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Stimulus Developments * Open Thread

Here’s the ascerbic Fox All-Stars panel on Special Report with Bret Baier yesterday on the stimulus package (we’ll have Thursday’s panel opinions in a few hours):


Thanks to CheneyWatch.org for posting
these videos at the NoQuarterUSA YouTube channel

Michelle Malkin reports that “the Squishy Four [Republican senators] are”:

(no surprises here):
Collins (202) 224-2523
Snowe (202) 224-5344
Voinovich (202) 224-3353
Specter (202) 224-4254

bluedog-ssBUT THERE ARE “WOBBLY” Democrats as well, reports Time’s Mark Halperin in “Dogs Bark“:

Blue Dog Democrats threaten to walk away from the stimulus bill unless more “wasteful spending” is cut out.

Leaders of the 49-member coalition make the warning in a letter Thursday to Pelosi and Hoyer.

But then there is this news (with an opposite POV below this) — and I must ask if Vegas has odds on this:

Sen. Reid: We’ve got votes on stimulus,” TheHill.com:

harryreidSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters Thursday that he has enough votes to pass a more than $900 billion stimulus bill out of the Senate.

Reid said he believes at least two Republicans of “good will” would support the Democratic-crafted package.

“Do we have the votes? We believe we do,” said Reid, who expects a final vote on the package will be held on Thursday.

It appears the stimulus would attract only a few GOP votes, however, and Senate Democratic leaders distanced themselves from earlier hopes that the economic recovery could draw more Republican support. [...]

Democratic leaders also cast doubt on an effort negotiated by centrists such as Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) to strip as much as $200 billion from the bill.

Schumer said a price tag of $650 billion, which Collins supports for the package, is inadequate.

“If they think they’re going to rewrite this bill, President Obama is going to walk away,” said Reid, when asked about efforts by about 20 centrists to lop off $100 billion to $200 billion from the cost of the package. …

HOWEVER, via The Weekly Standard’s “Harry Hangs It Up For the Night; Stimulus Vote Postponed Until Tomorrow“:

So much for having the votes for the bill tonight, huh? Isn’t this the same mistake Pelosi made on the bailout package the first time around— coming to the floor and overpromising without the votes to make it happen? At least Harry saw the writing on the wall and bailed before an actual defeat on the vote, although I’m not sure the extra time is going to buy him any votes for this version of the bill.

Momentum continues to favor the Republicans’ side of the argument and make red-state Democrats nervous, as a new CBS poll shows that 81 percent of the American public believes the bill should be a bipartisan effort, and only 13 percent believe it’s okay to pass it with only Democratic support.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said tonight shortly before 9 p.m. that he thought it best that the Senate stop legislating for the night and reconvene tomorrow morning with the stimulus package as their first priority. A final vote on the package was widely expected tonight, and Reid called off the proceedings with amendments still pending.

“There are an number of Republican Senators working with Democratic Senators to come up with an alternative,” he said of the negotiations he cited as the reason for holding off. “I think we need tonight and some of tomorrow to see if we can do it.”

If, he said, the parties don’t come to an agreement by tomorrow and it looks as though the Senate is “spinning our wheels,” the Democrat plans to file for a cloture vote.

“Everyone’s gonna have to give a little and understand that this is a process, we have to move this ball down the court,” he said. “I would hope that we could complete this legislation tomorrow. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can do that.”

The new CBS poll also offers this tidbit, which would be helpful to Democrats in coming up with an alternative, if they were actually interested in doing that instead of in spending a trillion dollars on their favorite causes and programs:

Asked whether higher government spending or tax cuts for business would be more effective in ending the recession, 59 percent choose the tax cuts. Just 22 percent prefer more government spending.

Twenty-two percent? No wonder Reid said on the floor earlier that “we should outlaw polls.” They’re nothing but trouble for Democrats.

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WHO are the nervous Democrats? Well they’d be those “Blue Dogs” that Halperin mentioned. If Obama’s plan falls flat on its face – as many predict — and the economy gets worse, unemployment soars, and the stimulus package is seen to not have improved anything, these Democrats who come from more conservative states don’t want a “Yea” vote on THEIR record, and I can’t blame them.

  • blogforce one

    It’s one giant handout to all of the cronies who “elected’ the chosen one! everyone now sees through this scam and the word is out! We were hustled like a drunken john on a street corner bar!

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    And Obama stamps his widdle footsy and says that it isn’t a “game” when it comes to this bad old economic mess.

    What did Obama think it was??? Of course it’s a chess game and the GOP are making him look like an empty suit. Which is not to hard to do since he is one.

    Note to Obama: You’re in WAY over your head. Do the right thing and resign while you’re still somewhat on top.

