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“The Stimulus Tragedy” * Open Thread [with update]

(bumped up)

Update: And now here’s an au contrare, please (!), pro-stimulus op-ed in today’s Washington Post: “Why I Support the Stimulus.” And you won’t believe who wrote this. (The answer is at the end of the post.)

The Stimulus is a Tragedy
(or, my title: “Blowback from the Democrats’ Mad Hatter Rush”)
Wall Street Journal, February 7, 2009:

So there it is: Mr. Obama is now endorsing a sort of reductionist Keynesianism that argues that any government spending is an economic stimulus. This is so manifestly false that we doubt Mr. Obama really believes it. He has to know that it matters what the government spends the money on, as well as how it is financed. A dollar doled out in jobless benefits may well be spent by the worker who receives it. That $1 of spending will count as economic activity and add to GDP.

But that same dollar can’t be conjured out of thin air. The government has to take that dollar away from someone else — either in higher taxes, or by issuing new debt in the form of a bond. The person who is taxed or buys the bond will have $1 less to spend. If the beneficiary of that $1 spends it on something less productive than the taxed American or the lender would have, then the net impact on growth will be negative.

Some Democrats claim these transfer payments are stimulating because they go mainly to poor people, who immediately spend the money. Tax cuts for business or for incomes across the board won’t work, they add, because those tax cuts go disproportionately to “the rich,” who will save the money. But a saved $1 doesn’t vanish from the economy, unless it is stuffed into a mattress. It enters the financial system, where it is lent to others; or it is invested in the stock market as capital for businesses; or it is invested in entirely new businesses, which are the real drivers of job creation and prosperity.

More below on the silly, faux cuts from the stimulus package that is merely “window dressing”:

At the current moment, amid a capital strike, the latter is the kind of fiscal stimulus we really need. Yet there is virtually none of it in the bills now moving through Congress. Senate moderates may succeed in cutting $100 billion or so in spending from the bill, which is political window dressing. Even they aren’t talking about adding the kind of tax cuts that would really help the economy now. …

Read all.

No. Let’s not stop there. Here are the concluding two paragraphs, fodder for all of you THINKING READERS:

We should add how different this is from the 1980s or even the 1960s. Democrats added business tax cuts to the Reagan package of 1981, while Jack Kennedy’s chief economist (Walter Heller) promoted marginal rate tax cuts on stimulus grounds in the 1960s. Yet Mr. Obama, on Thursday, dismissed any such tax cuts as “the same tired arguments and worn ideas that helped to create this crisis.” That’s rhetoric for a campaign, not for a President hoping to rally bipartisan support.

The biggest gamble with this stimulus is what it means if the economy doesn’t recover. Monetary policy is already as stimulative as it can safely get, and the Obama Administration is set to announce its big financial fix on Monday. Stocks rallied Friday on expectations of the latter, despite the job loss report, with big bank stocks leading the way. If done right, this will help reduce risk aversion and gradually restore financial confidence.

We hope it does, because the size and waste of the stimulus means we won’t have much ammunition left. The spending will take the U.S. budget deficit up to some 12% of GDP, about double the peak of the 1980s and into uncharted territory. The tragedy of the Obama stimulus is that we are getting so little for all that money.

I hope you agree and disagree.

The point of this exercise? We need to talk more about this, and we need to contact our members of Congress — each of us in our own states and district — and urge them to scrutinize this “gamble” with great care and caution.

The biggest reasons I see that we MUST SPEAK OUT and DIRECTLY TO OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS is that this is being let loose by a ignorant President — if ever there were a reason to revive the once-great popularity of the book on the “Peter Principle”, which was all the rage 30 or so years ago — and the stubborn, blindered cause celebres of the all-too-powerful Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank.

Even though they never heard of the Peter Principle, most likely, every one of our grandparents knew the principles about NOT throwing GOOD MONEY after BAD.

Here’s another homily: “Waste makes haste.”

Then there’s good ol’ Ben: “A penny saved is a penny earned.”

And there’s always my mother’s favorite. “Use some good ol’ C.S.”

Above all, Mr. Obama’s franti protestations aside, we need to stop. And think.

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ARLEN SPECTER (!):

Why I Support the Stimulus

By Arlen Specter
Monday, February 9, 2009; Page A17

I am supporting the economic stimulus package for one simple reason: The country cannot afford not to take action.

The unemployment figures announced Friday, the latest earnings reports and the continuing crisis in banking make it clear that failure to act will leave the United States facing a far deeper crisis in three or six months. By then the cost of action will be much greater — or it may be too late.

Wave after wave of bad economic news has created its own psychology of fear and lowered expectations. As in the old Movietone News, the eyes and ears of the world are upon the United States. Failure to act would be devastating not just for Wall Street and Main Street but for much of the rest of the world, which is looking to our country for leadership in this crisis.

The legislation known as the “moderates” bill, hammered out over two days by Sens. Susan Collins, Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman and myself, preserves the job-creating and tax relief goals of President Obama’s stimulus plan while cutting less-essential provisions — many of them worthy in themselves — that are better left to the regular appropriations process.

Our $780 billion bill would save or create up to 4 million jobs, helping to offset the loss of 3.6 million jobs since December 2007. The bill cuts some $110 billion from the $890 billion Senate version, which would actually be $940 billion if floor amendments for tax credits on home and car purchases and money for the National Institutes of Health are retained.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the proposed cuts “do violence to what we are trying to do for the future,” especially on education. Her objections are a warning to conservatives that more cuts would be unlikely to win House approval. They are also an admission of the high price that moderates have been able to extract for their support of stimulus legislation.

If a stimulus bill doesn’t pass, there won’t be any money for Title I education programs. The moderates’ bill provides marginally less money for Title I than the House and Senate bills. But while it’s less than supporters want, this proverbial half a loaf beats no loaf by a mile. … Read it all.

  • http://baddemocrat08.wordpress.com/ obamastolemyboyfriend

    We should all be very afraid, IMO!

  • James

    Check out Krugman’s piece “The Destructive Center”. It was pretty good.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opinion/09krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    • DAB

      Thanks for the link. My favorite part in Krugman’s article is the conclusion:

      “For rather than acknowledge the failure of his political strategy and the damage to his economic strategy, the president tried to put a postpartisan happy face on the whole thing. “Democrats and Republicans came together in the Senate and responded appropriately to the urgency this moment demands,” he declared on Saturday, and “the scale and scope of this plan is right.”

      No, they didn’t, and no, it isn’t.”

    • Jaycephus

      ‘pretty good’ if you are an economic idiot, perhaps.

      The article left me with the impression that Krugman was possibly an english major at a community college, not an econmist.

      I guess he is an ‘economist’, but he’s the type that drove the Soviet Union to its own demise.

      And he’s the kind of dishonest punk that yells and screams about the need for ‘bipartisanship’ when the Left is out of power, but then castigates Congress and Obama when they exhibit even the rather pathetic and almost non-existent ‘bi-partisanship’ they’ve supposedly practiced in the last few weeks.

  • AlexisM

    Smoking Gun: Democrat Insider Says “Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System”

    Sunday, February 08, 2009

    “When the time comes, Lock & Load.”
    Judging by America’s reaction to takeover thus far the time will never come.
    Bunch of sheep!
    Enjoy your newly found servitude, Americans!
    I wouldn’t want to interrupt whatever you are doing right now to bring to your attention the fact that YOU ARE LOSING YOUR COUNTRY!!!
    “I can’t do anything”, “What can I do”, “I have a job”, “It’s someone else’s job, isn’t it?”, “Isn’t this why we elected our representatives?”
    …and on, and on, and on…
    I’m ashamed at the do-nothing, sorry-assed, apathetic bunch of lazy cowards that dare call themselves Americans yet sit on the side lines waiting for GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT to “save” them.
    Do you think you can continue to cruise along FAT, DUMB and HAPPY and take no part in this, thus far, ONE-SIDED WAR/SLAUGHTER OF FREEDOM?
    NO ONE’S COMING PEOPLE! NO ONE!
    IT’S WE AMERICANS WHO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
    THERE’S ONLY US!
    Christ, this is beyond frustrating to witness.
    We had all better stand up and fight or get used to living a life of servitude to the left’s agenda.
    A life lived as something other than a free people.
    Have you considered what that will be like FOR JUST A MOMENT????
    You think it’s hard to make ends meet now—you just wait until the left sinks their septic fangs into your family’s livelihood, baby—they have BIG plans for you and your children’s labor.
    Do you think 0bama is just kidding around when he touts “sacrifice”. He means it—deadly serious stuff. HE MEANS YOUR SACRIFICE. HE MEANS YOUR SPOUSE’S SACRIFICE. HE MEANS YOUR CHILDREN’S SACRIFICE.
    To these people paychecks aren’t private property THEY’RE BUT ANOTHER LEFTIST SUBSIDY!!!!!
    THEY OWN YOU!!!!
    FIGHT, OR LOSE IT ALL, AMERICA.
    The time is NOW! Not next week. Not next month. NOT WHEN IT GETS “BAD ENOUGH”. “BAD ENOUGH” to you bunch of sleepwalkers IS TOO TOO LATE!!!
    THEY OWN YOU!!!!

