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Obama, You Ain’t NEO

By Larry Johnson on February 7, 2008 at 11:08 PM in Current Affairs

Unless you have lived in a cultural cocoon these last 10 years, you should be familiar with The Matrix, a great movie featuring Keanu Reeves who played the cyber Messiah, Neo. Well punch me in the nose and call me the Pillsbury Dough Boy, but frigging Obama believes that he is Neo. Did you hear his latest?

“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” – Barack Obama on Super Tuesday

Are Andy and Larry Wachowski calling their copyright attorney? This is a flat out ripoff of the movie. Throughout “The Matrix,” the various characters keep asking, “is he the one we’ve been waiting for.” Hello?

Just what we need. Another fucking politician with a goddamn Messiah complex.

Taylor Marsh has more on the Obama cult (read here).

Finally, this little taste from The Matrix:

Trinity: Neo, I’m not afraid anymore. The Oracle told me that I would fall in love and that that man… the man that I loved would be The One. So you see, you can’t be dead. You can’t be… because I love you. You hear me? I love you.
[Trinity kisses Neo; Neo's vital signs return]
Trinity: Now get up!

Oh, we loves us some Bama!

  • myiq2xu

    Oh, how dare you mention a racist movie where the white guy (Neo) is “the one” but the black guy who has toiled all those years (Morpheus) is second class!

    Additionally, if “we are the ones” then couldn’t Hillary be the one to lead us just as well as Obama?

    • Hope

      Morpheus was Neo’s guru/teacher silly. He was the one who had the wisdom that had to be imparted to The One.

  • ponds

    “Oh, we loves us some Bama”?

    Who is writing this stuff? Don Imus?

    • Cee

      “Oh, we loves us some Bama”?

      Who is writing this stuff? Don Imus?

      ROFL!! These tactics don’t reflect well on the Clinton campaign.

      However, Don got a bad rap! If it wasn’t for his show I wouldn’t have known that the Blind Boys of Alabama (black guys) had a new CD out.
      Two weeks later all hell breaks loose over some stupid comment about some female athletes who will never do a thing to better my life.

      • Nellie

        Cee,

        He’s mocking cultism – It isn’t about Racism

  • TeakWoodKite

    myiq2xu: I guess I was watching a different movie.
    I think Mr Fishburne is a very talented actor and would think he would have done a great job portraying NEO. Ask Mr Fishburne which role he wanted. They approached him first. Really I am curious why it is racist film. Mazybe the special effects distracted me from it being as you discribed.

    and she told Morpheus that he would be the person who would find The One, a human with superhuman abilities within the Matrix and who could end the Human/Machine war. Since that visit, Morpheus spent much of his life searching the Matrix for The One.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus_(The_Matrix)

    Morpheus’ dream turned out to be right after all.
    Obama makes a self-fulfilling prophecy statement!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_fulfilling_prophecy

  • Jacek

    You know..I have tried not to respond to this “post.” Is anyone else disturbed by the sentence, “Oh, we loves us some Bama”? I am not really a reactionary, but my consummate saleswoman of a fiance taught me something profound when we began dating. If you shut and listen, people will tell you who they are. I have kind of ignored some other posts, but this statement betrays his thoughts.

    Oh, btw, Larry, the phrase “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” is supposedly a Hopi Indian saying that has been used in several songs and an Alice Walker book. Try reading the quote more carefully. The subject is “we”, and the predicate also has a “we” in it. The idea is that our future is in our own hands, and not in the hands of some future savior. Ironic that you misconstrue the statement to be a messianic delusion of Obama. Contrast that to Hillary, whose latest impromptu motto has become “Yes she can.” Notice the emphasis on the singular person, and not the collective group. Your analytical skills need some polishing, methinks.

    This is pretty silly as a substantive debate, but still, I forgot why I was impressed with your postings for a while until I read the previous posting on the surge. That didn’t last long.

    • zmaster

      It sort of makes you wonder how much of Larry’s position on the Dem candidates comes from a racist perspective.

      The sidebar ad for the book about the Confederacy doesn’t help his case much…

      • S. Markom

        I noted on a previous post that Larry made a comment that was blatantly racist. Nothing new. His comment on this post is probably just dumb.

      • Nellie

        S Markom

        It IS NOT Racist – He’s mocking cultism

        • S. Markom

          “Mocking cultism.”

          Is that the new code for racists? Was Imus mocking cultism when he was fired from MSNBC? Was Trent Lott miocking cultism when he made that remark at Strom Thrumond’s dinner?

          This one I have to remember!

          • Mike Howell

            S. Markom –

            Larry is not a racist.

            Larry was mocking Obama zombies.

            Larry is an American patriot for speaking out against false idols like Barack Hussein Obama – an individual who let his constituents freeze while he solicited a mansion from a slumlord under federal investigation for kickback schemes.

            Larry like most thoughtful U.S. citizens wants responsible leadership.

            You’ll have to seek redress for all of these other completely unrelated items that you randomly mentioned with Barack Hussein Osama.

            Good luck as it’s cold outside…

    • Cee

      Yes she can.” Notice the emphasis on the singular person, and not the collective group.

      Jacek,

      Good point. The Clinton fund rising stunt recently also made me aware of how it isn’t about the peons. Mark Penn is paid millions and the staff goes wanting until the public pays up.

    • Nellie

      No Jacek, I am NOT disturbed by Larry’s humor. If you google info on organ transplants you see that people of every hue are traveling to India and China for transplants. My point-underneath the skin, we are so very much alike, regardless of the color of the exterior.

      Even though I wasn’t going to respond to your last comments in the post ‘How to Buy a Mansion, You can’t Afford’, I will as you seem to think the completely false assumptions you made are somehow fact.

      1. Your accusation that I am a “Rabid Hillary Supporter” – I voted for Edwards in the primary and would have worked for him in the general. I WILL vote for Hillary, but will expend my help at the US Senate and Gubernatorial races locally. Quite a few degrees removed for a ‘Rabid Hillary Supporter’.

      2. Your statement that I obviously never bought or sold a piece of Real Estate. ‘A’ being singular – you are right. I have bought 7 pieces of property – sold 6, 4 of which were multifamily units, and 2 single homes. Further, I am quite proud of the fact that each Multi Family I owned – had complete new plumbing, electrical, bathrooms, kitchens, roofing, insulation, and siding put on it within 2-3 years of purchase. My tenants stayed long term, loved their homes, volunteered to do their own snow removal and yard work. In one of my units was an elderly retired woman, who had lived there since her husband left her 28 years before with a 5 year old son. On her own, she insisted each tenant wash their hallways and stairs weekly. Her rent until the day she passed in 1984, was $18/weekly.

      3. I got my Real Estate Sales License in 1973, and my Real Estate Brokers license in the spring of 1974. I kept it until I moved out of state for a few years. Then moved back because there is no place like it for quality of life and quality of environment.

      4. I have been, and still am invovled with Zoning and Planning boards both locally and State wide. Unlike where you have been, we see the functions of both zoning and planning working together for the purpose of controlled growth. Out of state developers are a literal plague here. They want to come in, clear cut acerage, and build large developments. Depending on the area, we have restrictions against what we term ‘slash and burn’ clear cutting. Changes in acerage required is increased frequently. There are also restrictions on how much open space, and access to a proposed home, thereby peserving much of the trees on naturally wooded lots. This way we discourage greedy developers, and make it prohibitively expensive.

      5. Title seems important to you. Bush Sr thought because he had the title ‘President’ he could force a nuclear waste dump in a working class town near the VT border. A judge from the largest western NH city, with a JD from Harvard, and a very impressive resume, took the lead in preventing it. His wife contacted myself and several others around the state, with research assignments, which were completed within 10 days. The 2nd Planning Board meeting had so many people, the meeting was delayed for an hour and set up in the High School gym, which still ended up with wall to wall people. Bush Sr’s. minions kept trying to shout we had no choice, it was what the PRESIDENT had decided. All the research was presented, and then a 22 year old kid got up and said to Bush’s minion’s “We don’t give a damn if he thinks he is God Almighty. If he wants a Nuclear Dump he can put it on his own property in Texas and kill his own family slowly – we want our families to live”. After the cheering stopped the Minions knew they were defeated, and 2 of the Planning Board members resigned that night, acknowledging they had betrayed their own neighbors. The rest of the Planning Board resigned within a week – as they knew they would no longer be allowed to hold their position.

      6. In Manchester, the largest NH city, the Mayor thought he could make some ‘back room’ deals with devlopers. He was voted out and without a job for 10 months. When he and his family were about to lose their home, he recanated his actions. A large meeting was called, and available city jobs were read out. As he was in his mid 50′ and portly, some were obviously not suitable. The people voted to give him a job as a water meter reader. You can google it, if you’re curious.

      7. In case you think we are dumb ‘hicks’ a common error out of staters make – I was American Interantional Group’s(AIG) representative to the Insurance Service Organization (ISO) at the top of the World Trade Center for 5 years before I left and went into Education. Each Tuesday morning I flew on the Company plane into LaGuardia and met that afternoon with Maurice Greenberg, the same one that now Governor of NY Eliot Spitzer brought to justice. I left AIG, because of tremendous pressure to become involved in getting a data base money laudering system set up in the Bahamas. It was called OSA for Off Shore Accounts. The purpose of that system, was to bring non-insurance related money into the US tax free and ‘off the books’. I quit rather than compromise my own principles and integrity.

