[Updates] Lindsey Graham Goes at It Again on MSNBC

Graham is a political hack.

Where was Lindsay’s leadership when his party was creating this mess. He represents an economic policy and a party that had their way for 8 years and were a economic failure.

GRAHAM, YOUR ECONOMIC POLICIES AND ECONOMIC LEADERSHIP HAVE BEEN A FAILURE!!! YOU GOT US INTO THIS MESS! YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY ON ECONOMICS OR ON GETTING US OUT OF THIS MESS! YOU ARE JUST PLAYING POLITICS. YOUR RHETORIC IS JUST EMPTY! INSTEAD OF GOING ON TELEVISION AND SPEAKING GIBBERISH WHY DON’T YOU WORK BEHIND THE SCENES LIKE SERIOUS PEOPLE AND HELP TO FIX THIS. YOU ARE, AS USUAL, JUST A SHOWBOATING!

Go get em Lindsay. Over 500 pages of pork. oink, oink…..

I don’t care if Lindsey ‘Goober’ Graham is a hack or not. This bill is the biggest generational theft in US history.

This Porkulus bill MUST be stopped.

This bill is socialist crap that will tank us. Yet again I say God Bless McCain and the GOP.

Lindsey was giving bush a BJ and now suddenly he is for the people….I am done with politicians

Why is it that every single time I hear Obama speak I feel like he’s trying to remember the lines that were written for him, instead of standing up to what he actually believes?

Oh yeah, he simply doesn’t believe in anything.

Nah. The 5 trillion dollars Bush & Company added to the national debt still holds the all time record. He laid more IOUs on future generations than all past administrations combined.

Obama and the democratic majority have a helluva long way to go before they’ll even come close. (They’re not even in the 2nd or 3rd position yet. Both the silver and bronze medals are currently held by previous republican administrations–Reagan and Bush One. The democrats have never even placed.)

The sad news is that he’s probably not reading or paying attention to any of this. The socialist Congress under Pelosi just hand him their Marxist documents and he signs them. I am kind of outraged.

The argument that someone was wrong previously so he or she should be ignored now even though they speak the truth is the path for someone with a closed mind. A correct answer, a truthful answer or the right answer should not be disregarded just because the speaker is disliked or was dishonest. When confronted with the truth embrace it don’t run from it.

and here we go folks, it’s another edition of the blame game, Never mind that big pork bill behind the curtain!

I am not sure what you mean by pork? Just another Republican talking point. What is your solution? A heck of a lot of economist believe that the best and most efficient way to stimulate the economy is through spending. The Republicans have only complained about 1% of this bill, of which most of it is now out of the bill. So where exactly is all the pork. Easy to cherry pick and make a big show out of a few programs that you don’t agree with, but that is just showboating and politics. Sure convinces you guys. You guys are so easily manipulated.

Hey, CAPS-LOCK. What you describe is your man in the WH.

he believes in pork

Let us all wave our little flags enthusiastically and sing our praises of Republican Fiscal Responsibility…

I was going to post something about the other white meat but I’ll leave that for UBM, as he seems to revel in such.

Exactly! That’s what I am doing as we speak. As anyone who wants to see this country turn around would. What is up with the GOP hate? Time to move on and stop more mistakes from happening. FYI Bush isn’t the President any longer.

Hey there, butterball. The lack of success now is on oblahblah’s watch. Like it? Get ready for a lot of the same. Go on TV. Read some lines. Nothing for the American People. Second Verse … more from America’s Worst.

FYI Bush isn’t the President any longer.

That sounds funny coming from a Bush supporter, especially considering the fact that you neoconpoops spent the better part of 8 years blaming Clinton for all of Chimpy’s mistakes.

I’m confused. So the left is saying that they should pass the Pork Fat Bill, destroy the country, all as payback for their hatred of Bush? So, two wrongs make a right? Not.

expressing GOP hate deflects attention from the massive pork bill before us that the Democrats are trying to pass off as a stimulus bill.

Where exactly is the pork?

The Republicans were complaining about 1% of the bill. All of that is now out. Easy to cherry pick a few programs you don’t like. Great showboating by a Republican party that has no leadership and is bankrupt of ideas.

Are you saying I am a Bush supporter? Where did you get that one? I’m just tired of trying to look forward and, as wodiej states, playing the old, tired blame game. This Bill is a mess, GOP, Dem, whomever you are. Not sure why you attacked me.

Actually, no – he stood up to Bush a number of times. And he has worked across the aisle, including with Hillary, with whom he worked to help get benefits for members of the Guard and Military. He also opposed secret spying, military tribunals, and torture.

He also was a member of the Gang of 14 (over the filibuster rule), for which he took a TON of heat here in his home state.

Like I said elsewhere – I sure don’t agree with everything Graham says/does, and have disagreed with him a good bit, but he has stood up to his party and to Bush.

Though I appreciate your general frustration with politicians…

The past is prelude. I was thinking what the tax cut proposals in the alternative republican package would do to the deficit and national debt.

They propose less spending–granted. But the size of their tax cuts would result in an even larger deficit than the democratic package.

It’s simple arithmetic.

