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Larry Doyle’s Dollars and Sense “Central Station”

monte-carlo_train_station-fWe will have our regularly scheduled 9:00 a.m. Saturday departure from Central Station.

The tracks remain steeply sloped with many curves along the way. With all eyes and ears and hearts focused on the wide range of developments in the economy, the markets, and the world of global finance we have added a few extra cars for the ride. Come early to make sure you get a good seat.

For newer riders, this is a Q/A forum/discussion on all financial issues. As we move along, we welcome any and all questions, comments, observations, and critiques of any and all economic issues from both a macro and micro level. We especially would welcome perspectives from overseas “travelers” as we are truly all in this ride together.

Don’t be bashful, grab a coffee, settle down, you’re amongst friends here. So much to talk about!! Stimulus bill, “bad bank”, interest rates, mortgage markets, municipal finance, employment report, global trade…….!!!!

For our newer riders, your conductor is not a professional financial planner but merely a Wall St. veteran who welcomes the opportunity to share his views and instincts on the economy, the markets, and world of global finance. All you will get are honest opinions and thoughtful advice.

While people are boarding, your conductor wants to take this opportunity to highlight our guest for tomorrow evening’s special guest on LD’s Dollars and Sense radio show on No Quarter radio.

*** LD’s Dollars and Sense is pleased to have Steve Rehm join us this Sunday eveningat 8 p.m. ET for an inside view of the world of banking, regulators, and Wall Street from a “bank doctor” without peer in global finance today!!

Steve is not only a dear friend but simply the best in his field of expertise. Steve has “operated” in this realm for over the last thirty years.

-4 years at Freddie Mac working on the growth of the secondary mortgage market…

-22 years at Citi/Salomon Brothers, the preeminent mortgage shop on Wall Street. Worked with some of the legends of “the game” and across a wide range of client initiatives including asset-liability management, debt structurings, M&A transactions, and equity issuance. Heavily involved with assessing and interacting on a number of legislative, regulatory, and accounting issues.

-6 years between JP Morgan Chase, Royal Bank of Scotland, and Barclays growing and developing the initiatives at these firms and teaching them the intricacies and nuances of financial “surgery” within and throughout a community challenged by a variety of illneses and plagues!!

Steve Rehm has more personal relationships and overall experience in these “operating rooms” than anybody in global finance today. DON”T MISS the chance to get the review of “the internals” from “the doctor”, Steve Rehm!! We are thrilled to have him join us at LD’s Dollars and Sense on No Quarter Radio!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaall Aboard!!!

  • LD

    As riders are boarding, we certianly have a number of potential topics. Let me propose:

    1. why did the stock markets rally this week?

    2. what is going on in different sectors of the bond market? why?

    3. did you see the performance of some insurance stocks this week? what is going on there?

    4. let’s take a ride down to Washington. What do you think about the stimulus package?

    5. Treasury Secretary Geithner is expected to speak on Monday about components of a recovery plan for our financial system. Will it work? What are the “unintended consequences?”

    6. How about foreign developments? Signs of increased protectionism?

    7. What country has the best performing stock market year to date? Why?

    8. What are you seeing in your local communities? Please share with us stories of success and how they happened?

    9. Please share with us cost savings techniques that you have found.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaall Aboard!!

    • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

      how do you find the show? isn’t is on now? I can’t find it!

      • LD

        Sara…this is an online Q/A forum from 9-12. The radio show is Sunday night from 8-9pm EST on No Quarter Radio.

        • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

          oh. i’m a dork.

  • sister

    Larry, can you make some suggestions of where you think a young person just starting out should be investing their savings? The 401K is being fully funded. After that where should a young person, 22 years old, just out of college, first job, be putting their savings. Of course, hopefully sometime within the next five years or so, I would hope a purchase of a home would be in the picture, so I suuppose that is what the savings will go towards.
    Thanks Larry! You are doing a great job!!

    • LD

      Sister,

      Any young person has TIME on their side and thus wants to MAXIMIZE savings and MINIMIZE debt.

