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		<title>By: minnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>minnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the doctor implanted 6 embryos and two split. doctor should be fired and mother given an insanity check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the doctor implanted 6 embryos and two split. doctor should be fired and mother given an insanity check.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13252/grandma-to-86-mom-enough-already/#comment-1134627</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the fact that the US is merely working at what amounts to replacement rate, you believe we should go to what number?  I&#039;ll have a baby and the next door neighbor will admire mine?  This is not what our nation was founded on.

And what are you suggesting as your method for enforcement of the new rules?  Sterilization?  Abortion?  Birth control pills in the water?    

If we have overpopulation in this country, wouldn&#039;t the immigration policy that is being suggested, of making several million immigrants citizens, just make us come off as an even larger consumer?  Will we get credit, when the rest of the world says that we use too many resources, for the people we have taken in from other countries?

And, have you noticed, that all of the nations that have complained about our overconsumption are now wondering what they&#039;re going to do since our &quot;over consumption&quot; has been reduced and their economy is affected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the fact that the US is merely working at what amounts to replacement rate, you believe we should go to what number?  I&#8217;ll have a baby and the next door neighbor will admire mine?  This is not what our nation was founded on.</p>
<p>And what are you suggesting as your method for enforcement of the new rules?  Sterilization?  Abortion?  Birth control pills in the water?    </p>
<p>If we have overpopulation in this country, wouldn&#8217;t the immigration policy that is being suggested, of making several million immigrants citizens, just make us come off as an even larger consumer?  Will we get credit, when the rest of the world says that we use too many resources, for the people we have taken in from other countries?</p>
<p>And, have you noticed, that all of the nations that have complained about our overconsumption are now wondering what they&#8217;re going to do since our &#8220;over consumption&#8221; has been reduced and their economy is affected?</p>
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		<title>By: Snickers</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13252/grandma-to-86-mom-enough-already/#comment-1134404</link>
		<dc:creator>Snickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Heather, I suggest you read Plan B by Lester Brown, president of the Earth Policy Institute.  Plan B is the one that should be put into effect since our Plan A (the one we&#039;re currently using) is not working.  And over population is a huge factor already.  We are already having resource wars in different places.  And since so many countries have already pumped out various fossil aquafirs (which don&#039;t replenish by the way - once they&#039;re gone, they&#039;re gone) we&#039;re going to be having a water crisis all over - worse than what&#039;s happening now.  If we&#039;re a responsible species then we need to look at our irresponsible actions like overpopulation and how it&#039;s impacting this planet and the other species who are literally dying because of us.  I&#039;m with Foxx, we can no longer have as many children as we want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Heather, I suggest you read Plan B by Lester Brown, president of the Earth Policy Institute.  Plan B is the one that should be put into effect since our Plan A (the one we&#8217;re currently using) is not working.  And over population is a huge factor already.  We are already having resource wars in different places.  And since so many countries have already pumped out various fossil aquafirs (which don&#8217;t replenish by the way &#8211; once they&#8217;re gone, they&#8217;re gone) we&#8217;re going to be having a water crisis all over &#8211; worse than what&#8217;s happening now.  If we&#8217;re a responsible species then we need to look at our irresponsible actions like overpopulation and how it&#8217;s impacting this planet and the other species who are literally dying because of us.  I&#8217;m with Foxx, we can no longer have as many children as we want.</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13252/grandma-to-86-mom-enough-already/#comment-1134353</link>
		<dc:creator>cathnealon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some wealthy person somewhere will take pity on those 8 new babies and the 6 children at home and give her a huge house and supplies, just wait. Too bad children can&#039;t have a say what family thy&#039;re born into because this woman seems very, very unstable and it&#039;s not the children&#039;s fault. And NO, we should never limit the size of families in the U.S for God&#039;s sake this isn&#039;t China--yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some wealthy person somewhere will take pity on those 8 new babies and the 6 children at home and give her a huge house and supplies, just wait. Too bad children can&#8217;t have a say what family thy&#8217;re born into because this woman seems very, very unstable and it&#8217;s not the children&#8217;s fault. And NO, we should never limit the size of families in the U.S for God&#8217;s sake this isn&#8217;t China&#8211;yet.</p>
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		<title>By: socalannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>socalannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear.  This selfish, irresponsible woman makes me sick.  Just what society needs...another lazy egomaniac to support.  I think the Dr or clinic should lose its license &amp; the lazy woman should have to work.  I have sympathy for the kids, they didn&#039;t ask for this, but the mother &amp; grandparents sound like they&#039;re demented.  I&#039;m glad she hasn&#039;t been able to cash in on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear.  This selfish, irresponsible woman makes me sick.  Just what society needs&#8230;another lazy egomaniac to support.  I think the Dr or clinic should lose its license &amp; the lazy woman should have to work.  I have sympathy for the kids, they didn&#8217;t ask for this, but the mother &amp; grandparents sound like they&#8217;re demented.  I&#8217;m glad she hasn&#8217;t been able to cash in on this.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they have only had two pregnancies, they have adopted children already born like the McCains adopted the child given to them by Mother Theresa. 