It’s also why you mainly hear them bashing Obama, but seldom discussing the details of what they want to do instead.

It’s called being American. Nothing to do with party, although it’s nice to see the GOP paying attention to the Bill Obama has never read.

Did you hear what Barney’s Frank wants to do
Cap the pay of ALL executives and business owners

That means we will have a min wage and a max wage.

That is the definition of Marxism

I am laughing that someone here thinks I voted for Bush. Never in a million years. But I have paid attention to his Bill and I think, timing wise, it’s ridiculous and inappropriate on way too many levels. I don’t care who did what in the past. We have to reclaim this country and stabilize it. This gross, unnecessary, rampant spending is NOT the answer and never will be. I think we should all stop the partisan excuses. i.e., some of the people here call you names if you disagree with Obama and this nonsense.

Bush & Co are now out of the picture. History and our wallets will judge them harshly. PITO is now in charge and if he wants to deficit spend 1 trillion because Bush spent 5 I say he will be judge much more harshly than them.

The Republican hate for Clinton was demonstated amply during the 8 years of Bush. What was up with the Republican hate? The fringes are to blame for our mess–both right and left. As to my politics, I am a former Democrat, now independent who supported HRC, and am a radical centrist. That is well known by people who frequent this blog.

I don’t care who did what in the past. We have to reclaim this country and stabilize it

EXACTLY!!!

Well, Ferd, if you can indicate where I have spewed “Republican hate for Clinton” let me know. Again, not sure why I am on the short end of the GOP attack. I didn’t bring you Bush.

Are you so stupid and blind to the point that you don’t know that Graham is one of the best, fair minded person in the US Senate… He fought the Bushes on a lot of issues and he is not a heck… If there is a heck here it’s Obama, you blind frog. GIVM HELL GRAHAM and please kill that bill.

Will you ever get that jobs are directly related to tax cuts and only indirectly related to government spending.

I don’t know exactly what the left is saying. What I’m saying is that the bozos on the right side of the aisle should sit down with the bozos on the left side of the aisle, and start working out compromises that make some degree of good sense to everybody. If they don’t we’re all screwed, and it won’t much matter who’s fault it was.

Alexis, just so you know, for some random reason, a bunch of your comments ended up in Spam. If you don’t see your comments right away, PLEASE write the Admin. so they can be released (we try to go through the Spam filter on a regular basis, but sometimes life gets in the way).

This goes for everyone – a LOT of the regulars here have been having their comments go into the folder for no appropriate reason – heck, I’ve even had mine go in there. So, if you don’t see them right away, let someone know (susanunpc at gmail dot com).

Susan, you can get me to view MSNBC snippets of Senators discussing the Generational Theft Bill but even you cannot get me to watch MSNBC pundits discussing these events.

BTW, President Bush could not have raised the deficit without a complicit Congress which, for the past two years, was controlled by the D’s, that telltale Zogby poll in which BO voters claimed the opposite, notwithstanding.

I hope they try it. All of this stuff is going to sink those fools immediately. Americans aren’t going to put up with this BS. Never.

The fringes are to blame for our mess–both right and left. As to my politics, I am a former Democrat, now independent who supported HRC, and am a radical centrist

You and me both..Nobody owns me!!

That is the first time I have seen tingle butt since the thievery of the primary. I could have gone the rest of my life ….

Lets see these Marxists try to shut down right wing talk with the fairness doctrine..
Keep pushing that militant Chavez envelope and watch the backlash

The real revolution is a scant four years away!

Repub spending is focusing on actually stimulating the economy whereas the Dem bill isn’t. It’s simple common sense.

Many Repub’s said, they want tax cuts for workers and business. If you weren’t so mesmerized with O you would have know that.

It’s round twoo of the blame game.

Damn those rethugs! Don’t they realise 500 million Americans are losing their jobs every month!? Nancy Pelosi told me so.

Geez, the US is sooo f*cked with these people in charge..

I only hope that what you just said is true because it is exactly what Mark Levin said last night when ridiculing PITO’s socialist policies.

I’m not sure about that. Tax cuts produce new jobs when an economy is rolling along full speed ahead. I don’t know if it works when the economy is stalled out. There’s some logic to the idea that things may need to be jump started.

I’m not sure who can get the cash moving right now but the government.

Does the CBO report take into consideration the impact of investing in roads, bridges, Internet access, medical records, etc. and how that will help the economy in the long-term. I do not think so.

What is the alternative? To do nothing. The Republicans only tax cut plans are a complete failure.

It is funny how the economy always seems to do better under Democratic adminstrations. The Democrats have way more credibility with the economy that the Republicans will ever have. Two biggest deficit spenders and presidents that lead us into the biggest recession were Reagan and Bush.

