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Dick Cheney, Incompetent Hypocrite

Dick Cheney, former vice president, reaches new lows of desperation in trying to smear the Obama Administration as a cowardly bunch of surrender monkeys. Cheney’s tin ear apparently extends to his appreciation (or lack thereof) of irony. Cheney helps expose the identity of an undercover CIA officer and is a key player in the Bush Administration, who utterly failed to bring Bin Laden to justice and he wants to lecture Obama on protecting America. Here’s the reality–Cheney and Bush failed to fully punish those who attacked us and now, according to Cheney’s own words, left us more vulnerable. Here’s what he told Politico:

Former Vice President Dick Cheney warned that there is a “high probability” that terrorists will attempt a catastrophic nuclear or biological attack in coming years, and said he fears the Obama administration’s policies will make it more likely the attempt will succeed.

In an interview Tuesday with Politico, Cheney unyieldingly defended the Bush administration’s support for the Guantanamo Bay prison and coercive interrogation of terrorism suspects.

And he asserted that President Obama will either backtrack on his stated intentions to end those policies or put the country at risk in ways more severe than most Americans — and, he charged, many members of Obama’s own team — understand.

“When we get people who are more concerned about reading the rights to an Al Qaeda terrorist than they are with protecting the United States against people who are absolutely committed to do anything they can to kill Americans, then I worry,” Cheney said.

Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”…

But he said he worried that “instead of sitting down and carefully evaluating the policies,” Obama officials are unwisely following “campaign rhetoric” and preparing to release terrorism suspects or afford them legal protections granted to more conventional defendants in crime cases.

The choice, he alleged, reflects a naive mindset among the new team in Washington: “The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected. Sometimes, that requires us to take actions that generate controversy. I’m not at all sure that that’s what the Obama administration believes.”…

“If you release the hard-core Al Qaeda terrorists that are held at Guantanamo, I think they go back into the business of trying to kill more Americans and mount further mass-casualty attacks,” he said. “If you turn ’em loose and they go kill more Americans, who’s responsible for that?”

Listen up you big Dick, if you guys had spent your energy on tracking down Osama Bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman Zwahiri rather than squandering our nation’s wealth and blood in Iraq and exposing the identity of a covert CIA officer and her network of spies then we might be safer. But by your own admission the terrorists are still in a position to harm America because you guys fucked the dog.

Dick Cheney, I despise you and all you stand for. You are a self-indulgent coward. You dodged the draft but had no qualms about sending the sons and daughters of others into a war we did not need to fight. You helped divert the United States from the mission of destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. You promoted Republican policies to persecute homosexuals and yet insisted on protecting your lesbian daughter.

Your hypocrisy and callowness are breathtaking. Like some shallow teenager you pledged to protect and defend the Constitution and then promoted policies and practices that violated not only the Constitution but the rule of law in general. You blithely ignore international agreements–e.g., The Geneva Convention, The International Declaration on Human Rights, , the Federal torture statute, 18 U.S.C. 2340 2340A, section 1003 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, 42 U.S.C. 2000dd and the Convention Against Torture, Common Article 3.

Let’s hope for karma. Please travel to Europe. Give the Government of Spain a chance to arrest you for war crimes. At least you would enjoy the legal protections you so gratuitously dismiss as nonsense. You are a stain on the reputation of America. One thing about Barack Obama–he was never a damn draft dodger while his country was at war. Not so with you Dick!

  • KintheNorthwest

    Sorry but I am one of the Americans that feel that the closing of the Guantanamo Prison and puting these guys on American soil just might not be the best thing for America.
    Already several of the released prisoners have gone back to help with other terriorist groups.
    From all that I have been reading we are going to give All of these guys trail rights that American citizens have.
    Hey who is going to pay the bills for the trials. The 12th Hijackers trial cost Americans millions of dollars. What will all of the guy’s in Guantanamo Prison cost the Amercians. Dont forget we have to find a new place to house them too!! What will that cost.

    • MrMike

      Hey who is going to pay the bills for the trials.

      I would imagine it would be the same people who kept them locked up and fed them all these years without bringing them to trial.

    • Bazooka

      Two comments on Dick:

      1) even though this guy look grandfatherly and has been in Washington for a very long time he ain’t now genius. He is a fairly uneducated idiot with not much intellectual capacity. There is nothing in his bio to suggest a particularly bright or successful guy. He only is very good a playing back-stabbing politics and using his political contacts to win business for corporations.

      2) he probably should be in jail for what he has done regarding the Iraq war, the outing of Plame, and pushing all the power into the executive branch.

      He and Bush will go back to private life and hang-out with their cronies, who I am sure he has gotten very rich over the years, and occasionally pop-out and play “gotcha” with Obama.

  • mountainaires

    Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”…

    – Dick Cheney

    I’d say that Dick Cheney is just as mean, dirty, nasty as any terrorist out there. If we have to become the terrorists to “win this fight” then that means we have become as “evil” as the terrorists. They will have recruited us into their “mean, dirty, nasty business.”

    But if we “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” then we hold the moral high ground, and they cannot recruit us to their “mean, dirty, nasty business.” We won’t become as “evil” as the terrorists we are trying to fight.

    Sun Tzu advocated knowing your enemy; not becoming him.

    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

      Sun Tzu never had to live with civilization ending threats such as biological or nuclear weapons

      • wodiej

        I’ll second that. I dislike Cheney even more but when dealing with hate, the only thing to do is fight back. Hate is unreasonable emotion with no logic. Reasonable force to protect our country and people.

      • Strawberrybitch

        seattle, biological warfare has been around since before Sun Tzu. And do you really think a bunch of nuts with boxcutters can take down the US? And as far as nukes go, even if they can develop a nuke, it’s the delivery system that is the real pain in the ass. Just ask North Korea. These guys have to buy their technology and have folks train them to use them. Just like we had to show them what oil was, where to find it and how to get it out of the ground. The only ones that can destroy America are folks like Cheney. I myself, have the utmost respect and confidence in men like Larry and the men in my family who have dedicated their lives to protecting America. Cheney on the otherhand has dedicated his life to making money off the blood of better men.

        • Zeke

          Puhleeze,
          When one doesn’t understand how the game can be played, they are at a distinct disadvantage. WMD’s can be delivered by UPS. They can be in any shipping container, moving van, net flix envelope or jar of peanut butter. To blithely minimize a threat due to a lack of imagination is utter foolishness.
          For you to assert that “these guys have to buy their technology,” is out and out racism.
          And a bunch of “nuts with box cutters” killed more Americans than Iraq and Afghanistan together.
          Graveyards are absolutely full of fools. One should never volunteer.
          “They couldn’t hit an elephant at this distance,” last words of Civil War General John Sedgwick just before being shot by a sniper.
          IMHO the CIA’s recent track record is a joke looking for a sitcom.

        • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

          Give me a break strawberry!.
          The enemy won’t be using box cutters next time been there done that!
          You want to compare the technology of 700BC with today…LOL

      • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

        Dude,
        The terrorists have no nuke or bio capability. However, we have lived with that threat, which Russia and China both possess, for more than 60 year. How did we do that without collapsing into a puddle of tears?

        • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

          Thats’ your opinion…I guess we will find out if they can hatch a dirty bomb and cause chaos
          I probably would keep our guard up and not just hope for the best.
          Especially since we haven’t been attacked since 911
          Like a goalie…If one gets through on Obama’s watch when every one is talking cut backs and investigations then it’s curtains for the democrats…and Hillary unfortunately!

        • RebelCarol

          However, we have lived with that threat, which Russia and China both possess, for more than 60 year. How did we do that without collapsing into a puddle of tears?

