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Why Social Security Matters To ALL of Us

(bumped up from early Sunday night)

Editor’s Note: Yes! This essay is written by “bert,” who you all know from her regular comments here. She submitted this superb article for publication, and we are so pleased to share this fine writing and excellent research with you. Below, you’ll see that “bert” also found a shocking historic photograph and a video of Franklin Roosevelt signing the bill into law. Thank you, bert!

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This post is a follow-up to Susan’s excellent post last Friday regarding Social Security remaining this country’s core safety net, for that is truly what it is.  

During the Bush administration there was a move afoot to privatize Social Security. There are rumors and signals from the Obama administration that politicians will again try to “save” Social Security by privatizing it. 

It is amazing that while most, if not all of us, pay into the system and will some day be eligible to receive benefits, most of us know very little about how the program came about and how it operates. There is a lot of misinformation out there and many people labor under some pretty big myths about the program. 

When I was a child I loved Friday nights. Since it was not a school night I could stay up late and watch one of my favorite TV shows, Dragnet, a classic police drama. The lead character, Sergeant Joe Friday, was played by actor Jack Webb as a serious, no-nonsense, slightly droll officer. When interviewing victims or witnesses all he wanted was “the facts,” no emotional fluff for this detective. 

In fact, the phrase, “Just the facts, ma’am,” became his trademark line. (Piece of trivia – Sergeant Friday never uttered those exact words. That phrase was uttered by Stan Freberg in a parody of Dragnet. But that is a different story all together.) 

However, a “just the facts, ma’am” mentality is exactly what we will need if we are to save this vital core social safety net from politicians who for some reason want to do away with this program. That is the purpose of this post and future ones if necessary. I want to give you, I want to arm you with facts about our – your – Social Security program. 

I had initially hoped to write one comprehensive post. But when I began to do the research I found out there was just so much great information out there I could not get it all into one post. So I have decided to break it down into more manageable pieces. In this post I will deal with how and why Social Security came into existence. In subsequent posts I will deal with the changes that have been made to the program over the years, and last of all try to answer the question: is the Social Security program bankrupt? 

So let’s start at the beginning. How and why did Social Security begin? 

Everyone knows that Social Security was created by Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression. But why? What were the conditions that made helping senior citizens and children so imperative? 

We all tend to think Social Security was only in response to the Great Depression. But the Great depression had roots in many places, not the least of which was the Industrial Revolution. 

If you remember your American history classes you know that there was a shift from an agricultural society to an industrialized society in the mid to late 1800’s. The Industrial Revolution and the resulting urbanization of America led to the disappearance of the "extended" family and the safety net it provided young and old alike. 

This also meant that more people were dependent on wages to buy food. Prior to the Industrial Revolution most families could at least grow enough food to feed their immediate family.  

All of that changed in the decades before the Great Depression. When economic income is primarily from wages then your economic security can be threatened by factors outside of your control. Recessions, bank failures, layoffs, failed business can all adversely affect you. And none of those things are your fault. You can still work hard but that will not protect you from the vagaries of the market. 

The upshot of all this is that the old ways of providing for economic security for children and the elderly were crumbling prior to and during the depression. Keep that in the back of your minds as you read about the Great Depression and what happened to ordinary folks like yourselves.   

Most historians agree that the Great Depression began on Black Friday, the day the Stock market crashed, October 27, 1929.  Herbert Hoover was President. Most people believed the economy would correct itself as the nation had survived worse recessions. But this belief soon proved untrue. 

According to the Eleanor Roosevelt Papers, by the time FDR took the oath of office in January, 1933 unemployment had grown from 8 million at the start of the recession to 15 million people. This was roughly one-third of the non-farmer work force. The GNP had fallen from $103.8 billion to 55.7 billion.  

When the depression began about 18 million elderly, disabled, and single mothers with children lived at bare subsistence levels. [Emphasis mine] By 1933 another 13 million Americans had lost their jobs. States, which had been caring for the elderly, disabled, and mothers with children, were over-whelmed and could no longer provide even minimum help. Poorhouses and orphanages were created to help, but often conditions in these institutions were extremely harsh and only the most destitute would apply. 