    • tek

      This is what I suspected all through the primary. It’s why these people were willing to do anything to get Obama in the WH. It isn’t just Obama’s patronage system, it’ll be all the top Democrats.

    • wodiej

      I agree. The problem is this country is overflowing w lazy, dumb people.

      • AlexisM

        That’s exactly what the problem is. People got in over their heads with the credit crunch. The credit cards, mortgages, college loans, you name it. Everyone was living way too large, beyond their means, and it crashed. Do people want to pitch in, tighten the belt, give up some things and bond together to solve this? Hell no. They want Obama to wave his magic wand and hand them more credit and more fine living. It’s disgusting.

        • NoBamaNoWay

          you have to consider the fact that the average workers’ “means” have been shrinking relative to the cost of the *bare necessities* that they need to live; this is at least in part responsible for their reliance on credit.

          on the flip side, corporate profits have been doing better than inflation for a long time, because they have been accumulating a larger share of the wealth generated by those at the bottom, which used to go into worker salaries. there’s the “redistribution of wealth” for you.

          the gap between the rich and poor has been increasing for decades; if giving the rich more money necessarily improves the economy and creates good jobs, then why has our economy been getting worse (for the average person) for decades?

          the biggest improvement occurred under bill clinton, where arguably the government favored working people over the wealthy – a tiny little bit more than usual. Bush2 changed that, the economy tanked, and yet there are people here who want more “supply-side,” give-aways to the rich.

  • AlexisM

    Susan,

    Thank you. I can just say that my group is faxing and calling like crazy to stop this. It’s my belief this will be the true end of us. It’s ridiculous, but what’s even more pathetic is the sheer volume of Sheeple who won’t read this bill, or controvert anything Obama and Pelosi say. It really is like we’ve gone to sleep as a people.

    I keep arguing with friends about this. Over and over. “Don’t defend this until you read it.” Maybe it helps. It just blows my mind that most intelligent people are saying this bill is nothing but Pelosi Pork, and the biggest pork bill in our history. Not only that, but it’s wanton, reckless spending on the backs of Americans, in a time when we don’t have the money for it.

    It shows that Pelosi and Obama are elitists scum, totally out of touch with true Americans. They have this One World agenda, this socialist vision of turning America into Cuba, and nothing is going to stop them. Not even the will of “We the People.” I pray that we have the strength to come together and impeach these people. Nothing else will work. Never.

  • frankly0

    I don’t know what to say other than that the article from the WSJ is based on nothing more than the worst sort of crackpot economics. Really, look at Krugman’s blog to see how many fallacies are contained in the notion that spending even borrowed money can’t be a stimulus because it offsets some supposed investment elsewhere.

    Again, the argument isn’t simply wrong. It’s crackpot.

    • AlexisM

      A rat with a lobotomy could read that bill and see it for what it is. People shouldn’t comment unless and until they have read it themselves IMO. That bill is crap and very little in there will help the American people.

      • frankly0

        The problem with the WSJ article is that its basic argument is itself not based on the particulars of the bill, but rather on the notion that, inherently, government spending does not create a stimulus because, supposedly, any dollar so spent merely offsets a dollar invested better elsewhere.

        This idea is crackpot. It violates well established principles in macroeconomics. See Krugman’s blog for details.

        • AlexisM

          franklyO, sorry but I am taking my own advice about that bill. I don’t need a left winger to tell me what to think, and I think Krugman is wrong. I read it. I have a brain. It’s crap and most people I respect feel the same way.

          As for Hillary? Are you kidding? She had a much better plan for this country and she would never allow that idiot Pelosi to get away with this Bacon Bill. But, that’s why Hillary’s not President after all. Pelosi couldn’t take a woman like Hillary running the country. So she got a puppet who doesn’t really give a damn, other than how he looks to us, because he’s already campaigning for his third and fourth terms.

          Hillary would laugh at this bill. Like any normal person. The far left took for granted that America had become a bunch of zombies, lazy asses who would just listen to what Jesus Lord Messiah Obama told them to do. Think again wingbats. It’s not going to happen that way. We love our country and will fight this pork crap as long as we can.

        • AlexisM

          franklyO…What kind of a dumbazz would listen to Krugman, the leftie liar? I don’t need someone to tell me the bill is crap or not. I read it. It’s crap. You should stop the partisan stuff and have your own mind about it.

          • frankly0

            When I read legislation that relates to economics, I think it helpful to read the thoughts of economists.

            You, apparently, don’t.

            • AlexisM

              LMFAO Bot. I’ve read the bill myself, and all of the relevant (note “relevant” not leftie propaganda) analyzes. And maybe you can put in your own words every single high point of that bill, like buying furniture, etc. that makes sense when we are broke? You can’t. You are repeating the Bot talk you are told to repeat and that’s sort of shameful since we’re in big trouble now.

              • frankly0

                Bot?

                Well, that’s a new one for me. I’d be offended if I weren’t so amused.

                Really, I could only look like a Bot to a wingnut, because that’s how far away you’d have to be to think Krugman or I are any kind of fans of Obama.

                • AlexisM

                  Well, let me say this…There’s no one I know who supports that Bacon Bill but a Bot. And, again, Krugman is wrong.

                  • Seattle Moss

                    Printing money only offsets the inevitable…
                    This is a Ponzi Economy and the market needs to work through the excesses and create a savings and producing economy
                    By printing all this money we devaluate the dollar and cause hyper inflation the likes that we have never seen before.

                    • lark

                      Yes, and then no amount of anger will help or drive the clock backwards. Then no amount of security will fill the unsecured feelings we all will have to endure.

                      It is completely unnecessary but our so called representatives are setting our future ablaze.

            • Jaycephus

              That statement just proves you are not a serious thinker. Serious people read serious, working economists. You go and read Krugman. Wow.

            • Ferd Berfle

              I think it helpful to read the thoughts of economists.

              Which ones? The ones who got us into this mess or the ones who are going to get us into an even bigger mess?

              • PKJayne

                Afternoon Ferd!

                Peter Schiff is usually straight on ;)

                Some of them are waking up. It’s taken a while and in my view a little too late.

              • Ellen D

                The problem is that Economics is not a science.

        • Jaycephus

          Explain how buying 100′s of millions of dollars worth of furniture, likely built in a Chinese factory, stimulates the U.S. economy in any way whatsoever.

          Explain how the 4.1 billion made available for ACORN is going to stimulate the economy?

          If you or Krugman are arguing that Government spending is ‘inherently stimulating’, then you are the crackpots. The article states explicitly that a $1 given out by the gov’t may be counted as a $1 of GDP, but it all depends how the recipient spends it. The article is merely making the common sense point that IT MATTERS WHAT THE MONEY IS SPENT ON! It also matters where it comes from. For a ‘real’ dollar to be spent this year, it has to be borrowed, taxed from someone, or printed. Period. In our current situation, it can only come from borrowing now, (and taxing much more later on to pay for it), or printing it. Either option has especially negative consequences in our present situation, given the amount of $800 billion or so that will finally be approved.

          If Krugman is ignoring the above points, then he is the crackpot.

          • AlexisM

            Never mind that all of this borrowing is destroying our AAA credit rating. Which means we pay more for the money anyway. The far left doesn’t get that their socialist bill will never get money in the hands of the people, where it belongs. And, yeah, I want some Obot to tell me why buying furniture from China helps Americans. What a joke.

            • sowsear

              How about this expenditure?
              Obama Decrees: Massive Immigration of Hamas Refugees from Gaza
              Obama has signed a presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States.

              By executive order, on January 27, (Federal Register on February 4) Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in urgent migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza to resettle in the United States . Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who are loyalists to Hamas, at American taxpayer expense.
              Obama’s most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:
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              The US is bankrupt; Americans are losing their jobs; Muslims in other countries are demanding Sharia Courts, etc. Why would any sane person want to do this?

              • NoBamaNoWay

                hey, are you an islamo-phobe??!! just kidding. leftists flipped out about anyone suggesting that obama may be a little too closely tied to anti-american islamists, but it looks like the chickens are already coming home to roost. can’t wait until these folks gain a majority in some city/county/state and they start passing laws taking away american democracy, equal rights for women, religious equality, etc.

          • frankly0

            I have no problem with looking at the bill carefully to see if it really stimulates the economy — in fact, that’s a very important thing to do, and something that Krugman himself has been quite insistent to do.

