Comments on: Cheaters Never Win http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/ Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Mandelay http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141407 Mandelay Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:33:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141407 :-) I live in NYC and the average "rent" is now $3,000/month. New "housing" always turns out to be luxury apartments. How can working people afford to live in the city? People like me who grew up in NYC have been driven out for the last 30 years. Pretty soon the powers that be will keep us working people on barges out on the river, ferried over each morning to serve the luxury apartment dwellers and then ferried off to the barges to keep the luxury apartment dwellers from too much exposure to real people. It's true. Every mayor since I was born had a portrait of Fiorello LaGuardia in his office. And every mayor since I was born has crawled into bed with the real estate lobby. Heavy contributions to both parties ensure the ever-disappearing number of affordable rental units. So much greed. :-) I live in NYC and the average “rent” is now $3,000/month. New “housing” always turns out to be luxury apartments. How can working people afford to live in the city? People like me who grew up in NYC have been driven out for the last 30 years. Pretty soon the powers that be will keep us working people on barges out on the river, ferried over each morning to serve the luxury apartment dwellers and then ferried off to the barges to keep the luxury apartment dwellers from too much exposure to real people. It’s true. Every mayor since I was born had a portrait of Fiorello LaGuardia in his office. And every mayor since I was born has crawled into bed with the real estate lobby. Heavy contributions to both parties ensure the ever-disappearing number of affordable rental units. So much greed.

]]> By: LD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141400 LD Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:16:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141400 The game is not over. The game is not over.

]]> By: cathnealon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141397 cathnealon Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:03:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141397 I always remember from my college days the contention by either Dostoevsky or Nietschze--"if there is no God then anything is allowed." Well, there must be alot of people raising their kids and behaving as if there is no God. I used this to raise my five children, whenever they seemed to be going down the wrong path or being unkind to someone I asked them "if there is a God and the ultimate consequence of heaven or hell where do you think that behavior will lead?" It always seemed to stop them in their tracks. And more than that we tried not to engage in behavior that we were asking them not to engage in. So there is a problem in this country and BO's mass appeal must be tapping into this lack of guidance experienced by so many these past 2 or 3 decades. I always remember from my college days the contention by either Dostoevsky or Nietschze–”if there is no God then anything is allowed.” Well, there must be alot of people raising their kids and behaving as if there is no God. I used this to raise my five children, whenever they seemed to be going down the wrong path or being unkind to someone I asked them “if there is a God and the ultimate consequence of heaven or hell where do you think that behavior will lead?” It always seemed to stop them in their tracks. And more than that we tried not to engage in behavior that we were asking them not to engage in. So there is a problem in this country and BO’s mass appeal must be tapping into this lack of guidance experienced by so many these past 2 or 3 decades.

]]> By: ripalinsky http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141384 ripalinsky Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:51:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141384 Cheaters never win? Yes they do. Yes, they have, and now control the nation. Cheaters never win? Yes they do. Yes, they have, and now control the nation.

]]> By: cynic http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141265 cynic Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:32:59 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141265 Good article. It's all a matter of what we're brought up to value, isn't it? If we're brought up to understand that worth resides in character, we easily see that cheaters are losers, even when surrounded by symbols of success. We see the emptiness hiding behind the trophy collection. If we've slipped sometime and gained through theft or a lie, we look back on the moment with shame and <em>know</em> we were diminished by the error. Anything so gained lacks luster. If we're <em>not</em> brought up that way, we'll probably envy a cheater for his trophies and conclude that cheaters win frequently. We might conclude that the key to success lies in getting the goods and not getting caught. We'll only recognize our own emptiness as an inexplicable hunger for the trophies we lack. It seems like there are a lot more people in that second category than there used to be. Our society just doesn't seem to be transmitting the right messages anymore. Most messages seem to be about the virtue of getting the goods. Good article.

It’s all a matter of what we’re brought up to value, isn’t it?

