Kudos to your post! An unemployed mom with 6 kids receiving disability benefits for three of them wonders why people are outraged when she seeks out invitro treatments (very expensive procedures) and lets the doctor implant her with 8 embryos?

Why is it that the obvious has to slap people in the face? Bleeding heart politics has it’s living breathing consequences. Here is the progeny of such a sad case who has to live in a harsh disabled cirucmstance proving that it’s no fun to have been born this way and live it all of your life. The federal government enabled his mother to do this to his life.

Maybe this what it’s going to take. Generations of offspring either becoming advocates for future generations or suing the pants off the gov’t.

If you can have octuplets the old-fashioned way, then shut my mouth.

And this is the crucial point of this discussion. How many natural births of 8 babies have occured?

That’s your answer right there.

There finally needs to be a discussion on ethics regarding invitro. If doctors can’t be counted on to behave in an ethical manner then there needs to be guidelines.

I know a lot of people would like to dictate that no woman should have a child if she can’t support one. I personally don’t go that far.

If Suleman had stopped at 6, I would not be having this discussion. But she didn’t.

When her last babies, twins, were approximately 15 months old, she used money that could have gone for the children who are already here, to have 6 embryos implanted in her. Subsequently, 2 of those embryos split.

Does this sound like someone playing with a full deck?

Of course it doesn’t.

The idea that American citizens can behave like spoiled rotten petulant teenagers and trivialize our basic freedoms with irresponsible choices and ask us to pick up the tab, then lines have to drawn.

We are in a different place in our society.
Behavior that was once supported can no longer be taken for granted. And sadly, there is going to be less sympathy for people’s indulgent behavior. That’s the reality of a society dealing with huge economic realities, environmental issues, terrorism and nuclear threats.

Maybe had we ALL behaved responsibly, things would not be this out of hand. But this is where we are right now and there’s going to be a new world order if only by attrition.

It would be better for us to structure it rationally before things get totally out of hand.

I call’em as I see’em.

Just because you are a woman, doesn’t mean you are above reproach.

A high-school student born to a drug-using mom has proposed a law that would require welfare applicants in California to submit to testing for illicit drugs, and the state Assembly will soon be considering the proposal.

The City News Service reported Jan. 12 that R.J. Feild, a sophomore at Jurapa Valley High School in Mira Loma, proposed the law as part of a “There Ought to Be a Law” contest sponsored by Assemblyman John J. Benoit.

“R.J.’s captivating story provided a clear reason why we need his law,” Benoit said. “I look forward to introducing ‘RJ’s Law’ in this legislative session.”

Feild suffers from cerebral palsy; he was born underweight and with traces of heroin, cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, alcohol, and cocaine in his body. His mother, who was on public assistance, used drugs throughout her pregnancy.

A spokesperson for Benoit said the bill was intended to “break the destructive cycle of supporting drug addicts with public assistance monies.”

So, who thinks we should pay for this crap? Not me.

How about the lawsuit filed by that kid in Washington State I think? There was a kid whose mother was on welfare, a crack addict and drunk, of course with no job, and she had a car accident with her kid in the car while she was loaded and crippled him. He sued his state because his contention was that people with normal jobs have to be drug tested, why wasn’t his junkie welfare mother? Now her son is in a wheelchair for life. And you people think we should pay for this nonsense. No way. Oh and it would be so not PC to make the poor junkie crack ho have a mandatory drug test, right? Ask her son.

PS he won the suit.

How many of them would use $160,000 for plastic surgery and invitro?

You talk like ending up in on welfare is something no one expects … you’re serious, right? no GED? GET ONE. And certainly don’t weigh yourself down with little lives that need food, shelter, clothing, medical care and love and attention?

Now, instead wasting your energy bashing the people who bash this woman, why don’t you go to Obama’s/Bush’s threads and start to bash them there?

There are a number of important issues in this situation. As someone upthread pointed out, she used money for the IVF, money that could have gone to the 6 already here.

I’m not surprised that she hid money from her mother. That demonstrates her juvenile mentality. That’s something a teen would do, not a responsible adult.

But her mother should have known she was getting the money from somewhere. Unfortunately, a lot of parents like to hide their heads in the sand.

Her parents enabling her is a big issue in this as well. Parents today have developed into serial enablers and again, it’s not doing the society any good.

I’m so glad someone finally pointed out that this is the topic of this thread. The idea that people feel entitled to come to a thread and complain that we shouldn’t be discussing a certain topic while ignoring the obvious is absurd.

Go to another thread if you don’t find the subject useful.

I don’t read topics that I have fierce disagreements about. What is it about some who can’t do the same? To me, it smacks of the same kind of mentality that 0cto-mom has. The ‘it’s all about me mentality.’

It’s being self-absorbed and delusional.

I guess the people defending her are living large. Well, I’m not. And I’m tired of this type of selfish, indulgent behavior.

And I intend to voice my outrage about until such time as I become tired of the topic or bored with it.

And there ain’t nothing anyone can do about it.

If she can bear 14 children and need my tax dollars, then I can voice my opinion about it till the cows come home.

No one asked her to have these children.