            But that is NOT what the WSJ article is saying. It is, instead making the general claim that spending by the government is inherently less of a stimulus than not doing so, that every dollar spent on government spending is a dollar better left as “private investment”, which, supposedly, will stimulate the economy only more.

            That is the crackpot, intellectually indefensible idea. That is what is contradicted by every accepted macroeconomics textbook.

            • AlexisM

              Here’s a pretty accurate commentary on the “scamulus” bill:

              The Pelosi Placebo, or how to anesthetize the economy for fun and profit

              Posted By Roger Kimball On February 8, 2009

              The first thing we have to do is stop calling it a “stimulus package.”

              In an earlier post, I described it in passing as the [1] Pelosi Placebo–”Pelosi,” after the person primarily responsible for overseeing this “[2] legislative abomination,” “Placebo,” “something lacking intrinsic remedial value and that is done or given to humor another.” In this case, “another” are congressional Democrats who have been straining at the bit for years to glom on to your money for this or that spending spree and have suddenly hit upon a new formula: “People don’t like it when we go massively into debt in order to act out our redistributionist spending fantasies, so let’s not call it the mother of all spending bills (which is what it really is) but, rather, a ’stimulus package.’ It will take ages for the suckers whose lives we run to notice that the only thing this trillion dollars stimulates is credulousness.”

              As [3] Karl Rove noted in The Wall Street Journal the other day, what Congress is preparing to shove down our throats is “a mammoth spending bill, not a stimulus or jobs package.”

              It is not surprising that the stimulus package is laden with new spending programs. Congressional appropriators, not job creators, wrote H.R. 1. Much of it is spending Democrats couldn’t get approved in the normal course of affairs. And it should not shock Americans that Democratic appropriators would funnel tax dollars to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, unions and other liberal special interests.

              Rove is right, but he really should follow his own point and refrain from calling this piece of legislative larceny a “stimulus package.” It is not a stimulus package, except in the derivative sense that it can be counted upon to stimulate that appetite for ever more government spending.

              It’s not a stimulus package. Then what is it? A fraud on the taxpayer? Yes. A massive transfer payment to various Democratic special interests? Yes. Another notch in the ratchet that is pushing the United States in the direction of top-down bureaucratic socialism à la Sweden? You betcha. Mark Steyn produced what is perhaps the most vivid analogy. You know that unemployed mother of six who, thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, just gave birth to another 8 babies? She’s been all over the news and has been the [4] object of lots of finger waving. But why criticize her for irresponsibility when your government (forgive that anachronistic “your”) is doing the same thing, but on a much, much bigger scale. As [5] Steyn explains,

              last week, I got a little muddled over two adjoining newspaper clippings – one on the stimulus, the other on those octuplets in California – and for a brief moment the two stories converged. Everyone’s hammering that mom – she’s divorced, unemployed, living in a small house with parents who have a million bucks’ worth of debt, and she’s already got six kids. So she has in vitro fertilization to have eight more. But isn’t that exactly what the Feds have done? Last fall, they gave birth to $850 billion of bailout they couldn’t afford and didn’t have enough time to keep an eye on, and now, four months later, they’re going to do it all over again, but this time they want trillionuplets. Barney and Nancy represent the in vitro fertilization of the federal budget. And it’s the taxpayers who’ll get stuck with the diapers.

              And diapers, of course, are only the beginning of the unpleasant byproducts this orgy of spending will create. Even the [6] Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 7 percent of the zillions of dollars Congress is about to extract from your pocket would “be injected into the economy by the end of fiscal year 2009. More than $200 billion of ’stimulus’ funds will be spent between fiscal year 2010 and fiscal year 2019 — long after the recession is projected to be over.” Former scourge of feminists, now White House economic advisor, Larry Summers said that any stimulus must be “targeted, timely and temporary.” Good luck, Larry! Karl Rove is right: “This bill does the opposite. Mr. Obama pledged to ’scour our federal budget, line by line, and make meaningful cuts.’ His cuts are unspecific and fanciful, while Congress’s spending will be real and record-setting. Discretionary domestic spending will have nearly doubled by the time Mr. Obama stops dithering and starts scouring.”

              Everybody noted how Obama stopped talking “hope and change” and started warning about “catastrophe” as soon as serious opposition to his profligate spending plan showed itself. He wants the money, he wants it now, and he wants it to “spread the wealth around,” pay back his constituents, and acclimate more people to government handouts. “[7] I won,” Obama said when Republicans in the Senate had the temerity to question the wisdom of his spending blowout. Yes, he won alright. But how about the rest of us?

            • AlexisM

              Krugman is wrong. I’m not an economics whiz and I can tell fat from stimulus. Come on. Like I said…go take every little piece of spending and come back and tell us where the jobs are.

            • Jaycephus

              And again, you dodged the point, and continued to lie about what the WSJ article actually said.

              You have to be a moron AND a crackpot to say that government spending is automatically better than ‘nothing’. And that is the heart of all the pro-stimulus-bill arguments, including Krugman’s. (And I’m speaking of ‘this’ particular bill, not the idea of stimulus in some other form.)

              The heart of this is that we are going to take money we don’t have and ‘inject’ it exactly where it will do the LEAST good. Sure, building a bridge here, an admin building over there, etc. is going to create GDP (again, at the expense of a much greater amount of future GDP!!!) And once the bridge to nowhere is built, that’s it. It generates no extra GDP. Best case, the bridge might help a tiny bit on an ongoing basis, but since America doesn’t have a bridge-deficit problem, there is really not much to be gained.

              Meanwhile, we have people like Krugman, Pelosi, and Obama outright LYING about how bad this crisis is, what originally got us into this, and HOW QUICKLY WE NEED TO ACT, or we’ll “NEVER RECOVER”.

              • Mary

                Krugman has actually said it’s a pretty crappy bill, but it’s all we got, and must be passed.

                It is Obama who gave Pelosi the $800 billion amount and then let her fill in the blanks by her House members giving her their wish lists.

                The FAILURE here is that Obama showed no leadership with his own Democrats, and stupidly gave the Republicans ammunition for their arguments.

                That’s Obama’s fault, and no one else’s.

                The fact that he called Snowe, Specter, and Collins to THANK them for their “patriotism” and help, has angered his Democratic supporters.

                Watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.

                • AlexisM

                  Exactly how in the hell does a bunch of greedy pork barrel politicians sending in their “wish lists” stimulate the economy? That’s the point. Obama showed zero leadership in this situation. None. Asking a bunch of greedy pigs what they would like for Christmas in their stocking, in a spending spree bill, has nothing whatsoever to do with economics and how to stimulate the economy. Pelosi is more to blame than Obama IMO. She got him where he is, thinking she could push him around like a dog. (She knew better with Hillary). She should have then consulted real economists about this, rather than just have people writing Dear Santa letters for some porky bs bill.

                  • Mary

                    True all dat.

                    But like Daschle’s nomination, Obama and his staff thought they could ride on their positive poll numbers (as in Pelosi saying “We won”) and literally had NO IDEA there would be such a backlash…..to Daschle AND this crappy bill.

                    Obama still had his head in the clouds, and outsourced the shaping of his own bill to Pelosi.

                    FOOL.

                    • AlexisM

                      Yeah, Mary, and it’s pretty funny to watch. Three weeks in and Pelosi is taking some serious heat for screwing up so badly. You have to at least get a giggle out of that one. I say by 2010 she’s way under the bus, and rightfully so.

                    • AlexisM

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPqlsaObS7A&feature=email

                      Aftermath of an Obama Presidency and how to avoid it. Looks like even young people are figuring out we got conned big time!

                    • Jaycephus

                      About Krugman not liking the bill, his beef amounted to “it’s too small”, and “there’s way too much ‘tax-cuts’ in it”. He literally can not find anything wrong with it except for that.

                      My take is that a very large number of people thought Obama really was going to be ‘different’. I didn’t drink the koolaid, and knew that I would fundamentally disagree with his foundational philosophies, but even I thought he’d be a little different from the typical Washington pol, maybe, but he’s shaping up to be the biggest Washington pol ever.

                      Is Matthews’ leg still tingling?

                    • Mary

                      Fair enough.

                      I always knew he was just another pol, but as an English major, all that lofty HopeNChange stuff is often just rhetoric.

                      I’m reading that if you add up all the miscellaneous pieces of this continual…..give us the monoey or we’ll have a catastrophe…..we’ve basically spent $9.7 TRILLION on bailouts.

                      And that’s not even including the $10 trillion Dubya left us with.

                      It’s just STUNNING, really, where our country has come to.

                      I gave up paying any attention whatsoever to Matthews 2 years ago. Don’t know, don’t care , if he’s tingling. :)

    • AlexisM

      Yeah this is really genius.