      As an attorney, don’t you think it would be wise to ask questions of someone you don’t know anything about, before you try a smear campaign on the web? Or, is that your normal court room tactic?

      The summary of all your comments and justifications add up to “Everyone does it”. If you are under 30, I will try to be tolerant. If you are older, I shall find it hard to bite my tongue.

      Lastly, since this this seems to be a rant thread, I strongly object to your arrogance in TELLING Larry to go read what your wrote in comments. Larry, and the other former intelligence officials who post and comment here, are doing all of us a huge favor. They know intimately details on Foreign Affairs and National Security, that even those of us who watch tbhe news very closely, would not learn even 1/100th about. They could be chasing dollars or doing other things. However, they are true patriots, and expend their time as well as energy, finding public information to use as references, so that we can be wiser and more informed citizens. A little respect is due these exceptionally wonderful people.

      • John

        Why apologize for supporting Hillary? Unless you are on the phone with an Air America host, there’s no reason to.

        However, if you DO find yourself on the phone with, say, Randi Rhodes, get ready to be told that the only people who vote for Hillary are the people who are against Hope and against Change and are basically Corpo-Racists who want to keep America Divided because she’s Such A Polarizing Figure (TM.)

        Today she had a caller from Michigan “worried that I’ll never get a chance to vote in a primary this year.” Randi agreed- and just you NEVER MIND that Michigan HAD a primary and NOTHING prevented Obama from putting his name on the Michigan ballot. Same with Florida. It’s clear that Obama supporters, who constantly tell us that they wont vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee, simply will not accept the idea that people might actually, sincerely, legitimately prefer someone other than Saint Barack for the Democratic Nomination.

        • Cee

          John,

          Limbaugh prefers Hillary.

          Limbaugh show:
          RUSH: All right, folks, I need to ask you a question, personal question from me to you. Do I sound like I need cheering up here? I’m getting e-mails from friends, “Boy, you sound like you could use a little cheering up.” And they’re sending me these stupid little Internet jokes, “for you to smile,” like an Internet joke would cheer me up. Spam would cheer me up. But do I sound like I need to be cheered up? I can’t wait ’til the Drive-Bys get hold of my thought, my consideration of helping Hillary raise money. They’ll miss the reason. They’ll just publicize, “Limbaugh is so upset at Romney getting out, he’s thinking of raising money for Hillary, period.”

          But the reason for raising money for Hillary is because that apparently my party is relying on fear and loathing of Hillary to get the nomination, to unite Republicans, who are, some of them, off the reservation. The Republicans do not seem to be relying on leadership in their party to unite the party. They seem to be relying on all these external things, nobody is going to vote for Hillary, negative turnout factor. What if she’s not the nominee? We’ve got make sure she’s the nominee if the Republican Party is to be unified. What more loyal thing could I do than to run a fundraiser for Mrs. Clinton? You watch, though, you watch how that will be questioned.

          • John

            Again- I should vote for Obama because Rush Limbaugh, Serial Liar, says he prefers Hillary? And if he said he preferred Obama, that would put you in Hillary’s camp, right?

            I don’t listen to Rush, and I don’t give a fat rat’s ass who he says he prefers. Same goes for Coulter, Hannity, etc. etc.

            • Cee

              And if he said he preferred Obama, that would put you in Hillary’s camp, right?

              Of course not. My point all along is that many people think she is easier to beat.
              I agree.

        • Nellie

          You know – it’s like watching American Idol playing out 24/7.

          Whether we like it or not BOTH Obama and Hillary are being supported by the SAME BIG money people. The difference being that Hillary – has more indpendence. Obama literally sold himself to BIG Money in December 2006, and has zero wiggle room.

          You can read all about it here. http://nymag.com/news/politics/30634/

          The reality is Obama can ONLY bring as much change as his owners will allow. Since these people have gotten literally everything they want for the last 7 years, how interested do you think these corportists are in REAL change?

          Talk about fairy tales – Yipes.

          Further, there are just 6 Media outlets, thanks to all the mergers. http://www.corporations.org/media/ When these guys need large infusions of cash they call the Big Money people.

          So ultimately the same people who finance some of Hillary’s and most all of Obama’s campaign, also control the media story.

          We’ve all been played – BIG TIME! So where is the outrage?

        • Nellie

          John,

          I did not feel I was apologising. My bad if it came across that way.

          Simply I strongly supported Edwards.

          Hillary rates high on Domestic Issues – I am not crazy about her War vote, Kyl Lieberman vote – and influx of cash from AIPAC

          However, Thanks to Larry’s information on Obama’s cousin Odinga, the fact that he sent Dick Norris to Kenya, wanted to bomb Pakistan a country with Nukes, and some other information – Hillary is a much more thoughtful and saner leader.

          I honestly Liked John Edwards solutions best – and if we could remove the AEI and Hudson Institute to Diego Garcia, or even Kenya – I’d feel a lot safer about foreign policy.

      • Jacek

        Well, it makes your mistakes all that much harder to understand. Well, whatever.

        Please explain the humor in “Oh, we loves us some Bama!”? I find it amusing that you accuse me of smearing Larry. Would you feel comfortable saying that? If so, under what circumstances? And, what would be your intent in saying it? Finally, why is it funny?

        For example, in your posting, I did not read even one sentence that smacked of racism. I thought your effort was quite fervent and admirable, but the analysis incorrect. (How did you miss the fact that the doctor earned more than the original offering price, and that a vacant lot in one of the toniest and most mature areas in a big city would not be extremely valuable? No really, I am sincerely curious about that.) In addition, in all of your comments, althogh you seem to freely enjoy insulting me (I try not to do the same…hope I accomplished that, but sorry if I didn’t), I find your dissent to be well-intentioned and reasoned.

        However, Larry’s statements are making me believe that his intentions are not so well-reasoned but more because Obama is a “n____.” He states that Obama is not qualified, and I acceped that as his opinion being free of racial bais. Now, not so much. I wouldn’t say what he did. Why did he say it? Is that funny to you? In your own and SusanPc’s posts, neither of you rely upon racially charged invectives.

        (Aside – I asked Larry to go read the comments not from arrogance, but to spare everyone else from cutting and pasting them all over again.)

        With respect to your last paragraph, I think that is why I am posting so much. I am TRULY disappointed because I respected Larry’s postings concerning foreign affairs/security issues so MUCH. However, I have been shocked by his many many postings lately. It makes me question his judgment in ALL things now. You may consider that unfair, but that is my right./

        Finally, here is a nice link to read concerning Obama’s legislative record in the Senate:

        http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

        I again ask you to calm down. Oh, btw, in the 7 properties that you purchased, I assumed you used an attorney to assist in you buying them. Did your attorney go out to visit them and make sure that they are properly maintained after the closing?

        With respect to the rest of your post, I literally have no idea what you are talking about or what I have written that set you off. (Btw _ I live in Seattle now, which has quite draconian land use laws, much more so than in Illinois.)

        • Nellie

          Jacek oh Jacek,

          1. You cannot have it both ways – in every comment you make there is a slam or derogatroy remark and that IS insulting. To wit, your comment Well, it makes your mistakes all that much harder to understand.. There were NO MISTAKES – go and read the comments from the same Post at MyDD http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/4/20117/25087

          Truthteller, who lives in the same couple of blocks as Obama, has verified the accuracy of everything I have said regarding Obama’s house.

          2.IF you read Larry’s post sloowly, He is mocking CULTISM. There is NO RACISM intended! Again – you falsely accuse.

          Did you actually READ Taylor’s post? http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26965

          Check out the the checklist for cultish like emotional control here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_checklist

          3. My point in using real life examples is that if your bend the law, no matter who you are, there are consequences – or as we say “Every Dog has its day”

          4. It is my understanding that Lawyers are supposed to do something called Due Diligence.

          I will not respond any further, if your comments either reflect the fact that you have NOT read an entire post, including the links, or if you persist in veering off with insulting or unrelated issues.

          Simply put – we discuss facts as contained in posts – no more ‘court room type brawl tactics, or parsing of words’ – then we can talk.

          Understood? So do your Due Diligence like the professional you claim to be!

          • Jacek

            Nellie,

            First of all, I am not angry. But, I do like to correct factual errors and errors of ignorance. As I am not in front of you, please accept this sentence as a written statement of that intent.

            So, I went to the myDD post and read every omment. The post was the same. Truthteller lives nearby? So what? My comments were concerning the transaction. How does my comments about the accounting and the process of dividing lots have to do with him living nearby? Again, this is a pretty simple transaction – the lot was divided into 2 lots; each was sold; and the vacant lot was divided again, and a portion of that lot was sold. Moneys were paid for those properties were paid and everything was full market.

            2. Racism or cultism? Yah, because that is how a lot of people have interpreted it. But whatever. However, your point is well-taken. That is not something I think is a good thing, but , what can you do. Its how people are.

            3. Again, no law was broken. No law was even bent as far as I can tell. if you think so, please follow standard law school analysis – IRAC…(Issue-rule-analysis-conclusion.) In other words, state the facts that comprise the crime, cite the statute that was violated, analyze and then conclude.

            4. Sometimes; sometimes not. It depends on the deal. For example, lets say I represented you in the purchase of your income-producing rental homes. If you asked me to represent you in the purchase of your homes, I would not conduct due diligence of YOU. I would review the title of the home. I would not actually physically inspect the homes; you would do that or you would hire someone to do that.

            Here is what I posted on another post about what a lawyer does in the deals in question though:

            Please note that I am not YELLING at you, but rather, just giving you an informed commentary of what lawyers do. People would not necessarily know what it is that we do.

