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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13809/the-stimulus-tragedy-open-thread/#comment-1138146</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, are you an islamo-phobe??!!  just kidding.  leftists flipped out about anyone suggesting that obama may be a little too closely tied to anti-american islamists, but it looks like the chickens are already coming home to roost.  can&#039;t wait until these folks gain a majority in some city/county/state and they start passing laws taking away american democracy, equal rights for women, religious equality, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, are you an islamo-phobe??!!  just kidding.  leftists flipped out about anyone suggesting that obama may be a little too closely tied to anti-american islamists, but it looks like the chickens are already coming home to roost.  can&#8217;t wait until these folks gain a majority in some city/county/state and they start passing laws taking away american democracy, equal rights for women, religious equality, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13809/the-stimulus-tragedy-open-thread/#comment-1138122</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have to consider the fact that the average workers&#039; &quot;means&quot; have been shrinking relative to the cost of the *bare necessities* that they need to live; this is at least in part responsible for their reliance on credit.

on the flip side, corporate profits have been doing better than inflation for a long time, because they have been accumulating a larger share of the wealth generated by those at the bottom, which used to go into worker salaries.  there&#039;s the &quot;redistribution of wealth&quot; for you. 

the gap between the rich and poor has been increasing for decades; if giving the rich more money necessarily improves the economy and creates good jobs, then why has our economy been getting worse (for the average person) for decades?  

the biggest improvement occurred under bill clinton, where arguably the government favored working people over the wealthy - a tiny little bit more than usual.  Bush2 changed that, the economy tanked, and yet there are people here who want more &quot;supply-side,&quot; give-aways to the rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have to consider the fact that the average workers&#8217; &#8220;means&#8221; have been shrinking relative to the cost of the *bare necessities* that they need to live; this is at least in part responsible for their reliance on credit.</p>
<p>on the flip side, corporate profits have been doing better than inflation for a long time, because they have been accumulating a larger share of the wealth generated by those at the bottom, which used to go into worker salaries.  there&#8217;s the &#8220;redistribution of wealth&#8221; for you. </p>
<p>the gap between the rich and poor has been increasing for decades; if giving the rich more money necessarily improves the economy and creates good jobs, then why has our economy been getting worse (for the average person) for decades?  </p>
<p>the biggest improvement occurred under bill clinton, where arguably the government favored working people over the wealthy &#8211; a tiny little bit more than usual.  Bush2 changed that, the economy tanked, and yet there are people here who want more &#8220;supply-side,&#8221; give-aways to the rich.</p>
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		<title>By: toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already have.  They are leaving Colorado in droves for Mexico or California.  Of course, I don&#039;t see them leaving like they came...in chartered, air conditioned buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already have.  They are leaving Colorado in droves for Mexico or California.  Of course, I don&#8217;t see them leaving like they came&#8230;in chartered, air conditioned buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair  enough.   

I  always  knew  he  was  just  another pol,  but  as  an  English  major,  all that  lofty  HopeNChange  stuff  is  often  just  rhetoric.   

I&#039;m  reading  that if   you  add   up  all  the miscellaneous  pieces  of this  continual.....give us  the monoey  or  we&#039;ll have   a  catastrophe.....we&#039;ve   basically  spent   $9.7   TRILLION  on   bailouts.   

And  that&#039;s  not  even   including  the   $10  trillion   Dubya  left  us  with.    

It&#039;s  just  STUNNING,  really, where  our  country  has  come  to. 

