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A real businessman’s story as “the canary in the coalmine”

SPECIAL NOTICE: Seattle Moss will be a guest TONIGHT during Jay’s radio show, “No Topic Taboo, Everything Else With Jay,” 9:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. This is must-listen radio! I’ve talked to Seattle Moss, and he’s as charming and engaging on the phone as he is in print. Jay’s will be a great show! – Susan

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Many of you know me as Seattle Moss, a manufacturer of industrial poly products such as bags, covers, liners and sheeting crucial to all companies that are processing, manufacturing, or shipping any type of finished goods to the market place.

I have been called the canary in the coal mine. Without my products, there are no products from anyone to anywhere. So I would like to take a moment to give you all a quick snapshot of where business stands in the Northwest United States and Canada.

For the past five years, I have managed to grow my business every year 20% on average and, although we are relatively small compared to some companies, this has meant increasing revenues from $10-20 million. We have, during this period, been able to increase our labor force from just 20 people to more than 80 in the busy season.

That all changed this past year.

I first noticed a fall-off early in 2008 when our long-established sales reps in Oregon and Seattle started missing their targets. This was offset by new business that I brought in from Canada so there was no immediate cause for alarm. In fact I didn’t know the full extent of the recession until one fateful day in Oct when Stretch Pelosi told the world that we were in a Great depression and there was nothing great about it…

During the summer I warned everybody on this blog that we were headed for the Obama collapse because I believe in self-fulfilling prophesies.

Namely, if you talk enough about class warfare, raising taxes on the wealthy, capital gains taxes, carbon taxes and punishing businesses, then what you get is a collapse of the economy. Yes, the financial and the sub-prime also had a lot to do with it, but Obama and his minions effectively spooked the market out of $30 trillion in equities, thus causing business to come to a complete halt.

Since October my business which has never declined has seen the bottom fall out. We are now 40% off our totals from last year and things seem to be getting even worse.

I supply all the lumber business which has seen a precipitous drop with mills closing everywhere. Gypsum board, roofing, windows, cement and all supporting industries and suppliers have all but ceased to produce.

What I’m also finding is usually reliable industries like fishing are unable to get the necessary financing to take their boats out this spring. They have told me that their boats have to just sit in the port not going to Alaska to harvest the fish.

What a loss for me! The biggest problem for me has been the dollar. Last year Canada bailed me out. Now that business is drying up because everything costs 30% more for the Canadians.They are just starting to feel the collapse and business has dried up considerably. Not too many places to escape to find additional work. we have laid off 60% of our work force and have cut the days for others.

As a result of this collapse I have been forced to look outside the box once again.

Those that do have the capital are buying huge blocks of product from me at basement prices which will allow them to resell once hyper inflation kicks in later in this year.

So where I stand right now is that I’m about ready to have my biggest month ever except the price will be at a deflationary levels which has cut profit margins considerably, but does have the benefit of keeping people working and not adding to the layoffs.

My company is in better shape than others in my industry. We will survive through this crisis but there are days and you have seen my posts where I haven’t been able to see the light at the end of tunnel and it gives me a big lump in my throat.

But wait a minute…..Enough is Enough!!!

I refuse to be a victim of a crisis other people have created. I started to think what is stopping people from buying at the very best moment to buy. I went into full battle mode, brainstorming and thinking of any industry that wouldn’t be affected by this collapse.

Then it came to me … Apples, Pears and Berries. These industries are affected only by the weather and not the economic conditions facing other aspects of the economy. I went to work and called every distributor and grower in the industry and this is what I told them on the phone.

“This is the trough..The darkest moment before the dawn…When fear and uncertainty grips the nation…When resin prices are at there lowest, demand has dried up and we need to keep employees on the line for the sake of their families.

The moment has come.. The very best time to buy!!!”

Because the stimulus package will be signed dollars will be printed,confidence will emerge and hyper inflation will be the next step in this process.”

Saying these words to my customers finally got them to buy!….All of them!

Now my extruders are filled with orders and the workers are smiling because there won’t be additional layoffs..I may have had to cut my margins but the company will keep going and I will find additional deals out there.

