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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13212/reason-for-optimism-not-so-fast/#comment-1135595</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiscal....

No doubt that plenty of these assets comprise a variety of CDS which exacerbate the implied leevrage.

Your point about the &quot;renewal of defaulted loans&quot; is a VERY good one. In speaking with a former colleague he has informed me that institutional investors have largely stopped buying mortgage private label (Jumbo, ALT-A, and the like) because of fears of &quot;principal reduction&quot;.

Unintended consequences are enormous and unknown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiscal&#8230;.</p>
<p>No doubt that plenty of these assets comprise a variety of CDS which exacerbate the implied leevrage.</p>
<p>Your point about the &#8220;renewal of defaulted loans&#8221; is a VERY good one. In speaking with a former colleague he has informed me that institutional investors have largely stopped buying mortgage private label (Jumbo, ALT-A, and the like) because of fears of &#8220;principal reduction&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unintended consequences are enormous and unknown.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13212/reason-for-optimism-not-so-fast/#comment-1135585</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ame....not sure if your question is directed my way. 

I am going to attach my January 2009 Market Review, which highlights my market calls.



http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/30/january-2009-review/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ame&#8230;.not sure if your question is directed my way. </p>
<p>I am going to attach my January 2009 Market Review, which highlights my market calls.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/30/january-2009-review/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/30/january-2009-review/</a></p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choo Choo....you should enjoy today&#039;s piece. 

Happy Friday!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choo Choo&#8230;.you should enjoy today&#8217;s piece. </p>
<p>Happy Friday!!</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choo Choo....the insurance policy would work so that the government absorbs losses beyond a certain point. For instance once a security loses another 20% from its current valuation on the banks&#039; books, the governmetn will step in and abosrb future losses. 

This approach prolongs the entire flushing process, leaves the assets on the banks books, and leaves bank management in charge of the situation. 

Time....time...time...

As a result, I think future growth and the speed with which the economy may turn are diminished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choo Choo&#8230;.the insurance policy would work so that the government absorbs losses beyond a certain point. For instance once a security loses another 20% from its current valuation on the banks&#8217; books, the governmetn will step in and abosrb future losses. </p>
<p>This approach prolongs the entire flushing process, leaves the assets on the banks books, and leaves bank management in charge of the situation. </p>
<p>Time&#8230;.time&#8230;time&#8230;</p>
<p>As a result, I think future growth and the speed with which the economy may turn are diminished.</p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiscalliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you</description>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13212/reason-for-optimism-not-so-fast/#comment-1135215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO. This is what passes for sophistication and intelligence nowadays. Wow. So if I buy one, do I get the second free? Or even better, if they had a contest, would the first prize would be one coin and the second prize two of the pieces of crap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO. This is what passes for sophistication and intelligence nowadays. Wow. So if I buy one, do I get the second free? Or even better, if they had a contest, would the first prize would be one coin and the second prize two of the pieces of crap?</p>
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		<title>By: beebop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13212/reason-for-optimism-not-so-fast/#comment-1135199</link>
		<dc:creator>beebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are selling the Obama coins on the ObamaCoinNetwork.com ... I find it hysterical that they have to explain that the coins that are first minted will have the lowest numbers on them .... really?  ROFLMFAO ... only 19.75 and projected to be worth $175 ... maybe he &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; save our economy .... hahahahahahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are selling the Obama coins on the ObamaCoinNetwork.com &#8230; I find it hysterical that they have to explain that the coins that are first minted will have the lowest numbers on them &#8230;. really?  ROFLMFAO &#8230; only 19.75 and projected to be worth $175 &#8230; maybe he <em>can</em> save our economy &#8230;. hahahahahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Title insurance does not work exactly like you described it but close. It does not insure that the title is sound but that if it is unsound it will pay damages. Of course they require a title search to reduce their exposure. 

A government guarantee may actually cloud a title. Who did it guarantee value, on what basis, etc. Someone who looses may want to come back later and sue against the loss based on the previous guarantee if this or that or if they feel they had damages. I think a government guarantee against loss of value is a problem for any title holder down the line. It may be a panacea for lawyers. You would definitely need to hire a lawyer if you buy a property with a previous government issued market value guarantee. 

The best thing to me is for the government to guarantee that the toxic properties are disposed off in an orderly and determined way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Title insurance does not work exactly like you described it but close. It does not insure that the title is sound but that if it is unsound it will pay damages. Of course they require a title search to reduce their exposure. </p>
<p>A government guarantee may actually cloud a title. Who did it guarantee value, on what basis, etc. Someone who looses may want to come back later and sue against the loss based on the previous guarantee if this or that or if they feel they had damages. I think a government guarantee against loss of value is a problem for any title holder down the line. It may be a panacea for lawyers. You would definitely need to hire a lawyer if you buy a property with a previous government issued market value guarantee. </p>
<p>The best thing to me is for the government to guarantee that the toxic properties are disposed off in an orderly and determined way.</p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiscalliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lark-I am not sure that I undestand your point. Do I understand that a person buy&#039;s title insurance and it is the responsiilty of the insurer to see that the title is clear. If it is not the insurance goes up and you can decline the sale. 

