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		<title>By: Bellevue_NW_Voter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140953</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellevue_NW_Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, Seattle Moss.

Me, I was laid off by Microsoft on Jan 23, along with 1399 others whose positions were eliminated.

I&#039;m biding my time during the 60 day WARN period, during which we&#039;re all on a paid leave of absense.  I&#039;m applying for other positions at the company, in hopes that I won&#039;t ultimately have to leave it, but am also hedging my bets by discussing a couple possible business ideas with colleagues.  Historically an entrepreneur, I may return to that for a while in hopes of getting some of this &quot;printed money&quot; for my own, when it starts getting handed out to people who want to spend it.  My ideas involve relatively low overhead and at most a few employees to start.

If you were considering going into business now, vs. joining an established company, which would you do?  In the early 2000&#039;s, Microsoft was a safe haven from the chaos of the dot-com contracting world, but I&#039;m no longer convinced that I&#039;m more secure depending on leadership who makes decisions that seem based on very short term income statement criteria, than on my own ingenuity and willingness to work hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Seattle Moss.</p>
<p>Me, I was laid off by Microsoft on Jan 23, along with 1399 others whose positions were eliminated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m biding my time during the 60 day WARN period, during which we&#8217;re all on a paid leave of absense.  I&#8217;m applying for other positions at the company, in hopes that I won&#8217;t ultimately have to leave it, but am also hedging my bets by discussing a couple possible business ideas with colleagues.  Historically an entrepreneur, I may return to that for a while in hopes of getting some of this &#8220;printed money&#8221; for my own, when it starts getting handed out to people who want to spend it.  My ideas involve relatively low overhead and at most a few employees to start.</p>
<p>If you were considering going into business now, vs. joining an established company, which would you do?  In the early 2000&#8242;s, Microsoft was a safe haven from the chaos of the dot-com contracting world, but I&#8217;m no longer convinced that I&#8217;m more secure depending on leadership who makes decisions that seem based on very short term income statement criteria, than on my own ingenuity and willingness to work hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140606</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I also don’t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The folks in the 30&#039;s decided with level heads the same thing when they rejected Communism because of a few bad years of capitalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also don’t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months.</p></blockquote>
<p>The folks in the 30&#8242;s decided with level heads the same thing when they rejected Communism because of a few bad years of capitalism</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140604</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush was not a &quot;conservative&quot; president.  He did plenty wrong.  He acted like a big spending liberal, so the misguided &quot;course correction&quot; you mention was to elect Obama and accelerate further down the path of economic destruction... the opposite of what people should have done if they really wanted a change.  We need a fiscal CONSERVATIVE in office at all times and no one will ever convince me otherwise.  I am much more liberal on social issues, but I just think fiscal conservatism is plain old common sense.

I also don&#039;t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months.  How ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush was not a &#8220;conservative&#8221; president.  He did plenty wrong.  He acted like a big spending liberal, so the misguided &#8220;course correction&#8221; you mention was to elect Obama and accelerate further down the path of economic destruction&#8230; the opposite of what people should have done if they really wanted a change.  We need a fiscal CONSERVATIVE in office at all times and no one will ever convince me otherwise.  I am much more liberal on social issues, but I just think fiscal conservatism is plain old common sense.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think we need to junk our historically successful capitalist society in favor of socialism just because there has been trouble for a few months.  How ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140596</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He was actually critized for his calmness. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You may call it &quot;calmness&quot;.  The media sold that word.  I call it cluelessness, cowardice, and a lack of clear principles.  It&#039;s not like he had any executive or economic experience to offer. He&#039;s never run anything. He was right to stay away since he would have been of no benefit to anyone.  He went as long as possible before having to take a position he could be criticized for, as he typically does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He was actually critized for his calmness.
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<p>You may call it &#8220;calmness&#8221;.  The media sold that word.  I call it cluelessness, cowardice, and a lack of clear principles.  It&#8217;s not like he had any executive or economic experience to offer. He&#8217;s never run anything. He was right to stay away since he would have been of no benefit to anyone.  He went as long as possible before having to take a position he could be criticized for, as he typically does.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine Morella</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140164</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine Morella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seattle Moss, this is my first blog, but I have been enjoying reading your responses, etc. Your article about the &quot;canary in the coal mine&quot; was very well done, and you showed so much compassion and sincerity, and truly care about your fellow man.
I just listened to the radio show and enjoyed it thoroughly and wish you much success with your business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle Moss, this is my first blog, but I have been enjoying reading your responses, etc. Your article about the &#8220;canary in the coal mine&#8221; was very well done, and you showed so much compassion and sincerity, and truly care about your fellow man.<br />
I just listened to the radio show and enjoyed it thoroughly and wish you much success with your business.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1140121</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is not talking about multinationals and the overpaid CEOs of Big Corps that milk everyone. She is talking about Mid and Small size business. That is what this thread is about. 