      Sunday, February 08, 2009

      $300 Million for GOLF CARTS/ Hybrids in Stimulus

      Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 10:07 PM

      $300 million has been allocated in the stimulus bill for modern golf carts and other forms of environmentally friendly modes of transportation.

      The Democrats thought they could fool you by renaming the money earmarked for golf carts in the stimulus bill as paying for “neighborhood electric vehicles” and “low speed motor vehicles.”

      Industry people call ‘em NEV’s for short. Most people call them golf carts.

      $300 million is being allocated by the Senate to buy “NEV’s” and other forms of environmentally friendly transportation like hybrid cars.

      It’s right on page 96 of the massive 778-page bill. Go ahead and look it up. Here is what it says:

      ENERGY-EFFICIENT FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE FLEET PROCUREMENT: For capital expenditures and necessary expenses of acquiring motor vehicles with higher fuel economy, including: hybrid vehicles; neighborhood electric vehicles; electric vehicles; and commercially-available, plug-in hybrid vehicles, $300,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2011.
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      • Ferd Berfle

        Golf carts? LMAO. Let’s spend money on vehicles meant to move people from point A to point B on a golf course AND not get any exercise while they’re doing it. Better put roll bars on them so that the overstuffed occupants don’t get hurt when they capsize the stupid things. Those corpulent porkers in DC–bah.

        • AlexisM

          Ferd…all I can say at this point it Oink Oink Oink.

        • wodiej

          No kidding. How about walking, riding a bicycle, taking the bus or subway? Good exercise, won’t cost a thing and would help the bus, subway and bicycle companies.

        • PKJayne

          The golf carts will be needed for the new frisbee golf greens……doncha know ;)

          • AlexisM

            The sad thing is…The Bots who voted for the Obamanation didn’t read the Bacon Bill and never will. I think they hold out hope still that they are going to get their free ride, their mortgages paid, their cars paid off, etc. Boy is Obama going to take it in the shorts big time when this Fatty Fat Oink Bill does nothing but make it worse. I think Pelosi will be lucky if the Obama Bus doesn’t flatten her like a cartoon character at that point.

    • beebop

      Uninformed Demonazis are posting that the $15k tax credit is for house flippers. I would roll on the ground laughing, but it is so sad that they don’t possibly comprehend either the words or the spirit of “first time home buyers.” Too bad they are so embittered by GOP that they just can’t stand to consider for one single moment that the Democraps(sic) are second verse, same as the first.

  • Bazooka

    Love to have seen what McCain’s or Clinton’s solutions would have been?

    The near collapsing banking system and the spirallig down economy are not easy problems to solve by anyone.

    It is all partisan politics at this point. Democrats would be complaining if McCain was in power, although I believe they would have been more willing to work with MCain than the Republicans are with Obama.

    I am sure Hillary’s plan would have been much the same as Obama’s, as she would have been listening to the same economic advisors.

    I appreciate the anger directed at government, as this is not an easy time. The government is always an easy target, but the first place people go to find help when they get themselves into trouble is often the government.

    You people that are trashing the stimulus, I hope you are right, as the risk of doing nothing or not doing it in a timely fashion are also great.

    Unless of course you are a true Darwanist and believe that people should be allowed to fail and we will give them no help, even through by giving them help it may also help us and the whole.

    • AlexisM

      Bazooka.

      Not partisan at all and that’s a cop out from the far left. Read the bill yourself, come back, and tell us what it stimulates. Jeez. Putting money back in the pockets of Americans, where it belongs, would help. No one is saying to “do nothing.” But this is a joke.

      • Bazooka

        AlexisM,

        I have read the bill, as least how it was initially presented. There is plenty of stimulus in the bill.

        40% tax cuts and the vast majority of the rest goes into infrastructure. $32 billion for energy transmission, $30 bn for highway construction, $10 billion for transit and rail, $31 bn for modernizing federal buildings, $6 bn for broadband, $30 bn for bridges, $20 bn for school construction, etc. etc. etc. Much of it is also considered investing in the country, which should help in the long-term. Most of this is off-the-shelf stuff ready to go that will immediate create jobs and put people to work, which will then have a mulitplier effect and put more people to work.

        Pumping almost a trillion dollars into the economy, with most of that coming in the next 18 months will help, but not sure if it will help enough, but at least it is doing something.

        This is not a joke whatsoever. A lot of serious people and smart mines working on this. To just right this off as a joke is nothing but politics and frankly a joke. Countries all over the word are doing this right now.

        Have you read the bill and what is in it yoursefl?

        Here it is:

        http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf

        • AlexisM

          Bazooka,

          Yes I have. And it’s full of fat. Period. And it’s just to “write” this off as a joke…but maybe that was a subconscious partisan comment.

          And you are wrong. Period. Most of the money has no oversight, and has to filter through the people allocating it which can take years. Most of it won’t be available until at least 2010. This is a joke. Period. No Obot pushing it is going to change that. We should just let the left pass it and destroy America so we can get rid of Obama asap. But some of us love our country too much to watch that happen. It’s a fat bacon pork bill that is nothing but Pelosi’s socialist agenda. Period. Nothing you can say can change the fact that people with brains know better.

          • Bazooka

            Well you have a very broad and expansive view of fat and that is only your opinion.

            Not sure what you mean by “no oversight” and what does that have to do with your point. Oversight and stimulus are two completely different issues.

            Not sure where you are getting your facts on most of it coming in 2010? The Republicans are repeating a false CBO report that was never issues. See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/a-controversial-cbo-repor_n_160495.html

            “Zandi is chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com of West Chester, Pa. His projection last week that the House-passed stimulus measure would create 3 million jobs by the end of 2010..”

            http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-fact-check-stimulus-jobs,0,5972341.story

            However, it just might be 2010 before the cash rolls the way the Republicans are acting.

            There is likely to be no pork in the bill. The Republicans were complaining about $17 bn or just under 2% of the bill. Most of that is now out. The rest of the bill is for some very good infrastructure spending that will not only create jobs, but is an investment in the country.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Not sure what you mean by “no oversight” and what does that have to do with your point. Oversight and stimulus are two completely different issues.

              Oversight-it means ensuring that the authorized funds are spent in the manner that they were intended.

              I have worked for a government contractor for over 18 years. I can tell you that over the course of the last 8 years, the oversight has been nonexistent. When you are talking about the amount of money to be spent, oversight becomes critical. I don’t believe this Administration will be competent enough to ensure proper expenditures.

              • AlexisM

                Correct, Ferd, but it will take years for the people allocating it to set up the systems too. No oversight, no jobs created, the money won’t drop until 2010 or longer, and people wonder why we think this is the biggest con job and crap sandwich ever?

            • AlexisM

              LMFAO Spoken like a true, dedicated Bot. Sorry pal, I know better. And you can tell a Bot by this…Well the GOP was “only griping about $17 Billion.” 1) That’s not true. But, 2) “Only 17 Billion?” WTH is the matter with you? Do you know how much money that is, even in Bot Land? You people kill me. “A Billion here, Ten Billion there…” Thank God the GOP is showing some balls and fiscal responsibility. Because when this fat pig implodes, it’s all on the Dimocrats.

              • Mary

                Here’s the true irony of the Bots’ ignorance:

                They don’t KNOW that Obama didn’t realize what Pelosi’s House put in the bill, until the Republicans actually read it and complained.

                Had the Repubs not actually read the damn thing, Obama’s Dems would have passed the whole crap sandwich.

                And those tax cuts the Bots are complaining about, because it’s “failed Republican policy?”

                Those tax cuts are DEMOCRATIC tax cuts for the middle class. The same ones Obama promised in the campaign.

                Stupid Bots.

                • AlexisM

                  You are 100% right Mary and that’s why Pelosi and Obama have been on the outs. As in Pelosi complaining that Obama drove the bus over her several times. Why would that be the case? Because Obama looks bad, rightfully so, for not minding the store. For not even bothering to read the Bacon Bill and letting that idiot Pelosi dictate the terms. The Bots should be grateful the GOP caught the crap sandwich before we all went to hell. We will still go to hell if that thing passes, just maybe slower.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Well, I would have loved to seen how Hillary would’ve handled this as well. But we won’t thanks to uninformed twits who thought Barky would save the world. He can’t even wrangle up enough backbone to do the hard work to save this economy because it will cost him his office in 2012. So he’ll just continue to placate to whomever he thinks will help him hold onto office and hope the economy sorts itself out. He hopes the economy will change. Thanks a bunch, Bazooka.

      • Bazooka

        it would have been no different for Hillary… she would have gotten bashed for a stimulus plan… end of the day the Republicans do not want the democrats to succeed.