            ___________________________________________
            Oh man…..I suppose from professonial interest, I am compelled to answer. Mr. Murder, the fiasco here is that Obama was funded by a guy who was a slumlord, not that Obama somehow failed to be accountable to the tenants as a lawyer tangentially connected to these developments. The attorneys are responsible for completing the paperwork for the deal, not serving as guardians of the public interest.

            Let me explain how these deals are done (in a nutshell). Basically, a nonprofit community group will form a new entity in partnership with a for-profit company. The for-profit brings the commercial know-how (allegedly) to rehab the building. The nonprofit is the partner necessary to receive special local, state or federal grants. Obama’s law firm will represent the new entity. The lawyers draft the purchase and sale agreement, the loan documents, the lien instruments, and the various corporate resolutions. The due diligence(i.e investigation of the for-profit) is conducted by the banks funding the rehab project (or in this case, the City. Typically, banks do it and the funds are guaranteed by a gov’t agency.) The lawyers are not involved in confirming bank statements, financial statements and other than a sniff test when the client walks in the door. Attorneys are not really that well equipped to read and understand balance sheets, nor is the client paying us to do so. After the deal is done, the lawyer moves on to the next project and/or client, and is not involved in the project again. We prepare the paperwork; we do not monitor the housing project.

            Finally, Obama was a litigator! In other words, he is the last type of lawyer you want working on a complex real estate transaction/financing like this one. I would be surprised if he knew how to draft a mortgage, let alone the complex type of lien instruments needed for this transaction.

    • chyanne

      I never post to these things, but this one did it for me. As it’s been said “When they tell you what they are…believe them.”. Larry just told me all I need to know about his true character. I truly respected him before he showed this side of himself. It also makes one wonder why if he believes in the Hill/Bill ticket is he attacking & trying to tear down Obama instead of trying to build up what he thinks the greatness of his candidate is?

    • Hope

      Jacek since you are giving out English grammar lessons to Larry, I think you need one in French:

      Your saleswoman of a fiance should be “fiancee” with the accent aigue over the former e.

      Touche!

      Put the accent aigue where it most uncomfortably fits!

      • Jacek

        I actually knew that, Hope..I remember that from high school french. However, the english equivalent doesn’t usually carry through the french equivalent.

      • Nellie

        Great comment. Also, qui accuse, s’accuse seems to fit.

  • rjj

    [pursed lips, stiff with indignation, disapproving frown]

    YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!

    [eyes lowered, staring at shoe]

  • ponds

    I share Jacek’s sense of bewilderment at the direction this blog has taken. I have been a loyal reader for the past couple of years and have found Larry to be a rich source of information on issues regarding security, CIA, Iraq war, Valerie Plame episode, etc., and have enjoyed watching hi commentary on Olbermann’s show. But then, out of the blue, began this non-stop onslaught of Obama animus bordering on obsession, seemingly built on innuendo and fueled with the type of histrionics (and locker room diction) usually found on wing-nut sites. I thought this whole thing had reached its nadir with the incredibly sophomoric attempt at a statistical analysis based on the primary results. My first year statistics students would easily decimate this attempted analysis for its failure to recognize the fairly obvious confounders, variables and outliers, as well as the complete lack of a mathematical construct. Spin-yes; Statistical validity – not even close. Math challenged, indeed.
    Then came the NEO rant, concluding with the most condescendingly nefarious Stepin Fetchit stereotype: “Oh, we loves us some Bama.” I truly hope that this is just an example of over-enthusiastic partisan hyperbole and not an inadvertent revelation as to the underlying basis for the opposition to Obama being expressed on this blog. At any rate, this type of insubstantive racial mockery has no place in a serious discussion of the issues.

    • Hope

      How impressive!

    • Nellie

      Oh my pond,

      Since I was and still am ‘mathmatically challenged’ can you provide a nice easy to use stat number cruncher for those of us that understand general concepts, purpose and use – but those damn stat equations can drive us to seriously contemplate suicide?

    • Hope

      So delicately stated, so sublime, oh so wonderfully magnificent and justifiably hauty!

      • Jacek

        ..and to return the favor from above…it is “haughty,” not hauty, unless you meant “haute,” which would not be appropriate in this context.

        • Jacek

          Hmm, it didn;t include the smile/chuckle i put into my posts to indicate that these posts were tongue-in-cheek…no offense was intended.

  • kenoshaMarge

    The answer is very simple, if you don’t like it here, if you don’t like what is said here, then don’t come here.

    I practically lived at BuzzFlash for two years. My letters were posted in their mailbag on a daily basis. Then they became ObamaFlash.com and I voiced my disapproval, as did many formerly faithful readers and we left. They are not going to change because we don’t like their point of view. So being adults, instead of staying and attacking people that we don’t agree with we went somewhere where we could find like-minded or at least fair minded people to discuss things with.

    I don’t agree with everything posted by Larry on this blog. So what? Only a fool agrees with someone else 100% on every issue.But I do find the constant attempt by Obama supporters to find some racism in every remark objectionable. You might even say, dishonest. You might consider how much you alienate people when you try and insert racism into every comment.

    Larry, can speak very well, and quite forcefully, for himself and doesn’t need me to stick up for him. But if you don’t agree with what he says and don’t like what he says I wonder why you keep coming here. Unless you just like to bitch and pick a fight. Which is what it certainly looks like.

    Okay, I’m ready to be attacked now. Oh and please, lay off the free speech crap, I never suggested you didn’t have the right to come here, I just wondered why you did if you ain’t happy here. Seems kind of dumb to me.

    • Hope

      Good idea!

  • http://www.simplyernest.blogspot.com/ Ernest T Spoon

    Been a registered Democrat since 1972.

    Voted for Bill Clinton twice and all I got was a Repulbican-Lite president who got a blow job.

    Will never make that mistake again.

    If Hillary Clinton is the top of the Democratic Party ticket…I’m voting Nader.

    • Kim

      wow, if your a true democrat you vote for the nominee. I guess your one of those democrats for a day, thats just wrong. As a proud dem that just goes against everything I was taught. I just cant for the life of me think what Tip O’Neil would think. I bet hes turning in his grave. What a shame that you would rather have president McCain, I really dont understand why is Bill Clinton villified. I mean the nafta vote was the worse thing, I remeber him doing. Hell, I am a Union girl and that was slap in the face for us. I remember working my ass off and making really good money. I.B.E.W, (International Brotherhood of Electrical Works) actually got our pay rates back from when Regan was in office. Had to take a massive pay cut just to say competative. It looks like thats whats gonna happen again. But thats ok, cus it could be worse, like a war, high gas, high food costs and health care hikes. Oh, wait, thats whats going on now. Silly me!!!

      So, you do your thing, and I will vote for the nominee. I may not like him, but he sure as hell will be better than republican. If you dont think so, God help you. I may not work my ass or anyone in the union, cus we are a special intrest group. I guess he thinks we are gonna just do what we always do, and thats GOTV. I think hes got another thing coming from my brothers and sisters.

      • simon

        I would not vote for a corrupt man, democrat or not.

        Voting mindlessly for a nominal democrat is to surrender to the French banking industry, according to Romney, ok, I’m kidding, voting nominally for a corrupt democrat is enabling a system harmful to Americans, why would I do that?

        • Kim

          I guess the diffrence between us is that I go do something. I dont sit around and act pious and self-rightous. I go to my local democratic meeting and if there isnt something working, I try to fix it. I guess you can call me an activist, if a pol is dirty, I dont want him. I want someone that has my intrests and the party intrests . I dont want someone that is all about him, hell, anyone can do that. I want someone that wants to make the country and the world a better place. Lets face it there are not many ppl out there like that.

          So, yes, I do vote party, but I do so, with the best of intrest in this country. Perhaps, you dont understand the concept of civil duty. Making sure that our pols are clean and do the right thing is that duty.

          • John

            I know a lot of tongue-cluckers who stick “Save Darfur” yardsigns out just so their neighbors can see them (while doing absolutely NOTHING to Save Darfur, piously promise to vote for Nader if Hillary is the nominee, and spend pretty much every waking moment trying to convince us great unwashed masses how Enlightened and Pure they are.

            They are the Republican Party’s best friends.

      • Nellie

        Love your reference to the Icon Tip O’Neil!

    • John

      I have a better idea. If Hillary is the nominee this year, just vote for McCain. Same difference.

      Idiots like you gave us eight years of Bush instead of Gore. Might as well keep up the great work, and get us started on eight years of John McCain. But please, spare us the “I hate this evil war” BS when McCain puts us into Iran next year. Because you gave him the green light.

      Some people are really just too damned stupid to be trusted with the ballot.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    >>> Voted for Bill Clinton twice and all I got was a Repulbican-Lite president who got a blow job.

    Personally, I never got laid off while Slick Willie was in, and I didn’t feel that my government was out to screw me, tap my phone, read my mail, take my house, pension and Social Security and give it to rich bastards in Wall Street.

    The economy was good enough that I could afford to go put on a date and perhaps get my own BJ occasionally.

    Unlike the last seven years.

    >>> If Hillary Clinton is the top of the Democratic Party ticket…I’m voting Nader.

    Hope you enjoy what you get… a McCain administration.

    At least he was just a regular crook (Keating Five) and not a Chickenhawk, draft-dodging coward, like the present idiot/hypocrite.