“I call to your attention a study done in December 2006 by Elliott Parker, Ph.D., who is a Professor of Economics at the University of Nevada-Reno. Using data from the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis, Dr. Parker first compared the economic performance of Republican and Democratic presidencies from 1929 through the end of 2005. He found that the Real GDP Growth Rate (annual average) was 1.9% for Republican administrations and 5.1% for Democratic administrations during this time. Real GDP Growth Rate Per Capita was .7% for the Republicans and 3.8% for the Democrats. However, the professor pointed out that the years comprising the Great Depression and WWII should probably be excluded from the comparison. So economic performance from 1949 (end of Truman administration) to 2005 was compared, which showed Real GDP Growth Rate (annual average) under Republican administrations now stood at 2.9% and Democratic administrations at 4.2%. Real GDP Growth Rate Per Capita was 1.7% for the Republicans and 2.9% for the Democrats. These results prompted Dr. Parker to conclude that “the economy has grown significantly faster under Democratic administrations, and more than twice as fast in per-capita terms.”

See this:

http://www.boom2bust.com/2007/12/12/is-a-republican-president-really-better-for-the-economy/

It’s amazing that people don’t actually read or analyze this stuff…just tell us all that we should go along with the President in Training, who has no idea what the hell he is doing in the first place. All I look forward to is the biggest backlash against the Spendy Dims in 2010.

expressing GOP hate deflects attention from the massive pork bill before us that the Democrats are trying to pass off as a stimulus bill.

This bill is a payback bill for all those who helped game the system.

The real attack on this country occurred on election night.

This bill provides money to organizations that helped elect Obama, such as ACORN. It has nothing to do with improving the economy of the USA. Obama, who is fronting for the international bankers and corporatists, has already allowed trillions to be funneled offshore. This current “stimulus” bill is only designed to solidify the Obama voting base and to encourage welfare programs, so people will be beholding to the federal government and will vote for people who keep the welfare checks coming.

cynic…haven’t you heard? Obama says “I won” so we all have to do what he says. There’s no way to compromise on this Bill. It’s is rotten to its core in its philosophy. Most of us don’t want to live in a Communist country, but we certainly don’t agree that spending money we do not have on social programs right now is a good idea. Instead of people immediately getting their hackles up and screaming REPUGS why don’t people grow up and educate themselves about what this bill really is? Can you really, cynic, tell me (and why) you think this bill is some raging success? I would think you would have a very hard time defending it, since most scholarly economists think it’s cow pies.

I 100% agree with you “showboating” is definately American. One of our worst traits.

In the Senate there are generally two types of Senators: workhorse and showhorse. Lindsey Graham is definately a showhorse.

bb, where the hell are you thinking? pork? hell yes that stimulus bill is full of pork. please! is your nose growing longer.

Lark
I’m just a back bencher reporting the news..LOL

Yeah, tax cuts do produce new jobs. The math is really simple and has been explained over and over throughout this ridiculous election. If McCain had won we would be off to the races. Oh, yeah, and we would actually feel kinda good about being American. Which is something no one will feel until Obama vacates the throne.

cynic, stop excusing the theft of the american people by democrats and showing how naive your comment is. the democrats controlled congress the last two years. they enabled bush. the gloried in our demise. next!

At only 3% infrastructure spending, that wouldn’t nearly recover those 500 million jobs a month Americans are losing according to Pelosi….LOL

Round 3 of the blame game folks,

It wasn’t just an “attack on this country” November 4th. It was Lady Liberty’s death sentence.

Republicans are no saints in this matter. You originally asked what is up with the GOP hate and I answered you. They deserve a great deal of flack for what they allowed to transpire as do the Democrats. I find both parties to be more than culpable, with enough blame to spread around until the chickens come home to roost, wherever that may be. I didn’t like Bush but I equally don’t like That One.

instead of complaining in a blog….I have spent the last 2 days on the phone calling my Senators.
Telling them if they support a pork and payoff bill then consider themselves FIRED..
12 cents on the dollar is all that bill gives for actual stimulus of the economy…. not this bill and this time….
7 states already submitted a bill for sovereignty 10 others in the process of writing. A good chunk of America standing and saying they are tired of Government trying to control it’s citizens and infringing on constitutional rights.

hey cynic, stop insulting your fellow americans. we all should wave our little flags. got a problem with that?

THE DEMOCRATS HELPED BANKRUPT US. naive and shallow thinking and wishing doesn’t change it.

Politico is reporting republican House members retreated to a VERY exclusive and VERY expensive golf,spa/retreat in Hot Springs, VA last week.

This weekend House democrats will do the same at an equally expensive exclusive retreat in Williamsburg, VA where Obama will meet with them.

Do any of these damn fools including Obama, have a clue as to the trouble our country and we citizens are facing and that perhaps we would rather not foot the bill for their carousing, drinking, golfing vacation??

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18408.html

You are spot on. Any politician will have to earn my vote, irrespective of party affiliation.

SUSAN..

I Think that should be “COULD NOT COUNT ON HIS LOYALTY”..in your comment just above the top picture of Graham…That Guy is playing politics naow and the GOP is in FULL Attack Mode..

Its information and disinformation warfare..the repubs are already campaigning..

Look at all the CRAP BUSH & CO got away with yelling..”Its a CRISIS…”

Giving with one3 HAND and taking with nthe other..All Unregulated and NO Checks and Balances..When they do it..ITS “PATRIOTIC”..

When the Dems do it..Its “SOCIALISM..”