      In regard to where you may look to allocate your savings, I would recommend index funds that mirror the market as a whole.

      An index fund has very low expenses, typically only .1 to .2%.

      The larger family of funds such as Vanguard, Fidelity, American Funds have a wide array of funds.

      I would recommend funds such as

      Total Stock Market
      Total Bond Market

      These funds give you exposure to the entire market across all sectors. I would recommend regular contributions as opposed to a one time allocation. The key principle there is the fact that you will develop the discipline of very regular savings vs looking at the performance and comparing it to when you invested.

      Best of luck!!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    I have a question. How does lowering taxes help, as mentioned in the stimulus package. I can see the benefit of immediate relief, but does it hurt in the long run?

    And, if Obama proposes tax cuts, is he shooting himself in the foot down the road? How does he intend to pay for all his goodies, and have tax cuts?

    If you cut taxes, don’t you also have to cut projects?

    • LD

      Sara…Great question and it gets to the crux of the debate that has been the center of our politics and economics for a long time.

      The key principle in this stimulus bill and in any fiscal policy is how does it effect the “multiplier.” What is a multiplier? Very simply what happens to a dollar once it is injected into the economy. How often will that dollar be used to generate further dollars by increased spending and investment.

      The key that I always look towards is not the actual tax rate but the total tax revenues collected.

      Politics enter the equation when people focus on who is paying what vs what they are earning. We won’t solve that problem here.

      In regard to cutting projects. Ultimately the bills must be paid and the interest on the deficit must be funded. The risks of increasingly greater deficits is that they drive interest rates up and thus erode future growth potential in the economy.

      Hope that helps.

  • sunup

    Morning LD.The stock market seems to me to be news driven. More money for banks, every new headline on the stimulus.Also the horrible unemployment figures were expected,at least to anyone who lives in the real world. Earnings overall are awful,one co., such as Visa last week announced good earnings and the stock up $5 approx. Traders.

    • LD

      Sunup…

      Good point. Tough to invest or trade a market that is so driven by news from Washington versus economic performance of a company or an industry.

      One piece of news that did not get much attention but definitely impacted the market on Thursday and friday was the proposal to suspend the “mark to market” rule.

      It did not get much press this week but I think we may hear about it tomorrow but I believe Obama’s adminsitration may look for FASB (Federal Accounting Standards Board) to suspend the rule mandating banks to “mark to market” all securities and investments. The relaxation of that rule indicates to me that certain investments have greater losses than banks want to or can possibly recognize. In deference to the system the markets for these investments have totally dried up. All said, though, I think the suspension of mark to market is an indication that the government is looking to buy TIME for the economy to heal. A prolonging of a depressed economy is what occurred in Japan in the 90s.

  • Sassy

    For your consumption LD:
    The National Retail Federation is “extremely concerned that it does not do enough to immediately stimulate consumer spending or to preserve the tens of millions of jobs that consumer spending supports”, Steve Pfister, the group’s senior vice president, said in a statement Thursday.
    This was part of the group’s letter to all Senators.

    • LD

      Sassy…thanks for sharing. There are many parts of the proposed Stimulus Bill that would seem to do less for stimulus than for subsidizing businesses and supporters that backed the Democratic Party. Regrettably that’s politics!!

    • I’m a Linda too

      this is nothing but a Bribery and Kickback bill and most intelligent folks, the ones being honest, know it isn’t going to do squat. Heck, you just had Joe Biden admit repercussions in 2010 elections. If they felt it was going to stimulate the economy, they wouldn’t be worrying about next years fall elections.

      The only ones saying this will help, are the Pigs at the top getting their piece. Same ol Same ol.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        you just had Joe Biden admit repercussions in 2010 elections

        I for one am hoping for a Republican take over of the house and senate to keep this little squirt in line…and an end to Pelosi and Reid.

        • AlexisM

          I don’t think we have to worry about that. The backlash has already started. The Dems are going to get a serious smackdown in 10 and 12.

