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Breaking: Voinovich Drops Bi-Partisan Effort, Stimulus Bill Now in Jeopardy [Updates + Webb Video]

That’s all I’ve heard so far on CNN: That Sen. George Voinivich, a respected senior Republican leader, bowed out of the bi-partisan committee, saying, “I can’t do this anymore.” Yikes.

I’ll search to find more stories. Please share what you know. Harry Reid had better pray they can even get a vote going sometime next week!

UPDATE: “Maine Senator Susan Collins, who has been the lead Republican negotiator, was less optimistic. “We don’t have a deal,” she barked at press this morning. “We’re still working on it. I can’t talk right now.” Time‘s section tracking the package’s passage.

UPDATES via TV News: Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La) says this bill needs “surgery.” Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va) says, “Way too much spending in this bill.” (So plenty of moderate Democrats are not happy with this bill.) Don’t miss THIS VIDEO from Thursday’s “Morning Joe” with Sen. Webb (text version):


I’m going to do something that’s verboten, but I don’t care. This NPR story is too important to slice and dice. Just thank NPR for doing this kind of reporting when they have their pledge drive. You sure won’t see this writing in the New York Times, will you:

From NPR (!), a very troubling story on the complete LACK of oversight on how ANY of this money will be sent. NPR quotes Rep. David Obey: “House Appropriations Chairman on Stimulus Waste: ‘So What’… ”

When congressional leaders began to assemble the mammoth economic stimulus bill, top Democrats and the Obama administration decided that there would be no earmarks: no “special projects,” no pork-barrel spending. In so doing, they gave up some control over how the money is spent, leaving the decision to public servants around the country.

“Someone has to decide how money gets spent. It’s either going to be Congress or the executive branch or states or municipalities,” says Fred Wertheimer of the congressional watchdog group Democracy 21.

Lawmakers had good reasons for stripping earmarks from the bill, Wertheimer says, because “they are simply going to become huge targets for attacking the credibility of the package, and they may very well end up as abusive earmarks.”

It was a wise political decision, he says. But pulling earmarks out of the bill changes the balance of power in the government. If members of Congress aren’t writing into the bill how the money will be spent, then someone else must make those decisions — or, in this case, a lot of people.

“Because there is so much money here, and in so many different forms, there is no single pathway for the money to go out to states and localities,” says Sarah Binder of the Brookings Institution.

‘This Is An Emergency’

When this bill passes, a Niagara Falls of money will flow out of Washington and into the accounts of state highway commissioners, governors and legislatures, local school boards, county executives — even mayors, Binder says.

“It raises a whole host of questions about how efficiently money can be spent, how effectively it will be spent, how quickly money can be spent, just because there’s no set process here for determining how money will get out the door to create jobs or, as the president said, to save jobs,” she says.

U.S. Rep. David Obey (D-WI), the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, helped write the bill and says he doesn’t like being asked about earmarks.

“We simply made a decision, which took about three seconds, not to have earmarks in the bill,” he says. “And with all due respect, that’s the least important question facing us on putting together this package.”

Leaving out the earmarks does mean Congress will have less control over how the money is spent. But, Obey says, “So what? This is an emergency. We’ve got to simply find a way to get this done as fast as possible and as well as possible, and that’s what we’re doing.”

That doesn’t mean Congress will be responsible if the money is spent badly, he says.

“The person who spends the money badly will be responsible. We are simply trying to build as many protections in as possible,” Obey says. “We have more oversight built into this package than any package in the history of man. If money is spent badly, we want to know about it so we can hold accountable the people who made that choice. And guess what? Regardless of what we do, there will be some stupid decisions made.”

How To Avoid Disappointment?

As it stands now, says David Walker, a former U.S. comptroller general, the bill appears to have no mechanism for directing spending. It’s left up to those state and local officials, who may or may not have the ideas or the means to spend it appropriately. And that will lead to “a series of disappointments that it’s too late to do anything about,” Walker says.

The bill does make it possible for lawmakers and the public to track the money — but only after it’s spent. And that, he says, will lead to bad surprises.

Take, for example, the giant bank bailout known as TARP. That spending has gone all wrong, Walker says. Though the inspector general and the Government Accountability Office are keeping track of the billions spent there, “they’re basically reporting on what didn’t happen,” he says.

“Well, it’s a little bit late,” he says. “And so the question is, what are you going to do on a prospective basis? I mean, you can’t change history. What are you going to do on a prospective basis to minimize the possibility of being disappointed again?”

  • beebop

    I pray that this is so. George has a lot of guts if this is true. Or. He may be angling for help with the HUD houses that are blighting his old neighborhood in Slavic Village in Cleveland. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE has a price.

    • Dawnelle

      pardon my french

      but

      WHAT A CLUSTER FK!!!!!! GAWDDDDDDDDd!

      they ALLLLLL need to be held accountable!

      this must NOT be about revenge spending or SPITE or childish chicago thuggery

      EVERY SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED WILL BE SCRUTINIZED

      COUNT ON IT!!

      call us Eagle I’s (hawk eyes, owl eyes, watching eyes)

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    The article from NPR on the importance of earmarks is fascinating and, now that i think about it, very important. I live in an area dependent on earmarks — we get them from both senators Murray and Cantwell as well as our House representative. We’re getting four bridges rebuilt — and they badly needed it. We’re getting a new downtown transit system that is very attractive, and far more inviting looking to tourists. We regularly get help with technical school buildings, community college improvements, highway improvements, and much more. We could NOT survive without this federal money.