You are a super star. I could no more try to reason with someone who has no ability to reason than I could vote for that jaba the hutt they are calling a bill …

Amy, thank you for telling me. I was thinking my computer was having a heart attack and dying when my posts didn’t show up. I will not post the same thing twice any longer, again, thanks.

THE DEMOCRATS HELPED BANKRUPT US. naive and shallow thinking and wishing doesn’t change it.

They surely did their fair share. Anyone who doesn’t see that is a partisan hack. There is so much blame to be spread around, we’re up to our hips in it.

if texas were to withdraw, they could actually break up into five separate entities.

Good Jckie. As well some also complain on the blog and take action outside of the the blog as well. This is not what I would call a silent group.

cynic
Excuse me–the past is prelude?
Remember October 2008 and the fear mongering about the 700 billion? Your man voted for that and they can’t account for 350 billion of our money and now the man that ran on the platform that “I’m not Bush” and now he wants a trillion more using the same doom and gloom scenario–is anybody out there listening to this crap who knows what crap it is?

Good for you Jackie. I agree that all of us need to continue to take action against this destruction of our country. I called my Senators too, although I don’t think mine will be helpful.

I pray that every state pushes this sovereignty situation. I actually hope some states start secession measures. The people in DC need to know that Americans aren’t going to sit still for this. Who do Pelosi, Obama and all of them think they are? They work for us, but they sure seem to have forgotten that.

stodgie…that is what I pray. Texas has the oil and it’s a red state. I think they would be the best ones to start this and take a stand. I know those people aren’t going to just sit by and watch Obama and Pelosi steal their money and piss it away all day long. Those people didn’t vote for him and won’t tolerate it.

A good chunk of America standing and saying they are tired of Government trying to control it’s citizens and infringing on constitutional rights.

Where were they when Bush was working overtime to deconstruct the Constitution? Those tools he created at the expense of that document are now That one’s to use as he will. No President shoudl have that sort of power, be a Republican or Democrat in power.

In other news..Seattle Moss had the biggest sales day in the history of the company.

I figured out how to get every one to buy

We are in a trough. A deep deflationary moment. The dark before the dawn.
When magically prices are at their lowest, with demand way off and people needing to work on the line..
The absolute best time to buy before the onset of hyper inflationary which will happen after this stimulus bill is passed.

You should have seen the stampede today to buy!

Oh GOD, WHO DRAGGED OUT LAWRENCE O’DONNEL???

I thought we finally stuck him in a bottle to break only for emergency.

Mr. Number one Obama promoter from way back on Al Franken’s radio show. He’s thrilled he finally predicted a win.

Now that I’ve spent more time on O’Donnel, let me just say…….GO SENATOR GRAHAM.

Yes, I called my Senators and asked they support Senator Grahamas bill.

Glad to hear it, Seattle. I hope it continues for you and your employees.

Not a bad set-up, Ferd. But I don’t take requests.

I do have a nice, new joke about Chris Matthews, though. Wanna hear it?

(clears throat)

Chris Matthews does a lot of coughing on his show, have you noticed? What’s with the coughing? Instead of “Hardball,” they oughta call it “Hairball.”

Ferd…any time someone disagrees with Obama, I have noticed there are certain people who go on the attack and call them names. I think you know who they are. The point is, not all of us who don’t like That One are GOP members. I am happy the GOP is pissing on that Bill, but I didn’t vote for Bush. I would have loved my life if McCain won, now I am sick for my country. At this point it’s so not about party for me. It’s about survival. The namecalling here, however, does sort of get silly after a while. We’re all Americans, aren’t we?

That one is good, UBM. I have a lot of cats so the visual is spot on.

Ferd,
That is why I’m willing to explore other view points regardless of what others think.
In fact most subjects we are discussing have neither a right or wrong answer
Just shades of grey

seattle good for you! i could see your worry. i had the biggest month in january i have had in five years.

No … they just care when the banks do it ….

i’d rather gargle arsenic than watch lawrence o’don’tknownothing!

Obama is going all out for the porkers it seems. He’s playing hard ball and dirty politics. What kind of odds are they giving on passage of this mess in Vegas?

What is the alternative? To do nothing.

Right. We need to wait until a clear winner in the technology fields appears and then supply it with the needed support. We are not still there.

It is funny how the economy always seems to do better under Democratic adminstrations.

Used cars also produce greater payback than the fools that drive a new car out the dealer’s lot.

excuse us, but how do you know we haven’t already called our Senators? It’s not like it takes that long.

Agreed. I suppose I see so many fringers here it is sometimes difficult to discern real commenters from flamers and vice versa. My apologies.

Good for you Stodgie!
Mark this day in your calendars as the first day of a turn around. The markets will start coming back especially if the Marxists can figure out what to do and get something passed that helps business.
We need to get the momentum going!

Martinez have never cared a hoot about what Floridians have to say.

Thank you Ferd. I think it’s a high octane time for people emotionally regardless.

I’m not saying it’s a raging success. It’s the raw material we’ve presently got to work with. It could be pruned, and the parts that are good could be hammered into something a lot better. The overall price tag could be greatly reduced. That would be popular. The republicans could score points by helping achieve it.