    • Bill Keyes

      Well said

    • Jess Wonderin

      . . . and you better not be gay, poor, Muslim, Mexican, in need of any major medical care, or be anything other than a good solid Sunday Christian – ’cause the McCain Court and Administration will make Bush seem down right liberal . . .

      Nader vote, now there was a REAL help for Peace and Freedom in the world . . . \snark

  • fribbles

    Maybe Larry’s sick of the way thin-skinned Obamamaniacs slaver and hyperventalate over every little perceived slur to Their Leader.

    As a former Deaniac, the behavior on the part of online Obama supporters is uncomfortably familiar. Hysterical outrage over “slights.” Deifying every little quirk and utterance of the love-object. Long posts musing about how stupid people are who vote for the other candidate. Wonderment that the voters “just don’t get it.”

    It’s going to be an ugly day out in Obama-Land when the bubble bursts. But don’t say you haven’t been warned. We’ve been here before, in 2004. Ask any Deaniac. They can tell you.

    • Cee

      Maybe Larry’s sick of the way thin-skinned Obamamaniacs slaver and hyperventalate over every little perceived slur to Their Leader.

      Fribbles,

      Since you have such insight, can you tell me the difference between the Obamamaniacs, Obambis, Orange (whatever it was),Obama Nation and Obamabots?
      I need to know what cult I’m in as I follow my dear leader. LOL!

    • alexei

      Yes, I also was for Dean – I did have a little bit of “starry eyes” but that was because he actually had concrete ideas and he was quite partisan unlike the new “Kid”.

      Another difference was the media against Dean before the Primary season (I believe that Dean had favorable treatment from the media at about 37%, while Edwards and Kerry’s was in the 70′s. Dan Abrams came out with his study and the new “Kid” is getting high 80′s% favorables, while Clinton is at 47%.

      You are right though, there were quite a few kool aid drinkers for Dean – but, I think that it is much, much worse with the Obama followers.

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    Folks,
    When in doubt call me a racist. Let me turn the issue on its head, if Barack was not black (or at least considered black), would folks be as enthusiastic about a white guy who is a clever speaker with no significant accomplishments on his resume?

    And I will repeat my “obsession” about Obama. He is not qualified to be President. Not yet. He does not have enough experience or knowledge about the Washington bureaucracy–especially the national security bureaucracy.

    I am scared to death of the cult of personality. We gave Bush a pass in 2000. He was a likable guy (at least then). Earnest. Not a lot of experience running successful operations and zero experience on the foreign policy front. So, excuse me for my obsession, but Obama is not competent. If elected he will make the kind of mistakes that will pave the way for a Republican backlash. But I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we are dealing now with emotion, not reason.

    • vee

      I agree with the comments on the role emotion has been playing in Obama’s movement. For some reason today, I got up disturbed about an uncomfortable flavor of militancy to Obama’s campaign. That phrase he is using as one of his themes, “now is our time” keeps coming back to me. It is getting a little creepy.

      • simon

        Almost seems a little hysterical, doesn’t it?

    • S. Markom

      If you are using “reason” then what resume (I mean real resume) does Hillary Clinton have?

      As a Senator she has had no major legislation since she came to office. Prior to that she was the wife of a President who did not have security clearance and therefore was not part of that team in any way (unless something shady was going on). And prior to that she was the wife of a Governor. Her real career was as a corporate attorney with the Rose Law Firm and more recently running for President for the past 7 years.

      So other than smoke and mirrors pray tell what exactly makes her more qualified than Obama?

      Frankly I am not thrilled with either choice and would have preferred someone with real experience like Joe Biden but he’s not a “rock star.”

      Both Clinton and Obama are highly intelligent people and both have limited experience in office. So for me the difference is integrity and judgement. Therefore it has to be Obama.

      • TeakWoodKite

        integrity and judgement.
        Integrity. Leaving people to freeze without running water and saying he did not know. (lie)
        Judgement Rezko. (poor)

        “now is our time” ? What line has Obama been waiting in too long?

    • Hope

      Yes!

    • Bill Keyes

      I agree with you Larry, but what I wonder is why you think Hillary has a better chance of beating McCain than Obama? Here is part of a quote from a poster from huffpo

      “If Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I know from personal experience living in the buckle of the Bible belt that her name alone strikes fear & loathing into the hearts of right-wingers, especially many evangelical Christians. She will unwittingly mobilize them to vote against her in droves.”

      Ask your self this what is more important winning the election or going with the best candidate?

      There are currently three candidates Hillary, Obama and McCain

      McCain will be nothing but more of the same so it is obvious we dont want him. He will have months to rally and unify his base against not Hillary or Obama but against the Democrats in general who will be portrayed as weak on national security and as Mitt Romney said “a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the terrorists”.

      So that leaves us with Hillary and Obama.

      Hillary is divisive and will generate exactly the kind of conditions that the poster I quoted above said. Will Obama generate the same? Maybe but maybe not.

      So my point is simple. Do you back someone who is the better more qualified candidate that through NO fault of her own will guarantee that McCain wins or do you back a candidate that might have even a slim chance of winning?

      I believe the answer is obvious.

      • John

        You’re right- let’s only nominate candidates that the Republicans approve of. The GOP hates Hillary, so she’s out. Republicans seem to like Obama, so he’s ok.

        I’m sure the Republicans will someday return the favor and ask Democrats who they would like the GOP to nominate.

        I have a better idea- let’s not assume that the Democrats can’t ever win any battles worth winning, so we’d better spend the next four years bending over backwards to accomodate the Republicans, because maybe if we give them EVERYTHING they’ll stop being mean and calling us Terrorist Supporters and (gasp) Liberals.

      • CWZ

        Evangelicals cannot carry an entire election. Independents and motivated Dems will determine this election. Self-identified Republicans are dwindling while more people are identifying with the Dems even if they haven’t officially joined the party.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      >>> …would folks be as enthusiastic about a white guy who is a clever speaker with no significant accomplishments on his resume?

      You mean like, oh for instance, Gary Hart?

      Where’s a Donna Rice when we need one.

    • TeakWoodKite

      He was a likable guy (at least then). Earnest.
      Larry are you not being subjective? I take it you have met GWB?

      The guy gave me the creeps in 2000 as he does now… he was an enforcer for his dad, I have read.
      But was he vetted back then and was GWB ever qualified? Regan did not think so…

    • Cee

      We gave Bush a pass in 2000

      Ah, Larry,

      Speak for yourself. I knew how jacked up he was and I switched parties to try to get McCain (the best at the time) as the nominee.

      I think Noonan made some good points in this article.

      Mrs. Clinton is stoking the idea that Mr. Obama is too soft to withstand the dread Republican attack machine. (I nod in tribute to all Democrats who have succeeded in removing the phrase “Republican and Democratic attack machines” from the political lexicon. Both parties have them.) But Mr. Obama will not be easy for Republicans to attack…

      With Mr. Obama the campaign will be about issues. “He’ll raise your taxes.” He will, and I suspect Americans may vote for him anyway. But the race won’t go low.

      Mrs. Clinton would be easier for Republicans. With her cavalcade of scandals, they’d be delighted to go at her. They’d get medals for it. Consultants would get rich on it.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241915915951669.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

      • simon

        Are you aware of the republican emails being circulated, regarding Obama, mainly centering on his ties to Rezko, and Auchi,(and republicans should know…).(one site is breakpoint.com, I believe, but I will check).

        It’s best this information be vetted BEFORE the democratic nominee is chosen, to avoid a sure loss to the Republicans.

        I do not like Karl Rove, in the least, but he is smart when it comes to marketing his candidates, he can read the public very well.

        I can also foresee Rove using Obama’s connections to reprise the “weak on terror” meme against the democrats, perhaps even costing them Senate and House seats…

        Is that such a leap, given Rove’s battle techniques?

        • Cee

          Simon,

          I’m aware of what the GOP is doing. How much of it has come from what was printed here and at the other pro-Hillary blogs?
          Mudkitty is right. We need to end the circular firing squad and be careful of what we say.
          I cursed at you the other day. I regret it but these unfounded remarks piss me off!
          Did you deduce that Obama was tied to terrorists or did someone from the GOP say so?
          David Schuster is sure thinking of that today.
          Sorry Mr. Murder. You might not get your debate.

          “I, at this point, can’t envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network,” he added.

          Clinton and Barack Obama are scheduled to participate in an MSNBC debate Feb. 26 from Ohio, which holds its primary March 4. The Clinton campaign has pushed hard for as many debates as possible with Obama, but Wolfson said the Feb. 26 debate could be jeopardized.
          http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UMAS3O0&show_article=1

          • simon

            No, no, Obama is tied to Rezko, and Auchi, directly, through campaign donations.

            Have you read the Chicago Sun Times or the London Times, both in regard to Obama, Auchi and Rezko?

            They have both made the connections. Given Auchi’s relationship with Sadaam, and the network that eventually connects back to Congress, and the Pentagon, it’s there.

            Combined with Brewster-Jennings work, and the Plame case, back to Cheney, well, it’s just waiting for a special prosecutor.

            Not very difficult, you have Google?

            • simon

              And Cee, you are really are intelligent, you have given me so much information, I am so indebted to you.

              Really, you’re a wealth of information.

            • Cee

              No, no, Obama is tied to Rezko, and Auchi, directly, through campaign donations.

              Have you read the Chicago Sun Times or the London Times, both in regard to Obama, Auchi and Rezko?

              Simon,

              I’ve read it all. There is nothing there!!