    But our senators and representative work WITH local leaders to decide how BEST to spend the money. The money just isn’t dumped in the laps of the county commissioners or the mayors. That sounds a bit crazy to me.

    So I’ve never been against earmarks per se. In fact, we have such a wise and able representative — who really KNOWS this area and its needs — that I’m perfectly happy with letting him confer with local leaders and use that new money where it’s best suited. But HE should have a role in the spending. This is very strange.

    • beebop

      Susan … did you notice that they interviewed Linda Wertheimer’s husband rather than say, someone whose opinions they don’t already know?

      Also, did you read the comments? NPR must be in tears. All of that criticism. They are pulling comments fast and furious. Poor darlings.

    • Dawnelle

      I wonder if you being in a blue state would HELP?

      I understand that old coot in Alaska got a LOT of help during W’s 2 terms and only got told the “jig is up” now that W is gone.

      Red state help? I wonder?

    • Zeke

      Susan,
      Spoken like a true Seattlite!
      How did a 4 Billion dollar rip-off which will make Boston’s Big Dig look like choir practice slip your mind?
      Folks,
      Seattle is getting the absolutely most expensive and least voted for Tunnel to replace a viaduct that you can imagine.
      In tight financial times, this state has decided to spend over a billion dollars more than alternative plans so they can be neater than other cities. It is the least favored statewide and most expensive plan out of three.
      The good thing is that Washington State will have plenty of apples to stuff in the mouths of all that Pork!

  • http://BREAKINGNEWS!! Oisafraud

    KILL THE BILL. That whole bill is an Abomination, I mean Obomination. It MUST die. Kill the Bill. KILL THE BILL> KILL THE BILL >>>> KILL THE BILL>>>>>>>

    • Dawnelle

      Quentin? Uma? is that you?

      lol

      • frostback

        good one

        lol

  • Katmoon

    4:32 p.m., Feb. 6: It’s very tough to get a read on when and whether the Senate might vote on the economic stimulus package, because much of the negotiating is going on behind closed doors with staff kicked out.
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s lead counsel tells FOX News they won’t finish tonight.
    But that’s not in stone. Majority Leader Harry Reid’s staff is trying to negotiate with McConnell — and there’s a slim chance they’ll wrap up everything in the wee hours.
    Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., just said even if Democrats do reach an agreement tonight, he thinks Republicans will want more time.
    A big meeting just started in Reid’s office. Moderate Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, have gone inside as they try to negotiate a compromise. There’s word White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is now inside.
    Reid is desperately seeking at least two Republicans — and now there is also word that Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy, Mass., is going to have to return for the vote.

    Source:;www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/06/stimulus-update/

  • Katmoon

    UPDATE: Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad tells reporters that a bipartisan group of Senators has come up with “a tentative proposal that will be presented to Senate Democrats at a 5:30 p.m. caucus meeting. Their draft cuts about $100 billion in spending from the bill.

    * * * * *
    UPDATE II (5:49): The meeting is underway and the Democrats have been joined by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) entered the meeting with Joe Lieberman, who was asked if a top concern for Democrats was that the cuts may be too great.

    “Oh yeah. That’s what we’ve argued all along. It has to be substantial,” said Lieberman. Nelson stopped to talk to a scrum of reporters, but Lieberman urged him along.

    “Let’s go. We’ve got to get in there and get it done,” said Lieberman.

    * * * * *
    Sens. Ben Nelson and Susan Collins just wrapped up a meeting with Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Senate Democratic leadership meant to hammer out details of a compromise stimulus package.

    Asked how she was feeling as she left the meeting with Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.), Collins responded, “Not as good as I felt earlier.”

    Told of Collins’ comment, Nelson said that the negotiations are “not slipping” and that Collins may have been referring to fatigue. “You have to worry about fatigue. Sometimes fatigue interferes more than terms,” he said. “After about the third or the fourth time going over this, you start to wonder if you are making progress or is it even possible? But having done this sort of thing in a prior life” — Nelson was governor of Nebraska — “I think you just have to keep moving forward and continuing to talk and see if you can narrow the gap.”

    He added: “The gap is on the other side.”

    Source: the H place

    • beebop

      … and not a president in sight.

  • http://! stodgie

    raw story is claiming a tenative deal has been reached, however they are biased.

  • Frank

    “Way too much spending in this bill.”

    Jeesh, that’s the point! What does Webb think they’ve been arguing over? It’s a spending bill to stimulate the economy! Unbelievable. These people need a remedial course in economics. Or maybe have a group of economists go and explain it to congress.

  • Annie Oakley

    Starting up a new government bureaucracy isn’t stimulative. It’s a mistake. Items like the new czar of healthcare records should be fully debated and the public informed of its details before it is legislated.

    The object is not just to spend a trillion dollars. It makes a difference how it is spent as to what the short term and long term effects are on the economy.