          Larry, I dislike disagreeing with you, but for once I feel I must respond to you: We did that by showing our strength, not our weaknesses.

          • MrMike

            Korea was a stalemate and Vietnam was a loss. How is that showing our strengths? We haven’t been attacked again because 911 was a one trick pony, not because of anything Bush or Cheney did.
            If we get hit with a dirty bomb or any kind of terrorism it will be because the Bush&Dick show wasted resources in Iraq destabilizing that country instead of wiping out bin Laden and his followers and not securing ports and borders.

    • RebelCarol

      “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,”

      How do you propose defending against all enemies, foreign and domestic without resorting to fighting to protect our Country? What is this “Moral High Ground” that you are talking about? when fighting terrorism, there is no such thing as a moral high ground, you fight them as they fight you. Give No Quarter!

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    I don’t like the hypocrisy of Bush/Cheney either. They have been disgraceful.

    However, because Obama didn’t have an opportunity to respond to a draft, it seems like a poor comparison. Who knows whether he’d have suited up or not? But I’m guessing NOT.

    • oowawa

      Yep. Comparisons with the Bushies are the biggest asset O has going for him right now. As we trek onward from Jan. 20, 2009, this advantage will become gradually less meaningful. He’s going to have to stand or fall on his own merits.

      • beebop

        It rings a little like the bushies cry of “but, but, but Clinton” without anything good — like peace or prosperity — behind it.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        Yes. It got him elected by smearing McCain as BushIII. And yes again. He’s beginning to look just as clueless as GWB.

      • tek

        oowawa: very good point.

      • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

        “As we trek onward from Jan. 20, 2009, this advantage will become gradually less meaningful.”

        Absolutely right, oowawa. That clock is down under a minute. It ain’t on Bush-Cheney no more.

        The media’s about to turn as well. Chris Matthews said something about the stimulus bill today that made me think, “Wow, even he’s tired of carrying water.”

        It’s like Matthews just came down off a 12-month acid trip.

        • MrMike

          Chris didn’t get picked as Press Secretary so the tingle is gone. He will turn on Obama just as he did the Clintons.

  • candymarl

    What a righteous smack down. Thanks Mr. Johnson.

    P.S. Still not crazy about Obama but in this case you are right. Obama has not been a hypocrite when it comes to advocating a war that he refused to fight in.

    • oowawa

      Obama has not been a hypocrite when it comes to advocating a war that he refused to fight in.

      We should give Cheney demerits for this. Obama does not consequently win a merit badge.

  • beebop

    Even if Cheney’s nickname was Rick, he’d still be a dick.

    • WildChild

      Even if Cheney’s name was Todd, he’d still be a dick

      • beebop

        lol ….

  • KintheNorthwest

    Sorry but I am one American that is opposed to these guys being put on American soil. What state, county, region or city wants these guys? I dont think anyone does.
    Do you realize what the cost of building a new place for them and housing them on US soil is going to be.
    Why do we have to give these guys American rights? Why do we have to pay for these guys American trials? The 12th hijacker played in the courts for years and cost millions of dollars. I wonder who paid for that? Certainly not the hijacker. So who will pay for the Guantanamo Prisoners trials?

    I will admit that there are probably a few there are should not be there. But so far several released Guantanamo Prisoners have gone back to help other terriorist groups in the mid east.
    I say leave them where they. If the facilities need some revamping then revamp them.

    • elise

      It’s sad to realize many Americans share your view, K. What you advocate, out of fear of what could happen, will change this country forever. In fact, it’s already changed from the “Shinning City On The Hill” to something unrecognizable to me. Do you believe Bin Laden wanted to kill 3,000+ Americans or did he want to change who we are and what we represent to the rest of the world? The end game for terrorist is to plant terror in the hearts of free people and they can only win if Americans and people all over the world who value freedom allow fear to rule our lives. If the price is our souls, what have we gained?

      • The Real HC

        Refresh my memory, exactly when were we this “Shining City on the Hill”?

        • elise

          HC, maybe we never were and it was just a dream of what we could have been. Silly isn’t it, since the law of entropy rules. We only believe evolution improves our condition because we can’t see the future.

      • RebelCarol

        Well we sure as heck can’t roll over a play dead can we?

        Yes. Bin Laden wanted to kill more than the 3000 people that he did kill. His plans were just not carried out to fruition. He wanted to bring America to its knees but he didn’t realize that we are a country that can’t be cowed. We fight back.

        • Hot Librarian

          Rebel- how was OBL supposed to know the Twin Towers would collapse ?

          Or the third tower?

          Or that if they were to collapse there was or was not enough time to evacuate.

          The plane into the Pentagon barely made a dent.

          I dont think the number of people killed was their aim but the symbolism.

    • MrMike

      We already have maximum security facilities where they can be housed until dealt with. Did you know Obama’s plan has already hit a snag because Dick and the Deciderer never got paper work started on these guys?
      Had those two acted like adults instead of playing Tombstone the innocent ones would have been processed and sent home and the guilty ones in the jail cell next to the convicted first WTC tower bombers.

  • Roger

    The worst thing about Obama is that he makes Bush and Chaney look better…

    • beebop

      My greatest fear is that in time, shrub and dick will look better after 0bama …

      • Ferd Berfle

        That is the truly disturbing thing about his election. I thought we’d get someone of consequence and gravitas. Instead we got another George. I saw a commenter state yesterday that That One was “learning”. Well, bully for him. We get someone who needs to learn what the office entails. Simply marvelous. I am certain, in time, that I will reminesce about the Bush years even though I despise them at the same time.

        • beebop

          And yet …

          We couldn’t have a qualified woman because that was voting from the vantage point of a vagina so instead we got the in-training man …

          The argument that she was Bill and would bring back the same people is belied by the fact that is exactly what barky has done.

          • Ferd Berfle

            The argument that she was Bill and would bring back the same people is belied by the fact that is exactly what barky has done.

            We get approximately the same team, so why didn’t That One make it clear that this was going to be his course of action during the primaries? Oh…because that would mean that Bill, and HRC by proxy, were the ones he was emulating, after all. Why vote for him, then, when we could have the real thing.

            I keep thinking about what could have been.

            • beebop

              No way Daschle would have been on her short list.

              • Ferd Berfle

                No he wouldn’t…but you get my drift. That One lied mislead made a mistakeforgot to tell us his plans.

        • oowawa

          LOL Ferd. I used to be afraid I would die before the W era came to an end. Now I once again have reason to drag it out for at least another four years. Reason to live! I would like to see the country in good hands before I check out.

          • Ferd Berfle

            I would like to see the country in good hands before I check out.

            So would I. But looking ahead, we may just have another reactionary swing of the pendulum back to the mouth-breathing hacks on the extreme right. I don’t see anything good coming of this unless, and until, the center of this country takes a stand. This whiplash-like back and forth has been going on far too long and is beginning to tear at the very fabric of our society.

          • http://firefox AnnieCollier

            Amen. I’d hate to drop my mortal coil with this on the plate of the kids.

      • KintheNorthwest

        So true.
        What Obama is doing with the prison and the terriorist has not been Thought through.
        Nobody wants them anywhere near their state, county, city, or region in America
        Im not sure about you guys but I dont think we can afford their trials. The 12th terrorist trial cost millions of dollars and hung up the courts for years.
        I wonder who paid for that trial and who will pay for the Gitmo prisoners.

  • JohnnyB

    Larry: All the Repubs have is “Fear”, keep us afraid.

    I hope that JUSTICE prevails sometime and the whole W. administration feels the wrath of justice and are punished for their High Crimes and misdemeanors.