If we’re brought up to understand that worth resides in character, we easily see that cheaters are losers, even when surrounded by symbols of success. We see the emptiness hiding behind the trophy collection. If we’ve slipped sometime and gained through theft or a lie, we look back on the moment with shame and know we were diminished by the error. Anything so gained lacks luster.

If we’re not brought up that way, we’ll probably envy a cheater for his trophies and conclude that cheaters win frequently. We might conclude that the key to success lies in getting the goods and not getting caught. We’ll only recognize our own emptiness as an inexplicable hunger for the trophies we lack.

It seems like there are a lot more people in that second category than there used to be. Our society just doesn’t seem to be transmitting the right messages anymore. Most messages seem to be about the virtue of getting the goods.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141224 lark Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:44:14 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141224 LD, since it seems you are trying to understand not only what went wrong but how to fix it, then I will humbly give you a hint or a way to find out. You will find out when you can explain why rental fees or rental rates go up in apartment complexes. How is it that rent increases happen or why? It is moral? Is it correct? And the final question, can capitalism exists at the same time that certain provision be mandated and enforced so that the capitalization of apartment complexes and rental property be so much bounded by the actual purpose of the industry, that such immoral behavior from those who delve in that industry is subdued to the point that it is actually a privilege to own such types of properties? No I am not talking about rent controls. I am talking about capitalization controls. LD, since it seems you are trying to understand not only what went wrong but how to fix it, then I will humbly give you a hint or a way to find out. You will find out when you can explain why rental fees or rental rates go up in apartment complexes. How is it that rent increases happen or why? It is moral? Is it correct?

And the final question, can capitalism exists at the same time that certain provision be mandated and enforced so that the capitalization of apartment complexes and rental property be so much bounded by the actual purpose of the industry, that such immoral behavior from those who delve in that industry is subdued to the point that it is actually a privilege to own such types of properties? No I am not talking about rent controls. I am talking about capitalization controls.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141218 lark Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:31:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141218 No, your post has great relevance and is important reading. Not LD's. No, your post has great relevance and is important reading. Not LD’s.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141213 lark Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:26:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141213 <blockquote>the biggest cheaters are winning</blockquote> <blockquote>let’s collectively hold them accountable</blockquote> Pastors and priests who may be the biggest cheaters, and certainly always perform like they are winning, will collectively be held accountable by their fate and not by their faith.

the biggest cheaters are winning

let’s collectively hold them accountable

Pastors and priests who may be the biggest cheaters, and certainly always perform like they are winning, will collectively be held accountable by their fate and not by their faith.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141207 lark Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:18:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141207 Government has no business in education, but they thought like Obama says today of government intervention in the economy, that the were the only solution. During more innocent times it worked fairly good but then the justice system through the judges intervened so poisonous in the educational system that no amount of discretion is allowed anymore. The little learning that happens, if someone wants to call learning what children learn in school, is plenty offset by the amount of vulgarity that is added in the mixture. Is just too much. Best thing is to keep importing the best brains that foreign countries can offer, no? Government has no business in education, but they thought like Obama says today of government intervention in the economy, that the were the only solution. During more innocent times it worked fairly good but then the justice system through the judges intervened so poisonous in the educational system that no amount of discretion is allowed anymore. The little learning that happens, if someone wants to call learning what children learn in school, is plenty offset by the amount of vulgarity that is added in the mixture. Is just too much. Best thing is to keep importing the best brains that foreign countries can offer, no?

