is whether the economy is quite weak or whether it is falling into a recession,” said James O’Sullivan, a senior economist at UBS Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut. “So far, I’m in the quite-weak camp.”

            Under any economic term a recession is an actual decline in the country’s GDP, unless you have a new economic model no one has yet heard of. Based on real numbers our GDP in the 2ndQ was +3.8% and in the 3rdQ was +4.9%.

            Will we see a recession? If we do not then it will lend even further support to the supple side policies of this administration and the strength of our economy. There are supposed to be four cycles that occur by natural market situations (expansion, prosperity, contraction, and recession). The Clinton recession was spurred by the too over-valued market particularly in technology and dot.coms. If there is a recession, and I hope there will not be one, under Bush it will be a result of the housing market that was too over-valued along with the financing that supported it.

            Keynesian economics went away with the horrific Nixon/Carter economic disaster. This country has operated very well with Supply Side economics since under Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush. It is the same economic model that was used by JFK when he implemented his tax cuts in the early ‘60s to stimulate the economy. If anyone is under the impression that Hillary will return us to Keynesian economics then you are being misled.

            • TeakWoodKite

              Supply side econ, keynesian econ…I started by saying , politics aside. You start by saying:

              Rather than base reality on the feelings and mood of what average people predict, why not go by a survey of real economists:

              Shoephone sited public opinion, I did not.

              a survey of real economists? That is a pole.

              “So far, I’m in the quite-weak camp.”

              “It’s soft economic activity that feels like a recession,”

              The forecast revisions are making a negative reading for fourth quarter GDP look more likely, and increasing the odds of a recession — generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative GDP

              http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/12/05/gdp-forecasts-continue-to-move-lower/

              Supply side econ gave us the current size of our national debt…the supplyside = “debts don’t matter.” And I am not “under the impression” that Hillary will go backwards. For me, the distribution of wealth in this economy is not viewed from rose colored glasses that some may wear. Still, S. Markom only time will tell and I wish you and well.

    • Cee

      Trends guru says you’ll be living in a storage bin next year

      By Staff

      (AXcess News) New York – Trends Journal publisher Gerald Celente says Wall Street will crash, everyone’s going to be living out of storage lockers and the government won’t be able to help.
      http://axcessnews.com/user.php/articles/show/id/13556

      • TeakWoodKite

        “Little boxes, on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky-tacky…”

        Malvina Reynolds

  • LuigiDaMan

    Will all you harpies about Hillary’s 2002 Iraq vote take a pill and chill.

    None of you are going to convince me that you would not have done the same thing if your butts were in the Senate that day.

    Get serious! I remember that year (the LSD flashbacks had not begun at that point) and I remember it very well: Everyone in this country was mad as hell and wanted to beat the crap out of Iraq because of 9/11.

    Chances are very good that you “boo birds” who now are now soooo against the war were probably for it the time up to the war.

    Yes, I am an old hippie who still opposes any and all war. But I remember clearly everyone singing in lockstep “Over there, over there, spread the word to beware…because the Yanks are coming…”

    I’m not holding it against you. We all make mistakes. HRC’s vote, however, was not a mistake. Going to war was. At that time Bushco had 90% approval ratings (I was in the other 10%). The entire country (and probably you who are now so against this war) was into smashing Iraq. So, we went and it was a huge mistake. Quit hanging it on Hill already. You were just as guilty.

    Do not try to rewrite history. And do not act so holier than Hill. It’s unbecoming.

    • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

      Hillary’s vote was a disastrous mistake, but please, continue spinning. The fact is that 23 Senate Democrats voted against the AUMF, including my own, Patty Murray.

      Obama has been a sorry joke with his votes for Iraq War funding, but Hillary will never live down her AUMF vote.

      • norris morris

        Pray tell who will you vote for?

        Obama with a disastrous backstory that will all come out.

        Obama with no experience and a hawk for secy of state?

        If not Hillary you will allow your country to go deeper in the hole?

        If Edwards makes it…you’ll be satisfied, but if not………………

        • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

          Not so. I’ve said many times that I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. That doesn’t mean I have to shut off my brain and my conscience and pretend to be happy with the choice. God knows I would rather have eaten rusty nails than support John Kerry in the 2004 primaries but once he got the nomination I voted for him.

          I much prefer Edwards over the other two, but I know what’s important in the end, and I still think that Clinton will make much better nominations to the Supreme Court than any Republican. Not as sure about Obama on that score, but that’s some nails I’ll have to eat while I mark my ballot. There is no perfect candidate, but McCain, Romney and Huckabee would pack the court with all right wing religious zealots who think that torture and war are just hunky dory.

          “Big picture” time.

    • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

      Furthermore, I and 30,000 of my fellow Seattleites marched against the coming war on February 15, 2003. Millions around the country and around the world took part in that day’s march. I guess some people knew the truth, eh?

      You are the one who is rewriting history and it ain’t pretty.

    • S. Markom

      How refreshing. Someone who does not believe in rewriting history.

      I would add to that the fact that with all her so-called concern over issues such as healthcare and energy prices the Clinton administration did nothing for eight years. So why should we believe they will do something with another 4-8 years?