I  gave up   paying any  attention  whatsoever   to  Matthews  2  years  ago.  Don&#039;t  know,  don&#039;t  care ,  if he&#039;s   tingling.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair  enough.   </p>
<p>I  always  knew  he  was  just  another pol,  but  as  an  English  major,  all that  lofty  HopeNChange  stuff  is  often  just  rhetoric.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m  reading  that if   you  add   up  all  the miscellaneous  pieces  of this  continual&#8230;..give us  the monoey  or  we&#8217;ll have   a  catastrophe&#8230;..we&#8217;ve   basically  spent   $9.7   TRILLION  on   bailouts.   </p>
<p>And  that&#8217;s  not  even   including  the   $10  trillion   Dubya  left  us  with.    </p>
<p>It&#8217;s  just  STUNNING,  really, where  our  country  has  come  to. </p>
<p>I  gave up   paying any  attention  whatsoever   to  Matthews  2  years  ago.  Don&#8217;t  know,  don&#8217;t  care ,  if he&#8217;s   tingling.  <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nocturnal Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nocturnal Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is Hillary and her people would have had much more direct input in crafting the bill.  She rolls up her sleeves and works.  She would have never left all the details to Pelosi and Obey.  Since she actually spent her time on Capitol Hill working (unlike Obama) she actually knows how things work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is Hillary and her people would have had much more direct input in crafting the bill.  She rolls up her sleeves and works.  She would have never left all the details to Pelosi and Obey.  Since she actually spent her time on Capitol Hill working (unlike Obama) she actually knows how things work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob G in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob G in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of the Chinese families came to Canada when the Brits gave Hong Kong back to the Chinese.  The Canadians had a very liberal investment visa that allowed Chinese with lots of money to invest in Canada, and acquire permanent residency.  Billions of dollars flowed to Canada through that program.  The U.S. has an investment visa as well, but it is not &quot;user friendly&quot;, and most investors are reluctant to subject their worldwide income to U.S. taxation.  Many of the asian youth in Vancouver are second generation from the Hong Kong exodus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of the Chinese families came to Canada when the Brits gave Hong Kong back to the Chinese.  The Canadians had a very liberal investment visa that allowed Chinese with lots of money to invest in Canada, and acquire permanent residency.  Billions of dollars flowed to Canada through that program.  The U.S. has an investment visa as well, but it is not &#8220;user friendly&#8221;, and most investors are reluctant to subject their worldwide income to U.S. taxation.  Many of the asian youth in Vancouver are second generation from the Hong Kong exodus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Krugman not liking the bill, his beef amounted to &quot;it&#039;s too small&quot;, and &quot;there&#039;s way too much &#039;tax-cuts&#039; in it&quot;. He literally can not find anything wrong with it except for that.

My take is that a very large number of people thought Obama really was going to be &#039;different&#039;. I didn&#039;t drink the koolaid, and knew that I would fundamentally disagree with his foundational philosophies, but even I thought he&#039;d be a little different from the typical Washington pol, maybe, but he&#039;s shaping up to be the biggest Washington pol ever. 

Is Matthews&#039; leg still tingling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Krugman not liking the bill, his beef amounted to &#8220;it&#8217;s too small&#8221;, and &#8220;there&#8217;s way too much &#8216;tax-cuts&#8217; in it&#8221;. He literally can not find anything wrong with it except for that.</p>
<p>My take is that a very large number of people thought Obama really was going to be &#8216;different&#8217;. I didn&#8217;t drink the koolaid, and knew that I would fundamentally disagree with his foundational philosophies, but even I thought he&#8217;d be a little different from the typical Washington pol, maybe, but he&#8217;s shaping up to be the biggest Washington pol ever. </p>
<p>Is Matthews&#8217; leg still tingling?</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Red. That&#039;s good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Red. That&#8217;s good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/13809/the-stimulus-tragedy-open-thread/#comment-1138049</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the song of the Luddites, Alexis.  If they had their way, we&#039;d all be living in huts without light or heat, waiting for the Golden Day: Green Energy.

And eating grass.  My God, don&#039;t touch those &quot;sea kittens.&quot; PETA wouldn&#039;t like it. 

Hello?  What about the bridge to get to the future? You know, the one we&#039;d all like to have? As for food? I&#039;ll eat what I damn well please, thank you very much. 

But when it comes to energy?  We should rely on enemies to fuel our cars and heat our houses. Yet, they hate us and would kill us in a New York miniute [and have]. Drill at home?  Perish the thought.

This is the whacked out logic guiding this whole argument: Pie in the Sky; Obama Save Us; there is a magic unicorn for each and every citizen.

Pardon me while I gag.  I&#039;m beyond disgusted with the hippy-dippy train of thought. 

As for your &quot;Smoking Gun&quot; article:

&quot;When the time comes, lock and load.&quot;

Frankly, I&#039;m with New Hampshire in this matter: Live Free or Die.

Those are American words.  Read &#039;em and weep.