Checked with my Oracle today:

Deflation is almost over…I have sold all my cheap plastics within the last two days like a stampede, with folks wanting special terms. Now I’m looking at more expensive resins and higher prices despite the low demand. It’s hard to tell my future customers that we are having price increases when there is so little demand.

Spring will bring warmth and hyper-inflation which will be the beginning of the end of our buying power as a nation. The collapse of the American dollar will not be far behind. This may help my Canadian business but hurt everywhere else.

I want to thank everybody at No Quarter for their support. We are all in this together

Seattle Moss

  • The Real HC

    You are brave crossing the 50 employee line. The regulations are just killer after 49. Yet another unintended side effect of laws designed by people who do not live in the real world.

    We are down 30% from last year, same quarter.

    I have zero confidence that the porkulus package will help, its just an excuse to create huge government.

    I agree with you that this stuff doesn’t smell good for the country. Soon enough they will be spotting all currency against the Euro – that will be a sad day.

    Good luck.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Actually with the layoffs we are now below 50 people for the first time in long time..Has erased a lot of the gains we saw in the past several years.

    Two words gets me the deal…Printing Money!!

    My customers know exactly what that means..Hyper Inflation

  • Danny

    What does Hyper Inflation mean? That prices are going to go through the roof? And does that mean that goods won’t be purchased because we can’t afford them?

  • Ellen D

    Canada is the U.S’s biggest trading partner. They’re joined at the hip. Where the U.S. goes, Canada goes. And so goes the rest of the world.

    Thank you Seattle Moss for getting orders by selling optimism to normally optimistic Americans. This economy fell ill, but it was the fear-mongering employed to get this gargantuan spending bill passed pushing the economy to the basement that makes me the most angry.

    “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” indeed. And some have the nerve to compare Obama to FDR!

  • AlexisM

    Great thread Seattle. And the class warfare stuff has to stop. It’s killing America and ruining our spirit. Congrats for staying afloat and I hope your business survives this big mess.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Thank you, Seattle Moss, for this timely post, and for your thoughtful comments in general. I wish you, and your employees, all the best through this difficult time.

  • The Real HC

    Hyperinflation: a condition in which prices increase rapidly as a currency loses its value (Weimar Republic)

    Stagflation: an economic situation in which inflation and economic stagnation occur simultaneously (Jimmy Carter)

    I was leaning towards stagflation but lately I am going with Seattle, I think we will see hyperinflation as The Obama meddles with the money supply.

  • Ellen D

    The last big bout of inflation I remember was early 80s. We lost all our customers, interest rates went sky-high and people bought stuff and hoarded it because next week it would cost more. The created the word “stagflation”. Our business survived only by a miracle.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    What does Hyper Inflation mean?
    When you have a 14 trillion economy and owe 10 trillion and decide to print another trillion give or take few you’re printing monopoly money and when the world decides that the dollar is not worth anything they will call their loans and cause the dollar to collapse up to 90% of it’s value.
    This happened to the Weimer Republic where they used wheelbarrows full of money to buy a loaf of bread.
    Hyper inflation means you can’t afford anything and can lead to famine such as in Zimbabwe today.
    My suggestion..Buy a wheelbarrow while they are still cheap.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Which was a hangover from the War in Vietnam, a time when the country first tried the “we’re-gonna-have-both-guns-and-butter” approach to financing the Federal government. Just wait until the real hangover from the current conflict appears.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Canada is the U.S’s biggest trading partner. They’re joined at the hip. Where the U.S. goes, Canada goes. And so goes the rest of the world.

    The most difficult reality for me now is the exchange rate.I would have more than enough business if the Canadians didn’t have to pay 30% more do to the dollar.

  • alibe

    I feel that the currency will in effect have a reverse split. This will cause Social Security to be worth half of what it is now. They won’t cut benefits, but halve the currency value. Clever but disasterous. 0bama, worse than Bush I and Bush II.

  • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Yup–for sure. :(

  • ChooChooMagoo

    Great post Seattle Moss. Thanks for sharing. I hope you will update us all from time to time. Hopefully your resourcefulness will keep you and your company out of the worst that still lays ahead.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Thank You Choo Choo..Hope you will chime in tonight

  • candymarl

    Seattle Moss you are the type employer anyone would be proud to work for.

