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The Media Are (Finally) Getting More Real on PBO

Of course, the moment PBO went into his campaign rally “schtick,” the media were like cub scouts who’ve been hiking all day, drinking the Kool-Aid and chowin’ down on the meal, no matter how not-very-meaty it was. But now that the focii are back on Congress’s negotiations, Geithner is testifying, the bank presidents are in the hot seat, it’s all getting VERY real again!

Anyway, I watched a good panel discussion last night on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 (oh, and I swear to god if I hear AC say “keepin’ them honest” one more time, I’m gonna kick him in the ass from here to the moon) –BUT the important thing is that these reporters and analysts were actually (astonishment!) speaking the truth about what they’re hearing.

THE KEY ELEMENT in this panel discussion is all of the doubt expressed and that “Nobody has the answer,” says Gergen. The panel notes that a lot of people on “the Hilll” are very “skeptical” about this bill being a success, and Obama has “real problems,” a tough “row to hoe,” and on and on. Candy Crowley’s remark about people having a “nauseous feeling all the time” … WOW! Nobody, it sounds, is sure that this plan is really the right thing to do (including every reader here at No Quarter, that’s for sure!). Gergen’s comment, “ I think he’s in great shape with the American people. I think he may be in deeper economic trouble.” And the American people — the panelists and we all know — will turn on Obama the instant it becomes clear that this hastily-tossed-together quick-fix of a bill is NOT doing the job, as I fear it won’t.

The transcript is below:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Look around us. Look at this construction site right where we’re standing. We’re surrounded by unmet needs and unfinished business in our schools and our roads, in the systems we employ to treat the sick, in the energy we use to power our homes.

And that’s the core of my plan, putting people to work doing the work that America needs done.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: President Obama today at a highway construction site in Northern Virginia — Mr. Obama saying the economic stimulus plan would create or save 100,000 jobs in the commonwealth.

Let’s talk about the plan and the politics with senior political analyst David Gergen and correspondents Joe Johns and Candy Crowley.

David, it’s a done deal. What’s the lesson in this moving forward for — for President Obama?

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: The lesson is, it’s going to be very hard to get things through Congress. There’s going to be no rubber-stamp up there. These three Republicans had the whip hand on this negotiation. And I think that’s why the bill wound up much closer to the Senate bill than the House original version, and why so many House Democrats are unhappy.

But there’s also a positive lesson, I think, here, Anderson. And that is that, for many Americans, there’s going to be a lot more infrastructure bill — in this — in this bill than there was in the original bill. Some of the bad things have been scrubbed out. There has been a process here of real scrutiny of it.

And I — I think that’s a healthy thing in a democracy. I think many — many — I think this bill is going to withstand scrutiny, despite its many flaws and despite the big, big question of whether it’s large enough. Many Americans are going to like this bill better than what they first saw.

COOPER: Joe, I guess there are some who would say, you know, if — if liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans both are upset by it, then this is sort of maybe somewhere in the middle, and maybe that’s not too bad a thing.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, that’s about right, because, when you think of the Republicans, on the one hand, there are a lot of people who are saying, Barack Obama said he wanted our vote, but, on the other hand, he really didn’t take the extra step of sort of cutting and pasting the language that we wanted inside the bill, so conservative Republicans upset.

Then, a bunch of Democrats, even some in the Black Caucus, people who are very proud about the fact that Barack Obama is now president of the United States, are complaining because certain things came out, you know, the stuff for education and so on. So, that’s about right.

When you get people on both sides griping, and you still have enough votes to pass a bill both in the Senate and the House, get it to the president’s desk, a lot of people will say, perhaps that’s a good sign.

COOPER: And, Candy, it’s fascinating to see the president out selling this thing and acknowledging, I think it was today, essentially, look, this is my problem now. If — if this doesn’t work, four years from now, I will be voted out of office.

It’s also interesting to see him on the side of a highway in Virginia, you know, kind of rolling up his sleeves and — and being the face of this.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Sure.

I mean, look, he is the face of this. And there’s a lot of things happening when a president has a town hall meeting or a photo opportunity, whatever you want to call it. And one of the things is that he’s out there with his power base, and that is the American people. That’s where his political capital is. And he’s out there going: I get you. I understand you. Meanwhile, these people are back in Washington, you know, and I’m just pushing and pushing them.

So, it sort of attaches him to the American people: I’m on your side.