    Dick is a very sick human, twisted, perverted and should not be given any print, voice, or TV time, ever.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I hope that JUSTICE prevails sometime and the whole W. administration feels the wrath of justice and are punished for their High Crimes and misdemeanors.

      It won’t happen so long as the current administration wants to “look to the future” rather than investigate past acts. I, too, think the Bush Administration had several individuals who are indictable but I won’t hold my breath waiting for any politician or bureaucrat to do the ethical and moral thing. It isn’t about what you know about the law anymore but about who you know in political circles. Pity.

      • UKforDems

        Watergate, IranContra, having a bloody bj (wtf), means it will not happen. Republicans will scream tit for tat. There is no reason though why a veto would need to be applied to a vote at the UN on Bliar.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        they’d have to prosecute all the dems who were complicit for it to mean anything, and we know that’s not going to happen.

    • beebop

      So … Nancy Pelosi claiming that 500 MILLION people are losing their jobs a MONTH is just what?

      • Ferd Berfle

        She shouldn’t be anywhere near budgets containing digits in excess of the number of fingers on both her hands and feet.

        • beebop

          Johnny B has suddenly gone silent as well as dumb …

          • Ferd Berfle

            LMAO

        • http://! stodgie

          i bet she can’t count that far. it is a wonder to move that she can still move her mouth with all that botox.

      • FLDemFem

        The Chinese are losing jobs? That’s the only country, besides India, with that many people. And employment is up in India, thanks to outsourcing from the US. And why is Pelosi worrying about the Chinese losing jobs? It’s the US she should be worrying about.

        that was snark, btw. Heh.

  • fiscalliberal

    Of course the question should be: did he and George leave the country with a better functioning CIA and FBI. Not certain Homeland Security is up to the job. I think the military is in a very depleated state and needs rebuilding.

    Remember how they wanted foreign nationals to run our ports. Have not heard much about that.

    How long will the media let this guy run at the mouth

    • beebop

      I think the military is in a very depleated state and needs rebuilding.

      So how do you feel about barky wanting to cut the DOD budget by 10%? How useful is that to a rebuilding?

      • Strawberrybitch

        As long as the cuts are to all the dirtbag contractors like Halliburton who where charging the American Tax payer $20 per MEAL per soldier even if the meal went uneaten. Not to mention the food was old, out of date gave them the runs. Apparently you haven’t lived until you’ve had the runs, in 120 degree weather, in a sandstorm and you had to use a stinky honeybucket in full battle rattle.

        • elise

          Or billions to missle systems which never work or Ospreys.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    All the Repubs have is “Fear”, keep us afraid.

    And according to the Obama administration, we are doomed and ready to see global depression??? That’s not using fear is it?

    • Ferd Berfle

      Bingo! It certainly isn’t Roosevelt-esque, now is it?

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        I made this exact point to one of my (soon to be former friends if she doesn’t shape up) sad Obama apologists last week…she started sputtering about how she just can’t take all this political wrangling…hahaha. Gave me a good reason to excuse myself for another call.

    • http://! stodgie

      i visited some liberal blogs today including kos. in was interesting. no cheerleading. the bots are not much in evidence. i had to shake my head and thinking yeah thanks for the return of sanity after the deal is done.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Several months late and billions short.

    • athena

      “catastrophe” that is the new word of fear now….

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        What word would you use to explain a $30 trillion loss in equities, 50 million jobs lost and 200 million people thrown into poverty world wide.
        and that is just the announcement stage
        The consequences have not even begun yet!

  • My Name is Red

    History will remember Cheney as The Torture Vice President. His argument is the old Vietnam canard: we must destroy the hamlet (and the women and children living there) in order to save it. In Cheney’s case, though, the hamlet is American democracy.

    And here’s real cowardice for you–the kind that enables Cheneys of the world: Politico calling torture “coercive interrogation.” Any journalist who won’t call torture by its name is a craven dog who will sell you out.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    When we are attacked again and insurance is unobtainable and real estate plummets to near zero because no place on earth is safe then I’m sure All of the self righteous will have a different view.
    Obama and his minions haven’t a clue what the real threat and the consequence of an attack will be on a world entering into near depression.
    This attack will happen in the next year and will be blamed on the democrats and will be the final blow to western civilization.
    When you’re starving as a result of ignoring the threat I’m sure you’ll remember that some played hard ball to get these killers.

    • toni

      YOU ARE so right. Just wait until the next attack. All of you will be begginhg for Bush & Cheney. To all of you Bush haters-Your messiah is a fraud and his cabinet are crooks & tax dodgers. I bet you will all be happy socialists in a year.

    • toni

      YOU ARE so right. Just wait until the next attack. All of you will be begging for Bush & Cheney. To all of you Bush haters-Your messiah is a fraud and his cabinet are crooks & tax dodgers. I bet you will all be happy socialists in a year.

      • UKforDems

        I have been googleing Obama is a fraud; you find some interesting posts; someone kept calling it Gigi. Toni are you Gigi or whatever its name is?

        • beebop

          Weren’t you the one bragging that you’re never rude? Really? Just a little confrontational, dontcha think?

          • Ferd Berfle

            I do wish he would give us all a break and take a couple of years off. His constant spamming has become a major irritant.

            • JustMe

              “a break” he just either likes reading his own posts or listening to his own voice…!!

      • Ferd Berfle

        Actually, that isn’t the case at all. Bush set up the framework for That One to win due to his utter incompetence, negligence, and poor choice of VP. I don’t like either Bush or That One as they are both of little depth, empathy, and foresight. There is no socialism on the horizon–only the potential for fascism. You aren’t much on history, are you?

        • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

          Ferd..You are very correct.
          It is the democrats that need to fear extinction.
          When we are attacked again perhaps after they have started their war on terrorism investigations the MOB will turn against them in the biggest backlash in history.
          Four years from now we may see the Republican Revolution which will be very fascist, but most people will support it as they will be dying in utter fear.

      • FLDemFem

        I would like to point out to you that if Bush and Cheney hadn’t blown off the memo about Al Queda planning an attack, possibly using airplanes, then the 9/11 attack could have been prevented. One of the owners of a flight school here in FL notified the FBI about some strange students he had, they wanted to learn to fly, but not to land. If the FBI had known about the memo that Bush ignored, then perhaps the hijacker/terrorists would have been arrested before they were able to carry out their plans. But they didn’t, Bush just made an off hand remark about the guy had now covered his ass and ignored it. The memo was dated in early August, so there was plenty of time to put the FAA on alert and start security measures to prevent the attacks. But Bush just sat on his ass and did nothing. And what about the “Bin Laden dead or alive”? That didn’t happen either. Didn’t even try. And allowing the Bin Laden family out of the US on a private charter jet before asking them anything at all, well, that was just plain stupid. George Bush was to blame for the lack of action in preventing the 9/11 attacks. No one else.

        • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

          Al Queda planning an attack, possibly using airplanes, then the 9/11 attack could have been prevented.

          Let’s say Bush took your advise to prevent an attack

          That would mean shutting down all airspace for weeks not really knowing when exactly the terrorists would pull off an attack. Bush would have appeared as over reacting as the economy would collapse because of a shut down in transportation. Of course the terrorist cell would have gone underground to fight another way.
          Sometimes you learn from events. In this particular case the American people learned that there are people willing to hijack planes and commit suicide causing mass death.

          • FLDemFem

            It would not have meant shutting down all flights, it would have meant having security people on board the planes, checking passengers before they boarded against a list of possible suspects. It wouldn’t have shut down anything, just slowed boarding like it does now. If the FBI had been alerted to the problem, there is a good chance that they would have prevented the hijackings. The fact that Bush blew off the information can be directly linked to the success of the hijackers. We had the information to prevent the attack, but thanks to the incompetence of the Bush administration it was ignored.