    Sure, you’re trying to make a profit. Otherwise, why would anyone go into business? But you care about your employees and how the state of the economy affects their lives. You are a truly decent human being.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Lump in my throat time…Thanks!!

  • candymarl

    “type of employer”

  • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    There’s a little more going on than the ‘talk’ of a decline. China and India are on our tail producing things just as fast, just as well as we do at a fraction of the cost. This will not end–it will only increase. We will have to face the fact that we cannot expect to get paid 10 to 100 times what people in other parts of the world get paid for the exact same work.

    Seattle Moss, what is your long-term outlook? With your material prices increasing, where do you see yourself in 5 or 10 years?

  • elise

    Moss, sorry for your business losses. Everyone we speak to now has either been directly affected or has family or friends who have suffered. I’m wondering what the country will be like when we get to the other side of this crisis. I am afraid of it. There are so many unknown variables and one of them is, how strong are we as a nation and are we willing to sacrifice to get back what we lost? Thanks for the post and the warning.

  • Winston

    Way to go Moss. You are a super-salesman. The nature of your business gives you a leading indicator of what is to come. You have your finger on the pulse of a large sector of the economy. But your products have a long shelf life and there is no telling when they will be consumed.

    A large part of any downturn is purely psychological. I was running a small business when Saddam invaded Kuwait. That was a toxic shock to the bottom line; and it was instantaneous, like day and night. Everyone froze. The phone went dead. It was mostly perception and fear.

    But this present crisis seems to have been manufactured from within, at least in part, by the willful intent of Pelosi and the anti-business crowd. These are people who couldn’t run a biz for 10 minutes. That is why they gravitate to government.

    I wonder if you could comment on this and especially your thoughts on Schumer gleefully causing a run on Indymac Bank. It is a variant of the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” to take down capitalism.

    Long live free enterprise.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Sonic,
    Having built an alliance of distributors and other manufacturers similar but with different niches I see our consolidating and taking a much stronger position through acquisition of some weaker players.

    Considering I make a product that is essential for our existence I’m not worried too much about the future.

    I want to tell this story…

    My company is in better shape because we hired the best qualified plant manager for the job. Her name is Liz and she is the first female to hold this position in the industry.
    I had a great time firing the sexist that used to have the job…Wasn’t he surprised!!

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Thanks for this. A personal story can inform so much better than numbers.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Hello Winston,
    The Obama collapse as I call it….I don’t think they realized what they have unleashed on this country and the world
    30 trillion in equities gone
    50 million jobs lost
    200 million in poverty

  • JustMe

    WTG Seattle I am proud to call you a friend!
    I may write my story one day I know many here do not think as an ex Brit I should post here however as you say we are all in this together…

    I will send good thoughts for your business and the families who you support through your employees!

    You’re a great American~~

  • Dave of Seattle

    Except for the 60 per cent now unemployed. I don’t buy Seattle Moss’ argument for a second.

  • andrew191

    Well Dave, where do you think the argument breaks down? And if you want to “buy” an argument, you had better hurry while you can still afford one.

  • MBC

    Hey Seattle,
    It was great to hear you live. I was too timid to ask on the radio, but I have a question regarding something you said that you would suggest when you are appointed to the President’s Business Strategies for the New Century Board….You would encourage him to think outside the box and build a better business climate. At this point, with our direction pretty much locked in to the tune of $782 Billion, what is left to build such a thing?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    I’m proud to call you a friend too!
    Try to forget what WC said the other night. That is not representative of the vast amount of people here.

  • Cubs in 09

    I was too timid to ask on the radio…

    I emailed instead! Great job!

    Do you think inflation will rear its ugly head as soon as this spring? I think deflation will be with us for awhile.

  • TeakwoodKite
  • TeakwoodKite

    …or do you have a wheel barrel for all that paper?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Hey Cubie,
    I guess that was you asking about ole Mossback

    Really hard to tell what’s going to happen next. Our resin suppliers are already talking price increases despite demand being off…

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    MBC…
    Really nice hearing your voice also!

    I think the dye is set!

    This is the path they have chosen and hopefully we won’t see a whiplash from deflation to hyper inflation.