And I, too, am wondering where all this money came from to pay the bills because artificial insemination isn&#039;t cheap and most of us can&#039;t even afford basic health care any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they have only had two pregnancies, they have adopted children already born like the McCains adopted the child given to them by Mother Theresa. </p>
<p>And I, too, am wondering where all this money came from to pay the bills because artificial insemination isn&#8217;t cheap and most of us can&#8217;t even afford basic health care any more.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCollier</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnieCollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not the version I heard.  &lt;em&gt;All&lt;/em&gt; of her children have been implanted.  She knew that she was having multiple births because she had to take bed rest early on.  Any physician who would implant more embryo&#039;s in a woman with 6 previous ones should lose his license.

Someone on TV earlier tried to compare this welfare mother with Angelina Jolie. Bradangelina?  They can afford the children they have and the money they take for pictures goes to charity.  And, btw, I&#039;m not a fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not the version I heard.  <em>All</em> of her children have been implanted.  She knew that she was having multiple births because she had to take bed rest early on.  Any physician who would implant more embryo&#8217;s in a woman with 6 previous ones should lose his license.</p>
<p>Someone on TV earlier tried to compare this welfare mother with Angelina Jolie. Bradangelina?  They can afford the children they have and the money they take for pictures goes to charity.  And, btw, I&#8217;m not a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Neverland</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13252/grandma-to-86-mom-enough-already/#comment-1134116</link>
		<dc:creator>Neverland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I come from a country of 5 million people where politicians are planning to take in 100.000 immigrants just to get tax euros. However, the unemployment figures among immigrants is already high (for example somalians with 90%) so I&#039;m less than confident about this plan. Certain groups value big families at the expense of education and working.

Also, I&#039;ve worked with refugees as a volunteer and it&#039;s a complete jungle. Europe is going to face a lot of problems because some groups simply do not want to integrate in the culture they&#039;ve moved into, they just want a piece of their own. There&#039;ll be many many Kosovos to come, we can be sure of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I come from a country of 5 million people where politicians are planning to take in 100.000 immigrants just to get tax euros. However, the unemployment figures among immigrants is already high (for example somalians with 90%) so I&#8217;m less than confident about this plan. Certain groups value big families at the expense of education and working.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve worked with refugees as a volunteer and it&#8217;s a complete jungle. Europe is going to face a lot of problems because some groups simply do not want to integrate in the culture they&#8217;ve moved into, they just want a piece of their own. There&#8217;ll be many many Kosovos to come, we can be sure of that.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13252/grandma-to-86-mom-enough-already/#comment-1134057</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uck.  That gives me the creeps.  We are not those people that make these kinds of proclamations. Are we?   Also, you may want to look at the birth rates of all of the developed nations - the U.S., for example, has a total fertility rate of 2.1 children/woman.  Spain is at 1.3 children/woman, Russia is at 1.4/woman with a death rate higher than their birth rate.  Many of the European countries have similar statistics.