So, there was a lot of that in his trip to Indiana and in his trip to Florida, now in his trip to Virginia, just kind of reinforcing: You and I are in this together, and I’m going to move old-time Washington and get things done.

COOPER: David, can the president keep that up, though, being the one constantly out there every day, you know, whether it’s this or — or the — the Geithner package or whatever else is coming down the pike?

GERGEN: Absolutely not.

And I think that he’s in danger of being overexposed. He’s certainly in danger of being the only person who seems to carry the ball publicly for them. And, Anderson, 24 hours later, after the financial bailout package announcement yesterday, I think, as the dust is settling a little bit, it appears that the administration is in more trouble on this than even we thought last night.

There are many people on Capitol Hill now who are skeptical about the contents of the package. They’re not sure they trust what they’re hearing from the Treasury Department. There are many people on Wall Street and well beyond who think that this initial effort may put his presidency at some peril.

So, even as he’s won his victory tonight — and he is winning a big victory on the stimulus bill — this financial bailout, which is much, much bigger, after all — we have got a — you know, it’s almost three times bigger than — than the stimulus package — he’s got some real problems there, and he’s going to have to scramble now to pull that out.

COOPER: Joe, are you hearing that as well?

JOHNS: Yes, absolutely. This — this president is going to have a tough row to hoe.

And when you think about the other things coming down the pike, he has a lot of tough choices to make yet. And — but it still all depends in some ways on what happens with the stimulus, what happens with the Troubled Assets Relief fund.

Some people say, you look down the road, perhaps the economy starts turning the corner late this year, early next year, Barack Obama will be able to go out and say, hey, it was because of what we did, even if the stimulus really hasn’t even started making its way into the economy yet.

And — and, for that, of course, some congressional Republicans might pay. But, sure, Barack Obama’s got a lot of stuff on his plate here. And he has — he has taken some hits on this thing.

COOPER: Candy, I mean, he’s facing something probably no president in our lifetime has faced, I mean, the challenges, just the economic challenges alone.

Are the mistakes they have made just kind of the growing pains of — of adjustment or something more fundamental? I mean, how much trouble are they in?

CROWLEY: I don’t — look, I don’t think at this point they’re in that much trouble.

He got pretty much what he needed. Honestly, if a president that came in with the kind of popular vote margin, an electoral margin that he had, couldn’t get what he wanted right out of the box, that’s an administration in trouble. This is how the balance of power works.

I do think that David and Joe are right, that the whole financial bailout package will be tougher. But part of that, yes, is that — that Timothy Geithner, the treasury secretary, came out with a less- than-reassuring appearance, shall we say, yesterday in the news conference and later on the Hill, but also because, you know, a trillion-and-a-half dollars begins to sound like real money, and because there is this — as one lawmaker I talked to today called it, he said, I just have this nauseous feeling all the time that no one is exactly sure how to go about this. And I think it’s true, because it’s such a big problem, no one really has ever dealt with it before. So, part of what President Obama is dealing with is that he’s basically saying: Trust us. We will do it right.

And, if — if they aren’t doing it right, the price is pretty darned high, not just bottom line, but also to the country and the economy at large.

COOPER: Well, David, economists are still arguing about the Great Depression and what really brought us out of that. I mean, so, the idea that anyone really knows exactly what steps to take, I mean, that’s just — there’s no way anyone does.

GERGEN: That’s exactly right, Anderson.

I think one thing — one of the things that distinguishes this recession from almost any one that I have seen in the last 40 years has been the fact that nobody knows how to get out of it. Nobody has the answers.

But, when you’re elected president, you know, they expect you to have the answers. When you put your treasury secretary out with a plan, they expect him to have the answers in the plan.

And if — and if people begin to feel that this isn’t quite working – I don’t think Barack Obama is in any political trouble right now. I think he’s in great shape with the American people. I think he may be in deeper economic trouble.

COOPER: Well, if he’s in deeper economic trouble, then we all are in deeper economic trouble.

David, Candy, Joe, we’re going to leave it there. Thanks.

– From AC360, February 11, 2009, Link to Full Transcript.

  • untilthelastdogdies

    Hey Susan! I watched this segment last night and I had the same initial reaction!

    All his (sometimes) gaffs aside, I think Biden was at least being honest regarding the chances of the stimulus package working.

    The damn thing will either work or it won’t. If it’s a long slog, Americans will become impatient and yes, 2012 will get VERY interesting.