    • Ferd Berfle

      While I agree with you in principle, the systematic dismantling of the Constitution is no way to fight an enemy. Indeed, the enemy wins when we resort to limiting our own freedom to fight those who we say want to take those freedoms away. That is akin to cutting off one’s own nose first because an adversary wants to cut it off. It just doesn’t make any sense.

      If the US wants real security or “safety”, we need to at least do a couple of things, even though they may be distasteful to the rest of the world and to current immigrants among us:

      1. Erect a barrier along our southern border (not a fence–a barrier) and increase out vigilance along the northern border, and
      2. Slow to a trickle all immigration into this country so an extensive background check can be made on all applicants.

      Creating bloated agencies and making people take off their shoes and limiting the amount of shampoo one can carry on an airliner at an airport does nothing to actually enhance security or “safety” but only makes it appear that our government is actually doing something when in fact it is a William J. LePetomaine act of saving their phony-baloney jobs.

      I’m afraid if we don’t do at least the above two things, more draconian legal remedies will be made possible, a prospect which scares the daylights out of me.

    • UKforDems

      Seattle, I think you are sweriosuly wrong here. As a result of George Bush, the very American freedoms, I hold dear, when I go back are gone. They are also gone in the UK.

      I most certainly do not associate with the stupidity of people like Berg (although some do here for even more reasons of stupidity), I do however note that there were 4 planes and four failures on 9/11. That should have been a resignation issue.

      Allowing torture of people means that those opposed to us can legitimately see it as fair game for US and UK Soldiers to be tortured. To describe insurgents as “enemy combatants”, means that you would have to apply that description back to the US revolution.

      The Interim US administration went in and robbed Iraq. Making 50% unemployed, killing 1 million and displacing 4 million would tend you towards being a rebel.

      We armed Iraq. We then invaded it. We created the Government of Iran and now decide we do not like it. So Iran starts creating a nuclear weapon. The obvious reason for doing so is once North Korea was able to show how capable of firing them they are, we no longer talked of their WMDs as they have them already.

      The instability in the Middle East has fostered huge Anti American sentiment. That has destabilised the security of Israel. As a result, the steps towards peace, have been left in the bomb dust.

      You claimed Americans are safer now than under Clinton? How? You also claimed Bush kept America safe? Really? How much of that was needed to continue to justify a large increase in the military after Clinton had put in place the Reagan Peace dividend?

      • wodiej

        I must ask you then, what do you suggest US should have done in response to the heinous acts of terrorists?

        • UKforDems

          Concentrated on Afghanistan; especially as at the time the US carried full international backing for that.

          Iraq was a criminal diversion.

          • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

            UK…You don’t know your geography.
            Afganistan is a tribal wasteland that every once in awhile needs to be cleaned out such as with the Taliban.
            Iraq on the other hand is the strategic Oyster of the middle east. We had the rare opportunity after the fall of the soviet union to carve out our presence in Iraq with the excuse which was 911. Saddam was a thug and I don’t give a rats ass if he was involved in 911 or not. He was going down and we did the world and the Iraqi people a favor by overthrowing the stalinist dictator
            Baghdad with it’s huge infrastructure will not be a place where terrorists can manufacture biological weapons or others and because of a job well done will never be able to convert Iraq into a terrorist state.

            • http://! stodgie

              i’m investing in dinaris seattle!

            • UKforDems

              I am very very aware of my geography. I am also very aware of the history that led us to funding both Iraq and Iran to fight each other.

              You have called Iraq a “resource war”, a “strategic diamond” and a variety of other names. If we went to war for those reasons the US and UK have committed war crimes. You may find that acceptable, but I do not.

              I am also not sure how you can boast about Iraq, when it has elected as a majority group Politicains that now look to Iran for leadership. That does nothing for the safety of US interests there.

              • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                UK,
                I see the world for what it is not what I wish it would be…
                Sometimes you have to reshuffle the cards to get a better hand.
                The American Enterprise Institute decided that this was the time to put America squarely in the center of all future resource conflicts instead of being on the sidelines watching threats develop.
                I’m glad they did!
                You forgot to mention my favorite
                “Iraq is a brilliant strategy”

                Now I have another one to the chagrin of others…Ready

                Cheney is a Hero!!!

                • UKforDems

                  If you see the World for what it is rather than what it should be then you should really be concerned about the radicalisation and hardening of position from every Country there, from Israel to Iraq. We are not in a good place and we have done that for an experiment; attempting to find an interventionalist Republican ideology.

                  Had the Interim Iraqi administration not been so blatantly stealing money, while bombing residents; Iraq may have worked. It did not and Cheny your hero got an awful lot richer from the no bid contracts awarded to Haliburton.

                  They only resource war was conducted by Cheney on the American economy; and he near bankrupted it for his folly.

                  • AlexisM

                    You know what…it’s like the typical insecure, small man…who cares what people think of us? I mean, really. If they fear and respect us, it’s better than what Obama is doing which is weakening us by apologizing for the country he hates and making us look like fools. Not really a great way to become empowered. The liberal chumps like YOU want to see America destroyed. No one with a brain really knows WHY you want to punish this amazing country with destruction. Oh, yeah, you are what? British? So this is jealousy?

                    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                      Alexis,

                      So this is jealousy?

                      People don’t seem to understand the psychology in Geo politics. Yes the world hates us, but the main reason is because they are envious of our power and position in the world. When you turn on the TV in Canada or Britain and the news is all about America 24/7 you tend to get annoyed if you are not American.
                      The world is finding out as it sinks into the abyss that they can’t survive without the power of the American economy or of it’s military protecting them from threats.
                      This is the American Century!
                      I suggest you America haters get used to it…We are rising while the rest of the world goes bankrupt

                    • AlexisM

                      Well, the good news is that no one, no one, is envious of us now. Nope. They are laughing at us because of the complete idiot and joke we put in the most “powerful” job on the planet. The America haters got what they wanted. Their liberal guilt and hate has made us nothing but a pisstain on global politics. We’re nothing. Thank you Dims!!!

                  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                    UK
                    The difference between you and me despite many years of being educated in England is that I see America as a force of good in the world.
                    The Iraq war is a noble cause which has been showing itself to be the success that nobody thought possible.
                    Your position on Iraq is decaying by the day and the Iraqi people are pleased that they will be free and prosperous despite the costs which any country throwing off the yoke of tyranny must encounter to be free.
                    Time to start wishing the Iraqi people the best instead of using it as a prop for your hatred of American power in the world.

            • Hot Librarian

              Errh Baghdad still only gets electricity intermittingly -.

              They would not know in advance when to meet & mix it up or would begin only to lose power.

              You seem to like Iraq Im afraid you will move there & we would miss you.

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        UK..The difference between your view and mine is that I see this as the apex event in world history.
        We can discuss the semantics all day but the fact is that Islamic Jihad wants the death of the western world at any cost including their own destruction.
        I really don’t care anymore what the rest of the world thinks..I believe that the world knows that America plays hard ball and watch out!
        The world is finding out fast that without the US they’re toast and better start getting used to the fact that we’re going to stay number one for years to come. Bush departed from the Carter policy of being a paper tiger and have shocked the terrorists and have them on the run or dead.
        I’m pleased with the results after being against them originally..The Iraq war is a success and I look forward to investing in that American allied country.
        The other big difference for me is that I don’t feel safe like you. I’m back to how i felt shortly after 911 when things were uncertain. Obama and his drones believe that we can just be friends and turn the other cheek.
        This economic collapse is nothing to what’s around the corner.