  • Cubs in 09

    I guess that was you asking about ole Mossback

    Yup! :wink:

    …suppliers are already talking price increases despite demand being off…

    Hmm… That doesn’t sound good. I’m rather enjoying the lower prices we’ve been experiencing. I remember the inflation of the Carter years. Ugh!

  • TeakwoodKite

    Hey Seattle Moss, I very much enjoyed reading your article and your appearance on Jay’s show. Thanks for an insightful conversation.

    My sanehalf does bookkeeping and shares some of the horror stories her clients are experiencing…

    Do you see any chance that the climate will improve without any non bailout capital directed at our manufacturing base in this country?

    One of the problems I see occuring is the atrificial nature of M1 injected into the economy.

    Anyway, above all I admire your “grit”.

  • RebelCarol

    Excellent post Seattle. Keep talking us through this mess.

  • Babs

    I am so sick of the Democratic narrative of the “evil, rich” business owners and the “poor victim” employees. I work at a large, privately owned international electronics company, and despite predictions of doom and gloom and a slight downturn in business at the end of last year, the wonderful man who owns that business gave his hundreds and hundreds of employees our regular Christmas bonus last year. I am so grateful for his generosity and the concern he feels for his employees. And Seattle Moss, I am sure your employees feel the same. God bless.

  • JulieD

    Great Post Seattle Moss!

    I worked on multi-million dollar deals around the world during Enron and WorldCom. I believe that most of the current economic disaster is due to fraud.

    It makes me angry to hear and see how decent people are made to suffer due to gross negligence on the part of the government and fraud on the part of corporations.

    The Bail-Out/Stimulus noise is just more unregulated crap that this country can’t afford.

    I put more effort into entertaining than this administration has a trillion dollar deal.

    Too bad you aren’t running the country Moss. We’d be better off.

  • JustMe

    LOL I want one too where do we buy them funny~~

  • JustMe

    meaning that is so funny….

  • cynic

    I can follow all of this, nodding my head in agreement, until I hit the part where it’s suggested that Obama arrived in the midst of a perfectly functional economic landscape and somehow talked all of our current problems into existence.

    The trouble we’re experiencing has been building for a long time on a number of levels. Multiple dysfunctions left too-long untended have now formed up into a sort of perfect storm.

    We knew deficit spending was escalating dangerously through 3 of the last 4 presidential administrations. We knew it was accelerating tremendously during the past 8 years, and that they money we were spending wasn’t being spent wisely. We not only knew people were running up personal debt rather than saving for the future–we encouraged that behavior.

    Any reasonable person among us surely at least suspected that sooner or later there’d be hell to pay.

    I’m not pitching or apologizing for Obama here. I’m stating what seems like obvious fact. No doubt there are many legitimate criticisms to be made concerning the approach he’s taking to dealing with our problems, but if they’re to be useful criticisms, it’s surely important that they be based in fact.

  • AlexisM

    cynic…it’s a manufactured hysteria to get you to go along with your loved one’s horrible plans for our country. We’ve survived this stuff. No worries. And McCain was very positive about it. But Obama is pulling the wool over your eyes. It’s all doom and gloom, so you as a taxpayer have to support the biggest con job, Bacon Bill, commie document in our history. And I watch you every day fall for it. I feel sorry for you. Who cares if Obama inherited a problem? He asked for this, knowing full well he has no idea how to handle it. And we are being run by Nancy the Pig Pelosi. It’s sooo wrong. You keep up pushing that Obama agenda. We here at NQ will embrace you when you admit you were wrong.

  • cynic

    The still-accelerating rate of job losses isn’t a figment of Barack Obama’s imagination. That began before he pulled ahead of John McCain in the polls. It’s one of the reasons that he finally did.

    Nor did Obama or the democrats create and fan up an out-of-the-blue national panic about the financial system in the final weeks before the election, complete with the terrifying specter of banks going down overnight like dominos. To the contrary, he was roundly criticized for staying away from Washington, and for leaving the topic too much alone on the campaign trail. He was actually critized for his calmness.

    This was only a few short months ago. I’d expect clearer memories of what happened so recently.

  • AlexisM

    Well, cynic, you are right. All of us Republicans are a piece of crap and deserve to be shot at dawn. I’ll go first.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    Can I throw a few liberals and democrats in with the republicans, just to balance things out. Let’s start with a couple of bots, Botox Nancy, and those ACORN folks who cheated.