    • TC

      Don’t project. Perhaps a lot of people were for it, but I wasn’t. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

    • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

      I remember how I felt back then, and while you may have been foolish enough to think that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, plenty of us knew better. Just because the people around you let you rant on doesn’t mean they agreed with you. They were probably just trying to avoid a useless argument. I know I avoided a few back then.

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  • K

    You are a racist pig, just like the Clinton’s.

    • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

      The Clintons have a racist pig?

      • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

        Hey – I hear George Clooney used to have two pet pigs. “Bud” and “Lou”.

        • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

          George’s last pig died, I think last year. I saw a People magazine story one day at the doctor’s office waiting room…. ugliest pig ever! But George loved him. I do hope his pig wasn’t racist though. George is so liberal!

          • TeakWoodKite

            Brother were art Thou?

  • TC

    I love this blog; it is an oasis of honesty and frankness in an era of fatuity and distraction. However, it seems that coming down so hard on Barack Obama, every day, to such a great degree, undercuts the credibility of this blog. Really, Barack Obama is better than Fred Thompson. He’s better than Huckabee. He’s better than Romney. He’s a lot worse than Edwards but I don’t think there is enough difference between Obama and Hilary to warrant such a steady, unrelenting attack. Surely if we want to hammer anyone this hard-and I’m not saying Obama isn’t fair game for criticism-surely those people should be the Republican candidates, or W or mealy-mouthed congresspeople who enable this war.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Very fair point, TC. If you use the site’s search engine, you’ll find many pieces on Thompson, McCain, etc. The thing is that the Democrats have a historic chance to get the presidency in 2008, and we hope fervently that they nominate the most able, ready-from-day-one candidate who can also be elected. Since the media aren’t much covering Obama critically — they’re enraptured by him for the time being — it’s incumbent on the “little people” like us to do the job. The scariest thing of all is that, if he gets the nomination, the GOP will come after him with all cylinders firing, and the posts here recently at NoQ will look downright favorable in comparison.

      If McCain keeps “catching on,” I’m sure you’ll see pieces from us on him. He’s another candidate that the media are smitten with. (Chris Matthews is gaga for McCain, as he is for Obama.)

      That GOP race is so strange. It seems like Republicans are flitting from one candidate to the next, falling in love briefly, then discarding each one to go for the next hot candidate-of-the-week.

      What do you think about the GOP race?

      • TC

        What do I think of the GOP race? I think it’s a freak show of greed vs. theocracy. It’s an obscene circus attraction of two really big tigers in a cage match. Money vs. Theocracy. Those are the two wings of the Republican party aren’t they? Any Republicans beg to differ? Your party has been gutted as far as I can tell. And it’s not coming back any time soon unless you draw a line in the sand and declaim these tactics.

        Susan-I appreciate that the entries on Obama will appear mild by comparison if he wins the nomination, but is that the point? Are we to lower ourselves to the point at which simply being more civil than Republicans is our benchmark? Simply because we do not have to attempt to show who is more masculine or who hates Arabs more, we’re superior? And as I said, I’m not an Obama backer. I also really like Edwards. But this primary cannibalism seems a disservice to democracy. For the Repubs they’re so unhinged anyway that I really don’t care. But for the alternative party-the party which-not coincidentally, many Americans’ political views coincide with, there should be a more sober consideration of views and policy considerations. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the circus freak show among the Repubs.

      • S. Markom

        The country has a history of going in long slow swings from right to left and back again. I had a professor in college who made us aware of that and said that the country was going to become increasingly conservative. This was in 1971 when you could not find a single conservative on any college campuses. He was of course right.

        We are in the process of swinging back the other way now so fundamental conservatives are becoming less relevant. The GOP is clearly indicative of that, and the party is trying to come to grips with that fact. In the end it comes down to partisan votes or “who else are you going to vote for?”

        And then there is Michael Bloomberg.

  • justsomeone

    “Reality: why Obama is exploiting racism” Wow, what a title! Thankfully the Dem National Party has asked that this crap stop. I agree with Michelle Obama’s accessment/analysis of Bill “Our 1st blk Prez” Clintons’ “fairytale” remark. If the title of this post was coming from a Republican source maybe then you’d understand why it’s so offensive. & to add insult to injury, ever since the Clintons started this crap everytime I turn on the tv Hillary is either huggin’ & kissin’ a blk person or sending out one of her old blk dem buddies to stick it to Obama. It’s so cheezy. & the real bitch of it: it’ll probably work.

  • justsomeone

    While I’m at it: I could care less if Obama got high when he was a kid. Atleast he owned up to it instead of saying stupid stuff like “I didn’t inhale.”

  • Marjorie

    Susan, thanks to you and to Taylor Marsh for your blogging. I go to both your blogs first thing every morning.
    I am a mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother. Senator Clinton has been most articulate in her support for children-their education, health care, and families. She refers to them as our future. And she is so correct. Presidents have sent our children into war after war in the name of security, patriotism, or whatever. They have wasted our resources and created misery at home and abroad. We have to go beyond agression and investment in the military. If we provide the best for our children, we can create a nation far more civilized and advanced than we have in the past. We need Senator Clinton as our next president. We cannot squander our children’s future with another short sighted president.

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