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		<title>By: nohalf</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143865</link>
		<dc:creator>nohalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I hope you never have an accident out of State.</description>
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		<title>By: nohalf</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143860</link>
		<dc:creator>nohalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does not guarantee health care for all, I was commenting on the British system that does. 

What this plan means if you travel outer state, even within your state this means that if you have an accident the Doctor that is treating you knows of any conditions that may affect treatment. If you need to be provided with certain drugs, the Doctor and hospital knows what others were charged. It puts downward pressure on medical prices, which if you may have noticed are going up massively. 

This allows the Agency that President Bush set up the IT equipment to realize its aim. It is in the Recovery Act because it provides a much needed boost to an ailing IT industry and improves health access.

As for being proud of our Health Care and not wanting change, only the most extreme Republican would say that. Even John McCain was suggesting this. We have the highest costs and lowest outcomes for that. Our health care is #37 in the World. That is a national disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does not guarantee health care for all, I was commenting on the British system that does. </p>
<p>What this plan means if you travel outer state, even within your state this means that if you have an accident the Doctor that is treating you knows of any conditions that may affect treatment. If you need to be provided with certain drugs, the Doctor and hospital knows what others were charged. It puts downward pressure on medical prices, which if you may have noticed are going up massively. </p>
<p>This allows the Agency that President Bush set up the IT equipment to realize its aim. It is in the Recovery Act because it provides a much needed boost to an ailing IT industry and improves health access.</p>
<p>As for being proud of our Health Care and not wanting change, only the most extreme Republican would say that. Even John McCain was suggesting this. We have the highest costs and lowest outcomes for that. Our health care is #37 in the World. That is a national disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143633</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is advantages and disadvantages.  Having computerized medical records will stop the doctor/practitioner from re-inventing the wheel.  We do that allot.  If patient x had a unpleasant reaction to medication y several years ago..the patient doesn&#039;t remember the name of the medication..then the new doctor will prescribe it again in a waste of time and money. 

I have yet to figure out how they are getting all the different systems to work together in some efficient manner, but we will see.  It does help treatment in the VA facilities.  It also helps identify narcotic abusers who go from doctor to doctor to get narcotic prescriptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is advantages and disadvantages.  Having computerized medical records will stop the doctor/practitioner from re-inventing the wheel.  We do that allot.  If patient x had a unpleasant reaction to medication y several years ago..the patient doesn&#8217;t remember the name of the medication..then the new doctor will prescribe it again in a waste of time and money. </p>
<p>I have yet to figure out how they are getting all the different systems to work together in some efficient manner, but we will see.  It does help treatment in the VA facilities.  It also helps identify narcotic abusers who go from doctor to doctor to get narcotic prescriptions.</p>
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		<title>By: sarainitaly</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143589</link>
		<dc:creator>sarainitaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to push for universal healthcare in america. I have it here in Italy, and am very pleased with the care my family receives. We also have a few doctors and nurses in the family, so I see both sides of the whole system.

However, after witnessing the collapse of the banking industry, the housing industry, fannie mae/freddie mac, and the crap the Dems pulled this primary, I am totally rethinking the idea.

I used to believe the Dems cared. Now I see they are just as crooked and geedy and pathetic as the rest of them. 

I really worry about turning the healthcare system over to the government anymore. Universal healthcare is only as good as the people working for the system. If you have dedicated, responsible, honest caregivers, clerical workers, managers and vendors, the system works great. But, throw in a few bad fish and the whole system will rot. And I no longer have faith in the Dems to not rot the pot.

I definitely think something needs to be done. Insurance companies denying treatment must not continue. But, I seriously worry about handing over the health care industry to the government. 

I can see the benefit of computerized health records, but I can also see the downfall. That was my objection to this in the stimulus bill. I believe it should be handled in a seperate bill, with all kinds of controls, and laws put in place, and part of a broader plan. I don&#039;t trust those sitting in DC to do the right thing. They lost my trust.