Public support for the plan in it’s current state isn’t exactly overwhelming. Republicans could be using that to have effective input into the final shape the package takes. But they’re blowing off that opportunity. Instead, they’re trying to get the whole thing scrapped, without having an alternative that stands a snowball’s chance in hell of getting through congress. They seem to prefer to harness public uncertainty to chip away at Obama and their political opponents. This is a very risky game they’re playing. They may only harden democratic resolve, and leave us all stuck with a lame bill. If it fails, they may get traction in 2010, but it will have come at a terribly high cost to the nation.

That’s basically my take on the situation. I’ve got nothing more worth saying about it. I’d just get repetitious.

round 4 of the blame game….let’s talk about that oinker spending bill…

And good for you, too, stodgie. Every bit of good news is welcome.

Bush stepped over the line many times, I will not make excuses for him, except he never did it as payoffs or to hurt us as a nation.

Lincoln stepped on the constitution many times to hold us together before and during the civil war.

wrong yes, the laws of our nation are there for a purpose; but one of the main objectives of President is to keep our contry safe.

Wouldn’t you break a law to protect a child?
In many ways a President is the acting parent of a country.

Thank you ferd
We might actually have to hire some people back next month!

good for all who have businesses.

Well, I’m listening to Obama [live] give his spin on the stimulus bill at the Democratic caucus.

This is lame stuff, folks. Pure boilerplate politics read to the choir. And really, the American public voted for this sort of ching-ching-change??

Then why, oh why are the polls down to 37% approval on this porkfest?

Oh, I know. It’s the Republicans’ fault.

The Dems can pass it if they want. And they will live and die with the results, including the Mighty One. And I don’t care how many “economic experts” they claim to have.

Here’s the emotional windup. Oh please!!!! This man is too, too much. Another catastrophe knell. And how long has he been in? Too long.

Early reports say the Senate team has broken for the evening. Another day’s reprieve!

they have an alternative. no one including a number of democratic senators are being given time to work this out.

BB, even Claire McCaskill said the bill was so full of pork , she wasn’t sure she could vote for it.

Give it a rest.

I heard a Texan on talk radio today and that is exactly what she said.

Wow, states are trying to become soverign. Gee, I”m glad there is so much hope and change that states don’t want to be part of the union. Hope and change my ass.

Seattle, so glad for you. Woot! and Whewww for now.

i love your attitude, seattle. bully, bully!tata! snap fingers and do a little dance!

You have the right attitude, Seattle, which is that while you were concerned, you didn’t panic.

What I believe I am seeing in DC right now are politicians in a panic trying to save their phoney baloney jobs and in so doing, may end up creating more problems than they will ever solve.

We need level-headed people running things–like HRC and not panic-stricken children.

Congrats stodgie, good to get a little breather.

nothing wrong with showboating! funny, we usualy criticize that which is within us.

Thank you Katmoon!!
You all have been wonderful in your support and putting up with some of my dire posts.

the natives are restless in texas.

Wouldn’t you break a law to protect a child?
In many ways a President is the acting parent of a country.

You brought up the infringment of Constitutional rights and I answered your challenge. You can’t have it both ways. If it is wrong for Barky, it is equally wrong for Bush, irrespective of reason. It is the law and it exists for a simple purpose–to protect all of us and not just the some or the few. That phrase, “We the People” is supposed to mean something.

pretty soon, obama’s poll numbers will sink like the titanic. i wonder what pelosi’s poll numbers are. any ideas out there?

Stodgie,
Sometimes it’s all about the theatrics.
I was enjoying the analogies I was giving which got people to respond immediately.

That’s why coming here and keeping up with issues gives me a competitive edge with persuading my customers.

thanks katmoon. i am working at home tonight. oh well! better than the alternative. i noticed the stock market was ok today also.

CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/

NEWT: “It’s not really a stimulus bill. It’s a big government, big corruption, and big pork bill.”

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/02/newt-its-not-really-stimulus-bill-its.html

Did anyone really think this wouldn’t happen? This sham was always going to end badly for America and Americans. I have some family in Texas, and some friends. I know what they think of Obama and this joke “President” crud. Not pretty. Go Texas. Leave this crappy country behind.

oops, i see you added this story as an update.

Oh, I know. It’s the Republicans’ fault.

LOL. Not this time Peggy Sue. This crap is all at the feet of the Dimwits. No way to blame Bush for this one.

well, i suppose we’ll take our oil wells both on and offshore with us. but geez think about the refugee and illegal immigrants from kansas, arkansas etc. we couldn’t build fences high enough. snark!

God save us all.

I feel like my head is going to explode tryig to understand all this. I am very concerned with Obama’s message that if his bill doesn’t pass the country is doomed. I am all about helping people and providing the economy with a boost but, why can’t government understand that cuts have to be made. Where is the government suppose to get all this money? These politicians are so busy trying to put their own spin own things that I don’t know what to believe.

My Father-in-law lives in San Francisco and the mood of the general public there about Ms Ritz is not good.