Food riots broke out, men deserting their families began to rise, and the homeless were living in public parks and in shanty towns. The effect of the Depression on poor children was devastating. 

Most of the elderly did not have personal savings or retirement pensions to even provide for bare minimum support during good economic times, let alone during an economic crisis. For those that did those savings and investments were wiped out by the crash.  

Americans had always taken pride in their rugged individualism and self-reliance. But these kinds of harsh realities and conditions made many Americans begin to question that assumption.  

From the Eleanor Roosevelt Papers: 

“…… Although the depression was world wide, no other country except Germany reached so high a percentage of unemployed. The poor were hit the hardest. By 1932, Harlem had an unemployment rate of 50 percent and property owned or managed by blacks fell from 30 percent to 5 percent in 1935. Farmers in the Midwest were doubly hit by economic downturns and the Dust Bowl. Schools, with budgets shrinking, shortened both the school day and the school year. 

The breadth and depth of the crisis made it the Great Depression. 

No one knew how best to respond to the crisis. President Hoover believed the dole would do more harm than good and that local governments and private charities should provide relief to the unemployed and homeless. By 1931, some states began to offer aid to local communities. FDR, then governor of New York, worked with Harry Hopkins and Frances Perkins to begin a direct work relief program. This helped only a very few. By 1932, only 1/4 of unemployed families received any relief. In 1932, only 1.5 percent of all government funds were spent on relief and averaged about $1.67 per citizen. [Emphasis mine]  

Cities, which had to bear the brunt of the relief efforts, teetered on the edge of bankruptcy. By 1932, Cook County (Chicago) was firing firemen, police, and teachers (who had not been paid in 8 months). Breadlines and Hoovervilles (homeless encampments) appeared across the nation.”   [See photo below] 

Citation: The Eleanor Roosevelt Papers."The Great Depression." Teaching Eleanor Roosevelt, ed. by Allida Black, June Hopkins, et. al. (Hyde Park, New York: Eleanor Roosevelt National Historic Site, 2003). http://www.nps.gov/archive/elro/glossary/great-depression.htm 

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This picture haunts my heart and my soul. This is America circa 1932. It looks like a third world country.  

For more depression era photos click link below: 

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/depression/photoessay.htm 

In America prior to Social Security there were Civil War veteran’s pensions and some company pensions. I will not delve into that history except to note there is some precedent to Social Security in America 

Some states provided aid for the elderly and retirees. But these state programs were basically just welfare programs and eligibility was based on financial need. Then, as now, most Americans opposed welfare type programs. Furthermore, these plans were woefully inadequate, most providing less than $1 a day. And when the depression came there were just too many in need for them to be effective. 

Throughout 1934 Roosevelt talked about ‘national economic insecurity’ and a ‘social insurance’ plan during many of his fireside chats. On June 8, 1934, Roosevelt announced his intention to provide for a Social Security program. By executive order he initiated a commission composed of five of his top cabinet-level officials to find a way to achieve this goal. The committee was instructed to study the entire problem and to make recommendations that would serve as the basis for legislation. 

What Roosevelt did that was so innovative was to introduce an alternative to welfare and called it “social insurance.” He changed the debate. He created a work-related, contributory system in which workers would provide for their own future economic security through personal and company paid contributions, or taxes, paid while they are still employed. 

“Security,” Roosevelt said, “was attained in the earlier days through the interdependence of members of families upon each other and of the families within a small community upon each other. The complexities of great communities and of organized industry make less real these simple means of security. Therefore, we are compelled to employ the active interest of the Nation as a whole through government in order to encourage a greater security for each individual who composes it . . . This seeking for a greater measure of welfare and happiness does not indicate a change in values. It is rather a return to values lost in the course of our economic development and expansion . . .”  [All emphasis mine] 

In January 1935 the commission made its report to the President and on January 17, 1935 Roosevelt sent the report to both houses of Congress for simultaneous consideration.  

The final bill was passed into law by voice vote on August 8, 1935 in the House (372 Yes, 33 no, 25 not voting) and on August 9th in the Senate (77 yes, 6 no, 12 not voting). 
 