        • Idiocracy08

          I believe that the world knows that America plays hard ball and watch out!

          Yeah, with the wrong country!

          • oowawa

            Well, Iraq looked like a better stadium . . .

        • UKforDems

          In terms of our strategic

          In terms of our strategic position in the Middle East, the security of Israel, the human cost, the political reputation of the US and UK across the World, how is Iraq a success?

          Ironically, our strategic security prior to the invasion of Iraq, was Iran.

          How does the displacement of 4.5 million Iraqis, most of them now hate us, make us safer?

          How does killing more people than Sadam make us lwss of a war criminal than he; (and thanks to some very very stupid Soldiers – they made the interim regime gain the same reputation as his).

          Iraq will never ever be anything more than the biggest ever security blunder. All based on false intelligence.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Iraq will never ever be anything more than the biggest ever security blunder

            And who created Iraq originally, wunderbot? You conveniently leave out that little bit of history. Had THAT not happened and for want of a nail…

            • UKforDems

              Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-02-04 20:30:20

              Iraq will never ever be anything more than the biggest ever security blunder

              And who created Iraq originally, wunderbot? You conveniently leave out that little bit of history. Had THAT not happened and for want of a nail…

              I am not some bot, I do not think you are some KKK Nazi (despite defending Looneything the other day). We can proceed in a reasonable manner or you can call me a “obot” and I shall call you a bigotbot.

              Should we try reasonable?

              • Ferd Berfle

                Answer the question. What country cobbled together Iraq from 3 disparate regions that had absolutely no relation to each other.

                Do try to respond to my entire comment and not divert attention away from it by going off on your predictable tangents. And if you can’t, then don’t respond at all.

                We can proceed in a reasonable manner or you can call me a “obot” and I shall call you a bigotbot.

                You’re making a big assumption–I doubt you are capable of any sort of reason as demonstrated amply by your continued misdirection, ad hominems, unknown facts, and equivocation in each and everyone of your posts on this blog..

        • RebelCarol

          really don’t care anymore what the rest of the world thinks..I believe that the world knows that America plays hard ball and watch out!

          I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      • Idiocracy08

        The instability in the Middle East has fostered huge Anti American sentiment. That has destabilised the security of Israel. As a result, the steps towards peace, have been left in the bomb dust.

        Most of the instability in the ME began when the UK started drawing up maps.

        • UKforDems

          Comment by Idiocracy08 | 2009-02-04 19:55:05

          The instability in the Middle East has fostered huge Anti American sentiment. That has destabilised the security of Israel. As a result, the steps towards peace, have been left in the bomb dust.

          Most of the instability in the ME began when the UK started drawing up maps.

          I do not disagree. We are where we are. Deal with Israel / Palestine, the rest will calm down.

          • Ferd Berfle

            We are where we are.

            Thank to the UK, UK. That should give you pause to reflect on your bs masquerading as intelligent commentary. I know my history and the pommies have made a mess of the entire world map and did so with an arrogance and ignorance approaching your own.

            But I don’t go to UK websites making such statements, even though they are true because I am not of the UK. You should do the same and shove off.

            • http://! stodgie

              well, ferd, master of snark and lively comments, i have to say good evening. i ran away from work i need to do for a client and now sadly have to return. sigh!

              • Ferd Berfle

                See you tomorrow, then, stodgie and have a great evening.

                Ferd

            • UKforDems

              Barfly, you really do provide for the definition of simpleton. I hope when you are older they will have special needs counsellors for your hate level.

              “Unknown facts”. Lol only a PUMA thing could be critical of that.

            • Hot Librarian

              Disagree there. The British Empire has its faults but it created some of the world’s greatest democracies. Canada australia New Zealand. These countries are not a mess.

              In other countries like india Kenya zambia Zimbabwemalaysia Singapore Hong Kong they left the basic building blocks to democracies & the rule of law.

    • Idiocracy08

      Who is playing hardball to get which killers? Osama is still living large.

      • Ferd Berfle

        I do wish they’d get that bastard. HE is the head of the hydra. So long as he lives, it does.

        • UKforDems

          Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-02-04 19:44:07

          I do wish they’d get that bastard. HE is the head of the hydra. So long as he lives, it does.

          He is a bogey man. If he exists in the way suggested, then good, bring him to justice. The problem until now is that the Bush family were friends of the Bin Laden family. One needs to consider the price of oil under Clinton and the stock value of Haliburton under Clinton, as opposed to its peak, when Bush was in office.

          Bush imposed terrorism from within, but idiots like Berg look in the wrong direction.

          Larry would probably agree, life in the intelligence service was not exactly comfortable after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. A new enemy was created by recreating a diminishing trouble and that is not entirely the fault of Bush.

          • Ferd Berfle

            God, you would argue with the Pope over matters of Roman Catholic dogma and the Pope is the EXPERT. You would argue with God about original sin. You would argue with a Taoist as to what constitutes the uncarved block and how they should go against the flow. You would argue with yourself if no one was around to fill up your empty life.

            Grow up and go find a life for yourself outside of playing Don Quixote to an empty house.

      • http://! stodgie

        i think many of us have some understanding of why osama is still around. it serves the purposes of the handlers ie yours and mine! they use him to scare the sheep. people will find one thing or another to be scared about these days. fdr had it right.

        did anyone think that the induced dog and pony show from the bush administration would not result in a hard period? i mean hell credit dried up or seemed to dry up. and wasn’t it just soooooooo convenient? i think they pushed this too hard and got more than they bargained for it seems. we were in recession all of 08 and part of 07 and yet the so called economists forgot to mention it to us. many of us knew times were soft. instead of dealing with housing up front bush wanted to put his head in the sand and ignore it until he was pushed into a corner. the same with congress. pelosi in my view is one of the biggest enemies to the the welfare of this country. she is a total ditz who doesn’t have a dang clue.

        the senate today approved a $15000 tax credit for buying a house. actually that is damn smart. the repubs vile as they are in this case are actually partially right. you know the old stopped clock is right twice a day. the crap bill that came out of the house is a piece of feces. it is a wish list for every lobbyist and group with their hand out. the only group ignored is the american people. and isn’t it just special children have insurance while 40 million americans don’t. it doesn’t matter what your age is when you are sick.

        • UKforDems

          Comment by stodgie | 2009-02-04 19:55:53

          i think many of us have some understanding of why osama is still around. it serves the purposes of the handlers ie yours and mine! they use him to scare the sheep. people will find one thing or another to be scared about these days. fdr had it right.

          It serves our purpose as well; how would people feel if he was caught?

          A lot safer.

          What is the consequence of that?

          • http://! stodgie

            if we felt safer, we just might demand accountability and be able to follow through.

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        If Osama is alive he sure isn’t living in some cave. The guy is 6’6″ and requires kidney dialysis to survive. He is either living in the basement of some sheik after escaping tora bora or is dead like he told his followers he would be a year after 911.
        The tape of Osama in 2004 showed a younger person with a healthier disposition and a beard that was different.
        This epic struggle is not about Keystone cops going after one guy, but a struggle between civilizations.

        A struggle between those that want to live with a high standard of living and those that want to take it away through martyrdom.

        • http://! stodgie

          it’s crossed my mind that obama is dead or very ill. sure they they just need a good likeness. but bush never really tried to get osama. why? because he needed him as an enemy just like hamas and their ilk need israel.

          • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

            “it’s crossed my mind that obama is dead or very ill.”

            Dr. Freud, please pick up the white courtesy phone…

      • RebelCarol

        Osama is still living large.