  • blogforce one

    Anyone who votes for this bill will be held responsible when the dollar tanks and inflation runs wild. Millions more will be out of work and the money will all be gone… What’s next? expropriation of all of the pension funds and our 401k’s in order to “save” them? cm’on! They’ll run through all of our remaining savings in 18 months and there will be no rich left to tax and no more wealth to “spread around”!

  • blogforce one

    “Hope” has turned out to be theft, and “change” has turned out to be a steaming pile of BULLSHIT on a plate! Soon these “Journalists/self chosen electors” will all be in a frenzied state of coprophagy while in one giant circle jerk and it will serve them right when they are thrown out by their own petards along with our “representatives” in the House and Senate!

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    Pay to Play — Chicago Style politics.

    Most likely Obambam sees nothing wrong with what he’s doing. For him — this is business as usual.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    I love the picture of Harry Reid praying to who…God, Jesus, Joseph Smith?

    I really hope the GOP does a number on Obama and this is coming from a lifelong (former) democrat.

    Madam Karma appears to be in the building.

  • Strawberrybitch

    Yup and she’s got her WonderBra set for stun.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    LOL!!!

    Nothing like a pissed off goddess is there!!!

  • Karma

    Went looking into my Blue Dog and ran across this.

    You can actually check out the letters that have been recently sent to your Congresscritter or other districts…Obama included.

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issuesaction/letters/

  • Zeke

    We are two weeks into this circle jerk and “Stinky” Voldemort wants to get out of the building, nearly 60% of Americans are against this bailout and Now some democrats are waking up from the nickel rush of snorting the Koolaid and saying “not me!”
    I knew I was going to get to say “I Told You So” sooner or later and figured it would be in the middle of a congressional fight a few years from now. Who knew “the World is going to challenge that man…” meant finding the right frikken door. When one’s idea of bailing out the boat entails taking a shotgun and blowing a few “drainage holes” in the bottom, even doofs who voted for him are wondering just what is up with President CandyAss

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    I have a story to prove your point, Zeke. A relative has patiently put up with Obot friends who have sung the Obama hymns endlessly for months. Earlier this week, said relative was at their house while the news was on.

    The male obot listened to the clip and then sighed in disgust. “Who knew that Obama was such a loser!!??”

    Said Relative saw the opening and replied, “I guess all the people that voted for Hillary, then McCain, and pleaded with others to not vote for Obama knew that.”

    Apparently the silence was quite profound for a minute or two.

  • Zeke

    chrrrrppp chrrrrp chrrrrrrrppp (vague imitation of crickets)

    At the rate this is going, the ones who were in on the voter fraud are going to start confessing just to stop this insanity…
    It’s like “We knew he was f’d up but not this f’d up.”
    Ol’ Stinky has never had a full-time job. I mean a steady, 40 hr/week job. He was running punk errands for Rezko while at his law firm and he read Alinsky’s book out loud for those ACORNs who were going to cheat for him.
    Now he is averaging what, 70-80 hrs or more and he has to stay. Can’t jump in the limo for a little “unwinder” with the boyz. Can’t hang with Ayers and Assholerod looks more like that German-guy-whose-name-will-pop-the-spam-filter, every day.
    Leno may change his mind about quitting with all this free material floating out there…

  • CG

    Advanced Medicine

    An Israeli doctor says ‘Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks.’

    A German doctor says ‘That is nothing; we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks.’

    A Russian doctor says ‘In my country, medicine is so advanced that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks.’

    The Texas doctor, not to be outdone, says ‘You guys are way behind, we recently took a man with no brains out of Texas , put him in the White House for eight years, and now half the country is looking for work.’

  • Zeke

    I’ve seen that exact stance more at the end of a crap table than anywhere else. Maybe that’s why it looked so familiar.
    If you think of Reid’s hands as holding loaded dice and he’s just put all OUR chips on the table, the photo then makes sense.

  • Zeke

    The Chicago doctor laughed out loud, “Peasants,” he said, “We just removed the entire soul from a man and put him in the White House and in Two Weeks, half the people who put him there wished they were dead.”

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    OMG! Hillarious if it weren’t so close to the truth.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Yep. Right after the election, I told the AA’s down at the P. O., there’d be plenty of time for “I told you so, later”. Overheard by one of the little old ladies in line (former hippy) I got a loud harrrrump and almost booed. Hope I run into her again. Who knows if the others will have a job before this is over…yep, plenty of time.

  • Marley

    Lauer: Yeah, well — let — let me show you. This is the — the current issue of — of Us Weekly.

    Obama: Right.

    Lauer: And here’s a great picture

    Obama: Oh, it’s beautiful.