    At long last, the MSM ,at least for purposes of this interview, is…dare I say it…becoming objective!

    Of course they could turn on a dime and start the Kool-Aid IV all over again. It’s doctor’s orders…

  • sfhillary

    Right…of course it’s going to fail. Because a demand/spending depression in which a couple trillion have been sucked out of the economy can’t possibly be aided in any way by hundreds of billions worth of fast fiscal stimulus. Why on earth would that work?

    Boy, you NQers are economic geniuses. And I know that your patriotism leads you all to be rooting for the plan’s success, right? It’s just your fiscal insight that’s leading you all to be predicting its flaming failure in one thread after another.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    “And the American people…will turn on Obama the instant it becomes clear that this hastily-tossed-together quick-fix of a bill is NOT doing the job…”

    And, our Dear Leader will learn that Wanting and Having (the Presidency) are two different things.

    Ah, Orwell (nee Blair) you were sooo prescient.

  • IndyPUMA

    That’s encouraging…. however, I wouldn’t be surprise if folks engage in lowering expectations either.

  • AlexisM

    I’m thrilled today that they will pass this bill. It is a disaster for America and will tank us. As bad as that is, we can’t do anything about it now having tried to fax, call and email the turncoats supporting it. Now we wait and pounce in 2010 and 2012. Farewell Comrade Obama!

    PS…This is a little example of where your First Amendment freedoms have gone under the new Commie Republic under the Pelosi-Obama reign of terror. A cop being suspended for 30 days for what he emailed someone from his private computer at his private home. This makes the Big Brother tales look tame. Heil Obama!

    An Iowa State trooper who was investigated after it was shown that he forwarded an e-mail showing mug shots of people wearing Obama t-shirts has been suspended for 30 days.

    Sgt. Rodney Hicok was at home and off-duty when he forwarded the e-mails, said an official with the Iowa Department of Public Safety Bureau and Professional Standards.

    The e-mail made disparaging remarks about 15 people in the photos and referred to Obama as having “quite a fan base.”

    Hicok was not making a racial statement, the official said, but, rather, a political statement.

  • ccwarrior

    Three more U.S. Representatives Demand Obama’s Birth Certificate Total Of 4 And More COMING….Momentum?
    http://www.countusout.wordpress.com

  • AlexisM

    sfhillary (troll) – sigh. Yes we are economic geniuses and yes it will fail. As patriots we did try to stop it. But Pelosi is determined to have her Bacon and Obama needs to keep those promises to pay back the people who purchased our White House for him. Good luck with that. I just have a question…when it fails will you say you are sorry for insulting all of us? Or will you blame Bush?

  • AlexisM

    ccwarrior….Woot Woot Woot! Let’s see how SCOTUS urinates on actual US Reps. How long are they going to be in the tank and commit fraud on this country too? At some point, this is going to be dealt with. Thank God for those patriots.

  • Disgusted

    Oh brother, You are swallowing this crap hook, line and sinker. Hopefully someday you will wake up. OT Have you gotten your golf cart full of condoms yet?

  • AlexisM

    ROFLMAO Disgusted.

    Well, at least it’s a “green” golf cart full of condoms!!!

  • http://www.dwarfhamster.com dst

    And the “Green” Pres. flies around burning tens of thousands of Gals. of fuel-oil on AF-1 in continued campaign mode. I suggest we include a Prius for him in the stim-bill.

  • AlexisM

    Hey, sfhillary…boy is this important! Way more important than actually helping American citizens, right?

    Harry Reid’s stimulating rail to Vegas

    February 12, 2009 09:36 AM

    President Obama lambasted businesses that use taxpayer money to visit Las Vegas.
    It’s okay, however, to use porkulus money to build pie-in-the-sky rail lines from Los Angeles to Vegas for Harry Reid’s benefit.
    A Hill staffer points out this morning that Reid and Obama are pushing for an $8 billion earmark in the conference report (shhh! there are no earmarks, remember?) to “construct high-speed rail lines, quadrupling the amount in the bill that passed the Senate on Tuesday. Reid’s office issued a statement noting that a proposed Los Angeles-to-Las Vegas rail might get a big chunk of the money.”
    The Hill staffer notes that Reid earmarked $45 million last year for the public magnetic levitation train project — which is in competition with a completely privately funded rail project being built along a similar route.
    No wonder they won’t let us see the bill before they rush to cram it down our throats.

  • James

    sfhillary,

    Read Paul Krugman’s criticisms of the bill. He attacks it from a liberal perspective.