  • AlexisM

    You can, but not where cynic is concerned. Cynic thinks that back to the days before Christ any and all Republicans are garbage and need to be gassed like at Auschwitz.

  • socalannie

    What a great post, Mossy! I hope you will write more, been reading your comments for what…a year now? but a full length post/article is better. I’ve said it before, but I wish I had a boss like you! My bosses have all been very sexist.
    Anyway, I wish you all possible success, and since your business is an essential, and you’re obviously a smartie, I believe you will survive whatever is coming.

  • Thomas

    No, Republicans aren’t crap, thieves and crooks are pieces of crap. AlexisM, are you a Republican or a thief?

  • cynic

    I also reject that as an oversimplification that gets in the way of clear thinking.

    That’s just the other side of the it’s-all-their-fault coin.

    Give me the option of a third party firmly planted in the middle ground, and I’ll be there in a flash.

  • Snickers

    Thank you Seattle Moss for your cogent report. I am stocking up and have been because of your posts.

  • cynic

    *sigh* Not so. I was a two-time Ronald Reagan supporter, AlexisM. I believed he had it right for a long time.

    I haven’t simply flip-flopped into believing the democrats have it all right now, either. I find obvious problems there as well.

    This election, I thought a course correction was seriously needed. Unfortunately we don’t seem to have a steering wheel we can jig slightly to the right or slightly to the left. Every 2 and 4 years we have to decide whether to push the right button or the left button. It makes for an erratic trip down the road.

  • tminu

    Moss, I dance Thursdays at China Harbor…would I see you there?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Hey Gang!
    Just wanted to take a moment to thank you all for either listening to the show or responding here on this thread. I plan on being a regular call in guest until I have my own show where anything can be discussed.
    Until then I have to get up super early in the morning so I will read all your comments on the road.
    Mossy…

  • AlexisM

    Cynic…you support Obama. You will find out soon that is the equivalent of treason.

  • Amazonia

    What a great post Seattle Moss. The part I liked best was your decision to not give up, to “think outside the box”, to look for alternatives, and for providing a positive note out of your hardship.

    Thanks for posting a real life case study.

  • AlexisM

    Thomas, when you see what is done to you? You will find the Dimwit Party to be the party of thieves and crooks. In fact, it’s a little surprising you didn’t figure that one out already. Most Americans with brains get it.

  • AlexisM

    Well, Babs, you have self esteem, pride and that American spirit. Obama has promised no one has to work and he’s going to steal the money from those who work and give it to the lazy azzes. ROFLMAO. What a mess this is and how dare these entitled “rich is evil” people think it’s going to go down that way?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    I like Westlake…Maybe I can stop in on my way home from Canada tomorrow night. I will be tired from the long trip but can talk about topics of interest.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Got a two already Seattle. You think that will be enough?

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    Might want to get a cargo van instead!

  • Idiocracy08

    Botox Nancy

    Is that BO-tox or BOT-ox?

  • andrew191

    Just imagine how many wheelbarrows full of money we’ll need to buy a roll of toilet paper!

    Wait a minute,……… what was I thinking?

    Nevermind.

  • Ellen D

    The exchange rate is a killer. We get Canadian money too. Last year Canadian money was high only because of Bush. I told all the Canadians to buy US currency because US currency would rise as soon as ANY new President was elected. Sure enough. The natural position of the Canadian dollar is below par.

  • Ellen D

    I love you Seattle Moss.

  • cynic

    I support the concept that a democratically elected president of the United States is the current captain of the team. I believe this one to be intelligent, capable, and committed to trying to be a good captain at a particularly difficult time. I don’t equate hoping for his success with treason.

  • AlexisM

    He’s none of the above and we’re doomed for that exact thinking.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    you two are living in fantasy land; if you look in the help wanted ads in my local newspaper, i would say that 75% of the jobs advertised pay less than $10/hr.; that’s less than 20K/year for people WORKING (not sitting on their asses) 40 hrs/week, 52 weeks/year. what kind of national economy is going to be sustained by people making 20K/year??!!!

    jeezus f-ing christ; the rich have never been richer, but you’re telling us working people who are taking pay CUTS (real and vs. inflation) all over the place that they aren’t rich enough, and if we would just give them a little more of our paychecks, everything will be okay???!!!

    it’s “class warfare” to say “we’re being screwed by the aristocracy” but it’s not class warfare for the let-them-eat-cake crowd to screw us in the first place??? yeah, screw that.