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141200 lark Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:07:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141200 <blockquote>In my opinion, I believe both of these individuals are representative of a society that has become far too lax in tolerating a lack of decency and integrity. This is not good business!!</blockquote> Finally something I can agree with you about. And I like where you directly link morality with business. From here a lot more could be built. <blockquote>The greatness of our country is in its diversity... I believe we are paying the price for the long term erosion of a set of core values founded on decency and integrity. </blockquote> I am glad you see it that way. Today I saw a black man walking with his hands under his pants, presumably holding his penis, naturally walking his way around. Not the first time I see that. Dumbfounded, what I just said has nothing to do with the subject at hand. <blockquote>Where do we see this erosion? I guess the question could be posed as, where don’t we see it? </blockquote> ^ <blockquote>by changing the nature of the dialogue, we can change the nature of our business and economy</blockquote> What? I am glad I can say maybe I have had a minuscule influence in your thinking. Nah! <blockquote>a society that tolerates cheating en masse is destined to failure</blockquote> <blockquote>Sorry if some view this as preaching but I, like many of you, am past the point of accepting the multiple corrosive aspects of our society that create a cesspool for our economy as a whole.</blockquote> Applause! The biggest threat to what you just said today coming from the new WH administration is the new office of Faith and Community Partnership. When minority pastors and preachers get hooked on the money supply that will be there for their taking, what is bad and stinking today will become so putrid and decrepit that crying will simply not do the job. Separation of church and state in the Constitution says something, but it really meant something else. One the other hand, Christ did asked his disciples, I said his disciples, to separate themselves from the influence of money. Too bad many of them couldn't.

In my opinion, I believe both of these individuals are representative of a society that has become far too lax in tolerating a lack of decency and integrity. This is not good business!!

Finally something I can agree with you about. And I like where you directly link morality with business. From here a lot more could be built.

The greatness of our country is in its diversity… I believe we are paying the price for the long term erosion of a set of core values founded on decency and integrity.

I am glad you see it that way. Today I saw a black man walking with his hands under his pants, presumably holding his penis, naturally walking his way around. Not the first time I see that. Dumbfounded, what I just said has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Where do we see this erosion? I guess the question could be posed as, where don’t we see it?

^

by changing the nature of the dialogue, we can change the nature of our business and economy

What? I am glad I can say maybe I have had a minuscule influence in your thinking. Nah!

a society that tolerates cheating en masse is destined to failure

Sorry if some view this as preaching but I, like many of you, am past the point of accepting the multiple corrosive aspects of our society that create a cesspool for our economy as a whole.

Applause!

The biggest threat to what you just said today coming from the new WH administration is the new office of Faith and Community Partnership. When minority pastors and preachers get hooked on the money supply that will be there for their taking, what is bad and stinking today will become so putrid and decrepit that crying will simply not do the job.

Separation of church and state in the Constitution says something, but it really meant something else. One the other hand, Christ did asked his disciples, I said his disciples, to separate themselves from the influence of money. Too bad many of them couldn’t.

]]> By: ChooChooMagoo http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141197 ChooChooMagoo Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:05:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141197 Great post LD. It needed saying. It may have to be repeated regularly and forcefully. But ya got to start somewhere. Well done. Great post LD.

It needed saying. It may have to be repeated regularly and forcefully. But ya got to start somewhere. Well done.

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141196 Karma Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:04:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141196 Ripple of Hope - "It is from numberless diverse acts of courage such as these that the belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Robert F. Kennedy Day of Affirmation Address at Cape Town University ~~~ Sunup....Great teachers stay with us for the rest of our lives. Anytime you are having a bad day you can reflect on what a positive impact both you and your daughter have had on so many...it is truly spreading a 'ripple of hope'. Ripple of Hope –

“It is from numberless diverse acts of courage such as these that the belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”

Robert F. Kennedy

Day of Affirmation Address at Cape Town University

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Sunup….Great teachers stay with us for the rest of our lives. Anytime you are having a bad day you can reflect on what a positive impact both you and your daughter have had on so many…it is truly spreading a ‘ripple of hope’.