              Will you believe it if Clinton supporters say it?

              Rezko STILL Not An Issue
              By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
              Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2008

              At FDL, one of our favorite blogs, a post argues that Rezko IS an issue for Obama. Both Jeralyn and I are on record stating our view that Rezko is NOT an issue…. In this light the Rezko connection become ominous. But a little research shows this entire construction to be [false.]
              Pols are pols and to expect them to scrutinize every donation they get is simply ridiculous. In my review of Obama’s dealings with Rezko, I see nothing untoward. It remains a nonissue in my view.

              http://www.talkleft.com/

          • TeakWoodKite

            We need to end the circular firing squad and be careful of what we say.
            The “circular firing squad” assumes that people are shooting at the same object.

            Be careful of what we say?

      • John

        What a breathtakingly stupid post. “Mr Obama will not be easy for the Republicans to attack…the race won’t go low…”

        The ability of Obama supporters to delude themselves is just astonishing. The GOP will gut Obama like a cold fish this autumn. And it wont even be hard.

        They’ll go after Hillary too, of course, but she’s already proven she can fight back. The only thing Obama has proven is that he’s good at hiding behind his starry-eyed zombie followers. And he’s still whined over the perceived slights tossed at him by the Clintons. Wait till the GOP gets at him- the great mass of Obamaniacs will provide very little covering for him when THAT storm arrives.

        • Cee

          John,

          I don’t agree with Noonan regarding the GOP not using a racial attack.

          The rest of your comments make you sound like a scared loser. Buck up, babe!

          • Mike Howell

            Gee Cee-

            Once again you resort to your tiresome two words – racist and sexist…

            No wait -

            You’re calling John “babe”. Now you are being sexist. I mean unless he’s your child or something…

            P.S.: Still no rebuttal to Michelle Obama being a corporate whore?

      • ritamary

        When did the Republicans not go low? Making up lies about John Kerry’s military service was not the lowest of the low?

        • Cee

          Rita,

          The attacks on John McCain are low.

          Some GOP nuts are saying he wasn’t tortured in Vietnam. Others are saying he’s crazy.

          I disagree with him on most issues these days but attacking a former POW is a line I won’t cross.

    • Hope

      Larry just to name one:

      Personality Cult of White Men:

      L. Ron Hubbard, Founder of Scientology. He spoke well and had little to no true accomplishments other than his badly written science fiction novels which he transformed into his pseudo religious doctrines.

      • Nellie

        Wow Hope! Perfect example of a Social/Religious cult.

    • Jess Wonderin

      Thank you – I understand your notes, and admit that Obama has the “Black Shield” to deflect the close examination without “racism” being flung about like monkey shit at the zoo . . . we have been reduced to ignoring the fact that Edwards and Hillery both have/had better plans, ideas and practical experience, but both lacked the cult appeal and the imaginative spark “that a black person could be elected” . . . the time for wishing upon a star is long past . . . Pinocchio had a wooden head.

  • readerOfTeaLeaves

    Just a quick shoutout to Larry Johnson, b/c I took your name in vain over at FDL on 2/7 (on a thread about Obama’s comment about ‘claws coming out’, which IMHO was a veiled smack at Hillary). Please consider this my ‘due diligence’ ; >)

    I chuckle every time I recall your commentary that ‘the Dems are pussy whiners’ — although after the FISA cave-ins, I’m losing my remaining shreds of good humor. Like Fred Dobbs, at least under Bill Clinton, I didn’t think about the government tapping my phone, siphoning tax revenue to underwrite Halliburton, Blackwater, et al.

    As for the Hillary/Obama contest, until I watched the way that Edwards, who received **almost** as many votes as Hillary in Iowa was absolutely ignored by the press, I didn’t really have a dog in this fight. But after watching the sh*t that Hillary Clinton got dumped with after Iowa, I really started to admire her toughness and resiliency. I don’t see that same quality in Mr. Obama, despite his obviously gifted eloquence.

    At any rate, in the interest of living up to my screen pseudonym, I thought this thread might be a good place to pass along something that I just spotted, and it’s relevant to the Hillary/Obama kerfuffle. Early in my workday, I needed to check out something related to manga (think Japanese novels in graphic form, and that’s sorta-kinda close).

    In case you are not familiar with it, manga is a splendid visual/literary art form that is widely read. It’s one of the fastest-growing segments in publishing, and most of its readers tend to be ages 12 – 34. It’s fairly new in the U.S., but that demographic has an insatiable appetite for manga (at least, where I live).

    That would be an ideal ‘market’ for Obama to reach with his ads, and sure enough, there are Obama ads all over a US ‘manga‘ website that I’ve been clicking on today. Note the excellent ad placement — upper center of the pages, which is the most expensive — at this link: http://anime.about.com/od/animeprimer/Anime_Primer.htm

    (That link is to a main entry page, but I suspect that if you read this comment and click over there within 24 hours of me leaving this comment, you’ll see Obama ads all over that website. And Obama’s campaign is paying premium ad space on the top center of the site pages.)

    Maybe some of Hillary’s next ads should incorporate manga? And yeah, I’ll bet that Neo was a big manga fan.

    Interesting to see what the global village is bringing our way, eh?

    • simon

      Anime is cold to me, so artless.

      The kids seem analogous to those we called “satanists” in the 70′s, and 80′s.

      Those dumb boys who listened to black sabbath and smoked too much pot, getting some girl pregnant at seventeen, facilitating a move into their parent’s house shortly after the shotgun marriage, still smoking pot at 28, even after having 3 kids.

      They suffer from ulcers at thirty four, divorce at forty, and either get it together and settle, or die, angry alcoholics.

      Just something missing. Funny, it appeals to the Obama crowd, too?

      Doesn’t manga mean “to eat” in Italian?

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Hero worship, cultism and Fascism share a common trait: they eliminate the need for reasoning and independent thought and, by extension independent action.

        I’d have thrown Religion in there too, but it seems many have their goats tethered on very short leads these days.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, and J Giels Band; Nassau Coliseum 1978.

        I was deaf for a week.

        • simon

          I couldn’t stand that music, it was always a soulless bore to me, with the exception of J. Giels.

          Maybe I thought it was simple, nothing to challenge me, that might have been it. It was always the loser stoners who listened to it, (not you , of course) the guys who never had anything to say, or think, for that matter.

          Even the Yes and Genesis crowds were a little better, they had pretensions toward intellectualism, and I do admire Jon Anderson as a great songwriter.

          As a kid, I was introduced to early American rock and roll through the radio, little community college stations would play the most obscure oldies, big mama thorton singing hound dog, or jewel atkins.

          I grew up in Chicago, we had a radio station, WXRT, in the 70′s and 80′s would play anything from Chuck Berry, to Yes, to Elvis Costello, to Beethoven to Muddy Waters, to the Doors, to Motown. Early morning, around 4:oo am, the DJ would play the whole side one of Yes’ “Tales from Topographic Oceans” and I would lie in bed, fully entranced, eventually memorizing each and every note, until I could play it on the piano, by ear, mimic Jon Anderson’s vocal inflections perfectly. And of course, that album being based on Stravinsky’s Firebird, I had to go find out about Stravinsky, borrowing albums from the public library.

          I miss that radio, though the internet has come up with great stations.

      • readerOfTeaLeaves

        FWIW:
        You’re not even talking about the kind of content that I reference. Some of the shogun-manga can be rather ‘vivid’ and there is also a horror genre. I have a very educated hunch that the individuals (the ‘losers’) you describe in your comment probably have undiagnosed reading or learning disabilities, so they never found reading and school work very engaging. Because they were not successful at school, they hung out and started drinking. They were either the class clowns, or the class hoods. (FWIW, a lot of research and anecdotal evidence shows that kids with learning disabilities engage in earlier, more frequent drinking, sex, and drug use.) Kids with learning disabilities often reach adolescence without the tools they needed to compete at anything but sports, drugs, or sex. However, as we have all seen, it doesn’t preclude them from becoming President of the United States.

        Frankly, one of the best features of manga is that it often reaches kids who don’t find ‘normal books’ engaging. If it gets them reading, that’s a splendid thing!

        Manga express a wide range of emotions and capture the imaginations of millions of people, many of whom have almost certainly never heard of “Black Sabbath” and wouldn’t like it if they heard it.

        In good manga, like good stories everywhere, the decent but honorable people fight against terrible odds, evil villains, and ingenious demons. But good overcomes evil in the end, generally the worse for wear, but eventually prevailing.

        Nothing wrong with that in my view.

        • simon

          Are you saying I pick on cripples? (lol)

          All I need to do is look at the art, the work or language, I see no need to feed kids junk food.

          You’re presenting a very simplistic, prosaic argument, ie, it’s art, or worthy, because of what YOU, the viewer, project onto it, (again, defining deconstructivist, analogue literary theory.) But what you perceive when you look at the picture is far different from what I see, it all boils down to how we comprehend the world around us, our level of sophistication, and our choices. If, after a certain amount of time, your argument about the use of anime in the classroom produces children who are illiterate, we have a problem, and need to find something else. And given you’re reiterating an old 70′s concept,(let’s teach with comic books, say, at least the kids will be interested) I would say manga, as you see it, doesn’t work. Try teaching Tolstoy, it’s the same, good and evil, but written by talent, and it too, can capitalize on manga. Kids can handle it, even the learning disabled.

          It comes down to the teacher, feeding the baby a pacifier dipped in sugar, to keep him quiet, doesnt it?