LMFAO stodgie. So true. I think it would be great if all the oil producing states seceded, pooled their resources and drilled, baby, drilled. Can you imagine what would happen? Finally some Americans would be energy independent and out from under the dictatorship of Herr Pelosi-Obama.

short and sweet, obama is acting like an idiot! he can take his doom and gloom and put it out of my sight. i turn him off!

cynic – you also have to remember that the D’s in the house who crafted this bill did not work with the R’s. This is a partisan bill which has some major problems. All the R’s are trying to do is to inject their constituents priorities into the legislation. That’s their job! So the D’s boxed them in and the R’s are saying “whoa nellie” our constituents matter too. i happen to agree.

the best legislation is almost always crafted in a non-partisan posture.

Repubs paid their own way with PAC money and donations, as for the DEMS, we the taxpayers are paying their tab.

The Republicans ARE trying to help. It’s Obama and Pelosi who are playing Chicken Little and claiming that unless this filthy “bill” is passed America will collapse overnight. Do you not understand that? That the GOP is saying NO, we’re not signing on unless and until the unnecessary fat is out? I find that to be responsible. Pelosi thought she could take this country over, enact her communist bills and nonsense, and no one would be able to stop her. She’s got another thing coming.

Where is the government supposed to get all this money?

The government is going to get “all this money” the old fashioned way. They’re going to borrow it. From future generations.

McCain was out on the news last night pushing the alternative bill.

The alternative bill sounds a lot better, imho.

Miss H…nicely put!

Of course because McCain actually read the cow pie bill and understands what this country needs. He is an adult, and Obama is an infantile Pelosi Puppet. Big difference. I would tend to take the word of someone who cares about this country surviving over the word of someone who only cares about campaigning for 2012.

I know my opinion doesn’t really matter much. But, I think before the federal gov gives one dime to all these states that are in dire straits they should all be required to open the books and cut some of the wasteful and excess spending.
It’s the same as trying to get a home loan. I had to provide two years worth of tax returns and bank statements for a $69,000 loan. These states and companies want billions and all they have to do is ask.
Make these states show where the money is going.

Not a bad idea to saw off the red states. There are so few of them and they represent such a small part of the country now. Essentially, the deep south, excluding Florida, and a few fields in the middle.

Let the red states form their own country and make sure they take their portion of the George Bush deficit with them.

The Red States can then go fight their war with Islam and immigrants, while they go bankrupt. Just keep your polution on your side of the border.

Linda, of course your opinion matters. Certainly more than that of the trolls around here lol. I think that’s a great idea, actually, thanks for posting it.

like i said, Alexis, the d’s left the r’s out when crafting this package. that was a mistake from the beginning. if the d’s, who hold majority, are serious about policymaking they MUST include the r’s. afterall, 57 million did not vote for obama!

bb, shut up! you simply embarrassing yourself again.

That’s how I feel too. Back when I was a Dem, I thought he would be one I wouldn’t like. But I heard him very harsh on the Bush Admin at times and found myself respecting him. Not saying I always agree on him, but I do think his intentions are good.

agree with him

Lindsay Graham has no credibility on these issues after 8 years of Bushian sycophancy.

Is BB the same person as UKforDems? They seem to have the same insulting demeanor.

You know, I wish Congress would just fix the damned credit/banking problems and at least postpone this Keynesian notion of government spending it’s way out of the recession.

I can’t buy an effing ink cartridge for our postage machine without special-ordering it. Can’t buy a vitamin for my sick cat without it being on back order. Can’t buy frigging acidophilus capsules for my husband without waiting for stock to be replenished. These are just small examples of a much larger problem.

See the pattern? Businesses don’t have their usual access to credit so they’re keeping inventories low. Let your imagination run wild and think of what this is doing for other types of businesses besides retailers.

I’m willing to do my share and help spend our way out of this recession but it’s damn hard these days! If Congress passes this bill, businesses will have to compete with government for access to credit. Guess who’ll be the winner?

This bill is a disaster. God help us.

My, what an American point of view, BB. Balkanize the United States. You’re a credit to your Leader!

No wonder we’re in trouble.

I agree, Alexis. I didn’t like the Bush/Cheney duo, but this is “all” on the Dems. No backtracking or backpedalling.

They own this oinker!

d2d you are 100% correct. And God bless that 57 Million!

God help us indeed! And unlike some here, I mean all of us, Blue states and Red States alike. The country falls on the sword, we all go down. And our children after us.

Amen, Peggy Sue

Susan,

The CBO report mentioned in, that excuse for a paper, the Washigton Times is likely a bunch of BS. The article mentioned no name of any specific report and quotes absolutely nobody from the CBO. I have been all over their website and I see nothing at all about what this article says. They also do not directly quote from any report so they are really just parphrasing and intrepreting themselves, if there really is something to interpret. A newspaper not know for its honesty and accuracy leaves serious doubt if there really was a report and what exactly it says.

The Republicans pulled this kind of BS before with the quoting of supposive first CBO report, which was a complete lie and BS.

This is how it went the first time around with a supposive CBO report.

“We did not issue any report, any analysis or any study,” a CBO aide told the Huffington Post.