        Hillary is actually more polarizing, so the attacks may have been far worse…

        • AlexisM

          That’s again not true. And since Obama tended to co-opt every single thing SOS Clinton said, stole her ideas and plans, he might have been better off doing so this time, rather than relying on Pelosi to bury him. Which is what she is doing.

        • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

          The stench of kool-aid

          The Obots are still here with their BS and WORM

          (WORM = what obama really means)

          Obots have no critical thinking ability.

          GODDESS save us from Obots.

        • gaindenpendent

          Yes, it would’ve been different with Hillary becuase she wouldn’t have let the garbage into the bill that dilutes any good that might be in the bill. Secondly, she would’ve explained to the american people why they need the bill and what it will do not issue threats about how it’s an emergency and it must be done. Obama sounds just like W. before Iraq. GIMME WHAT I WANT OR ELSE!

          • AlexisM

            Exactly…Obama fearmongering and threatening America that the Depression will occur tomorrow if we don’t pass the Bacon…that’s disgraceful and exactly not what a leader does. Hillary would have been open to bi-partisan negotiating, reached across the aisle, worked with her friend McCain, etc. There’s no hope for America with Obama. He doesn’t care. All he wants is to get his way so he can pay back all the favors he owes.

      • Chris

        Apparently, the community organizer’s little stipend will kick in, oh, around 2010 just in time to “fund” Ob’s boots on the ground to push his campaign for re-election and the Dems agenda into overdrive. I guess that’s stimulating jobs, sort of. What a disgusting joke all this is. So funny I forgot to laugh.

      • Love Welcome Back Carteh’s moniker

        Ever the campaigner- that’s all he knows how to do..that and grossly waste any money within his control.

    • Ferd Berfle

      although I believe they would have been more willing to work with MCain than the Republicans are with Obama.

      GIGO. Where do you get this unfiltered tripe?

    • wodiej

      OINK, OINK.

    • lark

      McCain would have reformed the IRS and Clinton would have instituted a ‘Rent to Own’ program for all of those who face foreclosure proceedings.

      • AlexisM

        I distinctly recall Hillary having plans that directly dealt with the mortgage crisis. And I remember them making sense. Nothing in the Bacon Bill will fix that mess.

    • Nocturnal Warrior

      The difference is Hillary and her people would have had much more direct input in crafting the bill. She rolls up her sleeves and works. She would have never left all the details to Pelosi and Obey. Since she actually spent her time on Capitol Hill working (unlike Obama) she actually knows how things work.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Since the Chinese are the ones who do own us, will we see unrestricted legal immigration for China coming soon?

    Since they own us on paper, when will they take possession? As Seattle noted the other day, this is Canada’s illegal immigrant problem…being taken over by Asians.

    Fax, call, email. Even Feinstein has reservations about voting for this atrocity. Put on some pressure. That’s how we shot down the take over of SS as well as the illegal immigration “reform” a couple of years ago. We scared the bejesus out of the clowns and they thought just maybe they wouldn’t be re-elected.

    I don’t know about you, but I will not vote for any incumbent for anything.

    • AlexisM

      Yes it’s true about Canada. I remember going to Vancouver for the first time and I thought I was in Hong Kong or something. It was overwhelming. And that was many years ago, like 1996.

      I wouldn’t worry about the Chinese coming here though. If Obama and Pelosi get their way, this country will be such a crap hole that no one will want to come here. The Mexicans will start running the other way, back to Mexico.

      • Winston

        AlexisM,

        You are on fire. Keep fighting. That’ all I can say.

        • AlexisM

          Winston LOL…Really? I guess becoming America’s number 1 patriot is rather fun. The only thing we have as a resource to fight the Obamanation of America is information.

      • http://tojo toni

        They already have. They are leaving Colorado in droves for Mexico or California. Of course, I don’t see them leaving like they came…in chartered, air conditioned buses.

    • AlexisM

      Annie…have you seen the group CAPS? Californians for Population Stabilization? I joined it. Hopefully they can do some good and stop this influx of illegals.

    • Bazooka

      there is no immigration problem in Canada….. a bit racist to say it is being taken over by Chinese. just like America was taken over by the Irish in the 1800s… or the Scandinavians and Ukranians in the mid-west after world war two…

      the vast majority of the Chinese in Canada came there legal..

      without the Chinese you would have not been able to live your cushy lifestyle….. they keep your Wal-Mart product prices low and they lend you the money to buy the products…

      • AlexisM

        It’s not “racist” Botzooka…it’s the truth. Maybe you should make your way to Vancouver some time. Without Americans you wouldn’t be able to sit on your Bot Butt all day blogging. So maybe you should think about that and where your own loyalties should lie.

      • Ferd Berfle

        The racist card is ineffective here, peashooter. Try coming up with a valid argument as to why the original commenter was incorrect. Your comparison to the US was also faulty in that the Irish came here due primarily to the potato blight.

      • Rob G in Chicago

        The majority of the Chinese families came to Canada when the Brits gave Hong Kong back to the Chinese. The Canadians had a very liberal investment visa that allowed Chinese with lots of money to invest in Canada, and acquire permanent residency. Billions of dollars flowed to Canada through that program. The U.S. has an investment visa as well, but it is not “user friendly”, and most investors are reluctant to subject their worldwide income to U.S. taxation. Many of the asian youth in Vancouver are second generation from the Hong Kong exodus.

  • Sassy

    Thank goodness someone still values a dollar!
    Every dollar I spend helps a retailer and their employees.
    Every dollar I deposit in the bank helps that institution pay salaries and make loans for the needs of the borrowers.
    The key to our economy is good jobs for the populace, who in turn can plan budgets, and all of us pulling together.
    Why anyone thinks that blowing a trillion dollars on some of the stupid provisions in this bill will help is beyond my comprehension!

    • lark

      True

  • Docelder

    People don’t get it. All this time people have misguided their anger and fears. The left has a definite target… it is the “middle class”. This has been disguised in many “us vs. them” scenarios. They have played us all against ourselves. The left adore the rich, be they bankers, celebrities etc. and they coddle the poor, knowing they are compliant. The left have no real compassion for the poor. The poor are just “already there”. The “middle class” is the fly in the ointment. What the left doesn’t need is a group of people who still believe that their children can grow up to be anything they want. A group who still believe in “anything” basically. The left wants us all beat down and downtrodden… relying on gracious handouts from the powers that be. O.K. call me kooky if you want. Just follow the money. Follow the bailout money. Watch as it goes to banks to buy the assets of lesser banks. Watch all these foreclosed homes and company assets become assets of the large banks. Witness the biggest transfer of real wealth in the history of man. See hyperinflation, foreclosure, and medical bills and the rest… do the job that bullets could never do to us as a free people. We can still stop this. This is not set in stone.

    • AlexisM

      Docelder, you are right. You can even tell when the Obot trolls come here. They ridicule Middle America…they say “no one in Texas graduated from college and they’re all a bunch of redneck yahoos.” They make the most condescending comments about the little people who work hard to keep this country strong. They make me sick to my stomach and Obama feels the same way. That Joe the Plumber doesn’t really need to exist and should be put out to pasture for being worthless. Guess what? This is America. If these elitist creeps don’t like what a real American is in Ohio, Missouri, Texas, etc. then they are welcome to leave. Some days I just wish Obama would take his loser elitist nuts and start a new country and leave America alone. We’re not going to survive him I am afraid.

      • Docelder

        Crazy as it sounds… and this may sound crazy… the fastest way to help this is for people to believe in the “middle class” again. People need to believe in America. People need to believe to believe their children can grow up to be anything and that anything is possible. All of this is of no use without a solution. Here is the crazy part… If Obama could be convinced to believe himself… he could sell the idea. If there’s one thing he is it’s a great salesman. If we could get him to believe in America. Believe in the middle class. Believe in our future… believe we have a future and that we deserve a future… not just say it for elections sake, but really believe it… then I think he could pass it on. This might be our craziest and best if not only hope.

        • AlexisM

          And that, Docelder, is the difference of having McCain lead this country. He is America’s biggest cheerleader and loves this country more than his own life. Can you imagine the difference? He would never give that Doom and Gloom speech, or talk down to Americans. Never. We would all get up in the morning with real hope, not the fear that Obama’s crappy lies about Hope are now transforming into. Obama doesn’t have a vision and never did.

          • Jaycephus

            You are so right. Weird how HOPE turned into GLOOM and DOOM. And all this over a massive bill that WILL pass. It’s not like they don’t have the majority or something. So what happens in a year when this ‘stimulus’ has only made it worse? HOW can they possibly cast blame on anyone else? Politically, they are scratching on the eightball shot. ‘Pool term’ for setting themselves in the worst possible postion while giving the Republican’s an easy win.