Great article though! Very informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to push for universal healthcare in america. I have it here in Italy, and am very pleased with the care my family receives. We also have a few doctors and nurses in the family, so I see both sides of the whole system.</p>
<p>However, after witnessing the collapse of the banking industry, the housing industry, fannie mae/freddie mac, and the crap the Dems pulled this primary, I am totally rethinking the idea.</p>
<p>I used to believe the Dems cared. Now I see they are just as crooked and geedy and pathetic as the rest of them. </p>
<p>I really worry about turning the healthcare system over to the government anymore. Universal healthcare is only as good as the people working for the system. If you have dedicated, responsible, honest caregivers, clerical workers, managers and vendors, the system works great. But, throw in a few bad fish and the whole system will rot. And I no longer have faith in the Dems to not rot the pot.</p>
<p>I definitely think something needs to be done. Insurance companies denying treatment must not continue. But, I seriously worry about handing over the health care industry to the government. </p>
<p>I can see the benefit of computerized health records, but I can also see the downfall. That was my objection to this in the stimulus bill. I believe it should be handled in a seperate bill, with all kinds of controls, and laws put in place, and part of a broader plan. I don&#8217;t trust those sitting in DC to do the right thing. They lost my trust.</p>
<p>Great article though! Very informative.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143572</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree Chris. No one fought harder against universal health care than Newt Gingrich and anything he supports in medical care gives me pause. Did you see Michael Moore&#039;s film on health care, SICKO? He pointed out Gingrich and others in congress were taking donations from pharmaceutical and health insurance companies during the time they were opposing Hillary&#039;s health care program. Tom Daschel opposed Hillary&#039;s health care proposal as being too complex because it mandated heath care for everyone. As it exists now, insurance companies can refuse to accept a patient if there are pre-existing conditions and although the technology may be helpful in some ways, there is always a danger when private info can be made public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree Chris. No one fought harder against universal health care than Newt Gingrich and anything he supports in medical care gives me pause. Did you see Michael Moore&#8217;s film on health care, SICKO? He pointed out Gingrich and others in congress were taking donations from pharmaceutical and health insurance companies during the time they were opposing Hillary&#8217;s health care program. Tom Daschel opposed Hillary&#8217;s health care proposal as being too complex because it mandated heath care for everyone. As it exists now, insurance companies can refuse to accept a patient if there are pre-existing conditions and although the technology may be helpful in some ways, there is always a danger when private info can be made public.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit I am confused by the claims here that this guarantees health care for everyone, nohalf. From reading the legislation, it appears to be no more than an attempt to organize and distribute information. I can&#039;t imagine Newt Gingrich agreeing to any part of a bill creating universal health care and this is what Hillary advocated. In fact, if Gingrich is advocating for this bill, that alone would make me suspicious given who hard he has fought in the past to make sure the health insurance industry is given the benefit of the doubt in reguard to paying for treatment. It is my understanding this bill was based in large part on Tom Daschle&#039;s book and ideas and he lobbied for pharmaceuticals. It doesn&#039;t address the problems with HMOs and PPOs which were the creation of the Nixon administration. Too often these things have been pushed into law and are difficult to go back and change. Obama has never supported mandetory insurance for adults and it&#039;s doubtful he ever will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit I am confused by the claims here that this guarantees health care for everyone, nohalf. From reading the legislation, it appears to be no more than an attempt to organize and distribute information. I can&#8217;t imagine Newt Gingrich agreeing to any part of a bill creating universal health care and this is what Hillary advocated. In fact, if Gingrich is advocating for this bill, that alone would make me suspicious given who hard he has fought in the past to make sure the health insurance industry is given the benefit of the doubt in reguard to paying for treatment. It is my understanding this bill was based in large part on Tom Daschle&#8217;s book and ideas and he lobbied for pharmaceuticals. It doesn&#8217;t address the problems with HMOs and PPOs which were the creation of the Nixon administration. Too often these things have been pushed into law and are difficult to go back and change. Obama has never supported mandetory insurance for adults and it&#8217;s doubtful he ever will.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexisM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143564</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS...As a reminder of what the plans are for us...