On August 14, 1935 President Roosevelt signed the bill into law at a ceremony in the White House Cabinet Room. 

President Roosevelt’s remarks on this video, posted by politicalhack28, say it all:  

"We can never insure one hundred percent of the population against one hundred percent of the hazards and vicissitudes of life, but we have tried to frame a law which will give some measure of protection to the average citizen and to his family against the loss of a job and against poverty-ridden old age." 

From the Social Security – History website: “The two major provisions relating to the elderly were Title I- Grants to States for Old-Age Assistance, which supported state welfare programs for the aged, and Title II-Federal Old-Age Benefits. It was Title II that was the new social insurance program we now think of as Social Security. The new Act created a social insurance program designed to pay retired workers age 65 or older a continuing income after retirement.” 

The original bill provided benefits only to the worker. In 1939 an amendment added two new categories of benefits – payment to a spouse and minor children of a retired worker (dependents benefit) and survivors benefits in case of a premature death of a covered worker. This changed Social Security from a workers only retirement program to a family based economic security program. 

From the Report of the Social Security Board which recommended those changes: 

"It is impossible under any social insurance system to provide ideal security for every individual. The practical objective is to pay benefits that provide a minimum degree of social security—as a basis upon which the worker, through his own efforts, will have a better chance to provide adequately for his individual security."  

Now how does all of this affect me here and now?  

According to the National Center for Policy Analysis that is really quite simple. 

“SOCIAL SECURITY IMPORTANT FOR RETIREMENT OF POOR AND RICH” 

“Even the wealthy depend upon Social Security for much of their consumption after they quit working, according to a new report from the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). 

Consider:

Social Security accounts for virtually all of the discretionary consumption of households with pre-retirement incomes of less than $50,000 a year or $25,000 for singles.  

Social Security accounts for about one-third of all discretionary consumption for the highest-income households — couples earning $500,000 or singles earning $250,000 prior to retirement.   

A primary goal of financial planning is to maintain a consistent standard of living during a person's lifetime.  If Social Security were abolished tomorrow, all retirees would experience an immediate reduction in their consumption.   

If younger workers were notified in advance, they could adjust their saving and spending habits today to avoid abrupt changes in their standard of living upon retirement.   

Yet only the highest income workers have the ability to adjust so as to completely smooth their consumption across their lifetime.  Because low- and middle-income workers are constrained by current obligations they cannot completely adjust.  

For example, if Social Security benefits were eliminated for workers age 35 or younger:

A couple with an annual income of $500,000 could level their consumption across their lifetime by reducing their current consumption by almost 18 percent in each succeeding year.  

Yet a couple with an annual income of $200,000 that reduced their current consumption by almost 24 percent, would experience approximately another 15 percentage point reduction in consumption upon retirement.  

A couple with an annual income of $50,000 that reduced their current consumption by more than 21 percent would experience another 26 percentage point reduction upon retirement.” 

Source: Laurence J. Kotlikoff, Ben Marx and Pietro Rizza, "How Much Do Americans Depend on Social Security?" National Center for Policy Analysis, Policy Report No. 301, August 2007. 

So on Friday last, Susan was one-hundred percent correct: Social Security is this nation’s CORE safety net in good and bad times; but especially in the bad times.  

Don’t let anyone, especially politicians take your safety net away and give it to Wall Street types.  

  • DinsoSilver

    That was a very good article on Social Security. However, to be complete, you need to point out that the current system as it stands now cannot be sustained, and in fact will be completely insolvent by 2041. In 2017, we will be paying out more in benefits than we are taking in from payroll taxes. We have all ready seen an adjustment in Social Security in that current retirement age is now 67 for full benefits for those born in 1960 and later. This means something needs to change, either the amounts paid, the age of full benefits, or who is in charge. The idea behind privatizing Social Security is because our wonderful government has sqandered the system and many people no longer trust it to take care of us. While investing payroll taxes in the stock market seems very extreme, and in light of the fact stocks are down big time – this idea is only one of several being tossed around.

    • bert

      DinsoSilver – I will be dealing with many of the issues you bring up in a future post.

    • masslib

      No, it will not be completely insolvent. It goes down to 70% solvency, than surges in funds as boomers die off. This is a canard.