            • AlexisM

              All I can say is Midterms and 2012 are going to be a “gimme” for the GOP. They already have Michael Steele kicking leftie butt and telling the truth about the scum in DC. I’m ready. If we have to let them pass this bill, so be it. We won’t like what happens to this country, but we will ensure that people like Pelosi and Obama don’t get near the White House for another century.

        • lark

          believe in the “middle class” again

          You mean ‘believe in engineers again.’ What happened is that engineers became slaves of computers and became complacent as ‘true leftist’ that all they needed to do as engineers was to design to the prevailing codes.

          What kills America is that America’s architects and engineers are zombies.

    • cynic

      Which “biggest transfer of wealth in the history of man” are we talking about here?

      The trillions in petro-dollars a USA hopelessly hooked on foreign oil has sent overseas?

      The trillions in government-backed IOUs we’ve handed to China and other foreign entities–along with millions of our domestic manufacturing jobs?

      Or the historical upward transfer of wealth in the USA itself during the last three republican administrations, which has left the bottom 40% of the population holding less than 0.2% of the entire wealth of the nation and the top 10% now owning over 71% of everything? (Over 35% of the total wealth is concentrated into the hands of less than 1% of the population.)

      I think the middle and working classes have identified an entirely proper target for their own anger. Witness the outcome of the last two elections. They’re not asking for handouts. They want a leveled playing field.

      That’s what the democrats are selling.

      • AlexisM

        Well, cynic, if the left would let us drill our own oil, we wouldn’t have that so-called petro-dollars transfer of wealth. Oops, Obama banned drilling in the US, didn’t he? Wonder why. Could it be that he was taking big money from oil millionaires in Texas too? I distinctly remember an Obot bragging to me that Obama went to dinner at a major oil mogul’s home for dinner in Houston and walked out with a 1.8 Million Dollar check….Hmmmm…could it also be that Obama favors the Arab countries and doesn’t want to cut off their money supply? Hmmm….

        Obama’s plan isn’t “leveling the playing field.” It’s pay to play payback for his “selection.”

        • cynic

          Obama banned drilling in the US, didn’t he?

          Not so far as I know–unless you’re talking about the scheme to suck ANWR dry to make billions for the oil industry on the global market. That I resist wholeheartedly. Experts agree it wouldn’t significantly drop domestic prices or significantly increase domestic supplies, and those small gains would be years off.

          Last I heard, some stimulus package provisions provided substantial funding for alternative energy development and research into clean coal technology. (The latter I’m skeptical about. From all I’ve seen, clean coal isn’t feasible.)

          Big oil doesn’t need subsidies or incentives. They made out like bandits while we were flirting with $4-a-gallon gas. If it needs anything, it needs a watchdog. They already hold leases in the lower 48 they aren’t exploiting.

          • Docelder

            Yep, that’s the “air our tires up” and we won’t need it oil supply that we heard about in the elections. Maybe we ought to let petroleum geologists pick the drilling spots… and Pelosi can just work on “saving the planet” some other way. Maybe somebody in academia could actually work on an alternative to petroleum… instead of figuring out whether using it will make us warmer or cooler 1000 years from now. Maybe Pelosi and Gore might “eat their own dog food” and sell their own jets. Or, maybe they might just “cool their jets”. Either one would actually be an improvement.

          • AlexisM

            cynic…you make no sense. Sorry. Do you know who some of the biggest contributors for R&D of alternative sources are? The oil companies. Come on. Not only that, but you really should look at who benefits per gallon of gas. Federal taxes take most of it. The oil companies get a few cents on the dollar. Jeez. It’s a shame that Americans know nothing about oil and geopolitics. Nothing whatsoever. Oil = Republicans, right? That’s the pathetic meme. Obama doesn’t care about you or your alternative energy stuff. He’s in the pockets of the oil companies like you thought Bush was. Even though most people don’t really know the history of Bush’s grandfather and how he was screwed by the oil industry. Oh yeah, I forgot, Iraq is about oil…ROFLMAO!

          • AlexisM

            Oh yeah cynic…Bush lifted the ban on offshore drilling, remember? Remember that Pelosi the Pig refused to convene Congress to vote on it? Until people forced them to turn the lights back on? Wonder why that is? Hmmm…But I do know that the minute Bush lifted that ban, oil went in the toilet. Now “as far as I know” Obama reinstated that ban already.

            • Peggy Sue

              This is the song of the Luddites, Alexis. If they had their way, we’d all be living in huts without light or heat, waiting for the Golden Day: Green Energy.

              And eating grass. My God, don’t touch those “sea kittens.” PETA wouldn’t like it.

              Hello? What about the bridge to get to the future? You know, the one we’d all like to have? As for food? I’ll eat what I damn well please, thank you very much.

              But when it comes to energy? We should rely on enemies to fuel our cars and heat our houses. Yet, they hate us and would kill us in a New York miniute [and have]. Drill at home? Perish the thought.

              This is the whacked out logic guiding this whole argument: Pie in the Sky; Obama Save Us; there is a magic unicorn for each and every citizen.

              Pardon me while I gag. I’m beyond disgusted with the hippy-dippy train of thought.

              As for your “Smoking Gun” article:

              “When the time comes, lock and load.”

              Frankly, I’m with New Hampshire in this matter: Live Free or Die.

              Those are American words. Read ‘em and weep.

              And one more thing. Without a middle class? We have no frigging democracy.

  • Jaycephus

    Good post. But I think you mean “Haste makes Waste”

    We are literally on a path of making a mere recession into a really bad depression. And it’s all going to be on the head of the Democrats, and no amount of lies by the likes of Krugman is going to divert the blame from the Democrats. Obama is going to get what he says he needs to ‘fix’ the economy, and when it doesn’t work, even those Obama supporters who wrongly believe ‘deregulation’ and ‘tax-cuts’ caused the recession are going to be wondering why The One, backed by a Democrat Congress, couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty back together.

    I recommend to those who want to know what really caused the current mess, and what the bailouts and ‘stimulus’ are about to do to us to read “Meltdown” by Thomas E. Woods.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Oh yes, and the only thing Obama does, campaign reading someoneelses words in speeches off teleprompters to look in to a camera, is what he’s set to repeat.

    As he shows, he doesn’t work well with others and as he plays his political grandstanding and calling names and the blame game to the people he’s asking support of, for the previous presidents actions, when he himself was part of the voting Senate during the full 2nd term of this president, he is showing nothing close to those empty campaign promises.

    And now he heads of to Elkhart,IN, to show how his stimulus will help them. Elkhart, because they are the capitol for RV home manufacturing. ?????? And he’s telling us he wants to use stimulus money to help increase building RV’s, when people can’t afford gas prices for cars? Build more RV’s people don’t want? And he thinks this is a sound investment?

    OY VEY

    And no doubt, sending shivers down Al Gore’s back. With this kind of BONE HEADED poor judgement, along with 2 billion dollars for an already shut down for inefficiency new generation Coal Plant in Illinois, looks like he won’t be too Green either.

    So, wasting our tax dollars AND not making good choices to green the environment. WOOHOO, that and his Coal Plant, 3 strikes, you’re outta’ here BOberry.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Linda, that one cracked me up. And I can’t believe true Democrats fell for it. Since when do liberals take money from the coal industry, or the nuclear(exelon) industry or the defense industry (Raytheon)? I knew early on he wasn’t a true liberal when I found out he smoked. Democrats (such as Al Gore) have fought huge battles against the tobacco industry. States are trying to recoup tobacco related health costs and Barky openly supports them by sucking up Camels. He’s just a big business thug.

      • I’m a Linda too

        Exactly. Agreed. We were the ones living the the reality based country with eyes wide OPEN.

        My most beloved Uncle smoked Camels and died at a very young age. BOberry better start wearing those patches and kicking it soon. Non filter commercial cig and cancer runs in his family. Not a winning combination.

  • I’m a Linda too

    And, to Arlen Specter,
    I DON’T support this Stimulus bill, because the country cannot afford this poor planned extravagant spending, no job or economy promoting, bill.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Um, I don’t think there was any planning what so ever. Just one big WISH LIST.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWEbDZDCkJY Ofraud

    Obama bumps his head while boarding aircraft
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWEbDZDCkJY

  • AlexisM

    My favorite line from Maureen Dowd’s article “Potomac’s Postpartisan Depression.” Good thing our “leaders” are fighting amongst themselves, while Rome burns. What buffoons they are.

    Nancy Pelosi told her leadership team that she had told the president, “I don’t mind you driving the bus over me, but I don’t appreciate your backing it up and running over me again and again.”

  • knotfourhymn

    Tragedy
    When you lose control and you got no soul
    It’s tragedy
    When the morning cries and you don’t know why
    It’s hard to bear
    With no-one beside you you’re
    goin’ nowhere

    -Bee Gees, 1979

  • ame

    Obama’s power grab; I just heard about this… http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/09/gop-sounds-alarm-obama-decision-census-white-house/ “GOP Sounds Alarm Over Obama Decision to Move Census to White House”

    • ame

      Rahm Emanuel overseeing the census? Who’s comfortable with that?