I have been interested in how population, demographics, and immigration intersect.  It&#039;s particularly interesting to me to study why countries need immigration.   What was interesting to me was that low birth rate, combined with programs such as socialized health care, programs for the elderly, welfare, etc.  create a little revenue challenge for the state.  Picture the nation as a pyramid with those of highest need (and therefore greater tax burden, and often lower tax paying) at the top of the pyramid.  At the bottom of the pyramid, you need constantly maturing citizens to collect taxes from.  When that doesn&#039;t happen, they use immigration to fulfill the need.

In countries like say, Denmark, for example, the government instituted some pretty liberal immigration policies some years back.  As a result, they have many, many immigrants, and now are finding that some these people, much to their chagrin, do not wish to become part of the Danish culture, and now exist in such numbers that they represent a voting bloc. I have recently read of some disturbing patterns emerging there and in other countries in Europe, that I, for one, hope not to see repeated here. 

You may also look to Japan, for what is happening there as a result of their low birth rate.  They are actually trying to get employees to go home earlier from work so that they can make babies.  Russia has resorted to sort of sex holidays where workers are encouraged to take the day off and go have sex.  They also recently tried a moratorium on abortion for a week in order to increase the birth rate -- they are that desperate.

At any rate, any time I hear people talking about taking free choices like your comment seemed to, it sends shivers up my spine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uck.  That gives me the creeps.  We are not those people that make these kinds of proclamations. Are we?   Also, you may want to look at the birth rates of all of the developed nations &#8211; the U.S., for example, has a total fertility rate of 2.1 children/woman.  Spain is at 1.3 children/woman, Russia is at 1.4/woman with a death rate higher than their birth rate.  Many of the European countries have similar statistics.</p>
<p>I have been interested in how population, demographics, and immigration intersect.  It&#8217;s particularly interesting to me to study why countries need immigration.   What was interesting to me was that low birth rate, combined with programs such as socialized health care, programs for the elderly, welfare, etc.  create a little revenue challenge for the state.  Picture the nation as a pyramid with those of highest need (and therefore greater tax burden, and often lower tax paying) at the top of the pyramid.  At the bottom of the pyramid, you need constantly maturing citizens to collect taxes from.  When that doesn&#8217;t happen, they use immigration to fulfill the need.</p>
<p>In countries like say, Denmark, for example, the government instituted some pretty liberal immigration policies some years back.  As a result, they have many, many immigrants, and now are finding that some these people, much to their chagrin, do not wish to become part of the Danish culture, and now exist in such numbers that they represent a voting bloc. I have recently read of some disturbing patterns emerging there and in other countries in Europe, that I, for one, hope not to see repeated here. </p>
<p>You may also look to Japan, for what is happening there as a result of their low birth rate.  They are actually trying to get employees to go home earlier from work so that they can make babies.  Russia has resorted to sort of sex holidays where workers are encouraged to take the day off and go have sex.  They also recently tried a moratorium on abortion for a week in order to increase the birth rate &#8212; they are that desperate.</p>
<p>At any rate, any time I hear people talking about taking free choices like your comment seemed to, it sends shivers up my spine.</p>
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		<title>By: KmX</title>
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		<dc:creator>KmX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible that the doctor implanted 2 embyros. But a split must have oocured resulting in 8.  Nadya knew she was carrying 7 embyros and was told she should consider aborting 5.  She refused to abort her embryos.  it wasn&#039;t until the doctors at Kaiser Permanente delivered the babies that they realize she had 8.

All Nadya wanted was another girl.  She was not expecting 8 more children.  I think we should be very careful how quick we are to Judge her.