    • no kidding

      dinso — Social Security will only be running a shortfall for the next 12 years. After that the Boomers children will begin to retire and the Boomers had relatively few children.

  • DinoSilver

    Apologies to the board – I obviously cannot spell. It’s DinoSilver…….

    • andrew191

      Do you remember Roy Rodgers? DINO SILVER….. AWAY!

  • Sharon

    This government has already stolen mine and others SS. I worked and paid faithfully into this SS system as I was REQUIRED I do so. For over 25 years I paid in and achieved the “all my quarters” which guaranteed I would receive a full SSS monthly payment when I retire. Little did I know the thieves in our government would dip their hand into my SS money when I took a job in the education field as the factory I worked in for over 20 years closed down. They now say I will be “double dipping” if I receive what will be a small monthly retirement from education so they will CUT my monthly SS payment. Lets see, a person can get a PRIVATE retirement pension and receive FULL SS, someone who never worked a day in their life, including illegal immigrants can receive SS, but I can’t get what was promised me for paying in faithfully. I wish I could get every penny back that I paid into SS.

    • Dawnelle

      I paid into the system for over 30 yrs.
      plus served 6 of that in the Army.
      I’ve been on disability for a decade. (approx)

      I don’t feel guilty taking it. I didn’t disable myself. I’d rather be able to pull 40 hrs again. I’ve got too much time to educate myself then I ramble around watching the IGNORANT REST OF THE WORLD and I don’t know which is worse!

      right? being a sheep has benefits but a terrible pay off (imo)

      thank you GOD, etc, for NO QTR! ;-)

      • wodiej

        SS is for people like you, you paid your dues and then some. Seniors etc. It seems that just anyone can get it like soon to be illegal aliens.

        • Dawnelle

          not sure why anyone would WANT to be on it

          it’s poverty wages (as it probably should be)

          some have no aspirations beyond that I guess and don’t like to travel as I did…….. takes money to live and even more to make it an adventure!

          sigh, I miss it

          sai la vie

          • Dawnelle

            sais?

            • truthtelling007

              c’est la vie

          • no kidding

            dawnelle — Social Security is not Welfare. We paid into it by working all those years. I guess you think it would be better not to have any safety net at all.

          • Ani

            Actually, I’ll tell you why some people would “want” to be on it — some seniors have nothing else — some have put at least 40 years full time into the work force. Some of those same people also had a pension coming to them after their many years of dedicated service, but the bigwigs running it stole it, so now they only get one tenth of what they are supposed to get.

            Some people actually worked hard their whole lives for the American dream, but family illness, medical bills and who knows what all got in the way of their having a comfortable retirement so they can ‘travel around the world.’ Some people worked very hard and honorably but they didn’t get paid a huge salary for what they did.

            Some people couldn’t LIVE without their Social Security benefits — that they earned, paid into and were told they had a right to expect.

            Eight million stories in the naked city. There are many people out there in this situation.

            • Ellen D

              Thanks, Ani. Yes, there are eight million stories and unfortunately a lot are urban myths and outright lies made up by politicians who want to get their hands on the Social Security money.
              Social Security doesn’t pay for a lot of things you need when you are older – the Health Insurance companies have just issued raises in rates that completely take away all gain received in cost of living increases last year. So a lot of Seniors still work which means THEY ARE PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM AGAIN. Illegals also pay into a system that they can never collect from.
              I don’t believe that Social Security has a major problem that couldn’t be fixed by raising the cap.

            • bert

              Very well said, Ani!

        • elise

          I don’t think that is true woodiej. Illegal aliens don’t have a SS account.

          • bert

            You are 100% correct, elise. I will deal with this in my next post and why so many believe that illegals get Social Security.

    • stefcal

      where did you get this idea that illegals can get SS???? Lou Dobbs?

      Foreigners with legal working visas pay all taxes and wont ever get anything back in benefits or SS unless they become permanent residents or citizens, and the backlog for that is many years and full of obstacles and gotcha requirements that the vast majority won’t be able to overcome and will go back home, leaving all that money behind. The only money they can take is their 401ks and still the govt will charge them penalties and taxes if they withdraw the money when their visas expire and they have to go home.