]]> By: Mandelay http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141185 Mandelay Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:35:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141185 The "cheating, indecencies and corruption" mentioned in Nancy Sabet's comment above make up only what we know -- or think we know -- of what's happening in our country. I'm starting to get the feeling that it's only the tip of a very foul iceberg. I don't know if it would make a difference in the long term or even change "the way things work," but yesterday, I finally broke through Wednesday's day-long jam up of the phone lines of my two senators -- Chuck "Little Porky" Schumer and Kristin "I was a Blue Dog Democrat But Now I Must Survive" Gillibrand. I gave the poor soul at the end of each phone line a piece of my mind about some of the "stuff" in the stimulus package. But what really amazed me was the phone-line jam up on Wednesday. Many, many people like us were calling and I don't think they were calling to make happy talk with Chuck and Kirstin. It must have given them a scare. If it happens again, and keeps happening every time they want to make a move that benefits them more than us, we might have a chance to take back the country. It could work in reverse with regard to baseball. Instead of showing up at the ballpark, packing the place and buying up all those $5.00 hot dogs, as we scream nasty words at players who take/are suspected of taking drugs, what happens if we just don't show up? No ticket sales. No concession sales. Hey! No beer! No revenue. We have more power than we think. We lack confidence, perhaps! The “cheating, indecencies and corruption” mentioned in Nancy Sabet’s comment above make up only what we know — or think we know — of what’s happening in our country. I’m starting to get the feeling that it’s only the tip of a very foul iceberg. I don’t know if it would make a difference in the long term or even change “the way things work,” but yesterday, I finally broke through Wednesday’s day-long jam up of the phone lines of my two senators — Chuck “Little Porky” Schumer and Kristin “I was a Blue Dog Democrat But Now I Must Survive” Gillibrand. I gave the poor soul at the end of each phone line a piece of my mind about some of the “stuff” in the stimulus package. But what really amazed me was the phone-line jam up on Wednesday. Many, many people like us were calling and I don’t think they were calling to make happy talk with Chuck and Kirstin. It must have given them a scare. If it happens again, and keeps happening every time they want to make a move that benefits them more than us, we might have a chance to take back the country.
It could work in reverse with regard to baseball. Instead of showing up at the ballpark, packing the place and buying up all those $5.00 hot dogs, as we scream nasty words at players who take/are suspected of taking drugs, what happens if we just don’t show up? No ticket sales. No concession sales. Hey! No beer! No revenue.
We have more power than we think. We lack confidence, perhaps!

]]> By: Mandelay http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141174 Mandelay Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:18:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141174 <em>For anyone else interested in searching for George Soros, I googled the phrase "FBI investigates George Soros" and among the many articles with those words this one popped up. It's from 2006, concerns the Mark Foley sexual misconduct scandal. But the names and organizatins that pop up within the article, and the references to George Soros, are quite interesting. BTW, I have never visited this "frontpagemag.com" site before so I have no idea where they're coming from. I can decide if this is like peeling an onion or trying to shake hands with an octopus. In any event, I think it's highly unlikely that George Soros could ever be a role model. Here's that link:</em> http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D8843C2D-EC2A-4CC4-917A-C667A99E3755 For anyone else interested in searching for George Soros, I googled the phrase “FBI investigates George Soros” and among the many articles with those words this one popped up. It’s from 2006, concerns the Mark Foley sexual misconduct scandal. But the names and organizatins that pop up within the article, and the references to George Soros, are quite interesting. BTW, I have never visited this “frontpagemag.com” site before so I have no idea where they’re coming from. I can decide if this is like peeling an onion or trying to shake hands with an octopus. In any event, I think it’s highly unlikely that George Soros could ever be a role model. Here’s that link:

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D8843C2D-EC2A-4CC4-917A-C667A99E3755

]]> By: nancy sabet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14148/cheaters-never-win/#comment-1141171 nancy sabet Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:09:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=14148#comment-1141171 Larry you are right about the state of our country. I wonder how we , the people, can tolorate the cheating, indecencies and corruption in our politics and don't care about it to voice our outrage. Larry you are right about the state of our country. I wonder how we , the people, can tolorate the cheating, indecencies and corruption in our politics and don’t care about it to voice our outrage.

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