The doctor has no control over how many embyros wil split into 2.  If he did indeed implanted only 2 embyros, Why should he need discipline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that the doctor implanted 2 embyros. But a split must have oocured resulting in 8.  Nadya knew she was carrying 7 embyros and was told she should consider aborting 5.  She refused to abort her embryos.  it wasn&#8217;t until the doctors at Kaiser Permanente delivered the babies that they realize she had 8.</p>
<p>All Nadya wanted was another girl.  She was not expecting 8 more children.  I think we should be very careful how quick we are to Judge her.</p>
<p>The doctor has no control over how many embyros wil split into 2.  If he did indeed implanted only 2 embyros, Why should he need discipline?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing it scientifically doesn&#039;t even fly.  The risk that was undertaken to implant 8 embryos into a woman was insane.  The oath says &quot;do no harm&quot;.  It could have killed her.  The fact she was willing to risk that leaving her six already born children essentially orphans is mystifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing it scientifically doesn&#8217;t even fly.  The risk that was undertaken to implant 8 embryos into a woman was insane.  The oath says &#8220;do no harm&#8221;.  It could have killed her.  The fact she was willing to risk that leaving her six already born children essentially orphans is mystifying.</p>
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		<title>By: James (San Diego)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James (San Diego)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole affair is huge mess that will of course all end up both in tears and in the courts.

I see a family court appearance for &quot;super mom&quot; and grandma too. Don&#039;t know if the city of Whittier or the County of Los Angeles will have to perform the dirty deed, maybe they will flip a coin.  With this little drama splashed all across page one of the local and national news can Child Protective Services be that far behind? The local authorities are probably dotting their i&#039;s and crossing their t&#039;s to make sure the inevitable imposition of state care will be as above board as possible.

So the short answer to the question posed by dcmediagirl is rather easy.  It is the lucky tax-payers of California that will eventually get stuck with the bill.  The children will most likely end up in foster care or group homes.  The state can not have 14 children crammed into a three bedroom house, not in view of the national media at least. 

How Governor Terminator will find the funds to support this brood when the Golden State is bankrupt is another question. Plus he or more properly his administration is going to have to find out how the medical safeguards were overridden.  Look for Sacramento to fire-up the printing presses and create even more regulations and laws. 

Also look for the medical field to do a top-to-bottom review of policies and procedures regarding IVF.  Look for regulatory entities to crack down on enforcement and oversight. And yes look for Glenn Beck to have a field day with this story. It is a daily double for him and the anti-immigrant crowd not only is the female a foreigner she is a Arab. Glenn must feel that he has died and gone to heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole affair is huge mess that will of course all end up both in tears and in the courts.</p>
<p>I see a family court appearance for &#8220;super mom&#8221; and grandma too. Don&#8217;t know if the city of Whittier or the County of Los Angeles will have to perform the dirty deed, maybe they will flip a coin.  With this little drama splashed all across page one of the local and national news can Child Protective Services be that far behind? The local authorities are probably dotting their i&#8217;s and crossing their t&#8217;s to make sure the inevitable imposition of state care will be as above board as possible.</p>
<p>So the short answer to the question posed by dcmediagirl is rather easy.  It is the lucky tax-payers of California that will eventually get stuck with the bill.  The children will most likely end up in foster care or group homes.  The state can not have 14 children crammed into a three bedroom house, not in view of the national media at least. </p>
<p>How Governor Terminator will find the funds to support this brood when the Golden State is bankrupt is another question. Plus he or more properly his administration is going to have to find out how the medical safeguards were overridden.  Look for Sacramento to fire-up the printing presses and create even more regulations and laws. </p>
<p>Also look for the medical field to do a top-to-bottom review of policies and procedures regarding IVF.  Look for regulatory entities to crack down on enforcement and oversight. And yes look for Glenn Beck to have a field day with this story. It is a daily double for him and the anti-immigrant crowd not only is the female a foreigner she is a Arab. Glenn must feel that he has died and gone to heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: James (San Diego)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James (San Diego)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know this is going to come up again when the nation debates health care reform.</description>
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		<title>By: andrew191</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re Iraqis and she was impregnated during the Bush administration. Why has nobody here besides me come to the obvious conclusion that this is ALL GEORGE BUSH&#039;S FAULT!! AND CHENEY IS THE UNKNOWN SPERM DONOR!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re Iraqis and she was impregnated during the Bush administration. Why has nobody here besides me come to the obvious conclusion that this is ALL GEORGE BUSH&#8217;S FAULT!! AND CHENEY IS THE UNKNOWN SPERM DONOR!!</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Angelina is rich. She can support 14 kids.

Just sayin.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Angelina is rich. She can support 14 kids.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230;..</p>
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