And one more thing.  Without a middle class?  We have no frigging democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the song of the Luddites, Alexis.  If they had their way, we&#8217;d all be living in huts without light or heat, waiting for the Golden Day: Green Energy.</p>
<p>And eating grass.  My God, don&#8217;t touch those &#8220;sea kittens.&#8221; PETA wouldn&#8217;t like it. </p>
<p>Hello?  What about the bridge to get to the future? You know, the one we&#8217;d all like to have? As for food? I&#8217;ll eat what I damn well please, thank you very much. </p>
<p>But when it comes to energy?  We should rely on enemies to fuel our cars and heat our houses. Yet, they hate us and would kill us in a New York miniute [and have]. Drill at home?  Perish the thought.</p>
<p>This is the whacked out logic guiding this whole argument: Pie in the Sky; Obama Save Us; there is a magic unicorn for each and every citizen.</p>
<p>Pardon me while I gag.  I&#8217;m beyond disgusted with the hippy-dippy train of thought. </p>
<p>As for your &#8220;Smoking Gun&#8221; article:</p>
<p>&#8220;When the time comes, lock and load.&#8221;</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m with New Hampshire in this matter: Live Free or Die.</p>
<p>Those are American words.  Read &#8216;em and weep.</p>
<p>And one more thing.  Without a middle class?  We have no frigging democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Pennsylvania Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pennsylvania Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so. Although one could make the case for a significant portion of Philadelphia going that way. And the coal area - around Scranton, is pretty depressed and wanting some gubmint love.

Latte liberals in the Philly burbs who voted for PIT0 don&#039;t want their hard earned bucks appropriated for pork, however. This porkulus is NOT playing well with Indies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so. Although one could make the case for a significant portion of Philadelphia going that way. And the coal area &#8211; around Scranton, is pretty depressed and wanting some gubmint love.</p>
<p>Latte liberals in the Philly burbs who voted for PIT0 don&#8217;t want their hard earned bucks appropriated for pork, however. This porkulus is NOT playing well with Indies.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. And then take him for a nice boat ride of a lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. And then take him for a nice boat ride of a lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that Economics is not a science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Economics is not a science.</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe PA is on the fast track to become more the peoples republic of MA? It is looking more like a hand count... how many people have their hands in their own pockets vs. how many people have their hands in other peoples pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe PA is on the fast track to become more the peoples republic of MA? It is looking more like a hand count&#8230; how many people have their hands in their own pockets vs. how many people have their hands in other peoples pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting story
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XCLUSIVE: Partisan dirt-digger joins WH office
Resume lacks legal training

Jon Ward (Contact)
Monday, February 9, 2009


Amid the furor over controversies regarding Cabinet-nominee tax problems and the seismic battle over a nearly trillion-dollar economic rescue bill, President Obama made a little-noticed appointment that is now generating intrigue.

Shauna Daly, a 29-year-old Democratic operative, was named last month to the new job of White House counsel research director. Though she is inside one of the most powerful legal offices in the land, Miss Daly holds no law degree and doesn&#039;t list any legal training on her resume.

Her sole experience has been as an opposition researcher for Democratic political campaigns: She helped dig up dirt on rivals, or on her own nominee to prepare for attacks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

-rest of story at source.

washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/exclusive-partisan-dirt-digger-joins-wh-counsels-o/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting story</p>
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XCLUSIVE: Partisan dirt-digger joins WH office<br />
Resume lacks legal training</p>
<p>Jon Ward (Contact)<br />
Monday, February 9, 2009</p>
<p>Amid the furor over controversies regarding Cabinet-nominee tax problems and the seismic battle over a nearly trillion-dollar economic rescue bill, President Obama made a little-noticed appointment that is now generating intrigue.</p>
<p>Shauna Daly, a 29-year-old Democratic operative, was named last month to the new job of White House counsel research director. Though she is inside one of the most powerful legal offices in the land, Miss Daly holds no law degree and doesn&#8217;t list any legal training on her resume.</p>
<p>Her sole experience has been as an opposition researcher for Democratic political campaigns: She helped dig up dirt on rivals, or on her own nominee to prepare for attacks.</p></blockquote>
<p>-rest of story at source.</p>
<p>washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/exclusive-partisan-dirt-digger-joins-wh-counsels-o/</p>
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		<title>By: Pennsylvania Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pennsylvania Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he gives a hoot, he&#039;s old, he&#039;s sickly, he probably won&#039;t even be running next time.

He survived cancer, a brain tumor I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he gives a hoot, he&#8217;s old, he&#8217;s sickly, he probably won&#8217;t even be running next time.</p>
<p>He survived cancer, a brain tumor I think.</p>
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