Rather, the nonpartisan CBO ran a small portion of an earlier version of the stimulus plan through a computer program that uses a standard formula to determine a score — how quickly money will be spent. The score only dealt with the part of the stimulus headed for the Appropriations Committee and left out the parts bound for the Ways and Means or Energy and Commerce Committee.”

The Republicans then leaked a incomplete analysis that did not tell the whole story or was officially signed off on by the CBO. A complete shame, but that is something we have come to expect from the Republicans.

See:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/a-controversial-cbo-repor_n_160495.html

Here’s an email that was going around Texas:

We Texans love y’all, but we’ll have to take action since Obama won president over McCain. We’ll miss you too. Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas are considering taking matters into our hands.

Here is our solution:

#1: Go ahead, Elect Barak Obama President of the United States . (All 49
states.) (Or all 59 – whichever way you look at it)

#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas. (my strike)

So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas . (We will control the space
industry.)

2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.

3. Defense Industry.. We have over 65% of it. The term, “Don’t mess with
Texas,” will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for
the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.

5. Natural Gas – Again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those
northern states. Al Gore will figure a way to keep them warm.

6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications. Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, etc., etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Health Centers – We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.

8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech,
Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, Texas Women’s University. Ivy
grows better in the South anyway.

9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need
some.)

10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the
Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple of Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types
of grain, fruit and vegetables; and let’s not forget seafood from the Gulf.
And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good.
Don’t need any food.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in
good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and don’t have.

Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama: Since you won’t
have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Mr. Gore will be able to
drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest of the United States
will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your
communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes, but
since Mr. Gore has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.

Signed, The People in Texas

Right on to the people of Texas. That’s hysterical. BB can troll all it wants but that’s the truth. Hahahhahaha.

Can you yourself read? That package is pork and nothing else. Why don’t you stop trolling Huffpoop and other left fringer sites and tell us, in your own words, why this bs package is a good thing. You can’t.

That’s right. Forget Bush…Texas is the home of Ann Richards and Barbara Jordan. Gotta love em!!!

And you have memorized your talking points very well…you really think the housing crisis, creating by Freddie & Fannie, was the sole responsibility of all Republicans? You need to get past such blind partisan blame and ideology. There are representatives on both sides who are equally responsible for this debacle (eg: Barney Frank, Chris Dodd), and if you refuse to see that, then you are no better than the right wingnuts.

I kept hearing from all the bots before he took office, his approval rating was 82%. The first day he took office, his approval rating was 68%.

They own this lard ass pork fat bill. And in 2010 the people of this country will remember. Can you say douche Congress lol?

Alexis as someone who has been a Dem for 40 years until this year — I have to say my former party is drunk with power and Koolaid. McCain’s bill is far better. In fact McCain is far better. Can’t wait till we have divided govt again in 2010.

Can’t wait till we have divided govt again in 2010.

I’m looking forward to the Republican Revolution 2012!

no kidding I hear you. Does anyone else think maybe we should lose the labels next time and just vote for the appropriate candidate? This last one was so confusing to be honest. So many of us Dems who will never go back.

Does anyone else think maybe we should lose the labels next time and just vote for the appropriate candidate?

That would be nice except the labels we are dealing with aren’t democrat and republican
They are..
Marxism and Tyranny Vs Liberty and Freedom

seattle — today Hannity said that Stabenow should come and try to take his microphone from him. He was furious. He called her office over and over but she would not answer.

They are going to try to force stations to do more local programming to stop right wing radio.

I stand with them. Its called Free Speech.

Oops…Yeah, I forgot that this is a war between Communism and Patriotism. I just still don’t understand why, when people are given the gift of being American, they would choose to flush this country down the toilet and become Venezuelan. I guess self loathing is alive and well.

I’d as soon eat ground glass as read the Huffington Post. No thank you. Using that corrupt, censored piece of lefty propaganda automatically discounts anything you have to say.

neverland — My question is Nancy Pelosi stupid or does she just think we’re stupid?

Not to answer for Neverland…Pelosi hates America so much, like Obama, that she literally thinks we are too ignorant and stupid to catch her destroying us. She has to go. By 2010 I suspect torches and pitchforks will be involved in the election.

I guess the people of Texas have spoken! And did you catch that resolution introduced in New Hampshire?

Don’t mess with us. “Live free or die” has consequences!

See here, HRC-6:

http://americandaily.com/index.php/article/494

Words matter. Remember?

What Pelosi, Obama, Reid and all of those low IQ brain dead losers will figure out soon… the heart and soul of America is in the middle of the country. The people who work, pay taxes, pay their bills and love America with all their hearts. The Pelosi America hating filthy elitists are a small part of this country. We will do them in, one way or another. This is America and they are anti-America scum. We’ve prevailed over worse and will continue to prevail.

At this rate, the clear winner will likely be somewhere offshore. We’re not willing to spend to train engineers and scientists. Lots of our kids don’t even graduate from high school. We’re letting our infrastructure fall apart. We think alternative energy is a pipe dream, and forget about $4 gas as soon as the price drops. Our auto industry is way behind the curve. We no longer manufacture our own computers or televisions, or any of the consumer goods mostly collecting dust on retail store shelves. We don’t even manufacture basic things like shes and clothing. We’ve been sold into a state of dependency by people who invest their profits overseas. We’re in debt up to our ears to China. And a lot of us think doing nothing is the best idea…

Sure. They’re all morons.