          • http://firefox AnnieCollier

            From your lips and fingers to God’s eyes and ears.

  • sunup

    The Celtic Tiger is no more. Taoiseach Brian Cowen warned people to expect the standard of living to drop 10-12% over next few years. Co’s such as Dell. IBM,Ericsson, and many more are cutting back on operations in Ireland and moving to China and Eastern Europe where labor is cheaper. This is a new experience for a lot of the younger highly educated ad well paid workers.

  • LD

    What a shame. Ireland had truly changed its country by lowering taxes to attract businesses and grow job opportunities. In the process it broke the cycle of “losing its youth” primarily to America.

    Regrettably in growing their economy they like so many others took on excessive debt instead of prudent fiscal discipline.

    This is a nice segue into my highlighting a country with an outstanding year to date performance…..

    Chile…up 12.5%….fiscal discipline pays off for this country.

    • I’m a Linda too

      As we increase imports from Chile and cut our own availability of locall grown. ie Blueberries FROM CHILE???

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        Makes it more important to support our local farmer’s markets.

  • I’m a Linda too

    HEADLINE:
    Biden promises ‘new tone’ in foreign affairs
    YES, we know that, we have Hillary there.
    …it’s our domestic policy and tone that’s in the sh!tter.

    • LD

      I think a major challenge for Secretary of State Clinton is going to be dealing with the likelihood of increasing protectionism around the world.

      You can see this developing quickly almost everywhere you turn. The economic impact is an increase in the prices of goods…..which means inflation.

      Many governments probably would not mind SOME inflation as it is beneficial when one is in debt. (the ability to pay down debt in currency that is cheaper in the future). The issue becomes once the inflation genie is out of the bottle can you get him back in.

      The economic mixed with the political and military present real challenges for Secreatry Clinton. Hopefully VP Biden will give her plenty of room to operate.

      • I’m a Linda too

        Yes, we saw that very quickly with the “us made steel”, etc.

  • oowawa

    LD, I am very interested in what might be the answer to your first question above, “Why did the stock markets rally this week?” You mention the suspension of the “mark to market” rule, and this is kind of esoteric to me, but seems like a plausible factor. But it seems to me that other factors that don’t make so much sense are working here, such as the “hopium” factor, which means that lots of investors are banking on their Obama-driven hopes that the stimulus package will pass and have the hoped-for impact.

    Anyway, I am not an active market participant, but I watch the way the market moves and am very often surprised by the sudden substantial reversals in a short period of time. I have two questions, which I am really wondering about, and though they may be stupid, I would like to hear someone’s opinion:

    1–Are there factions out there that inject huge amounts of money suddenly into the market for political reasons? When things start to look really bad politically, are there those who can and will move the market to make the situation look politically better than it really is?

    2–Are sudden jumps (or drops) in the market triggered by technical tripping points engendered by trading theories or trading software? (For example, a certain number in a certain indicator triggers a buy signal).

    It’s an enigma to me, and an indication on either of these points would be helpful.

    • LD

      Oowawa…

      Remember, there are NO bad or stupid questions here. Based on my experience I would offer the following points:

      1. the market also rallied because word leaked that Obama’s administration was moving away from a large “bad bank” concept which would have forced certain banks to recognize losses more immediately…I actually was a proponent of this concept so that the “arteries” could be cleaned sooner and more thoroughly…In any event,the market rallied because the stockholders in certain of these banks, specifically Bank of America, would have been hurt. As Bank of America rallied it led other banks as well. This performance did not permeate the insurance industry, though.

      2. In regard to market moving developments for political purposes. There are times when foreign central banks will enter markets, primarily currency markets, to stabilize a currency or even to keep it from appreciating too much in value. There have been some “conspiracy theorists” that have promoted that the Fed has entered into our equity (stock) markets at time to stabilize the market. That theory is not universally accepted.
      We do know that the Fed and Treasury are WIDELY involved across a wide array of sectors of the market, primarily in the short term lending sectors, to provide stability. The challenge for the market is “once the government is in, how do you get them out?”
      Other conspiracy theories run through the markets at time but are kept low. that is not to say that they may not have occurred but they are not generally accepted.