      Illegals pay taxes with fake SSNs or tax ids and are not eligible to ask for anything.

      I wonder if anyone will ever sue the govt for knowingly taxing illegal work instead of enforcing the law…

      • jbjd

        So many people fail to realize this; undocumented aliens pay taxes (have taxes taken out of their paychecks) they will never recover, including SS.

  • NYSmike

    Very interesting read! Thanks!

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    I do not want Wall Street anywhere near my benefits.

    Think of the hay day Bernie Madoff would have had with that! I do believe if given any opportunity, people such as this odious crook will find a way to get their hands on it.

  • CG

    Thanks Bert. My mother is 82 and we have many discussions about FDR and Social Security, and of course what it was like for her parents during the Great Depression. I look forward to your next posts. Do you know what the actual unemployment is right now, rather than those who are able to apply for unemployment benefits? I know several people who are looking for work but do not fit into a measured statistic in terms of receiving benefits or filing claims.

    It’s interesting and thoughtful of you to remind us of the global nature of the great depression, as if we can learn from history, we are certainly seeing a global catastrophe unfolding, and hopefully, we’ll reflect on that and make smart decisions in the days ahead.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Excellent post, bert. I look forward to the next installment.

    And yes, that photo – heart wrenching…

  • lark

    Nothing is secure anywhere when you have a legislator that wants to spend 1 trillion in a swoop bill just to make work programs. That is in top of an estimated 1.2 trillion in budget deficit for 2009-2010. I mean the retirement benefits will be there but an apple will cost 25 dollars or maybe 50 and a two bag grocery cart will go for about 25 hundred dollars. At least Wall Street would be paying millions in dividends and interest, while SS retirement would have to remain on the schedule it is set up to pay.

    Do you understand that? That the SS schedule of payments is not set out to keep up with hyper-inflation when the consequences of the stimulus package and the indecency of massive deficit spending hits reality.

    On the other hand, investments in Wall Street have the advantage of growing with inflation and matching inflationary dollars, dollar for dollar. That is the difference. Capisce?

    Not that I endorse privatizing SS. But that was yesterday. Today, with the Dems undermining the foundation of our economy, the whole thing changes with a difference perspective and set of numbers.

    So if you choose to keep SS the way it is, you better not be so giddy about the massive deficit spending being proposed by the Dem Congress. Okay?

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    Many of us had parents and/or grandparents who lived through the Depression.

    The Great Dust Bowl was a significant part of the Depression — and millions moved west to escape.

    I grew up listening to stories of the wind blowing tons of good earth and leaving behind sand.

    Many of the old timers say that we are very close to a dust bowl — the planting & farming practices put into place so that another dust bowl would never happen have been ignored. My aunts and grandmother would worry as the tree belts were eliminated.

    The wind is fierce in the plains states — and I’ve been caught in nasty dust storms while driving through Nebraska — so I can imagine how that sort of wind could kick up and keep going for days.

    During the Ray-gun era many of the pension funds were looted — as companies were bought and sold — very often the pension funds disappeared. I don’t know how bad it was –but we should be finding out as the baby boomers begin to retire.

    The prize for this generation’s Prez Ray-gun is the Social Security fund — those Wall street cow boys would love to have some more play money!

    • Ferd Berfle

      The wind is fierce in the plains states — and I’ve been caught in nasty dust storms while driving through Nebraska — so I can imagine how that sort of wind could kick up and keep going for days.

      Yep. The wind in the plains blows about 20 mph all summer from the south and from the north at the same speed in the winter. There were lots of wind-breaks when I was growing up in the 60s in Oklahoma and in Nebraska in the late 70s when I was in college. The last time I was back in either state, they were nowhere to be found. That’s another tried-and-true method for containing soil erosion that will have to be rediscovered.

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        Ferd,
        The concept of the Hedgerow developed in the old world was completely abandoned during the Nixon years to maximize crops. Over time this leads to environmental disaster as you say there are now no wind breaks for miles. More importantly there also is no place for nature which lives in these fragmented hedgerows.