(At least in the estimation of those who consider the pronouncements of an unlicensed plumber pearls of wisdom.)

Awwww it’s a Bot Troll. When did they let you out of your cage?

I remain unsure about the behaviour of moderate Rethugs and even DLC Democrats.

As for the 20 PUMA bigots, spreading their cat pee, all thse bitter bigots bigoting want to do is stop the Stimulus Bill. Then they can run round their burning crosses boasting how Obama lost a bill. No one, given the size of the deficit is real supporting the DeMint $3trillion tax cut just for the rich. Except PUMA bigots. Maybe Murphy thought she ahd the $6 million. And they call Obama supporters Bots?

Anyway, just to give you support, PUMAPAC has a donate button. Go give!

Even simple economics, they do not understand.

bb, please go to huff poop and blog there. i just know you’ll be much happier for awhile.

look simpleton, we pay bills. we work for a living and try to make the world a better place. so get off your self righteous dung hill. you are pathetic, vicious, rather dumb, and think quoting left wing sources is supposed to impress us. geez, you think not.

Ukee Dem:

Well I give you credit, you held out longer than most of those racist accusing Obots.

You still trying to get a green card. How about a job? How’s those double jointed fingers feeling?

Just can’t stand that some people are actually vigilant in watching what the actions of their President? Is he your President too? Or, do you just want to adopt him?

Keep of the lovefest, it becomes you!

Why does anyone here post to this UK person? Every single post from it is insulting, rude, obnoxious and disgusting. Let the troll roam the board alone. Maybe it will leave soon.

Wow, the Obamatrons are “really” getting nervous. No fingernails left, I bet. Great response, Donna Brazile.

Stop the lovefest, indeed!

So why aren’t they telling people the specifics of this amazing alternative?

They’ve had as much time to get a formal proposal together as the democrats have. More, you’d think, since they haven’t been busy managing a presidential transition.

Well, if “past is prelude,” this past two weeks says it all, doesn’t it???

Are you picking up a bit of anxiety in the Obamatrons?? Even they know this bill sucks. But they just can’t quite admit it.

Poor babies! We need to contact FEMA for the upcoming emergency, a serious political fallout.

Get shelters and straight-jackets ready. It won’t be pretty.

cynic, THEY TOLD THE SPECIFICS. you and others didn’t bother to listen or think critically.

cynic…how can you comment on something, and bash people, when you didn’t do your homework? Oh my god. The GOP has blasted all over the place the specific numbers, changes, etc. the the bill they propose. It might be better for you if you would stop spending your days pissing on the GOP and do some research.

I think you are right Peggy Sue. The Obots have been especially ugly lately. It’s the fallout of the Kool Aid wearing off. Hell, a crack high lasts longer than the Obama high did.

isn’t the appointment of Senator Gregg simply about getting another DEM senator (replacing Gregg a REP) because his replacement will be appointed by a DEM Governor.

Sadly true, Alexis. And eventually, even the majority of Obamatrons will know what a rotten bill of goods we’ve been sold.

And then, they can pat themselves on the back. If they’re blessed, they won’t choke to death. But you won’t catch me lighting any candles for them.

Oh, happy days!

I’m one of those Dems who will never go back. It’s candidate only from now on. In fact, I wish there was a third party, a new American Party.

Right now I’m cheering for the GOP. But honestly, I don’t like either one. Particularly the fringe-bats on both sides.

Not sure what you are reading but this is what the stimulus package looks like, although it is changing:

About a $800 bn plan. The bulk of the package or about $550 bn goes to be used to build new schools and highways, invest in energy and health-care projects and provide unemployment and health benefits for out-of-work Americans. There are about another $300 billion of tax cuts, representing about 40% of the overall total.

Here is the link to the complete break down of the stimulus package (although is changing). Take a look and educate yourself. Where exactly is all this great amount of pork?

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf

Do you consider tax cuts pork? Do you consider spending on healthcare, schools, roads, bridges, etc. etc. etc. pork?

The programs that people have been complaining about represents only 1% of the stimulus package and most of that is now out.

So what is your solution? To do nothing. Let unemployment go to 10-12% and company bankrupcies to sky-rocket or to kick-start the economy to at least get things rolling in the right direction again?

I guess you are smarter than all the economists or your hatred for Obama is the only thing you believe in and that trumps everything else and all you want to do is play politics? Very sad!

Texans can complain all they want, but it was there man Bush and their politics that got us into this mess. The country should be mad as hell at the state of Texas.

Where is the government suppose to get all this money?

FROM YOU AND ME!! From EVERY AMERICAN WITH A JOB!! That’s where! The general American public seems to think it magically appears from out of nowhere!

Get ready for your taxes to go up another 30%. I’m not kidding. Are you willing to give 50%-65% of YOUR INCOME to the government for it to be doled out to people who don’t work or to CRAPPY programs????? I’m not! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!