  • IndyPUMA

    Isn’t he supposed to walk on water and stuff of that sort? Why does he need a plane?

    Forget a Prius, I say we force him to use a Segway on continental US. :0)

  • candymarl

    ccwarrior: It’s always been my contention that if you can prove your case and you have the documentation why spend so much money and time to prevent the public airing of such documents?

    There are those who say these people are nut jobs and whack jobs. Fine. Then prove it and end the whole thing.

    Let us move on and heal our country and economy.

  • FembotsForObama

    I think this remark is telling of how so many people are looking at this, incorrectly, I might add:

    “because, you know, a trillion-and-a-half dollars begins to sound like real money, ”

    I hope to God that they get this is REAL MONEY we’re talking about. Our money. Nope, I don’t think they do. It’s their play money and that’s what they are doing — playing with it and playing us in the process.

    BTW, Cooper still sounds like Pres 0′s apologist

  • cynic

    I suspect the highly personalized negativity of the right-leaning media–FOX news, in particular–had much to do with the media polarization that set in during 2008. Had their criticisms of Obama been less dogmatic, more factual, and less personal, many of the topics they raised would likely have found their way into the broader discussion.

    When the republican campaign strategests bought into that negativity and launched their endless barrage of personal attack ads, media polarization only strengthened. Much of the msm turned reactionary, giving increased attention to the opposing message.

    Heavy-handed tactics on the anti-Obama side of the equation essentially resulted in the containment of their own message. They were finally preaching only to the choir, and any valid points they could have made to a wider spectrum of voters got no farther than that.

    What we’re seeing now is a return to greater msm objectivity as that reactionary posture wears off. The question about FOX and similar outlets is whether anything useful to furthering the conservative cause was learned. They still seem to be pitching a negative message about Obama and democratic policy rather than focusing on a positive presentation of their own alternative views, so I remain skeptical about that.

  • http://baddemocrat08.wordpress.com/ obamastolemyboyfriend

    Well, it is about damn time! Impeach Obama now! I am not gonna stand for 4 years of this Obie BS and my guess is most americans won’t either if the country goes downhill fast!

  • wodiej

    oh geez…LMAO…kool aid flavored condoms at that…

  • wodiej

    good, people who have sense… red neck, bitter, bible clinging, gun slingers!!

  • Pennsylvania Red

    Jon Stewart has the audacity to poke fun at PIT0.

    How long before the other late nite hosts follow suit? (I predict Letterman will never abandon his
    her0.)

  • Obama: Dubya II – Electric Boogaloo

    Wow, I didn’t know Gergen, Crowley and Anderson Cooper were racists. I wonder why they hate black people?

    /snark

  • cynic

    I believe what they’re trying to do is make sure the money stays real. If something drastic isn’t done to snap the economy out of it’s downward spiral, the whole house of cards might come down. If money goes too long without moving it becomes nothing more than printed bits of paper.

  • OhioMary

    Hopefully we won’t have to wait until 2012 to make changes – we can vote some of them out in 2010. Here is letter I sent Schumer on Monday, not that it did any good.

    Dear Senator Schumer – Yes I know, I am not from your state, but you mentioned yesterday on TV that “Americans do not care about the pork in the stimulus package. Well guess what? EARTH TO SENATOR SCHUMER!!!!!

    AMERICANS WHO PAY THE BILL DO CARE!!!!!
    You need a reality check. Those of us who do pay our taxes don’t want to be paying for a bunch of pork that we don’t have to. Yes we want some type of bill passed, but not for funding the next democrat campaigns by funding groups like Acorn. We want our seniors taken care of not left to suffer in their old age. We are sick and tired of crooked congress trying to sneak pork into the stimulus package that they don’t have the nerve to have debated in the light of day. Wake up and smell the roses buddy. This bill is a piece of crap and you and the democrats are really showing the American public just how LITTLE you think of us. I am only sorry I do not vote in your state so I could vote your cheating self out. I will however, vote against any Ohio senator who votes for it. And yes, I am a registered democrat!

    Get some backbone and support America!

  • lorac

    Wow, I don’t agree with your assessment at all. Fox wasn’t very anti-Obama – many commentators were easy on him. Many republicans were upset that Fox wasn’t taking Obama on.