No one favors the CEOs and crooks on wall street who get rich without producing anything. They serve a roll but not by stealing and breaking laws. 

It think your whole disagreement is semantics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is not talking about multinationals and the overpaid CEOs of Big Corps that milk everyone. She is talking about Mid and Small size business. That is what this thread is about. </p>
<p>No one favors the CEOs and crooks on wall street who get rich without producing anything. They serve a roll but not by stealing and breaking laws. </p>
<p>It think your whole disagreement is semantics.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1139987</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What utter bullshit.  You are trying to use your business case to spin a Republican rant that the financial crisis is all Obama&#039;s fault.  Remember this great financial slide began in Sept - Dec of 2008, before Obama was in office.  This crisis was created, brewed, and served up by the Bush administration.  What happened to that surplus Clinton left to Bush?  Nah, let&#039;s just forget history.  That&#039;s so last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utter bullshit.  You are trying to use your business case to spin a Republican rant that the financial crisis is all Obama&#8217;s fault.  Remember this great financial slide began in Sept &#8211; Dec of 2008, before Obama was in office.  This crisis was created, brewed, and served up by the Bush administration.  What happened to that surplus Clinton left to Bush?  Nah, let&#8217;s just forget history.  That&#8217;s so last month.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1139957</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I told my spouse just yesterday it was time to buy a few wheelbarrows while they&#039;re still cheap enough to buy. How eerie, Seattle Moss.&lt;/em&gt; 

Read yesterday that JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are buying up gold as a hedge. That&#039;s a sign of what they aren&#039;t telling you during those hearings in Congress. Hyper-inflation, devalued dollars, and other nightmarish futures for the American people.

Good diary, Seattle Moss, I&#039;ve read your comments with interest, and admiration. It&#039;s scary, and it&#039;s bad enough when it&#039;s your financial security at risk; but I think for business owners of small and mid-sized businesses, where you get to know your employees, it&#039;s doubly painful to know that you have a responsibility for their lives, too. 

I&#039;ve got good friends who are likely to lose their business, and it&#039;s painful to watch them struggle over it. I can do nothing but sympathize and support. They weren&#039;t paying attention to the signs, and now they&#039;re paying a heavy price. 