          I didnt care for the whole Neo craze, I thought it was gassy, pretend, lacked teeth.

          You see it as relevant, good movie making?

          Interesting.
          In the long term, destroys the teeth.

          Chrissie Hynde and Britney Spears both sing of love, who is the artist, and who is the pretender?

          What is great art? What is worthy? You’re selling trash as nutrition, it simply doesn’t work.

          Why arent’ children capable of ciritical thinking?

          All the words are there, but no depth of thought.

          Why?

          • TeakWoodKite

            Why arent’ children capable of ciritical thinking?

            The truth is they are. It is the cultivation of it in our k-12 system and culture in this country that GOES OUT OF ITS WAY, to not make this a top priority. The premise of “teaching to the test” is to subvert this critical skill.

            • simon

              The truth is they are. It is the cultivation of it in our k-12 system and culture in this country that GOES OUT OF ITS WAY, to not make this a top priority. The premise of “teaching to the test” is to subvert this critical skill.

              Exactly, yes.

              It seems, though, as witnessed in the Obama dance craze, something missed, somewhere.

              I suppose the girls went crazy for Frank Sinatra, too.

              • TeakWoodKite

                What Rat Pack does Obama belong to?

  • http://deleted readerOfTeaLeaves

    Larry, follow up — that ad may not show up in your browser. I just realized that the Obama ads are showing up for me b/c I’m in a state with a caucus still to come. But perhaps some other Obama-related text will show up in your browser at that link.

  • mudkitty

    Please stop with the circular firing squad – it’s sooo yesterday’s republican.

  • Sandy

    I agree with you, Larry. He is not qualified or proven. The cult mentality following him now scares me, too. Not based on substance. Just charisma. Look at what we are inheriting from Chimpy and Darth. Scary. Hillary can get a strong start cleaning up some of the mess.

    Let’s be practical. Let’s be real, people!

  • TeakWoodKite

    What is the point; emotion vs reason?

    Will anyone be suprised when the Supreme Court goes past the 5-4 to the right and the court takes up a challenge and rules against the plain language of the Constitution because it is the emotional thing to do?

    The choice of the Matrix is interesting because
    ‘we’(oops)are inguaged in an asymetrical conflict, much of which is kept below the event horizon and global in size. People have died attepmting to expose just the contours of what lies at waters edge. Just remember the bullets are in slow motion but are still deadly.

    What is coming will be deadly for this country. Does Obama know where the skeletons are?
    Does Mrs Clitnton? Does either of them understand the extent of the corporate replication which is this US goverment?

    Am I the only one who wishes to escape from Plato’s cave?
    We I can not count on a coluded MSM media for anything more than emotional SY-ops. The “blogs-o-sphere” appears to becoming more MSM co-opted every day. I remember when it was more like Deadwood.

    OT I wish to thank Shirin for making me more aware of the use of ‘we’ and ‘us’ and other similars. Try writing without them.

  • mudkitty

    It’s going to be one or the other, folks.

    And it’s going to be a dream ticket.

    I’m supporting Hillary, for the record. I think Obama will make a fine president 8 years from now.

    But if Obama gets the nod, are you seriously going to throw it to McPain?

    Some of you sound like Limbaugh and Coulter in reverse, with their McLame hatred.

    Stop giving ammo to rightwingers. Stop eating your own.

  • http://doublequotes.wordpress.com/ Charles Cameron (hipbone)

    The phrase, “we are the ones we have been waiting for,” is the last line of “Poem for South African Women” by June Jordan, published in her collection, *Passion: New Poems, 1977-80*.

    http://junejordan.com/byjune.html

    It has been attributed to the Hopi elders, made into a song by Sweet Honey in the Rock, used as a book title by Alice Walker, and now quoted in the course of a presidential bid…

  • Mike Howell

    This Charlatan Wants to Be President of the United States of America!

    Speaking in front of crowds in New Orleans, Barrack Hussein Obama promised he would fix the problems with the levees. Woo hoo! Better not let them talk to the now homeless people he dumped in Rezko’s Chicago slums at millions of dollars of taxpayer expense…

    Speaking in Idaho Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for gun ownership. Maybe we’ll get to see him pretending to hunt like John Kerry?

    Speaking to Move-On.org Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for legalizing marijuana. Well, he admitted he likes drugs in his crappy book.

    Speaking in California Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for drivers licenses for illegal aliens. What’s Obama going to pander to next: a passport and a gun too?!

    Speaking to his friend and cousin running for the Presidency of Kenya, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for his friend, who also supports strict Muslim law, which mandates putting women in veils. Screw him and his women hating cousin.

    Speaking to indicted/jailed Syrian friend of 20 years Rezko, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for not revealing too much about him to the federal investigators. Nothing here to look at folks, I’m just the new MLK/JFK!! He even does distracting sideshow impersonations of them when he speaks going from a southern accent to a Boston accent.

    Speaking to a crowd of Hispanics, Barrack Hussein Obama said he would learn Spanish. He did get the “Yes We Can” line down…

    Speaking in Kansas, Barrack Hussein Obama admitted he was actually half-white. But he failed to add that he loathed the white part…

    Speaking in front of a national audience on television, Barrack Hussein Obama said that he would have to see how well Bill Clinton could dance before he could consider him a “brother”. Can you imagine if a white person said that about him?!

    Speaking to a national audience, Barrack Hussein Obama said he voted against the war, (or actually would have) and then voted to fund the war when he actually could vote. Dizzy yet?

    Speaking in the Illinois State Senate, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his opposition, no actually his support, well actually his “I don’t know” 130 times on votes on important legislation. Incompetent.

    Speaking in the Illinois State Senate, Barrack Hussein Obama explained that sometimes he hit the wrong button during votes on important legislation. Drunk, drugged or demented.

    Speaking in front of crowds in California, Barrack Hussein Obama said I am not a crazy Muslim, I am a Christian and I attend a Christian church – that just gave Louis Farrakhan, radical racist black Muslim, a lifetime achievement award! Back to woohoo!

    Speaking in his own words in the books he wrote Barrack Hussein Obama said:
    - We were always playing on the white man’s court — by the white man’s rules.
    - Obama once described the white race as “that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”
    - During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.
    - At age 33, he wrote in “Dreams from My Father, that ” he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race.

    Like P.T. Barnum said there’s a sucker born every minute. Idiots voted for Adolph Hitler and George Bush/Dick Cheney and followed Charles Manson and Jim Jones.

    Larry’s a true patriot for speaking out against this corrupt character who is Obama!

    • Hope

      Your repetitive “Barrack Hussein Obama” is going to be heard quite a lot more by November. I think you just wrote your first negative ad campaign for the Republican swift-boating television spots.

      • simon

        As opposed to Kerry, though, what Mike Howell wrote about Obama is true, though he left out the part regarding Obama’s relationship to Auchi, the middle east money launderer.

        John Kerry, a legitimate Vietnam hero, was slandered, IMO, an attempt to turn a strength into a weakness.

        Two different approaches, the republicans will be gaming Obama with truth, should he win the nomination, I would think it would require a different approach.

        (Sorry for my stream of consciousness writing, I do love Faulkner.)

    • Nellie

      Terrific List – Very impressive

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hope, for me, Mike makes a point about how easy it is to assemble facts and present them…regardless of what side of the court you maybe on. Just add the video and 100 million in ad buys and your correct, except for the facts being negitive. Facts are like stem cells, you never know how the buggers will turn out.

    Perhaps someone will post the same type of list for Hillary Rodham Clinton , just to be fair about it and we can look at them side by side.

    • Hope

      Teak I think the negativity factor really just depends upon which side you are on and how you perceive it.

      Yes and one never knows where things might end up really. Once we put something out there, we can never control the outcome or how it will affect others. It can morph into many results that were or were not intended. C’est la vie.

  • Sandy

    DID he say and do those things…or not?

    That’s the question.

    Stick to the subject (of Mike Howell’s post)

  • Mike Howell

    The Charlatan Barrack Hussein Obama claims he wants to spend more time with his voters, but only agrees to a couple of debates?

    Barrack Hussein Obama could spend an hour a week with MILIIONS of voters if he agreed to weekly debates.

    Quotes from Barack Obama’s crappy racist book, Dreams Of My Father:
    “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”

    From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. (Except for claiming to be able to be “The Great Uniter” when stumping for President).

    From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.” (Except for claiming to be able to be “The Great Uniter” when stumping for President).

    From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
    “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites” (Except for shouting “Hey – My Mommy was white” when he’s in Kansas stumping to be President).

    From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”. (Except for weak JFK impersonations and saying he wants to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens when he stumps to be President).

    From Dreams Of My Father:
    “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” (Except for claiming to be able to be “The Great Uniter” when stumping for President).

    Imagine if Hillary Rodham Clinton had written a book stating:
    “I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST THE BLACK RACE”.

    “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the BLACK race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

    “never emulate BLACK men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the WHITE MAN,- SON OF AMERICA,-that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.

    A WHITE CANDIDATE WOULD BE CRUCIFIED FOR PRINTING COMMENTS LIKE THOSE IN BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S CRAPPY RACIST AUTOBIOGRAPHIES, WHICH HE HAS CAREFULLY SCRUBBED CLEAN REGARDING HIS MANY YEARS OF CORRUPTION WITH CHICAGO’S DALEY MACHINE.

    I went to YouTube to look up his speeches to La Raza (Mexican militant support group for illegal aliens) and heard for myself his pandering to the illegals. Go to YouTube and listen to his speeches. Type in Barack Obama, La Raza, illegal aliens and hear him yourself).