If the bank sold short, do they not clear the title of this stuff? It&#039;s been 25 years since I bought my current house. I am interested in your point as I expect to down size and certainly might encounter something of this nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lark-I am not sure that I undestand your point. Do I understand that a person buy&#8217;s title insurance and it is the responsiilty of the insurer to see that the title is clear. If it is not the insurance goes up and you can decline the sale. </p>
<p>If the bank sold short, do they not clear the title of this stuff? It&#8217;s been 25 years since I bought my current house. I am interested in your point as I expect to down size and certainly might encounter something of this nature.</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government insurance or guarantee may create a title problem. How much would you like to have a title problem on the asset you just bought from an auctioneer or short seller?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government insurance or guarantee may create a title problem. How much would you like to have a title problem on the asset you just bought from an auctioneer or short seller?</p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13212/reason-for-optimism-not-so-fast/#comment-1135103</link>
		<dc:creator>fiscalliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD - it should be interesting to see if the government bad bank insurance program collects premiums like the FDIC does while security matures. A unknown factor is, do these toxic assets being insured have credit defaults behind them. 

The other unknown factor is, for those that the government purchases, how will the government handle the renewal of the defaulting loans in the securities. Writing down principle can increase losses. 

I sure hope some day, some one writes a book about what went on in this mess. The story could be as bad as the SEC Madow fiasco. 

Another question. A large part of the credit defaults were nonsence bets. I wonder if the government has nullified them because of the underwriters not having the capital to pay for the nonsense event default. Again - so much going on and after watching the SEC hearing yesterday, one cannot have a comfortable feeling that anything right is being done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD &#8211; it should be interesting to see if the government bad bank insurance program collects premiums like the FDIC does while security matures. A unknown factor is, do these toxic assets being insured have credit defaults behind them. </p>
<p>The other unknown factor is, for those that the government purchases, how will the government handle the renewal of the defaulting loans in the securities. Writing down principle can increase losses. </p>
<p>I sure hope some day, some one writes a book about what went on in this mess. The story could be as bad as the SEC Madow fiasco. </p>
<p>Another question. A large part of the credit defaults were nonsence bets. I wonder if the government has nullified them because of the underwriters not having the capital to pay for the nonsense event default. Again &#8211; so much going on and after watching the SEC hearing yesterday, one cannot have a comfortable feeling that anything right is being done.</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to your question may appear later since it does not want to appear now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to your question may appear later since it does not want to appear now.</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. I have given my answer to the problem since they surfaced in August and Sept of last year. I believe that the function of the government or the Treasury Dept is to organize the process of bringing the toxic assets into the market and provide for a steady process of auctioning the assets in an orderly, rational, inform, logical, formal, and determined manner. 

I would be against bringing all the assets at once or in a disorderly and disarrayed manner. But truthfully and with conviction. The government must not allow for the banking and institutional system to manage the process on their own or to manipulate the process to their own benefit. The process must be fair and balanced but the benefits must fall on those who bid and have the cash to buy those assets. 

The most important duty of the government is to see that ownership or title be conveyed legally, honestly and fairly from those who auction them to those who buy them. Because many shenanigans can appear to damage the conveyance of title. So government must insist on a well managed and transparent method of conveying title.

That&#039;s the role of government. That&#039;s what I advocate. Nothing more, nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. I have given my answer to the problem since they surfaced in August and Sept of last year. I believe that the function of the government or the Treasury Dept is to organize the process of bringing the toxic assets into the market and provide for a steady process of auctioning the assets in an orderly, rational, inform, logical, formal, and determined manner. </p>
<p>I would be against bringing all the assets at once or in a disorderly and disarrayed manner. But truthfully and with conviction. The government must not allow for the banking and institutional system to manage the process on their own or to manipulate the process to their own benefit. The process must be fair and balanced but the benefits must fall on those who bid and have the cash to buy those assets. </p>
<p>The most important duty of the government is to see that ownership or title be conveyed legally, honestly and fairly from those who auction them to those who buy them. Because many shenanigans can appear to damage the conveyance of title. So government must insist on a well managed and transparent method of conveying title.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the role of government. That&#8217;s what I advocate. Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: ame</title>
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		<dc:creator>ame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...You&#039;re on the fence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;You&#8217;re on the fence?</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you should have had reasons for optimism either way. for the government to try to hold deflation by artificial means is immoral. Deflation is as much of a right as inflation is. Losing is just as much of a right as winning and regret is as much of a right as greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you should have had reasons for optimism either way. for the government to try to hold deflation by artificial means is immoral. Deflation is as much of a right as inflation is. Losing is just as much of a right as winning and regret is as much of a right as greed.</p>
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