        Are we really sure Osama is still living large? Mayhaps he is already dead. Died of kidney failure?

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      I truly hope you are wrong, Moss. But they certainly couldn’t find a more opportune time could they? OBL said he’d take down our economy and we’re going to have to fight hard for that not to happen.

      • Ferd Berfle

        OBL wants us to die by a thousand cuts. That is why he needs to be dispatched quickly so that he can meet his 72 Virgils in Paradise, Texas.

        • oowawa

          LOL Ferd, I looked up the town of Paradise, Texas, and as of the 2000 census there were only 459 inhabitants, so how could 72 of them be named Virgil? And why would Osama want to meet them after dispatch? I’m not completely familiar with Islam so I may be missing something here . . .

          (ok–I’m just being a wise guy again–just can’t help myself)

          • Ferd Berfle

            LOL. The 72 Virgils cames from one of Robin William’s shows and I rightfully should have credited him. Mea culpa. He also had 72 Virginians waiting for Osama, too, for messing with the US (and the Constitution, by proxy.

            • http://! stodgie

              dang, i love a good pun! ferd, you are so puny!

              • oowawa

                um–Stodgie, that’s supposed to be “punny,” not “puny.” I’m sure that Mr. Berfle is not at all “puny.”

                Aha! The mystery of the Virgils is laid to rest.

                • http://! stodgie

                  sorry, ferd! i meant well!

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    LMAO. Puny, punny, funy, funny. It’s all in good humor. All of you (oowawa, stodgie, Seattle, beebop, strawberry, wildchild, dawnelle, Wodiej, the bloggers, and all the other regulars) are great. I appreciate your humor and attitude. With people like you around, my faith is renewed that our country will find a way through this mess.

                    Ferd.

                    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                      Thanks Ferd,
                      We all respect each other and understand that we are voicing our various angles on these subjects during these momentous times.

                    • http://! stodgie

                      i second that, ferd. no quarter, thy second name is sanity.

                    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                      See? Y’all see? Obama does bring people together!

                    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                      UBM
                      Don’t you love it when people on this blog miss you..
                      Must be nice!

                    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                      It’s all love, Seattle. All love, baby.

                    • Zeke

                      It is only because they lack practice with moving targets.

                    • AlexisM

                      Some people miss painful rectal itch too.

                    • Idiocracy08

                      sniff sniff. i’m just “all the other regulars”
                      ;)

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        I think that this economic collapse was in part orchestrated by money coming out of the middle east. They deliberately drove up speculation of oil with their petrol dollars and caused the crash at the end of the summer. Now all they need to do is make real estate worthless by destroying a city somewhere in the world.

        • http://! stodgie

          seattle, they don’t want to destroy the world in my view. they need us to be there to be their bad guy for peope to despise. i think a lot of our problems came from within the usa.

          we need to clean up the sec for starters. will we? with obama? please!

          naw, they want things to muddle along. they also know that the era of oil is ending and they tried too hard to make too much money too fast. the price of gas in europe has been high for ages.

          fdr is right. what we have to fear is fear itself. that is in the end our biggest enemy. pogo and all that it means.

    • My Name is Red

      This attack will happen in the next year and will be blamed on the democrats and will be the final blow to western civilization.

      The final blow? Calm down and think a little bit about World War II. Two nuclear bombs detonated. Germany bombed to rubble. Tens of millions died in Russia. And western civilization survived.

      When you’re starving as a result of ignoring the threat I’m sure you’ll remember that some played hard ball to get these killers.

      Nobody when hungry because of 9-11. We’re in a recession and worrying about a depression because of American robber barons — not al Qaeda. We’ve impoverished America for a generation with the needless war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11.

      • http://! stodgie

        cheney, obama, pelosi the dc elite want to scare us into acting and being sheep for heaven’s sake. look at it for what it is. our main problem is our own fears. they even say this on tv now.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Indeed. Rightwing-nutjobs, leftwing-nutjobs–makes no difference, they’re both out of touch and out of their skulls. To have one bot-free day on NQ would be a godsend, stodgie.

          • http://! stodgie

            where’s ubm? at least his innuendo is more amusing than uk’s rigourous self righteous rants.

            • Ferd Berfle

              where’s ubm? at least his innuendo is more amusing than uk’s rigourous self righteous rants.

              Yeah, I’ll give the miscreant that. He can, at times, be almost funny. I did, though say almost.

              • http://! stodgie

                all true, smile! but a “bad” boy is better than a boy who is bad.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  all true, smile! but a “bad” boy is better than a boy who is bad.

                  …or who is just plain stupid

            • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

              “where’s ubm?”

              It’s like “Beetlejuice.” You gotta say it three times fast.

              ;-)

              • Idiocracy08

                Will you go if we ask 3 times? kidding

          • oowawa

            Sometimes the board is like the mosh pit at a punk concert, or a barroom brawl in a western movie from the ’30s or ’40s: it’s sometimes hard to tell whose head to smash the chair over. Was there ever a more confusing mess? The battle-lines zig-zag and criss-cross all over the place.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Ain’t that the truth!

            • http://! stodgie

              oowawa, geez you made me spit up my tea. i was laughing so hard at your comment. good show!

            • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

              “it’s sometimes hard to tell whose head to smash the chair over.”

              Now that’s funny.

            • Karma

              LOL

            • andrew191

              “It’s sometimes hard to tell whose head to smash the chair over”. That’s inspiring.

              Might I suggest a Chippendale for UKforDems, a Barkalounger for UBM, and a bean bag for Old Grumpy Guy. The rest of us can sort it out with barstools.

              • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

                Oh you are so funny Andrew!

                • andrew191

                  I was trying to be serious. I guess it’s all in the delivery.

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        Red,
        Those attacks on Japan were planned attacks which ended the war and put the US firmly in control
        Random terrorist attacks are a different matter.

        Just think for a minute…You wake up and see on TV that a city has been completely destroyed in a random act of terrorism.
        The chaos that would result will be catastrophic as no place will be safe. The western world is dependent on economies that are predictable in terms of risk and growth. Look what’s happened with the financial meltdown..Just imagine what the world will be like if no place is safe for investment.
        Just imagine if every place in the world worries that they might be next for an attack.
        This is the most vulnerable moment in civilizations history…

        • Ferd Berfle

          You are spot on. Seattle. Japan was given every opportunity to surrender unconditionally and they refused. Truman did what he had to do to spare even more lives than were lost from the dropping of the two bombs. Hell, more lives were lost due to fire-boming Tokyo than the two atom bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

          And Germany just plain deserved what it got. Final solution, my rosy red ass.

          • http://! stodgie

            i had a relative at the battle of the bulge in ww2. they found dead american soliders with bullets in the back of their heads and their hands tied behind them. he was also on a red cross train and the germans attacked it. desperate men do desperate things.

            • Ferd Berfle

              The Greatest Generation is owed such much. I can’t even begin to understand the hardships those soldiers endured. And the “Rosie the Riveters” keeping the factories churning away. It must have been an amazing time.

              • http://! stodgie

                well there was a defined enemy for one thing. it was an innocent time in many ways. there was no sneer in loving your country either.

                my grandmother sold avon as a widow with 8 children during the depression. she kept a cow across the street for milk. she had chickens in the back yard. there were fig and pecan trees in the yard and she used them in cooking.

                • oowawa

                  well there was a defined enemy for one thing. it was an innocent time in many ways. there was no sneer in loving your country either.

                  Yes stodgie–there was a cohesive unity of purpose. It’s one of the things that made the flick Independence Day so much fun–the world came together in the face of a common enemy. And for a very short giddy time after 9-11, we felt that wonderful cohesive unity of purpose.

          • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

            Ferd,
            As a student of history I’m always awed at those in power that were so unpopular when they governed but were then vindicated in history.
            Truman, One of the greatest presidents ever voted by the good people on this blog in a poll.
            However, universally the most unpopular president I wonder how Bush haters would look at Truman had they lived during his time.

            • http://! stodgie

              seattle, i think it will be a mixed bag for bush. there will be points on foreign policy and security that history will reward credit. but there are other areas which i won’t go into that i don’t see history being too kind.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Seattle:

              Truman was the right man for the right time and had FDR as a mentor. He made some unpopular decisions but they were necessary given the context within which they were made.

              I think Bush got a LOT of bad advice from Cheney, a man who never served his country and got five deferments because he had “other things to do” or some such claptrap. As a person who did serve my country, I find Cheney’s counsel to be lacking in substance and relevance. Bush was had. He might have made a better President had he stuck with the personage he maintained during his time as Texas Governor.

              • http://! stodgie

                ferd, bob bullock was a democrat and actually ran texas during bush’s tenure. bush took credit of course bush showed a more amiable side and was much more laid back than he was in dc. of course he was still george bush and all that means.

                texas governors are relatively weak in the system here.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Thanks for that info. It’s a shame, then, that he wasn’t more laid back as President. His first 6 months were rather forgettable with his run-in with the pretzels and all. Had it stayed that way we might have been better off. That is another reason I want this country to get bin Laden in the worst possible way.

        • Idiocracy08

          For a lack of better words, but I didn’t feel as bad for Japan after learning they ended up killing over 20 million Chinese people.

  • oowawa

    coercive interrogation

    A euphemism for torture! That’s really pushing the concept of “euphemism” to its limits . . . How about “perceptual questioning”? “tactile investigation”?

    • Ferd Berfle

      Or “uncomfortable interview”.

      The equivocation is simply amazing, oowawa.

      • oowawa

        uncomfortable interview

        O–that’s my favorite. We’ve all sat through a few of those. Amusing, when we look back on it! I reckon those who have been waterboarded will also look back and laugh . . .

      • http://! stodgie

        animated physical discussion!

        • rjj

          for animated read kinetic?

    • Zeke

      Coercive can also mean, “scare the shit out of ‘em and then get ‘em to talk.” There always appealed to me the techniques which got info from deception. There are many ways this is achievable without actual torture. The success rate is much lower than the real thing but one can still look at oneself in the mirror the next morning.
      That efforts of this nature were forgone for the presumed necessity of torture has been a defining moment in our history which forfeited any pretense of higher moral ground.

  • annie

    Dick seems organic, he hasn’t had a new thought since I don’t know when, and so he repeats himself, over and over. He’s soooo predictable. He knew everything he did was right and would work, and so, it must have?

  • SHV

    Let’s hope for karma. Please travel to Europe. Give the Government of Spain a chance to arrest you for war crimes. At least you would enjoy the legal protections you so gratuitously dismiss as nonsense. You are a stain on the reputation of America. One thing about Barack Obama–he was never a damn draft dodger while his country was at war. Not so with you Dick!
    ************
    No need for foreign travel..The US 1996 War Crimes Law will do quite nicely..the Republican Congress that crafted the law thoughtfully included the Death Penalty.

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2441.html

  • Judy L. NC

    If only Eric Holder saw it your way, Larry. . .

  • elise

    Why is Dick Cheney living in McClain, Va? He wants to continue to work behind the scenes to further his agenda. There was a show on ID the other night on the CIA experiments in the 1960s on mind control, including hypnosis, use of LSD & sodium pentathol. According to the reporter, they got the idea from experiences of American POWs in North Korea. Some of the secret documents which have been declassified were shown briefly and I was shocked to see the names of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney there. How were they involved in these activities, Larry?

  • Linda C.

    Dick Cheney is a paranoid nut.

    Our economy and greed will do us in before Al Qada.

    There is nothing wrong with putting these guys in with our hardened criminal population and allow “justice” to take its own course.

    Don’t let fear outweigh sensibilities.

  • lowmow

    ironically, what Cheney makes good common sense. Though, I don’t know why its called “common” sense; it is quite rare in today’s times.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Cheney is a coward, a dim-bulb, and a traitor who was merely out to enrich himself at the expense of American soldiers and CIA agents, both of whom he had a callous disregard for.

      Don’t even try to defend that Benedict Arnold.

    • http://! stodgie

      sure we need to understand we are vulnerable, but also understand cheney’s intentions are suspect. i am sure you already know that.

    • elise

      We live fifty miles from the SuperMax prison in Florence, Co. Randy Yousef, Eric Rudolph, the shoe bomber Richard Reid, the blind shiek Omar Abdul Rachman and others equally bad all live there and no one here worries about them. All the fear mongering is nothing more than a ploy to validate bad decisions by Bush and protect those who approved of or participated in torture.

  • tek

    The truly interesting thing about Cheney’s remarks is that anyone is publishing them. Darth Cheney rides again!

  • bert

    I agree with Larry one-hundred percent. We can keep America safe without resorting to torture and without violating our own and international law as Bush and Cheney did. This will be a blot on our country forever. Bush and Cheney should be held accountable for these violations.

    Even though we do not always live up to the best in us and in our governing documents, I don’t believe it is ever right or moral for us to torture or engage in the types of behaviors Larry outlines here. And as he said, we lived with the Russians during the Cold War and did not resort to torture. We not only survived, we prevailed.

    When we stoop to the tactics of our enemies we lose the moral high ground. That is exactly the same thing that so many on this blog and who have left comments on this thread were all enraged about with Israel a few weeks ago with their bombing of Gaza. Two wrongs do not make anything right. Not in the Middle East. And not here. Especually not here, becasue the USA should know and behave better than that!

    In addition to everything Larry listed I also want to see habeas corpus restored. None of us is truly free and truly safe without this key right. I think Obama should have reversed that on day one. Until he does I will not support him.

  • Doc99

    To celebrate Obama’s ascendancy, Iran launched its own satellite, named Omid. In case you haven’t read, Omid is Persian for “Hope.” Can “Change” be far behind?

  • Karma

    That is a pretty sleazy ‘Look over there!’ on Cheney’s part.

  • CG

    I needed this post LJ, tante grazie!
    Cheney needs to stop meddling and enjoy his retirement, waterboarding his friends and shooting them in the face while hunting, or some such perverted happening. But wouldn’t that be nice if he did travel to Spain?

    What do you think about http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29011174/ Russia: We’ll help U.S. stabilize Afghanistan, Comments follow move by Kyrgyzstan to evict U.S. forces from key air base

    • CG

      Oh, and do you think Cheney is holding out in that undisclosed bunker?
      Cheney seething right now over Biden’s performance as VP.

  • kgirl1028

    The devil tells the truth sometimes. Cheney is a 100% right however, doesn’t make me like him or think any better of him, but obama’s incopetence is as clear as nose on ones face, so why try and pretend he’s not an incompetent little snit just because cheney pointed it out? I didn’t vote for bush in either election, but majoirity of americans did. And then they voted for obama. The only trend i see is that Americans like incompetent, theiving, cowardly liars running their country. And just cause Cheney points this out, doesn’t make it wrong. He just doesn’t see it applies to him as well. And since very few legitimate sources will acknowledge this I enjoy hearing it. I don’t like Obama, and i’m not going to defend him just becasue another person i don’t like says something bad about him. This is meerly a case of the play ground bully getting beat by the bully from across town, it’s grizzly and i am loving it. Sorry but i can’t find it in my heart to get angry about one hell bound soul telling the truth about another. Also let’s not forget, these two fools are cousins. So If Dick wants to diss his baby cousin, let him.