&lt;strong&gt;Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan.  
&lt;/strong&gt;
I just can&#039;t believe people are buying into this crap that we should just &quot;accept negative diagnoses&quot; that mean the end and not try to treat them with &quot;expensive&quot; treatments.  This is reprehensible.  I wonder if he gets sick what he will do?  Take a few aspirin and call us in the morning?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_mccaughey&amp;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&#8230;As a reminder of what the plans are for us&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan.<br />
</strong><br />
I just can&#8217;t believe people are buying into this crap that we should just &#8220;accept negative diagnoses&#8221; that mean the end and not try to treat them with &#8220;expensive&#8221; treatments.  This is reprehensible.  I wonder if he gets sick what he will do?  Take a few aspirin and call us in the morning?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&#038;refer=columnist_mccaughey&#038;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&#038;refer=columnist_mccaughey&#038;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs</a></p>
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		<title>By: andrew191</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143563</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magicians use distraction to get the audience to look away from the real trick. Con men use greed to manipulate their targets. Politicians use both tactics, they&#039;ll wave a dollar in front of you, and when you concentrate on the little keep away game to grab the dollar, they&#039;ll steal your wallet that&#039;s FULL of money.

I&#039;ve read this whole thread, and while the argument rages back and forth over the merits of the health care provisions in the Swindle-us bill, no one has yet questioned just what the hell they&#039;re doing in the bill in the first place! Don&#039;t you think that such issues should be adressed separately? The fact that such important, but unrelated issues were quietly slipped into one of the most ponderous and hastilly written pieces of legistrative robbery, should cause all kinds of alarm bells to go off.

The real and substantive debate at this point isn&#039;t the form of socialized medical care our government could supply, but whether or not government should be involved in the first place damn-it.

The saddist thing our last election demonstrates is the unrecognized loss of personal freedom and responsibility that a majority of our people have eschewed in favor of kleptoparasitic government solutions. Every new power our government assumes, represents another aspect of our lives with which we will no longer be free to exercise our own judgement. We may have reached the tipping point that Ayn Rand wrote about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magicians use distraction to get the audience to look away from the real trick. Con men use greed to manipulate their targets. Politicians use both tactics, they&#8217;ll wave a dollar in front of you, and when you concentrate on the little keep away game to grab the dollar, they&#8217;ll steal your wallet that&#8217;s FULL of money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read this whole thread, and while the argument rages back and forth over the merits of the health care provisions in the Swindle-us bill, no one has yet questioned just what the hell they&#8217;re doing in the bill in the first place! Don&#8217;t you think that such issues should be adressed separately? The fact that such important, but unrelated issues were quietly slipped into one of the most ponderous and hastilly written pieces of legistrative robbery, should cause all kinds of alarm bells to go off.</p>
<p>The real and substantive debate at this point isn&#8217;t the form of socialized medical care our government could supply, but whether or not government should be involved in the first place damn-it.</p>
<p>The saddist thing our last election demonstrates is the unrecognized loss of personal freedom and responsibility that a majority of our people have eschewed in favor of kleptoparasitic government solutions. Every new power our government assumes, represents another aspect of our lives with which we will no longer be free to exercise our own judgement. We may have reached the tipping point that Ayn Rand wrote about.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexisM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143560</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Daschle is a worthless, horrible human being.  Maybe we will all be around when he is elderly and infirm, and we can choose whether he lives or dies.  

I have said this many times here; I kept my father alive with every ounce of time, love and care I had in me, for as long as I could.  If anyone tried to pull this crap on my mother or father, that they should be left to die because of their advanced age, well it wouldn&#039;t be pretty.  How dare these people pull this stuff?  