    • Cee

      Mike,

      Are you voting for Hillary?

      • TeakWoodKite

        Why is it important in this context, who anyone votes for?
        Mike spent what time it took and no money doing what Rethugs will spend a great deal of time and money doing.
        It is illuminating, that I have not seen the Hillary top 5 for my “shot in the arm” or a similar list for Hillary.
        Oh well, I guess 60 million (never mind private “contibutions”) was not enough to spend in vetting someone.

  • mudkitty

    Thank you for ushering in a 3rd Bush term, puritans.

    • Hope

      Mudkitty very rude. I think Mike is trying to point out the corruption that is truly Obama. We know NOTHING about this guy. The feverish pitch of his supporters borders on cultism. Cult members NEVER bother to investigate their leaders and end up getting SCREWED in the end. Remember Jim Jones – Guyana?

      Mike is merely quoting what Obama wrote already. You should be taking this up with Obama, not blaming Mike for printing what is already published. Why hide from the truth? Those words are Obama’s words not Mike’s words.

      • Cee

        Hope,

        Cultism again? ROFL! This is becoming childish.

        • Hope

          Cee it is just my perception.

      • mudkitty

        I wasn’t referring to Mike’s comment.

  • Mike Howell

    Mudkitty –

    This country was founded on a Puritan work ethic. Keep the corruption in Chi-town, please!

    • mudkitty

      Excuse me?

      • Mike Howell

        From the nature of your posts I didn’t think that you were aware of the concept.

  • vee

    This sounds so incendiary maybe it shouldn’t be posted, but it has been on my mind all day. Larry: feel free to delete.

    Earlier I had commented about the Obama campaign theme/slogan “now is our time.” What keeps coming up in my head is the phrase “time to cut down the tall trees” which was used to start the conflict in Rwanda between the Tutsies and Hutus. I am not comparing a political campaign to genocide, there’s just something about the tone of that phrase that keeps reminding me of that movie. Ok, I have gotten that off my chest and made myself feel a little crazier in the process.

    • Cee

      I’m glad this wasn’t deleted.

      I’ve noticed that Mike doesn’t say that he plans to vote for Hillary. Ashamed to be a Hillary surrogate who is doing to GOP’s wet work, Mike?

      • Cee

        doing THE GOP’s

  • Mike Howell

    Vee,

    Seeing how it’s Obama’s Muslim cousin in Kenya who started the lethal violence over what he believed to be an unfair election result, you may be right.

  • Mike Howell

    Joel Stein, an Obama supporter feeling creeped out by other Obama supporters wrote these words in the LA Times:

    “What the Cult of Obama doesn’t realize is that he’s a politician. Not a brave one taking risky positions like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but a mainstream one. He has not been firing up the Senate with stirring Cross-of-Gold-type speeches to end the war. He’s a politician so soft and safe, Oprah likes him.

    There’s talk about his charisma and good looks, but I know a nerd when I see one. The dude is Urkel with a better tailor.

    My mom, a passionate Hillary Clinton supporter, immediately attacked Obamamania. “Some part of me wants to say, ‘People wake up. He has no plans.’ I get frustrated listening to his speeches after awhile,” she said.

    I started to feel a little more grounded again. Did I want to be some dreamer hippie loser, or a person who understands that change emerges from hard work and conflict?

    “People are projecting an awful lot onto him,” Mom said. “Almost like what was that movie with, oh, the movie, oh God. That English actor, he practically said nothing. Oh shoot. He was the butler and everybody loved him and what he was thinking and feeling. Do you know the movie I’m talking about? You don’t.” Hers, of course, is the demographic most likely to vote.

    But she’s right. Obama is Peter Sellers in “Being There.” As a therapist, she’s seen the danger of ungrounded expectations. “You feel young again. You feel like everything is possible. He helps you feel that way and you want to feel that way; it’s a great marriage. Unfortunately, the divorce will happen very quickly.”

  • vee

    Mike,

    Did Obama ever recant any of those excerpts from his book? I don’t want to buy it and add any more money to his pocket.

  • Mike Howell

    Vee,

    Not only has Barack Hussein Obama never recanted those things, he wrote them knowing that he wanted to be President. He wrote these books in an attempt to cash-in on his new found popularity as a new Senator and after his Democratic convention speech, so they aren’t old.

    Michelle Obama immediately began soliciting “corporate experience” that is Board of Director seats as soon as Barack Hussein Obama became a Senator. And she got appointments with some really crappy corporations even though the Obamas still delight in talking about Hillary Rodham Clinton and Wal-Mart nearly 20 years ago.

    By the way, ABC had a video that at first was titled “Hillary Clinton failed to stand up to Wal-Mart over Unions”. I watched the video, which may still be on the site. I was amazed that the video actually showed Sam Walton talking about how they recently put a very bright strong-willed lady on the Board, who said she was going to see to it that they gave women better jobs and that they should provide health care!

    Picture Barack Hussein Obama saying that to Michelle Obama’s Treehouse CEO…!

    Most interesting, ABC later changed the title of the video to “Hillary Clinton and Wal-Mart”.

    I’m not holding my breath for the “Michelle Obama Corporate Whore” video since the media seems to either be lying in wait until after the convention or nomination and/or Rezko trial/ or future indictments start.

    MSNBC makes me long for the days of the Fairness Doctrine.

    • Cee

      I’m not holding my breath for the “Michelle Obama Corporate Whore

      Has anyone on this blog ever called Hillary a whore?

      Where is the outrage from all of you idignant people who scream about sexism?

      Mike,

      You need anger management.

      • simon

        Has anyone on this blog ever called Hillary a whore?

        No, she’s not.

        I save that term for Bill’s girlfriends.

        • shirin

          Whether that term applies to them depends upon whether they expected or accepted payment for their services.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Hillary the Movie …the ammo was free for the taking in Iraq. I would never dream of giving Republicans mine. It appears they have tons of it. Blackwater has the largest domestic stockpile in the USA.

        Oops I need to be careful what I say.

        • simon

          TWK said:

          …the ammo was free for the taking in Iraq. I would never dream of giving Republicans mine. It appears they have tons of it. Blackwater has the largest domestic stockpile in the USA.

          I ask this very seriously, do you think our military, our federal law enforcement would stand down to Blackwater, genuinely allow them to become a threat?

          Just in terms of not knowing what they were up to, their strengths, weaknesses, business partners, banks, profiles, employees, codes, do you think that is plausible?

          So many things function on so many levels, like the orange crush, say…

          • TeakWoodKite

            Merger’s and acquisitions. The government structures are at a point of disarray and the revolving door has been going on along time. It is not a “direct confrontation” in a militant sense. Ask your self why Blackwater was in New Orleans. and is running border Ops across the Mexican US border, Domestic spying, Blackwater is not alone. Ask what part of government has not been outsourced as a consequence of “government is bad” for 30 years. Not one institution of government is functional , except those that are “state secrets.” The guard is non functional in responding to a domestic disaster, and who will “us” turn to? Addington is reported as saying we are one bomb away from getting rid of FISA. What else have they gotton rid of besides the constitution, evidence, the law, etc. All tin hat shit aside hard to see the grass grow as slow as it does.

      • Mike Howell

        If the truth fits…

      • Hope

        Cee your comments are far too personal.

        • Cee

          Then ignore me.

          • Mike Howell

            Best idea you’ve had!

      • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

        I just now saw his comment and I also believe it crosses the line. I reject sexism no matter who it is directed at, no matter where it comes from.

      • Mike Howell

        You can’t handle the truth!

        • TeakWoodKite

          You were on such a roll Mike, dam craps table.

          I reject sexism no matter who it is directed at, no matter where it comes from. Agreed, corporate or otherwise.

          • Mike Howell

            How is being a corporate whore sexist? Look up words in dictionaries if you don’t understand them folks.

            • TeakWoodKite

              Now don’t take a wide stance with me MR. :)

              The fact is at first Michelle Obama went to obtain conections starting in Mayor Daileys office via an aquiantance/friend. After all that time spent clinmbing up the “corporate ladder” , can you imagine what sacrifices she has made? 51k in a single day, when her own husband traded her job away for a “one liner” attempting to gather Union support when Obama says he won’t shop at Walmart.

              Ring Ring… hey Michelle (Obama) I just told Union members I won’t shop at Walmart.
              Michelle: Fine, don’t then…Good for you!
              Obama: Yea, but how would it look when I run for President and I need Union support, with you on that Nut Tree board? I can’t use Hillary’s WalMart thing against her;You have to resign.
              Michelle: (W)TF you say!! I was planning on using that money for the down payment on our new house you ______ (insert what wives call their husbands when learning of a spouses “dumb” move.)
              Obama: I guess that means I can’t go out and play with my friends tonight?
              Michelle: Hell NO! You’re _______( insert anatomical part and its color) is grounded.
              Michelle: The only place you’re shopping from now on is on the Home shopping network!!
              Obama: But Michelle , don’t you want to be the first lady?
              Michelle: I WANT that house.
              Obama: 1600?
              click..
              Obama: Michelle? Michelle?

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    • simon

      I was thinking, (yawn)thudfactor, oh, who gives a shit what another Obamabot thinks, posting ancient bait? It’s never original, anyway, seems the same old ring around the blogs, same people, putting up wall paper, like a tagger, say, trying to obfuscate, like Keith Haring painting on the streets of New York ( Was that too confusing? An arcane reference? Too stream of consciousness? People DO know who Keith Haring is, right, they understand the metaphor?)