      • AlexisM

        Not me. I don’t want Rambo Rahm in charge of the Census. Can you say thug?

    • AlexisM

      Who is surprised by this filthy move by Obama? He’s already planning the cheating and fix for his next four terms. What a joke. He did the same thing in Illinois….redrawing district lines. This is nothing but a sham and con job (another one) on a pathetic America who is just watching Obama destroy our democratic principles. He really does think he is Castor, Chavez, Hilter, Mussolini, etc. all rolled into one. Folks, wake the hell up. You’re not going to like this country…the United Republic of Pelosi-Obama. Yuck.

      • Ferd Berfle

        I remember all the whining that went on about redistricting when the Republicans were in control and how anti-democratic it was. In their selective indignation and memory, the democrats will now repeat the same thing. All that hope and change kind of gets you choked up, doesn’t it?

    • Elliott

      This is part of the plan to create an enormous patronage jobs system. This is directly from the Daley playbook. He who controls the jobs controls the polls. The census has thousands of temp and part-time jobs who can hire some fairly unskilled people (obviously not all temp hires are low skills). They have to put this patronage job programs in the WH to be directly run there rather than in an agency which has professional civil service who would notice “oddities” and work not being performed. The same is being done with the “stimulus” funds for ACORN and the faith based whatever it is going to be. Welcome to Chicago on the Potomac.

      The reason this bill is being bum-rushed though Congress is that the longer it takes the more of this stuff is noticed and the angrier the public becomes. This is also why the President has to take to the road to sell it even though he said he was tired of traveling. He does not have a choice as he owes political sponsors from his entire career and he has to pay them NOW before the economy becomes even worse and the Treasury cannot borrow the money.

      • AlexisM

        Elliott…Great point!

        He does not have a choice as he owes political sponsors from his entire career and he has to pay them NOW before the economy becomes even worse and the Treasury cannot borrow the money.

        • Elliott

          This is how Chicago politics works. You do something for me then I have to pay you with the public’s money or that of some kind of non-profit. Blagojevich was simply playing by the normal rules as understood in Illinois. That is why is was so outrageous that all of the pols were shocked, horrified and had to get him out of site. Now we are going to see this on a very large scale.

      • Annie Oakley

        Spot on, Elliott.

        the plan to create an enormous patronage jobs system

        The Republicans were the party of the rich, who benefited while the middle class got squeezed. The Democrats were the party allegedly for the poor, who demanded programs (patronage jobs system) to offset the squeeze to the poorest. The middle class that pays no matter which party is in power. Finishing off the middle class will make financial and political control much easier.

        Obama is all about creating a patronage system, like Daley, at a national level.

        • Jaycephus

          Personally, I think both parties are the ‘parties of the rich’, since that is where a lot of both parties donations come from. The end effect is that we have regressive tax system where the middle and upper-middle classes pay the biggest percentages out of their own pockets. The poor get back more money than they pay in taxes, thanks to the Republicans giving them the Earned Income Tax Credit (oops, that doesn’t quite fit with the ‘only Democrats are the friends of the poor’ meme), and the rich have so many ways to avoid counting all of their income as taxable income that their effective tax rates can be down in the single digits. So all this talk about raising or cutting taxes on the rich always misses the point. They keep their ‘taxable’ income low, and ‘divert and store’ their real income elsewhere.

      • cathnealon

        Elliott
        Also, it takes alot of money to ‘buy’ a new system of government. He’s been stumping for this money since last September because he needs to create his utopian regime, that is a new education system with Ayers behind the curtain indoctrinating our children, a new health care system where treatment is dictated by the government,a census bureau that guarantees BO’s reelection, etc. All of this is extremely pricey. The billionaires and money men that put him in office got bored counting their money now they want the power to go with it. Hold on because the American people may surprise everyone yet, there could be a huge backlash against this corruption if people don’t have a job within 3 months, people don’t have much patience anymore since the digital age and the ADD that has taken over brain circuits.

        • AlexisM

          There already is a backlash. I’ve never seen more people energized by their love of country. I think the Dims underestimate us. We’re not “going quietly into the night” like they think we are.

    • Boxer Mum 06

      Can you say ACORN?

    • sowsear

      Gregg, a Republican. was suckered into leaving the Senate to take the Sec. of Commerce job. In the same moment, The Census Bureau was moved to the White House and placerd under Rahm’s “guidance”. Whatever districts or states that hadn’t already been gerrymandered before the last election will get some special treatment. regardless of what the new census actuallky finds. That job couldn’t be left in Gregg’s hands.

  • Karma

    And the Obama ripple continues…..

    The Jonas Brothers destroy a Stevie Wonder song on the Grammy’s….while bouncing around on his platform throughout.

    While it was exceptionally nice for Mr Wonder to give the Obama family a treat by performing with the girl’s favorite band.

    It was brutal to watch and hear.

  • Tess

    It seems to me that much of the discussion re the stimulus and various (and ill-assorted) bailouts is being fueled by the Internet and sites like NQ.
    And that’s thrilling. We are no longer in thrall to the MSM.

  • Helen

    Hey Alexis, I love much of what you say, and your fighting spirit, but you need to lighten up on Asians. We have a large Asian community here in Seattle, as does Vancouver and much of the continent that borders the Pacific. We are first landfall. (As one of my relatives who traveled extensively in Asia remarked when she first saw the beauty of Vancouver: OH! Hong Kong). They are the West Coast counterparts to Italians, Polish, Germans, Irish, and Russians.

    Asians are good people, neighbors, responsible, hard working, community-loving, take care of their elderly, and they have moved on without rancor despite losing land and property over the shamefulness of their internment in WWII. Before that they built our rail lines and dams and other infrastructure amid great prejudice. They’ve been here a long time. The Asians I know would think taking welfare would be a disgrace on the family. And don’t forget that our government helped many come to the States after Vietnam because they worked for our military and their lives were in jeopardy in their native countries.

    But apart from that, they bring vitality and richness to our culture here – cuisine and arts and values. I object to your portrayal of them as undesirable.

    • wodiej

      I agree. I don’t personally know any Asians unless the guy that owns my favorite donut store counts. But I do know they are known for being hard working, responsible, family minded people. They don’t play victim either.

    • AlexisM

      Okay guys, what did I say about Asians? You need to read what I wrote. My only comment was agreeing that there were many of them in Canada. Where do you get off saying I disparaged Asians? I did nothing of the kind. I made a statement of fact. I agree with you that the Asians bring a valuable quality of life to us through their culture. I didn’t say otherwise. I do, however, as an American, think it is wrong for us to not make our own product. That is nationalism, not a slam against any culture whatsoever. Pardon me if I think my fellow Americans who are out of work should be making the furniture and we shouldn’t import it from other countries.

    • Seattle Moss

      Helen,
      I travel to Canada and what I see is a collapse in the north American, European based culture.
      Whole sections of Vancouver look like Hong kong with no assimulation with Canadian traditions nor with local business.
      A country within a country is what’s happening in Canada and will happen in the United states unless we force immigrants to adopt our culture. Canada and the Europeans also have the problem of Muslim immigrats taking over whole cities and not assimilating with host country traditions and laws.
      By not taking a stand our culture will be displaced.
      Since you know Seattle I will make a final point
      The entire south side of downtown is being bought up by the chinese who are displacing businesses in the future goal of creating a mega city within a city of chinese immigrants.

      • AlexisM

        Watch out Seattle, you will get called a “racist” for speaking the truth LOL.

      • Seattle Moss

        This is not about racism at all

        This is about nationalism and preserving our culture and way of life
        If anybody has a problem with protecting those interests I doubt they’re American to begin with

      • lark

        I appreciate the Asians in my community but they don’t like me one bit.

    • Winston

      I drove to Vancouver from Seattle for a day trip in 1995. Beautiful ride along the way. But when I got into the city the architecture looked exactly like I was in Hong Kong. I just kept staring at the buildings and all the placards that I could not decipher. I guess I was shocked because I was expecting British Columbia. I was just a dumb tourist.

      I don’t think anything I have said is racist or what anyone has said is racist or a negative portrayal of any particular group of people. I want diversity, but that is not what happened in Vancouver.

  • standard

    Frank Rich finally figured out we elected an idiot.
    Shame he helped him get elected.

    http://www.nytimesDOTcom/2009/02/08/opinion/08rich.html?_r=2

    • AlexisM

      OMFG it was Arlin Specter who wrote that crap? Well, thank God he’s too old for another term anyway. He’s done. What a traitor. I wonder if money changed hands for this support? Either that or death threats. Jeez.