  • alibe

    I heard Austin Ghoulsbee say on CNBC that they would do something (I can’t remember just what he said)before “they privatized Social Security”. In other words, goodbye Social security. It is ripe for the picking. My mouth dropped. But this was the primary time and it didn’t matter what these liars said. NBC et al was busy schilling for him to get the job over Hillary and McCain. Ghoulsbee had already been caught telling Canada one thing and us something else. the media wasn’t goiung to highlight this social security remark.

  • alibe

    I should add that Austin Ghoulsbee is Obama’s closest economic adviser….and on his Economic recovery Advisory Board. God help us!

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Well, the last time they tried this congress got kicked 6 ways to Sunday. The WH switchboard was swamped, Senators and Representatives fax machines were swamped. I know I couldn’t get through to Feinstein or Boxer or our twerp rubber stamp, Farr by phone. Local VM message centers full too. There was such an outcry they backed down. This was one of Bush’s big disappointments. He lobbied for it extensively and got trounced.

      We’ll do that again if they try it. Right now, it’s being run like a Ponzi scheme. Those in retirement are getting paid out of the current contributions. However, it can be fixed. They need to raise the cap on contributions for one thing. They’ve already raised the age requirements. Reich once said that if Bill Gates alone paid SS contributions on his income, the entire system would be funded. Now, I don’t think billionaires should be held up for congresses theft but some combination needs to be put in place. They kept a cost of living raise from SS last year but gave one this year…And for sure, Gore’s SS Lock Box needs to be in place so we keep their filthy hands off our money.

      The other rip off that should be fixed is SS RX Plan which is another Bush disaster. Mostly profits the drug companies.

      • bert

        Yes, Bush did not realize the hornet’s nest he shook when he tried to privitize the system a few years back. Social Security may not provide a lot of money (I know. My mom only received $700/month.) but it is all some of these folks have. And they will fight to keep it. The same thing will happen to Obama if he tries to privitize it.

      • no kidding

        annie — My Senator John Ensign was for Privatization in 2000. Now his office says he is totally against it. We cannot tie people’s futures to the fortunes of Wall Street.

  • jughead

    sdfsdf

  • lark

    You need to understand something, including those who write columns here about the economy. You need to understand the difference between today and days in the future of the PITO administration.

    Today, PITO has a fit, makes angry faces, gets obnoxious and arrogant, dismisses reconstructionists, etc. and everyone and everything seems to get in line somehow or somewhere with the program. PITO’s arrogance wins the day. We mortgage our future with impunity and carelessness. He doesn’t care, neither do we.

    But days in the future no amount of tantrums, angerness, ugly faces, obnoxiousness, and arrogance by PITO or Michelle, Rahm, or anyone else in his administration will be able to put anything in line and behind him when hyper-inflation hits the road. Because hyper-inflation knows no little politician master. And yes, it will be a panacea for PITO because he will be able to impose draconian measures and boost his hyper-ego-maniacal pathological personality to the hilt. An then nothing will make much sense. Okay?

    So angry faces and tantrums today may work wonders for PITO, but days in the future will mean zilch. PITO’s only option would be to personally take over the whole country under his ‘special wisdom’ advise and ‘advisers.’

  • lark

    Second try. You need to understand something very clearly. There is a difference between today and days in the future when hyper-inflation hits.

    Today, PITO is able to throw a fit, make angry faces, by obnoxious, petulant, pedantic, and arrogant and everyone sort of get in line with the program and salute and bows to The One. But when hyper-inflation hits the fan, no amount of aggravation, hissy fits, angerness, obnoxiousness, petulantness, pedanticness, and arrogance by PITO or his beautiful wife Michelle, Rahm Emmanuel, Dodd, Frank, etc will make any difference in the level of hyper-inflation the country will be experiencing. None. Hyper-inflation doesn’t know any politician master and least of the kind of the Democratic kind.

    So, be happy today that everyone and everything responds to the PITO pedantic fits. Once hyper-inflation begins, no one knows where it will end and nothing will make much sense then. Nothing. Okay?

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      How will you operate if hyper-inflation hits? Barter? I keep hearing gold, silver and other commodities but am unclear how the exchange is made.