Our elderly are our gifts to treasure, those who preserve our history and memories, and the people who most importantly &lt;strong&gt;gave us our own lives&lt;/strong&gt;.  So the socialist nuts can just turn around and &lt;strong&gt;take their lives?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Daschle is a worthless, horrible human being.  Maybe we will all be around when he is elderly and infirm, and we can choose whether he lives or dies.  </p>
<p>I have said this many times here; I kept my father alive with every ounce of time, love and care I had in me, for as long as I could.  If anyone tried to pull this crap on my mother or father, that they should be left to die because of their advanced age, well it wouldn&#8217;t be pretty.  How dare these people pull this stuff?  </p>
<p>Our elderly are our gifts to treasure, those who preserve our history and memories, and the people who most importantly <strong>gave us our own lives</strong>.  So the socialist nuts can just turn around and <strong>take their lives?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: JulieDarlingNotJulieOBOT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieDarlingNotJulieOBOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when isn&#039;t Newt Gingrich in the pockets of the insurance @u*&amp;sters every bit as much as the DC Branch of the Daley Machine?

MEchelle was paid to screw over poor and under/uninsured people trying to use Chicago U.

The Government and Insurance Companies are not going to make things better.

You may have noticed that credit cards are still loan sharking with no relief in sight.

Credit Card Joe Biden is in bed with the banks.  

PBO and MEchelle are entwined with the Bad Hands People.

This Administration could demand affordable health care and Rxs today, but ...

it won&#039;t. 

No, bailing out banks and GM is what&#039;s on the agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when isn&#8217;t Newt Gingrich in the pockets of the insurance @u*&amp;sters every bit as much as the DC Branch of the Daley Machine?</p>
<p>MEchelle was paid to screw over poor and under/uninsured people trying to use Chicago U.</p>
<p>The Government and Insurance Companies are not going to make things better.</p>
<p>You may have noticed that credit cards are still loan sharking with no relief in sight.</p>
<p>Credit Card Joe Biden is in bed with the banks.  </p>
<p>PBO and MEchelle are entwined with the Bad Hands People.</p>
<p>This Administration could demand affordable health care and Rxs today, but &#8230;</p>
<p>it won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>No, bailing out banks and GM is what&#8217;s on the agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: no kidding</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143556</link>
		<dc:creator>no kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AMA puts out a periodical which informs Doctors of the best treatments. We don&#039;t need Bureaucrats rationing our Health Care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AMA puts out a periodical which informs Doctors of the best treatments. We don&#8217;t need Bureaucrats rationing our Health Care.</p>
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		<title>By: no kidding</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143554</link>
		<dc:creator>no kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this is a way to knock off Seniors and save all that Social Security and Medicare money. One needs to go no further then Tom Daschle&#039;s book Critical to see that he believes that Seniors should be allowed to die of their illnesses rather than getting better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this is a way to knock off Seniors and save all that Social Security and Medicare money. One needs to go no further then Tom Daschle&#8217;s book Critical to see that he believes that Seniors should be allowed to die of their illnesses rather than getting better.</p>
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		<title>By: no kidding</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143552</link>
		<dc:creator>no kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MBC -- Damn right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MBC &#8212; Damn right.</p>
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		<title>By: no kidding</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/14196/rationing-away-bad-medicine/#comment-1143550</link>
		<dc:creator>no kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Martin -- Why should I believe anything you say?  You would support anything Obama says and does.  Tell me -- If this is so great why sneak it into The Stimulus Bill rather than discussing this with the American people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Martin &#8212; Why should I believe anything you say?  You would support anything Obama says and does.  Tell me &#8212; If this is so great why sneak it into The Stimulus Bill rather than discussing this with the American people?</p>
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		<title>By: no kidding</title>
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		<dc:creator>no kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alexis -- I totally agree.  If this was so great then why sneak it into a Stimulus Bill rather than explain it to the people? Nary a mention of lifestyle changes which would be required in any Single Payer Healthcare Bill just rationing. Sounds to me like a fast track to Euthenasia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alexis &#8212; I totally agree.  If this was so great then why sneak it into a Stimulus Bill rather than explain it to the people? Nary a mention of lifestyle changes which would be required in any Single Payer Healthcare Bill just rationing. Sounds to me like a fast track to Euthenasia.</p>
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