      One point off topic a little is the fact that Al Qaeda had shorted the equity markets in SIZE, especially airlines and insurance companies, shortly before 9/11.

      3. In regard to wildly volatile moves caused by “technical” indicators. This definitely happens and is typically a function of a style of trading known as “quantitative trading” which is very much computer driven (black box). These styles are based on a lot of regression analysis of securities prices and once a security hits a certain level the “black box” says execute.

      We also see increased volatility on days when options expire (an option is a security that allows the holder the right but not the obligation to buy or sell a security at a preset price). On option expiration date a lot of trading often occurs which drives the security to that preset price.

      GREAT questions!! Hope this color helps.

      Thanks for “riding”.

      • oowawa

        LD, Your answers were VERY helpful (I’m printing them out). I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. Thank you.

  • Tuppence411

    I have more of a “Suze Orman” type question for you LD. ( You’ll also be weighing in on a debate going on between me and my husband) Why do you think, is now a good time to be spending money? We have planned and saved for some home improvement projects (new roof, moderate kitchen remodel. Prices are low and labor is abundant, but of course the future economy is uncertain. My income is stable, but my husband’s small business (service-based) is not recession proof. Hang on to the money just in case or spend while prices are a bargain?

    • LD

      Tuppence,

      I think the critical question for you or anybody else is “if you have the money set aside and if spent on these improvements” do you feel comfortable that you can continue your lifestyle without undue or unnecessary stress. Run a “stress test of sorts”, meaning if joint income drops a certain percentage would you still feel comfortable having spent this money.

      I will bet that you could probably get some GREAT deals as far as labor,supplies, etc…Do not be bashful about negotiating very hard. Perhaps the increased savings that you would not have thought possible might make the timing too good to pass up.

      Hope this helps.

  • Lizzy

    Hi LD,
    I’m looking forward to some of your good discussion this morning. The major news has seemed to be the opposition that is developing to the stimulous bill. It seems too big to me and not focused enough on job creation and stimulous. It is hung with every program that a liberal would love. What is your analysis of it.
    The market seems to be trading in about the same range; what should we be looking for there?

    • LD

      Lizzy,

      Good morning!! The senate did pass the bill as proposed last evening and now it will go back to be worked on by both houses. You are not the only one that feels the bill is not nearly stimulative enough (many economists have made that point). When BO talked about the need to rebuild America’s infrastructure, why aren’t more dollars allocated to that part of this bill.

      Regrettably Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi seem to be the main architects and as RE stated, “you never let a good crisis go by without getting something out of it.” Is that the best that our country has to offer at this time? Ultimately when we REALLY need leaders and statesmen, we get politicians. In a manner of speaking it is similar to the “prisoner’s dilemma” in the world of global trade. I mean that each representative ends up “grabbing the dough ” for their local needs as opposed to truly thinking what is in the nation’s interest.

      In regard to the markets, I believe the real focus needs to be on interest rates across all sectors. I do not think that the stock markets are getting away from us, certainly not on the upside. Bonds, especially in the government and mortgage sectors have continued to selloff. The U.S. government has a HUGE auction next week (67bln). Let’s see if our “friends” from overseas show up to buy. IMO this is the BIGGEST factor that will indicate where our markets as a whole are headed.

      Great to have you on board!!

  • http://dakiniland.wordpress.com Dakinikat

    I’m voting that the rally this week was possibly a dead cat bounce. There may have been some momentum coming off the prospect of a stimulus package though. Especially one that’s so laden with tax breaks for big companies and the rich.

    I don’t think that the protectionist measures will go very for. The entire Obama economics team are rabid free market guys and there’s incredible pressure abroad for the US to provide stimulus to the emerging markets and developing countries. The Eurozone doesn’t want to do it on its own. And also that would have interesting implications for the supremacy of the dollar.