    You’re saying that every other MSM outlet was pro-Obama biased in reaction to one other station, which you feel was biased in the other direction. That’s a LOT of overkill, and also – how utterly unprofessional and irresponsible – not only to be so non-objective, but to do it in reaction to one other station?

    Since these other MSM stations are owned by pro-Obama corporations, it seems much more likely that the non-objectivity was something that was passed down.

    My suspicion is that you are repeating what you’ve heard about Fox, and aren’t basing this on actually spending any time watching it. And cutting every other station slack for their non-objectivity by blaming Fox is rationalization, IMO.

  • Grace

    Obama let Pelosi’s congress work on the whole stimulus package. He said during the primarys debates that if becoming president, he was gonna be the “executive,” not a bureaucratic “manager” doing the paper work and all that undignifying stuff, because it ‘d be a waste of his magnificent talents.

    He trusted that Congress was going to be in his pocket. And also because he didn’t have his own so called bipartisan plan. It’s all rethoric, nothing done in terms of real work. Even his saying “we only have one president at a time” was a way of buying time.

    Obama’s Achilles’s heel will be to overestimate his power as a symbol and his ability to hypnotize the crowds. That’s exactly why he went again into a campaigning mode, after only 2 1/2 weeks of his presidency. And I thought that I wouldn’t have to see the rallies with the hysterical, fainting people gain. I was wrong on that one.

  • AlexisM

    cynic…Fox told the truth about the Fraud of your “President” and for that they deserve a big prize. The other bought and paid for MSM are why we have this criminal in the White House. Period. God bless Hannity, Beck, etc. and all the people who told the truth.

  • AlexisM

    I don’t think he’s going to make it through all four years. The people suing him about the BC are never, never, never going to stop. Never. It will be exposed that he’s not legit. Also, once Americans get a real look at the Bacon Bill, and the economy tanks, I predict people storming DC with pitchforks and lanterns wanting their money back.

  • cynic

    You’re saying that every other MSM outlet was pro-Obama biased in reaction to one other station, which you feel was biased in the other direction.

    I’m suggesting FOX might have been a big factor in increased polarization. I watched FOX quite a lot through the entire campaign. (I still do. I figure you’ve got to take stuff in across the whole spectrum to get anything like a clear view.) Initially I suspected other msm outlets of having a slant; FOX, on the other hand, seemed to have an agenda. Maybe that perception was heightened by a few high-profile figures such as Sean Hannity.

    One suspicion I have about media across the board is that there’s a slant and a selection of focus that’s far too driven by vier counts. Ratings are a hell of a thing to use to define the actual importance of content. This explains why we got endless weeks of OJ trial melodrama and related b.s. commentary, while far more important news and events were totally neglected.

    To FOX’s credit, they do have some good, level-headed reporters and commentators. I don’t deny that.

  • cynic

    …that’s far too driven by viewer counts…

  • I’m a Linda too

    Yes Candy, we get a naseous feeling pretty much every time we hear Obama or the media swooning over him.

  • Gary McGowan

    How about we use that money to convert now unused floorspace in Detroit (for example) to manufacture maglevs here in the U.S.A.?

    And give work to the now unemployed auto industry workers building those maglevs…

    between cities that actually PRODUCE things.

    The world as it can be:
    http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps2.html

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    Let the adults/Clintonistas take over.

  • Bazooka

    Susan,

    Are you joking!!

    Obama has very very strong support amongst the American population. In fact, his support is a larger percentage than who voted for him, meaning that many who voted for McCain are behind him.

    See the stimulus plan for example:

    “Public support for an $800 billion economic stimulus package has increased to 59% in a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Tuesday night, up from 52% in Gallup polling a week ago, as well as in late January.”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/114577/Stimulus-Support-Edges-Higher.aspx

    Also:

    “The American public gives President Barack Obama a strong 67% approval rating for the way in which he is handling the government’s efforts to pass an economic stimulus bill, while the Democrats and, in particular, the Republicans in Congress receive much lower approval ratings of 48% and 31%, respectively.”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/114202/Obama-Upper-Hand-Stimulus-Fight.aspx

    Susan, you are reading too many right-wing hatchet- job columns. Support for the Republicans on the other hand is horrible. Only 31% of American approve of the way they handled the stimulus. Far less than the number who voted for McCain.

    The American people see through the Republican party’s attempt to torpedo Obama right out of the gate. It is very shameful that Republicans are playing politics with many serious issues. Just like NQ attempts to torpedo Obama by promoting all the Republican talking points. It ain’t working and if that is all the Republicans got, they ain’t going to be winning any elections anytime soon.