  • mountainaires

    I told my spouse just yesterday it was time to buy a few wheelbarrows while they’re still cheap enough to buy. How eerie, Seattle Moss.

    Read yesterday that JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are buying up gold as a hedge. That’s a sign of what they aren’t telling you during those hearings in Congress. Hyper-inflation, devalued dollars, and other nightmarish futures for the American people.

    Good diary, Seattle Moss, I’ve read your comments with interest, and admiration. It’s scary, and it’s bad enough when it’s your financial security at risk; but I think for business owners of small and mid-sized businesses, where you get to know your employees, it’s doubly painful to know that you have a responsibility for their lives, too.

    I’ve got good friends who are likely to lose their business, and it’s painful to watch them struggle over it. I can do nothing but sympathize and support. They weren’t paying attention to the signs, and now they’re paying a heavy price.

    Thanks for telling your canary in the coal mine story, SeattleMoss. It’s good anecdotal evidence of what’s happening everywhere, and how people are dealing with it.

  • Liz

    What utter bullshit. You are trying to use your business case to spin a Republican rant that the financial crisis is all Obama’s fault. Remember this great financial slide began in Sept – Dec of 2008, before Obama was in office. This crisis was created, brewed, and served up by the Bush administration. What happened to that surplus Clinton left to Bush? Nah, let’s just forget history. That’s so last month.

  • Winston

    She is not talking about multinationals and the overpaid CEOs of Big Corps that milk everyone. She is talking about Mid and Small size business. That is what this thread is about.

    No one favors the CEOs and crooks on wall street who get rich without producing anything. They serve a roll but not by stealing and breaking laws.

    It think your whole disagreement is semantics.

  • http://TexasRose Nadine Morella

    Seattle Moss, this is my first blog, but I have been enjoying reading your responses, etc. Your article about the “canary in the coal mine” was very well done, and you showed so much compassion and sincerity, and truly care about your fellow man.
    I just listened to the radio show and enjoyed it thoroughly and wish you much success with your business.

  • Jules

    He was actually critized for his calmness.

    You may call it “calmness”. The media sold that word. I call it cluelessness, cowardice, and a lack of clear principles. It’s not like he had any executive or economic experience to offer. He’s never run anything. He was right to stay away since he would have been of no benefit to anyone. He went as long as possible before having to take a position he could be criticized for, as he typically does.

  • Jules

    Bush was not a “conservative” president. He did plenty wrong. He acted like a big spending liberal, so the misguided “course correction” you mention was to elect Obama and accelerate further down the path of economic destruction… the opposite of what people should have done if they really wanted a change. We need a fiscal CONSERVATIVE in office at all times and no one will ever convince me otherwise. I am much more liberal on social issues, but I just think fiscal conservatism is plain old common sense.

    I also don’t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months. How ridiculous.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

    I also don’t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months.

    The folks in the 30′s decided with level heads the same thing when they rejected Communism because of a few bad years of capitalism

  • Bellevue_NW_Voter

    Good for you, Seattle Moss.

    Me, I was laid off by Microsoft on Jan 23, along with 1399 others whose positions were eliminated.

    I’m biding my time during the 60 day WARN period, during which we’re all on a paid leave of absense. I’m applying for other positions at the company, in hopes that I won’t ultimately have to leave it, but am also hedging my bets by discussing a couple possible business ideas with colleagues. Historically an entrepreneur, I may return to that for a while in hopes of getting some of this “printed money” for my own, when it starts getting handed out to people who want to spend it. My ideas involve relatively low overhead and at most a few employees to start.

    If you were considering going into business now, vs. joining an established company, which would you do? In the early 2000′s, Microsoft was a safe haven from the chaos of the dot-com contracting world, but I’m no longer convinced that I’m more secure depending on leadership who makes decisions that seem based on very short term income statement criteria, than on my own ingenuity and willingness to work hard.

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