    Lauer: — of — of you and — and Michelle and — and your daughters. Now, the — the reason I bring this up I think is funny. It’s a great picture.

    Obama: Yeah.

    Lauer: But I wanna show you the cover. Look what they did. They — they took you off the cover.

    Obama: Yeah.

    Lauer: They took you out of it.

    Obama: It — it’s — it’s a little hurtful.

    Lauer: You got replaced by Jessica Simpson.

    Obama: Yeah, who’s losing a weight battle apparently. (LAUGHTER) Yeah. Oh, well.

  • CG

    Remember when Obama said he would talk to leaders of Cuba, Iran, North Korea without preconditions at the you tube primary debate…

    I wonder if he still plans to talk to Castro…

    Fidel Castro attacks Obama’s economic plans President Barack Obama intends to print “enormous sums of money” to keep American society from grinding to a halt, Fidel Castro said in his second critical essay of the U.S. leader, released Wednesday http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29026877/

  • Winston

    Looks to me like he is sniffing his fingers and is captivated by the aroma. Go back and look. He was last seen talking to Larry Craig in the next stall.

  • Winston

    That post was a Hairy Read.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    he said, “who’s IN a weight battle apparently”
    because he was reading the headline, written above Jessica that said *WEIGHT BATTLE*

    the transcript was posted incorrectly. if you watch the video, he says IN as plain as day.

    it was a stupid interview, but he didn’t say she was losing the weight battle.

  • beebop

    Oh SNAP!

  • JustMe

    I found this national debt doubled wrapped in a pink bowwhen I got into office?

    Did he not watch or listen to advisors when he was on the stump?

    That’s right once he was elected the skies were going to open and everything would be fine.
    The light would come down and we would here them chanting Obama Obama!
    Wonder how that lady feels now who said he was going to pay her house payment? Wonder if she has a job to pay it herself? and I guess walking to the store is better too….
    Worrying times and we are not through the first month yet.
    The best is yet to come at a guess?

  • JustMe

    ‘hear”

  • Judy L. NC

    Unrelated topic….heard an NPR report this a.m. during drive time about a new (?) nonprofit investigative news organization called ProPublica. I just signed up for their free daily emails. Anyone here have an opinion on them? Sounds a little better than any of the other MSM—but certainly in no way better than our writers here at NQ. heh

  • Tuppence411

    Does anyone know of a source that has a line by line accounting of all the 900+ billion dollar stimulus package? Does anyone- even the friggin’ Senators voting on it- know exactly where the money is going? I have tried to piece this together myself from various reports and only get to 400 or 500 B.

    WTF- one would think, if there was an item by item listing, debate could be focused on stimulus spending and stimulus tax cuts, dumping pork and those things that won’t work or should rightly be in the normal budget process. But oh no Washington can’t do it that way. That may lead to agreement and a solution that actually works!

  • Judy L. NC

    JEEBUS! Endowed by the Sandlers of Golden West Financial. Weren’t they in the middle of a freakin’ criminal flow chart surrounding certain Chicago politicians?

  • Judy L. NC

    I’ll second that. This rush, rush, rush is the same bum’s rush Bush used to trick congress into letting him go to war. Remember how senators were admitting they hadn’t read the bill? Same damn thing.

  • Sassy

    I saw bits and pieces of the debate? yesterday.
    Senator Graham lit up the room for a time, in spite of interruptions from Boxer and Durbin!
    This bill reeks to high heaven, but it will pass, by hook or crook!
    I am so through with the Democratic Party!
    Not one of them will ever garner my attention again, and any Republican who goes along is fair game for their constituents!

  • Tess

    Pro Publica – go for it. It feels like news used to be; it’s just news, definitely not MSM.

  • Tess

    Taking advantage of an Open Thread here, with some snark: I saw a picture of Amy Klobuchar at the blahblah dinner in DC. This rising senate star is on my ___ list for endorsing the O almost before Michelle did. Anyway, if you see the photo, check the outfit. If Michelle wore that – well, it’s worse than Michelle’s upholstery ouitfit.

  • Mary

    ROFLMAO! Can I use that phrase? :)

  • tango

    I thought you all might appreciate Barney Franks latest great idea that maybe the government should get around to capping executive pay for all US businesses someday.

    Congress will consider legislation to extend some of the curbs on executive pay that now apply only to those banks receiving federal assistance, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said.
    “There’s deeply rooted anger on the part of the average American,” the Massachusetts Democrat said at a Washington news conference today.
    He said the compensation restrictions would apply to all financial institutions and might be extended to include all U.S. companies.</strong>

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/06/barney-frank-hey-lets-cap-executive-compensation-for-everyone/

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