      My goodness, willfully ignoring Auchi, and his connections, Auchi even serving on the board of the Kennedy School of Government, at Harvard, well, shouldn’t it, at the very least, be looked into?

      • TeakWoodKite

        I remember an artist painting the sidewalks on the upper westside… It was wonderful when it rained.

        • simon

          Oh, NOT Keith Haring, it could have been any tagger, but not Haring.

          Haring’s paintings are beautiful, I have never seen a modern eye, a young eye, honor the mother and child, post modern madonnas with child, painted with such joy, and love, RESPECT, for lack of a better word.

          Haring’s paintings were to me an oasis in a world of postmodern, tech garbage dirt, techno print for the brain dead.

          And his gay erotica was great, too.

          That last line was meant to be ironic.

          Haring painted nudes of himself, with his boyfriend.

          I wouldn’t hang those on my living room wall, but, hey, to each his own…

  • Mike Howell

    As quoted in the Sunday Telegraph:

    “Obama called hypocrite for wife’s Wal-Mart link”
    By Philip Sherwell

    “A little-reported business interest of Mrs Obama’s has opened her husband up to one of the criticisms that politicians fear most – the taint of hypocrisy.

    Business link: Michelle Obama

    She is taking a break from her main job, as a well-remunerated Chicago hospital executive, to campaign for her husband. But she has just been re-elected to the board of an Illinois food-processing company, a position she took up two years ago to gain experience of the private sector.

    And the biggest customer for the pickles and peppers produced by Treehouse Foods is the retail giant Wal-Mart, the world’s largest corporation and the bête noire of American liberals, including Sen Obama, for its employment practices, most notably its refusal to recognise trade unions.

    As the Illinois senator prepared to join the presidential fray late last year, he threw his weight behind the union-backed campaign against Wal-Mart. He declared that there was a “moral responsibility to stand up and fight” the company and “force them to examine their own corporate values”.

    According to the couple’s tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse’s board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.

    She also received $72,375 in Treehouse stock options, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company.

    “Defending Treehouse while attacking Wal-Mart is a blatant example of personal hypocrisy.”

    Sen Obama’s campaign team and Mrs Obama’s spokesman did not respond to requests by The Sunday Telegraph for comment. But the senator previously told Crain’s Chicago Business magazine that, while his views on corporate reform and social justice remained the same regardless of what happens at Treehouse, “Michelle and I have to live in the world and pay taxes and pay for our kids and save for retirement”.

    Hillary Clinton, Sen Obama’s main rival for the Democratic nomination, can testify to the political dangers in liberal America of being associated with Wal-Mart, even though the company’s cost-cutting policy makes its goods more affordable for the low-paid.

    The New York senator and wife of the former President Bill Clinton still encounters flak for serving on the company’s board from 1985 to 1992, before becoming First Lady.

    According to Treehouse’s financial filings, Wal-Mart accounted for 16.1 per cent of its sales last year, up from 11.7 per cent in 2005 (a 37 per cent increase), comfortably making it the company’s biggest customer. Treehouse’s annual operating profits rose from $28 million two years ago to $84 million (up 200 per cent) in 2006.

    Mrs Obama, 43, was re-elected to the board last month for a further three years, a period that would overlap with her husband’s time in the White House if he becomes America’s first black president.

    Mrs Obama is Treehouse’s senior non-executive director and sits on the company’s audit and nominating and corporate governance committees. Her Treehouse connection is not the only awkward ethical question that has confronted Sen Obama as his past is dug over.

    Earlier this year, in response to a newspaper investigation, he said he was unaware that his broker had bought $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose leading investors included some of his biggest political donors.

    He has also apologised for his “boneheaded error” in striking a property deal with Tony Rezko, a Chicago Democrat operative facing a federal indictment.

  • vee

    Obama is getting away with this lack of scrutiny of this because of his skin color. Look how former President Clinton was smeared for looking at Obama’s war votes. We are so screwed. I hate making comments like these. It makes me feel like I am devolving into something I have always stood against. It is true though.

    • mudkitty

      Lack of scrutiny? What a crock!

  • Mike Howell

    Gee Cee,

    Why don’t you show me that Michelle Obama isn’t a corporate whore? She solicited corporate experience and she found it. AND SHE LOVES IT!

    • Cee

      Mike,

      We’ll discuss this after you tell me who you’re voting for.

      • Mike Howell

        Can’t answer the question – can you?

        • Cee

          Mike,

          You’re a loud talkin’ coward.

          • Mike Howell

            Gee Cee –

            Still can’t answer the question – can you?

  • Mike Howell

    From the Chicago Tribune 4/2007 – Shortly before Michelle Obama resigned from Treehouse:

    Just after Barack Obama entered the U.S. Senate, for instance, his wife was offered a position on the board of TreeHouse Foods, a Westchester-based maker of specialty foods.

    In 2006, the company paid her $51,200 for her board activities, according to the Obamas’ just-filed federal income tax return. Factoring in stock options and other payments, the value of her compensation package for serving on the TreeHouse board last year was $101,083, a recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission shows.

    TreeHouse packages pickles and other private-label foods for retailers. By far its largest customer is Wal-Mart. Barack Obama has been sharply critical of Wal-Mart’s business and labor practices — criticizing the giant retailer last fall for paying low wages and poor benefits while making big profits.

    Obama was promoted to vice president for community and external affairs in March 2005, two months after her husband took office in the U.S. Senate. The promotion more than doubled her salary from the hospital.

    Michelle Obama is a vice president of The University of Chicago Medical Center, where one of her signature responsibilities is guiding low-income patients away from the emergency room and into primary care elsewhere. Barack Obama’s union supporters have been critical of the management of many large hospitals for how they deal with charity care for the poor.

  • Katherine

    UPDATE

    Obama–>Rezko–>Auchi–>Saddam Hussein & Muammar al-Gaddafi

    EXCUSE ME:

    Obama got his money from Rezko who got his 3.5 million from Auchi:

    Where’s the media?

    -Nadhmi Auchi is an Iraqi-born billionaire who was charged along with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Prime minister (president) Abdul Karim Qasim and stood trial in 1959. (Auchi gave fellow Baath Party members machine guns from his home for Saddam Hussein.)

    -Auchi protected secret money for Saddam Hussein AND Muammar al-Gaddafi.

    (Remember, Obama’s Trinity church Pastor Wright went with Nation of Islam minister Louis Farrakhan in 1993 to visit Libyan socialist leader Gadaffi.)

    -Auchi also financially backed Saddam Hussein’s plan for a pipeline from Iraq to Saudi Arabia.

    -Rezko was also a business partner with Nation of Islam Founder’s son: Jabir Herbert Muhammad.

    -Rezko described his friendship with Auchi as “close”

    Why isn’t the media talking about all of Barack Obama’s scary friends who have ties to the worst people in history?

    *Don’t forget William (Bill) Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn of the Weather Underground.

    *Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga who just became co-President of Kenya this week (after 1,000 people were killed on fire and macheted) whom Obama is said to be close to (BBC–Obama calls Odinga up to three times a day) Odinga signed a secret pact with Muslim jihadists who were to ethnically cleanse people?

    And why does Raila Odinga use Obama’s exact same campaign slogan: CHANGE….Vote for CHANGE: Look at his website:

    http://www.raila07.com/

    ___________________________________________

    Thank you for your post. I’m interested in this. I’ve been digging deep online and I’ve found some startling Obama connections, but you just added a few things to my list. Especially the Odinga–Muammar al-Gaddafi connection. That makes three separate (apparently NOT separate) connections of Obama and Gaddafi.

    1. Obama $–>Rezko $–>Auchi. Auchi held big funds for Saddam Hussein and also *Gaddafi.*

    2. Obama’s Pastor Wright, along with Farrakhan, went to visit with Gaddafi in Libya in ’93.

    3. Obama’s Kenyan cousin Odinga receiving financial support from Libya–from Gaddafi, and knowing Sheikh Abdukeder Albakari (oil).

    ***Listen, go back and read my post on these same issues. Go use my leads and dig and I’ll use yours and dig.

    **I have no clue what all this *really* means. I know in 2004, Obama’s political opponent Republican Alan Keys of Chicago accused Obama of being a “hard-core academic Marxist.” Obama admitted going to socialist conferences. Frank Marshall Davis–friend, member of Communist Party (Cpusa). Also, Pastor Wright of Trinity church often gives “sermons” on politics (laced with expletives, btw) specifically getting rid of the middle-class, and he blames capitalism for the world’s ills–well, black man’s ills. Obama is friends with Weather Underground American-born terrorists from the 1960′s, and they are socialists. Gue Chevara’s face on Cuban flags at his offical campaign headquarters in Texas. Gaddafi…of course, Libyan socialist leader who believes in pan-Arabism….the coming together of all Arab countries and all Arab people globally. OT: I wonder if his athiest mother also had some interesting political ideas.

    –See, I don’t know what to think about this. What does it mean?? If Obama wins (he won’t, he basically only wins red states), what the heck does this mean? What could happen to America?

    –Don’t forget Karl Marx…don’t forget Gaddafi’s hope of the revolution of the proletariats to rise up. Who, in this case, would be the proletariat?

    Change, eh? Change indeed.

    ALLLL I am saying is: It’s weird.

    (I won’t talk about it on the boards too much, these bozos still think he’s just a super duper cool black man for President.)

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