    What I’m really interested in is what other sovereign wealth fund countries will do. Will they start dumping their dollar holdings? Will the step up to buy the huge amount of treasuries that will the US will have to float shortly?

    • LD

      Dakinikat…
      I agree with your assessment of the equity markets. Although we have been somewhat range bound for the last few months, IMO there is too much emphasis and expectation that the stimulus package will “make this all feel better.” I am not that optimistic. I would still be in the camp of sell rallies in stocks.

      In regard to the propsepcts for increased protectionism that is running around the world, BO’s team did not get off to a good start with the “Chinese currency manipulation” and “buy American.” We are seeing social and political pressures applied by worker unions in other countries. France had some significant worker protests this week. Other countries are experiencing the same thing.

      The key is China. Let’s see if they participate in our U.S. government bond auctions this week. We’ll be watching!!

  • sunup

    Here in California our Governor and Legislature have spent money as if it were going out of style.They have’nt been able to agree on anything for years. We are 40B plus in the hole.If the stimulus is passed any money to Ca will likely go to reduce that figure. Are there any safeguards in the bill to avoid this? Will the states be required to use the money to create jobs?
    Will it be like TARP.Just disappear?

    • LD

      Sunup….is it any suprise that virtually every governor in the country has come out in support of Obama’s stimulus plan. WHY?? The states need federal money. I would bet that the initial federal money for states is to address unemployment benefits. I read this morning that South Carolina’s unemployment benefits fund is BROKE. It had $600 million dollars earlier this decade.

      It truly is pathetic how pols at both the state and federal levels manage money.

  • http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090206/pl_nm/us_obama_economy;_ylt=AqZHq1E1ub6LPrJUpLzudf134T0D trixta

    Hi Larry,

    My first question is somewhat related to the following question posed by oowawa:

    “Are there factions out there that inject huge amounts of money suddenly into the market for political reasons? When things start to look really bad politically, are there those who can and will move the market to make the situation look politically better than it really is?” (oowawa)

    1. Do you think the markets were manipulated to make them look worse last October, thereby tilting the general election toward Obama?

    2. What do you think of Volker as Head of Obama’s Economic recovery Advisory team? As you know, Volker was Head of the Federal Reserve Bank under Jimmy Carter (who gave us astronomical interest rates) and Ronald Reagan (who gave us astronomical deficits & cruel trickle-down economics).

    • LD

      Trixta….sorry but somehow your question got caught in the filter.

      I am not a conspiracy theorist in general. I have no first hand experience nor any evidence but based purely on instinct I often wonder as to the intentions and motivations of Georeg Soros. He has left nothing to imagination as to where his political preferences lie. He is HEAVILY involved in MoveOn.org, and he is one of the world’s largest financiers. He made an enormously profitable bet on the decline in value of the British pound in the 90s. He is the one individual I wonder about when it comes to moving markets for political purposes.

      That said, the election truly turned on the failure of Lehman Brothers. Plenty of people believe that Lehman should have been saved. I believe that while Lehman’s failure accelarated the decline of our economy it still would have happened.

    • LD

      Volcker actually gets a lot of the credit for wringing inflation out of the economy. That inflation was generated from a host of Carter’s policies. To wring it out though Volcker during the first few years of Reagan’s administration and as head of the Fed raised short term interest rates to 20% !!!!

    • Larry Doyle

      Trixta…

      I do not think that our markets were manipulated last October. When Lehman failed in September the polls turned and Obama never looked back.

      That said, I should have responded to oowawa that one one individual whom I wonder about moving markets for political purposes is George Soros. He has the wherewithal and the motivation. I have no indication or evidence but….I wonder!!

  • Larry Doyle

    While we pull back into “the station”, we thank you for riding with us.

    I will check later to see if anybody dozed off and left any questions!!

    • Interested party

      Some of your west coast riders are left waiting at the station.

      Guess I’ll have to remember to post earlier on Saturday.