      Years ago, my first job, I worked for an old GP who used to take fresh eggs from one of his patients who was a rancher in exchange for office visits. Always thought it was a left over from their depression experience.

  • Winston

    Does anyone have the slightest clue as to why there are no term limits for Senators?

    It seems anachronistic and utterly arbitrary for them to be immune from such constraints.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Term limits: Technically, it’s called the ballot box.

      However, when you have people like Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer, Kerry, Specter, Hatch on and on forever, it sure seems as though we should have some legislated limits. Guess you could say they represent their part of the country but what about the rest of us?

      • bert

        Annie Collier – I was just going to say the same thing. The system has built in term-limits. Vote the you know whats out.

        • jbjd

          Thank you. Why is it possible for the same people who can get worked up over term limits, advocate for term limits with their elected officials, and vote for term limits they initiated; not to be able to stop themselves from voting for the officials they conclude should not retain their jobs?

  • shep

    bert, this is a beautifully written and researched piece and I commend you for taking it on. Will eagerly look forward to the next installment.

    • Gary McGowan

      Yes. Thank you Bert. Looking forward to the next.

  • Mercedes

    At this point in time, it will take some world class bamboozling to convince the public that SS should be privatized. Not too long ago, I accidentally stumbled across a book entitled, “Greenspan’s Fraud” written by an SMU Economics Professor named Ravi Batra. This book has some enlightening info related to Social Security. I was impressed by Dr Batra’s presentation and horrified by what he revealed. Bert seems to be very knowledgeable and scholarly on this topic, so I will be most interested to see how his evaluation compares to Dr Batra’s.

    • no kidding

      Mercedes — Greenspan believed in keeping workers insecure.

  • kat in your hat

    Great post, bert, informative and interesting. Thank you.

  • ritamary

    Thank you, bert. Looking forward to the next post.

    When I first began researching Obama, two associates of his turned me off, before I ever heard of Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger. First was Tony Rezko, second was Austan Ghoulsbee. He is a professor of economics at the University of Chicago. Remember the University of Chicago that gave us Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics, much promoted during the Reagan administration? I could not support Obama after I found his economic adviser is promoting privatization of Social Security.

  • no kidding

    Obama would not dare to Privatize Social Security when we are headed into a possible Depression. What this would do to families would be devastating. This would force children to take care of their parents and grandparents who would no longer be economically independent. Privatization is a bad idea at any time but particularly NOW.

  • stefcal

    Eventually we;’ll have to face the fact that our insane debt + interest will have to be paid and the deficits keep increasing exponentially year after year….

    Either our economy grows fast (unlikely) or, the dollar will have to crumble and hyperinflation will come ……. so payments for SS will be nearly worthless for the younger generations who are now in personal debt up to their eyeballs to afford a “middle class lifestyle” (mortgage+college loans+credit cards) and have almost no savings.

    Personally, I think most young people won’t be able to “retire”. retirement will be a thing of the past. We’ll just continue working until we drop.

    • lark

      My post above is in agreement. But what we must understand now is that PITO’s tantrums today won’t mean anything tomorrow. Against hyper-inflation there is no tantrum, anger, ugly faces and arrogance that makes any impression. So…

      Enjoy PITO’s tantrums and arrogant petulance on his bully pulpit. It won’t last long. Things change rapidly with hyper-inflation. It does not come slowly and it doesn’t disappear slowly either.

      PITO has a strategy for hyper-inflation. That we can count on. Change that we won’t be able to believe is happening.

  • elise

    I’d like to add my thanks, bert. My father was a young man during the Depression and he had a very evocative way of describing what life was like then. We lived in Mississippi when I was a child and there were still “hobos” coming around for a meal and this was in the late 50s-early 60s. He told me during the Depression, men would hop on freight trains, traveling across the country looking for work and it created a whole society of wanderers. He had a car, but no money to buy gas and found odd jobs to make enough money to live. There was a song written about that time, “Brother Can You Spare A Dime” and it is beautiful and sad. He was a huge fan of FDR and spoke of him often. Social Security is the most perfect and compassionate idea for any society. Does anyone seriously think any group of young people will be concerned enough about the future to save the money necessary for retirement or that the stock market is a good investment for families who live frugally, but never make enough to gamble and that’s what the market is. The money we add to Social Security has disappeared into the black hole of bureaucracy in Washington and now they tell us it’s broke. You mentioned the pensions paid to Civil War vets, but I remember from a history class, the WW1 vets went to Washington to protest because their pensions hadn’t been honored by the government. I saw a picture once of a “tent city” in front of the Capital where those vets camped until they got what was rightfully theirs. Thank you again for this post. It’s so important we remember the roots of this essential program.