Thanks for telling your canary in the coal mine story, SeattleMoss. It&#039;s good anecdotal evidence of what&#039;s happening everywhere, and how people are dealing with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I told my spouse just yesterday it was time to buy a few wheelbarrows while they&#8217;re still cheap enough to buy. How eerie, Seattle Moss.</em> </p>
<p>Read yesterday that JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are buying up gold as a hedge. That&#8217;s a sign of what they aren&#8217;t telling you during those hearings in Congress. Hyper-inflation, devalued dollars, and other nightmarish futures for the American people.</p>
<p>Good diary, Seattle Moss, I&#8217;ve read your comments with interest, and admiration. It&#8217;s scary, and it&#8217;s bad enough when it&#8217;s your financial security at risk; but I think for business owners of small and mid-sized businesses, where you get to know your employees, it&#8217;s doubly painful to know that you have a responsibility for their lives, too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got good friends who are likely to lose their business, and it&#8217;s painful to watch them struggle over it. I can do nothing but sympathize and support. They weren&#8217;t paying attention to the signs, and now they&#8217;re paying a heavy price. </p>
<p>Thanks for telling your canary in the coal mine story, SeattleMoss. It&#8217;s good anecdotal evidence of what&#8217;s happening everywhere, and how people are dealing with it.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1139952</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you two are living in fantasy land; if you look in the help wanted ads in my local newspaper, i would say that 75% of the jobs advertised pay less than $10/hr.; that&#039;s less than 20K/year for people WORKING (not sitting on their asses) 40 hrs/week, 52 weeks/year.  what kind of national economy is going to be sustained by people making 20K/year??!!!  

jeezus f-ing christ; the rich have never been richer, but you&#039;re telling us working people who are taking pay CUTS (real and vs. inflation) all over the place that they aren&#039;t rich enough, and if we would just give them a little more of our paychecks, everything will be okay???!!!

it&#039;s &quot;class warfare&quot; to say &quot;we&#039;re being screwed by the aristocracy&quot; but it&#039;s not class warfare for the let-them-eat-cake crowd to screw us in the first place???  yeah, screw that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you two are living in fantasy land; if you look in the help wanted ads in my local newspaper, i would say that 75% of the jobs advertised pay less than $10/hr.; that&#8217;s less than 20K/year for people WORKING (not sitting on their asses) 40 hrs/week, 52 weeks/year.  what kind of national economy is going to be sustained by people making 20K/year??!!!  </p>
<p>jeezus f-ing christ; the rich have never been richer, but you&#8217;re telling us working people who are taking pay CUTS (real and vs. inflation) all over the place that they aren&#8217;t rich enough, and if we would just give them a little more of our paychecks, everything will be okay???!!!</p>
<p>it&#8217;s &#8220;class warfare&#8221; to say &#8220;we&#8217;re being screwed by the aristocracy&#8221; but it&#8217;s not class warfare for the let-them-eat-cake crowd to screw us in the first place???  yeah, screw that.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexisM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s none of the above and we&#039;re doomed for that exact thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s none of the above and we&#8217;re doomed for that exact thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support the concept that a democratically elected president of the United States is the current captain of the team.  I believe this one to be intelligent, capable, and committed to trying to be a good captain at a particularly difficult time.  I don&#039;t equate hoping for his success with treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the concept that a democratically elected president of the United States is the current captain of the team.  I believe this one to be intelligent, capable, and committed to trying to be a good captain at a particularly difficult time.  I don&#8217;t equate hoping for his success with treason.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1139936</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you Seattle Moss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you Seattle Moss.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13729/a-real-businessmans-story-as-the-canary-in-the-coalmine/#comment-1139935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exchange rate is a killer. We get Canadian money too. Last year Canadian money was high only because of Bush. I told all the Canadians to buy US currency because US currency would rise as soon as ANY new President was elected. Sure enough. The natural position of the Canadian dollar is below par.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exchange rate is a killer. We get Canadian money too. Last year Canadian money was high only because of Bush. I told all the Canadians to buy US currency because US currency would rise as soon as ANY new President was elected. Sure enough. The natural position of the Canadian dollar is below par.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew191</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just imagine how many wheelbarrows full of money we&#039;ll need to buy a roll of toilet paper!

Wait a minute,......... what was I thinking?

Nevermind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just imagine how many wheelbarrows full of money we&#8217;ll need to buy a roll of toilet paper!</p>
<p>Wait a minute,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; what was I thinking?</p>
<p>Nevermind.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiocracy08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idiocracy08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Botox Nancy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that BO-tox or BOT-ox?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Botox Nancy</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that BO-tox or BOT-ox?</p>
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