      By the way, I’m suspicious of dropping “mark to market” standard for assets. It seems to be setting the stage for evasive maneuvering per fiscal surprise package to be dropped on Monday.

      • LD

        I always try to take a swing through the car to see if anybody jumped on board later so will try not to forget our friends on the left coast…(lol)

        I think the suspenison of the mark to market is the equivalent of the drip, drip, drip, drip of losses for a LONG time…It could be equated to “managing earnings reports” as opposed to merely reporting them.

  • Cubs in 09

    For what it’s worth…

    ‘IMF Says Advanced Economies Already in Depression’

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a6aaWZ8ab8yU&refer=asia

    STOP OVER-SPENDING!!! (Hint: It’s a DEBT CRISIS…)

    Have a nice weekend! :mrgreen:

    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

      Hello Cubie!
      I read the article..Scary and a self fulfilling prophesy.

      STOP OVER-SPENDING!!! (Hint: It’s a DEBT CRISIS…)

      The problem now is that since Pelosi mentioned the Great Depression back in October nobody is spending which has caused a deflationary spiral.

      I have finally found a way to sell in this crisis..
      The past two days have been the biggest sales days for my company in history..Doesn’t make up for the past four months of being nearly dead in the water but has rescued my workers from layoffs for the immediate short term.
      So how did I get people to buy in a frenzied stampede state of mind.
      These people needed to buy anyway but were sitting on the deflationary fence waiting scared and not willing to spend.
      I called each one personally and said
      “This is the trough..The darkest moment before the dawn…When fear and uncertainty grips the nation…When resin prices are at there lowest, demand has dried up and we need to keep employees on the line for the sake of their families.
      The moment has come..
      The very best time to buy!!
      Because the stimulus package will be signed dollars will be printed,confidence will emerge and hyper inflation will be the next step in this process.”
      Saying these words to my customers finally got them to buy!….All of them!

      • LD

        Seattle….Thanks for sharing!! Very interesting perspective on your interaction with your customers.

      • Cubs in 09

        Hello, Seattle!

        Shortly after I posted, I had to go run some errands. I didn’t want you to think I ignored you! :wink:

        …rescued my workers from layoffs for the immediate short term.

        Good for you! Vis vobiscum! (SP?)

        [May the Force be with you!]


        18 DAYS ‘TIL THE CUBS FIRST SPRING TRAINING GAME!
        :mrgreen:

        • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

          Cubs…I’m really happy that you are looking forward to this season..I hope the cubs go all the way unless Seattle starts rocking.Who Knows!

          Personally I’m looking forward to another event

          The Patriotic Backlash Revolution of 2012

          See you there!

          • Cubs in 09

            The Patriotic Backlash Revolution of 2012

            You betcha! :wink:

            • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

              You’re little smiley winked at me the same as Sarah does!

              • Cubs in 09

                I love Sarah Palin. Tough but feminine.

                I’ve thought of her as a Secretary of Energy.

                • Cubs in 09

                  I’ve wondered how Mitt Romney would be dealing with this economy—either as Prez or as Secretary of the Treasury.

  • LD

    Cubs….it is worth a lot. Thanks for sharing!!

  • Linda C.

    I thought I would post this link here also. The debt crisis that cause the Panic of 1873. It was bad and it looks the same now.

    http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=477k3d8mh2wmtpc4b6h07p4hy9z83x18

    • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

      Linda,
      Wow!!
      You have taught me something new today. I knew of the collapse’s of those years but had no idea the parallel’s of 1873 and today.
      I wonder how the panic of 1893 would compare.
      Think I will check

  • Lizzy

    I had planned to check later comments but my computer decided to go on strike. Very good information as usual. I was curious about the international business situation but I hadn’t seen much about it in the news. Your comment gave me some insight. It was interesting to read about the panic of 1873. There were also panics in 1857, related to shakey financing of the railroads. That one ended when the production demands began from the Civil War. The panic of 1837 lasted for ten years and started with a real estate bubble and credit constriction.

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