    • Ellen D

      For those too young to remember:

      They used to tell me
      I was building a dream.
      And so I followed the mob
      When there was earth to plow
      Or guns to bear
      I was always there
      Right on the job.
      They used to tell me
      I was building a dream
      With peace and glory ahead.
      Why should I be standing in line
      Just waiting for bread?
      Once I built a railroad
      I made it run
      Made it race against time.
      Once I built a railroad
      Now it’s done
      Brother, can you spare a dime?
      Once I built a tower up to the sun
      Brick and rivet and lime.
      Once I built a tower,
      Now it’s done.
      Brother, can you spare a dime?
      Once in khaki suits
      Gee we looked swell
      Full of that yankee doodle dee dum.
      Half a million boots went sloggin’ through hell
      And I was the kid with the drum!
      Say don’t you remember?
      They called me Al.
      It was Al all the time.
      Why don’t you remember?
      I’m your pal.
      Say buddy, can you spare a dime?

      It always makes me cry.

  • Sassy

    While we would like for everyone to pay their way, the reality is that a certain segment of society just cannot! This is known from the beginning of time, and in all cultures.
    Short of euthanasia, we will always need to care for the less fortunate, and Social Security has succeeded in doing so.
    My family were farmers, but cut timber, did black-smithing, and some went into the coal mines as well.
    Even so, in their last years, they needed the payments they received.

  • Patti

    I deal with Mediare daily @ my job. We are having a hell time getting claims pd. This area has to deal with National Governmen Services. Some new bunch of twits to give me a headache.

    I have been reading a lot of forums and its unbeievable the amount of twit out there who have no clue what SS and Medicare are all about. They seem to think that the elderly and the disabled are rolling in dough.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Thank you Bert for a well done post. I look forward to more of your fine articles.

    I fear the current “Dust Bowl” will be defined as a lack of imagination. It is disturbing, but not unexpected, that fear is being used by BO and his minions.

  • Helen

    Thanks Bert. Very informative. Well done. I was born during the Depression, but didn’t really know this history. I’m looking forward to the next installment.

  • cynic

    Excellent article!

    Many people aren’t clear on a key concept behind Social Security:

    It’s a social insurance program, not an investment program.

    I had close dealings with people filing for Social Security benefits for many years. The most common complaint I heard–though I suspect this has changed since the stock market nose-dived–was from successful people, who complained how much better they could have done if they’d been allowed to keep and invest their Social Security contributions.

    I generally got an angry look when I explained their FICA was actually an insurance premium. It insured against the risk of abject poverty in old age, or early loss of work ability due to incapacitation. It insured both the income earner and that earner’s dependents, which were also insured in the event of the earner’s early death. It was mandatory because such an insurance scheme wouldn’t work unless it was extended to the entire working population.

    It didn’t generally help to point out that most workers eventually recover more than the premiums they’ve paid.

    Nor did it help to point out that the Social Security Administration manages public funds in a highly cost-efficient manner. Far more efficiently than any private concern manages private money.

    It’s a mindset. People holding it generally didn’t seem to realize how fortunate they were not to have worked hard through a lifetime and ended up with little to show for it but their arrival at old age.

  • bert

    Excellent comment, cynic. And 100% accurate. That is an excellent way to explain it. May I quote you in a future post?

    • cynic

      Sure. Feel free.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    as an elder widow on s.s..believe me we are not rolling in dough..

  • http://certifiedpsychics.com Gail Summer

    Thank you, Bert, for the excellent and informative article.

  • http://www.telemediumpsychics.com Andrea

    Reality is that we all pay fr these benefits now, however I am not sure we will… benefit from it when we are in need.