  • AlexisM

    I’m just curious…Whatever the wingbat liberals think of Cheney…do you not realize that Obama is a million times worse? I mean, it’s not even comparable. Not even in the same wheelhouse or on the same planet. So, can you guys maybe think about getting off the hate and blame game, and doing something to stop Obama from the sheer cataclysmic destruction of this country, which is happening before our eyes? Cheney is gone, Bush is gone. Why don’t we STFU about this. The wingnuts got their “President” and that “President” is the biggest danger to our country in history. Let’s get rid of him peacefully and stop blaming other people who aren’t even remotely close to the danger the Dim idiots just subjected us to.

  • memi

    Yes, Larry, CHENEY

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    A quick google tells me he lived too long ago for me to care what he thought.
    The battle today involves weapons that Individuals can use to destroy whole civilizations.

  • AlexisM

    Why would you say that? I mean, if you were listening, not only did Obiden say it, but so did Colin Powell. Why would you attack a poster here for telling the truth?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    I just predict events buddy!

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Truthtelling
    I’m the one that’s disappointed in you!
    I have studied history around the world getting my O levels in England as the first American in my school and then getting two degrees in college back here in the US.
    I really don’t need your condescending think your smart answers. You’re so wrapped up in your hate of Bush and Cheney that you come across as whacked and anti-American.
    You just don’t seem to understand the ramifications of investigations and prosecutions and unlike you I think it was a noble enterprise to topple Saddam.
    So get wrapped up in Sun all you want.I have the real world to consider not a stone throwing dagger killing world which existed 2700 years ago.

  • AlexisM

    Who are the morons that don’t get that America has its pants around its ankles because the Dims are idiots? No one wants an attack to happen. But we can expect one because we have a total moron and group of boobs helming the ship. Oh yeah, and what people forget is that those of us with jobs expect to be protected because we’re Americans who pay taxes. The sick liberals don’t really seem to want to bother with keeping America safe.

  • AlexisM

    No truthtelling…we can just sit like disarmed losers and wait for the next attack. What I really want is for you to take your America hating unpatriotic assaults and bring them to the families of the 9/11 victims. Don’t you every feel ashamed of yourself for attacking anyone and everyone who loves this country and fears for our safety. And where does someone like you get the right to do that attacking? What a joke. I so wish you people would just move.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Key phrase in every post from you these days
    NEED TO FEAR.

    Because you and your ilk are dismantling the shield that protects this country.
    But go ahead and keep dismantling….

    I’m preparing for the next revolution!!

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Truthtelling…
    I will sum it up this way.
    I trust what Cheney says about the chances of getting attacked by weapons of mass destruction than you and your reassurance BS.
    Cheney was there…you weren’t!
    Even Obama gets the threat by not wanting to investigate or prosecute and have another watergate or worse on our hands.
    Go ahead and be happy and continue on with your hopey denial of the threats facing the world and the united states.
    I trust the former vice president even though I didn’t vote for him twice.
    I don’t trust your judgment one bit.
    Good night truth telling

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    and answered like an anti american pacifist.

  • AlexisM

    All of the anger, rage, hysteria, hate, etc. you spout would be really great channeled into something positive. Like instead of hating America, for no reason, why don’t you protest the liberal crap that is currently destroying us, take a stand on current events and problems, etc.? It’s just getting old watching people like you spew your filth about Bush and Cheney when they are long gone and we have a “leader” who makes them look like amateurs.

    PS Have you talked to anyone about this rage? Might help.

  • andrew191

    Eight major Al Qaeda attacks on our interests ocurred during the Clinton administration that were either answered with feeble responses, or not at all. The Clinton policy of downplaying or ignoring the attacks emboldened our enemies toward more robust attacks. Bin Laden walked through our crosshairs several times but Clinton was too spineless to pull the trigger. Most of the planning for 9/11 took place while Clinton was too busy wagging the dog,( or shagging the dog as it were) to give it proper attention. And I can see a departing Clinton administration with their pockets full of the W’s ripped from White House keyboards saying “Ba Bye, have a nice life, oh, and by the way, there’s a whackjob out there who’s up to God knows what to kill Americans, his name is Bin something, gotta go, ta ta!

    The transition between Clinton and Bush may have been the most contentious and churlish in our history. Compare it with the graceful and honorable transition Bush gave to Obama. I have no doubt that the Bush team did their best to bring Obama up to speed on ALL critical matters. Unlike Clinton, Bush puts his country ahead of petty political or personal concerns.

    The safety net that Bush has created will last far deeper into the Obama term than that which was given to Bush.

  • AlexisM

    What are these people going to do when the big one hits? Whine and cry that no one protected them, after they voted to totally disarm us? I don’t get it. I really don’t. I can’t wait until normal people take this country back from the lunatics.

  • AlexisM

    Obama is tanking in the polls and people are getting terrified. No one is going to let these idiots destroy our country. No one. This is America and we have survived worse than these people and always will. They can yack all day with the America hate and we will still win the battle. They’re not going to dismantle crap. Losers.

  • AlexisM

    And I am sure that we all hope you get help with your lack of belief America should prevail in the world, and be safe. And how dare you accuse someone of supporting torture just because they don’t want to die for your ignorance? Wow, this place is creepy.

  • AlexisM

    The only time I have ever had real, genuine fear for my country and loved ones was November 4. And every day, learning what I learn, that fear escalates exponentially. If you’re not scared with the jerks at the head of the boat you’re don’t have feelings.

  • AlexisM

    Rational thought? Get some. 9/11 was a reality. And they’re not done trying. Get real.

  • AlexisM

    You need to get a grip. There’s a big difference between the nuts who scream about Revelations and people with brains who know that every single day there is some threat of terrorism, somewhere in the world, and now that everyone knows we have an idiot like Obama hanging around we’ll be next. That’s not some big “doom and gloom” biblical revelations prediction. What’s the matter with you? That’s just a fact. No one said it would be the “end of times” either. Oklahoma wasn’t the end of times and neither was 9/11. But why in the world would you people welcome even a repeat of 9/11? Come on. You people are nuts, really.

  • Snickers

    I didn’t vote for Bush/Cheney. I despise them and their methods. But the truth is we have huge problems facing this nation. We are in an economic mess the likes of which haven’t ever been seen before so no one knows what the real fix is. I don’t believe focusing on Bush/Cheney investigations is going to help people in Kentucky, Missouri, or other hard hit states by natural disasters. It’s not going to fix this economy or provide jobs. Right now this government needs to help the people of this country survive and thrive and then help the global community. After that we can discuss investigating Bush/Cheney.

  • KintheNorthwest

    What “Moral High Ground”.
    This last election was far from won on “Moral High Ground.” Then just look at most of the nominees and policies that Obama has been trying to shove down our throats. –Do you call that “Moral High Ground”. (Joke around town is to keep letting Obama put up his choses and the national debt will be paid off in unpaid back taxes).

    When you talk about scare tactics from the Bush administration, you better take a look at Obama’s tactics lately.
    It looks like Obama has learn some lessons from the Bush’s or ?, for he seems to think scare tactics will get his people and policies on board no matter who they are or what the costs. Everytime someone opposes his new bailout bill or nominations Obama starts screaming that we have to do it now before its too late.
    Yes I am a bit scared for my country. I truly felt that Obama deserved a chance to show his stuff. Obama has barely been in office a month and already it seems like his common sense has gone out the door. Even Obama’s media friend’s support is starting to waver.