    Obama is doing a very good job so far in a very difficult situation. He has done more in the first three weeks than Bush did in the last 4 years.

  • Gary McGowan

    Actually this should be looked into more

    News From USWA: USWA Hails Passage of High-Speed Magnetic … [this is April 2004]

    “New manufacturing facilities needed to produce maglev systems promise job expansion in … A FEW MONTHS ago, the prospect of a magnetic levitation transportation system … for a proposed high-speed, magnetic levitation train between… [on this page a link re the Las Vegas line too]
    http://www.allbusiness.com/transportation/rail-transportation-high-speed-trains/5642435-1.html

    ———— and ———–

    The paper contains an evaluation of potential air travel reduction along the east coast if maglev service were available and a comparison of energy consumption between maglev and conventional modes of travel. Finally, the paper contains estimates of reductions in carbon dioxide greenhouse gas emissions resulting from diversions of travel from autos and aircraft to the proposed maglev service along the eastern seaboard.

    2007 – This is a PDF file:
    http://www.kci.com/projects/case-studies/maglev-reduction-in-air-travel-and-greenhouse/at_download/file

  • oowawa

    with pitchforks and lanterns

    (sigh) Alexis, lanterns just aren’t going to get it. We need something we can hold upright and wave around in the air! Torches! Let’s have a sense of tradition about this storming-the-castle business . . .

  • b mathews

    can someone please tell me why ACORN is getting 300 billion in this stimulus package??? oh right…its obamas payoff for helping him steal the whitehouse. why is no one asking about this?

  • sfhillary

    Why will it fail? Please elaborate. Cause, ya know, asserting it will fail is not the same as actually understanding enough economics to explain why you think it will fail.

  • Jaycephus

    And something like a total of 16-17% gets spent within the next 24 months. Only 3% of it gets spent in the first year. I’m not sure how the tax-rebates fit into the above percentages, but since it works out to $10-$20 dollars in less payroll withholding per month over a 2 year period, I’m not sure it matters.

    What kind of complete BRAIN-DONOR do you have to be to think this is going to have a real effect on the recession. It could be OVER in 24 months.

    I am sick of Obama myrmydons acting like this is a solution. It’s just massive deficit spending on our bureaucracy. How can you claim to be intelligent, call Bush wrong for tax-rebates and massive deficit spending, blame the recession on him, and then tell me that the solution to the recession is to DOUBLE Bush’s deficit spending? AND NOT just any spending. We’re going to give out tax-rebates and build bigger government.

  • AlexisM

    sfhillary, we did this on another thread already. And the troll stuff got my blood boiling so much that I got in trouble for calling you what I think you are. So I will refrain.

    Why don’t we put it the other way…take every single big piece of spending, all the way to golf carts, furniture for offices, etc. and tell me exactly how that money gets into the taxpayer’s pockets and how it creates jobs. I have never seen you do that myself. And I don’t mean talk in your generalities and use the troll talking points you are paid to spew. I mean take every single big piece of money that is spent and tell us exactly how the money gets into our pockets and creates jobs. Good luck. It’s a piece of crap. Period.

    There’s so much about it that’s wrong that I could do this with you all day. But you come here to provoke people and stir the pot. I will ignore you unless and until you say something intelligent, which likely won’t happen anyway.

  • AlexisM

    Oops, my bad oowawa. You’re right, torches it is. I bet Walmart has a run on pitchforks and torches soon too!

  • sfhillary

    Yeah, exactly, he doesn’t think it’s big enough and he thinks it’s too focused on tax cuts. Whereas you people apparently think it’s too big. You even have cut-and-pastes from Rush Limbaugh’s website (“porkulus”) to prove it.

    I’m trying to read a few threads here but I have yet to see a single coherent criticism of the overall aim of the bill: to pump an enormous amount of cash as quickly as possible into a system that is reeling from lack of liquidity. There are certainly a few hardcore libertarian economists who don’t buy this theory, but I don’t hear that critique here at NQ. I just here “I don’t like Obama, so his bill must suck.” While also approvingly referencing Krugman, et al, who think precisely the opposite: that the bill doesn’t go far enough.

    This site’s criticisms are incoherent, as always.

  • Jaycephus

    :snark: But Vegas doesn’t PRODUCE anything! And what happens in Vegas, STAYS in Vegas, so why do THEY need a high-speed train!