      • Boxer Mum 06

        He will be on Hannity in a few minutes. Hannity said he would try to reason with him and get hiim to change his mind.

        I live in PA and it’s just mortifying he is one of the three republicans that flipped. I sent him an email on Friday – seems like a waste of time to me now. I know others that are calling his office – mostly to no avail as the number rings busy.

        I think he will lose his seat in the next election – either for age, health, etc.. but waiting in the wind is Chris ‘tingling leg’ Matthews. God help us all!

        • AlexisM

          I can’t believe any Republican would vote for this thing. There has to be something we don’t know. This is beyond ridiculous.

          • PKJayne

            Alexis Pay to Play ringing any bells?

            • AlexisM

              Grrrr….Boy, I can’t wait when the whole Bush legacy looks like a bunch of choir boys next to all these criminals. Not that I like Bush, but for the love of God, can these Dims in DC get any more criminal and dirty? What a sewer the White House has become!

        • PKJayne

          I can’t recall what news channel I was flipping thru but Lieberman was on and oh man I was shocked to see he was right back in the bossom of the DNC, he talked as tho he had never had problems with them.

          My gawd I think I am over the rainbow now.

          • Ferd Berfle

            It’s even worse, we’re through the looking glass now and guess who That One is.

      • AlexisM

        Here’s yet another disgrace by the socialist Pelosi Pork Team…This is absolutely the end of America…

        Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) — Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.
        Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.
        Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
        The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
        But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
        Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.
        New Penalties
        Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
        What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.
        The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
        Elderly Hardest Hit
        Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
        Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).
        The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.
        In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.
        Hidden Provisions
        If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.
        The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).
        Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”
        More Scrutiny Needed
        On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.
        The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.
        (Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)
        To contact the writer of this column: Betsy McCaughey at Betsymross@aol.com

  • http://46in08.blogspot.com/ robert verdi

    there is simply no reason to rush this no matter what Obama says, A week or months more will not shift the world on its axis, its being rushed because it has little to so with economics plain and simple.

    • Docelder

      Or heaven forbid… we do nothing and in the interim… capitalism prevails and this thing rights itself. I remember years ago when I learned to fly planes… that was one of the first lessons. Put the plane in a spin and do nothing but let go and let it right itself. Just as a plane wants to fly by it’s design… so our economy wants to flourish… by it’s design. If we could just let it be.

      • Jaycephus

        Well-said. That’s actually an excellent point, and we have historic precedence:

        From: America’s Greatest Depression Fighter by Jim Powell
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

        America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, contributed to the deaths of 116,708 Americans, built up huge federal bureaucracies, imprisoned dissenters and incurred $25 billion of debt, for which he has been much praised by historians.

        Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression “exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters.” The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

        Under Harding, gov’t spending and taxes were slashed:

        Federal spending was cut from $6.3 billion in 1920 to $5 billion in 1921 and $3.2 billion in 1922. Federal taxes were cut from $6.6 billion in 1920 to $5.5 billion in 1921 and $4 billion in 1922. Harding’s policies started a trend. The low point for federal taxes was reached in 1924. For federal spending, in 1925. The federal government paid off debt, which had been $24.2 billion in 1920, and it continued to decline until 1930.

        Read the whole thing to see why Harding’s actions led out of the depression in ’21 to what were called the Roaring ’20s, and why Hoover’s and FDR’s opposite actions led to a ‘Great’ Depression lasting longer than FDR’s first two full terms, and probably would have lasted much longer had WWII not changed the whole playing field.

        I’ll leave you with this tidbit:

        “Progressives” were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding “almost unbelievably ill-informed.” Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s “mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs).” Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the “progressive” FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

        We’re not even in a depression, yet, but I can guarantee Obama won’t get this turned around in a mere year and a half. And Harding didn’t need or want a ‘stimulus’ package.

        Now, where is that proof that tax-cuts and less gov’t spending ‘created the recession?’

      • Ferd Berfle

        Too many wannabe pilots, unfortunately.

    • Mary

      Obama wants it done by President’s Day so he’ll have a good photo-op.

      Shades of George W. Bush, eh?

  • brodie

    The whole time I’ve been listening to the debate over the “stimulus” bill, I’ve been thinking about how the Senate likes having a baby beginner as a new boss. It’s like when your company hires an intern, makes you train them & then, lo & behold, makes them your boss. At that point you are seriously screwed- as we are now.
    And excuse me, but if they plan to give out “stimulus” money again, how about a lump sum? Some of us already don’t make enough to get any relief in our miserable paychecks. At least I was able to buy stuff for my business that I couldn’t otherwise afford w/the last one. sheesh.

  • samb

    I don’t believe that the average person will get the help they need, I also believe that when it comes to giving the money out, It will be, who will plays ball first, same old politics. Senators and there lobbyist, and big business first, plus didn’t this whole thing start with trying to helping people stay in there homes?

    • PKJayne

      Yes, Samb, I believe it did. I don’t recall seeing anything in the stimulus about that.

  • Brendy

    You should have heard Rush Limbaugh today! He blasted the Democratic Party for making sure Hillary didn’t win the election. Limbaugh said Obama is being led by Pelosi and Reid and that they KNEW they couldn’t do that with Hillary! What a DAMN shame!!!!!!!

    Reid and Pelosi OWN and CONTROL Obama – he does their bidding and the majority of dumb-ass people in this country cannot see that!

    • AlexisM

      I said that exact thing above. Of course the Dims wanted their puppet for their BS socialist agenda. And Hillary is her own person and never would have taken their crap, at the expense of Americans and America’s well being.

  • Winston

    Isn’t Arlen Sphincter the same man who tried to shove the magic bullet theory down out throats? And he nows offers us, what, another magic bullet?

    Sorry Senator Sphincter we not buying it.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      Maybe he knows this is his last term as a senator and doesn’t have to worry about re-election.

      He’s on in years, his health isn’t great. Fine, he doesn’t want to play senator anymore, why does he have to fark all the rest of us on his way down?

  • sowsear
  • I’m a Linda too

    ELKHART, Ind. (AP) – The questions for Barack Obama from a crowd in Elkhart, Ind., aren’t all friendly ones, and they aren’t all about the stimulus plan.

    Obama responded to one question Monday about the tax problems faced by some of his high-level nominees, saying the nominees had made “honest mistakes.”

    But he also said his administration doesn’t want to send a message that there are “two sets of rules”—one for his administration, and one for everyone else.

    Two nominees, including Tom Daschle, who was in line to be secretary of Health and Human Services, withdrew from consideration. But Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was confirmed.

    Obama also reiterated that the ethics rules he’s imposed on his administration are seen as the “highest standards ever.”

    ????WHAT??? Is that why YOU aren’t following the standards you set?

  • Doc99

    Specter just told Hannity that he, Snowe and Collins are all voting yes along with 58 Democrats. Ugh …

    • Winston

      Specter has been a stealth Democrat for about a billion years. Nothing wrong with being a democrat as long as you come out and say you are and not deceive the voters.

      • Doc99

        PA Republicans need to tell Sen. Spectacle, “Fredo, you’re dead to me.”

        • Pennsylvania Red

          I don’t think he gives a hoot, he’s old, he’s sickly, he probably won’t even be running next time.

          He survived cancer, a brain tumor I think.

        • Winston

          LOL. And then take him for a nice boat ride of a lake.

    • Docelder

      Maybe PA is on the fast track to become more the peoples republic of MA? It is looking more like a hand count… how many people have their hands in their own pockets vs. how many people have their hands in other peoples pockets.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        I don’t think so. Although one could make the case for a significant portion of Philadelphia going that way. And the coal area – around Scranton, is pretty depressed and wanting some gubmint love.

        Latte liberals in the Philly burbs who voted for PIT0 don’t want their hard earned bucks appropriated for pork, however. This porkulus is NOT playing well with Indies.

        • Winston

          Thanks Red. That’s good to know.

  • Katmoon

    An interesting story

    XCLUSIVE: Partisan dirt-digger joins WH office
    Resume lacks legal training

    Jon Ward (Contact)
    Monday, February 9, 2009

    Amid the furor over controversies regarding Cabinet-nominee tax problems and the seismic battle over a nearly trillion-dollar economic rescue bill, President Obama made a little-noticed appointment that is now generating intrigue.

    Shauna Daly, a 29-year-old Democratic operative, was named last month to the new job of White House counsel research director. Though she is inside one of the most powerful legal offices in the land, Miss Daly holds no law degree and doesn’t list any legal training on her resume.

    Her sole experience has been as an opposition researcher for Democratic political campaigns: She helped dig up dirt on rivals, or on her own nominee to prepare for attacks.

    -rest of story at source.

    washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/exclusive-partisan-dirt-digger-joins-wh-counsels-o/