    ;)

  • Jaycephus

    And a Fox poll says:

    Less than half (45 percent) of Americans think “Barack Obama’s proposed $825 billion dollar economic recovery plan” will help the economy. Twenty-nine percent think the plan will not make a difference, while 18 percent think it will hurt the economy. Democrats (63 percent) are much more likely than independents (43 percent) or Republicans (22 percent) to think the recovery plan will help.

    And Rasmussen polls are also worse for Obama’s plan.

    There is also a lot of confusion on polling, and answers depend on whether the poll is asking about stimulus in general or Obama’s plan in particular. Given that a LOT of people think Obama’s plan includes some checks in the mail for them, the numbers have to be a little misleading. Now that we are finding out that the tax rebate is actually a reduction in withholding of $10-$20 per month over two years, the polls will certainly be less favorable next week. And we’re still hearing new details and having earmarks added at the last second, so check back later.

  • Gary McGowan

    FBI Targeting Major Financial Firms for Fraud

    February 12, 2009 (LPAC)–The FBI is targeting 38 major firms for fraud “directly related to the current economic crisis,” according to a top FBI official, and ultimately the number could rise into the hundreds. “These are companies, businesses that everybody knows about,” said John Pistole, the FBI’s Deputy Director.

    He described the investigations as “large, complex,” and similar to the Enron investigation. On other occasions, federal officials have fingered Lehman Brothers, American International Group, Countrywide Financial, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as under criminal investigation.

    Several criminal cases are underway against firms involved in the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), testified the Special Inspector General for the TARP program, Neil Barofsky, who added that he is working closely with other agencies, the New York State Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo.

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, who chaired yesterday’s hearing on corporate fraud, told the witnesses that “I want to see people prosecuted,” adding, “I want to see people who have committed such fraud and the havoc it’s caused to this country — frankly, I want to see them go to jail.”

  • The Real HC

    Why do you keep linking this same thing over and over. Go get some new material please. Then go get a job doing surveys so that you can understand their (non)value.

  • FLDemFem

    At $40,000 an hour for fuel. And this weekend he and Michelle are flying to Chicago for the weekend, and a Valentine’s Day date night out. Taking the girls along too. So, the date night/weekend is going to cost the taxpayers upwards of $250,000 after you toss in security measures. $140,000 for gas round trip to Chicago, and the other $110,000 for miscellaneous, aka security, limos, etc. He is spending the equivalent of half his yearly salary, of our money, on a fun weekend with the family. So much for sacrificing anything. Add in the fact that he keeps the Oval Office so warm people can’t wear jackets int here without passing out from the heat, and you have a president that tells Americans to sacrifice while living conspicuously high on the hog at their expense. The man is a disgusting hypocrite.

  • FLDemFem

    Um, they are the same people who foisted the last criminal on us, George Bush. So they finally woke up and smelled the coffee all of a sudden? I don’t think so. If Obummer had been Republican, they would have been just as enamored of him as the rest of the MSM. They are a partisan organization, unashamedly so apparently. And if they have seen the light, why aren’t they calling for Bush to be indicted for his crimes?

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    Of course it’s going to fail and it’s because Obama didn’t listen to the right people such as Krugman or the academics who wrote
    Restoring Financial Stability: How to Repair a Failed System
    . It’s too heavy on tax cuts and too light on helping industries create jobs.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    The failure is his lack of seriousness from the get go. His failure to listen to the people I mentionned.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    Paid troll,

    Charm and polls don’t preclude the impending economic meltdown.

    An Obot wrote:

    I voted for him. He’s still charming, well-educated, and eloquent — but, Obama’s “compromise/reach out across the aisle” economic advisors are just producing economic stupidity (minus some of the Republican plutocratic meanness and outright theft).

    If Obama doesn’t hire some smart people to help him soon, all his charm may not save us from an impending economic meltdown.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Gergen “….And I think that he [BO] is in danger of being overexposed…

    Sorry DAVE!!! (Man oh MAN) This is the digital age DAVE!

    The vote for this Guiness Book of World Record Sausage is set for Friday the 13th…DAVE.

    BO? Overexposed? HA! Pat can go at this guy for days and he will never be that.

    Great Point SusanUnPc.

    “Nobody knows” is the secrecy of the last 8 years and now we can look forward to 4 more years of “nobody knows” but in a very different way. The truth is there very serious people that DO know. BO and his “big tent” sideshow are not among them.

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