Buchanan v. Dyson on Holder “Coward” remark * Open Thread

Yikes! Listened to that with my first cup of coffee and still reeling from a talk radio caller say that the host’s use of the term (economic) losers is racist. ***throwing hands up in abject frustration***

I’m black and i’m loving pat buchannon now. I got so damn sick of race. And the only cowards i saw this election were people who screamed racist every time someone tried to discuss valid issues about obama lack of experience and character. .

msmbc… always stepping in to do their part to… um… ahh…

by the way, i’m not saying people in this country aren’t racist, what i’m saying is if as an african american you have your shit to gether, your qualifications speak forthemselves, the race card is the tool of individual who fears discovery of true inadequacy. When you have your perverbal shit together, you can be denied nothing, and if you are, the obvious speaks for itself.

I do not believe we are a nation of cowards. I do believe we are a nation with almost no self responsibility. We allow this type of behavior to go on. Everyone is the victim. How many fathers in this country take responsibility for their children? Need welfare fine you’ll work for it.

Can’t pay your child support? Fine you too will work for it. If you don’t show up for work we’ll send a deputy over to pick you up. We’ll pay you minimum wage and you’ll work till your child support is paid for the month.

Don’t know who the father is? Or want to protect your man by not giving him up to pay support? That’s fine because soon as your child is school age you’re going to work for the state to save the state some money and you’ll be working for what you get. Training for a job.

As far as crime we need to get these people out of prisons that have not committed violent crimes. Come up with something for them, so we can make those that commit violent crimes serve their full terms with no parole or early releases. I’m not just talking about AA men either, I’m talking about all men and women.

Wow. Can’t wait to dialogue w/Dyson. And is Holder the Attorney General of all Americans or just some? Will other people of color get their own Attorney General too?
And PostRacial History month is almost over. Whew.

We can all blame our past for something can’t we? We have anger issues because a bully at school always took our milk money. Mom and Dad favored big brother and we felt left out. Blah…blah…blah…I am so FUCKING SICK of hearing about slavery and all this other happy horseshit about the black community not getting a fair shake. White people have done all they can and as far as I’m concerned, too much, to give blacks fair treatment. If they don’t want to use that to better themselves, that is THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT. I don’t have any kids that I expect taxpayers to raise. I go to work everyday, I work hard, I go to college, I pay my bills, keep my nose clean and act like I’ve got some sense. I do volunteer work at the animal shelter and have been a role model and mentor to my 11 yr old neighbor since she was 4.

Bottom line, each person is responsible for themselves. So if you go out and have a bunch of illegitimate kids, do drugs, won’t work, commit crimes and just generally don’t live your life right, well you reap what you sow. Don’t blame slavery, don’t blame white people. That excuse is old and tired. Nothing is going to change the past. Living in it sure as hell won’t.

I always hear black people on TV justifying racism exists because they can’t hail a cab in New York. “If you doubt racism exists, try hailing a cab in New York” or similar comments.

But, in the same context that Pat was laying out, WHY do black people have difficulty hailing cabs in NY?

It isn’t because the cab drivers are a bunch of racist white hicks who hate black people. The majority of cab drivers are immigrants, from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Haiti, Sudan….

Cabbies do profile based on race – but it is because of their experiences. Many have been victims of crimes, having been robbed, stabbed, beaten, or had people who bail without paying, or people who don’t tip. And those crimes have been drastically disproportionately committed by black men.

“We try to make a living, that’s all,” said Michel Cajuste, another Haitian cabbie. “We are not racists.” Another cabdriver, who did not want his name to be used, said “I’d rather be fined than have my wife a widow.”

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life,” lamented the Rev. Jesse Jackson in 1993, “than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

This is a decade old, but it is a good read.

http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/jyinger/Classes/PPA786/Readings/taxi.htm

Now I see how the hopey-dopey kool-aid kids elected Obama….When you have Professors , like Dyson , spewing their political beliefs instead of political facts, then you get an ill-informed student.
For an attorney general of the US to call us a nation of cowards because of his own beliefs is an insult not just to the white population but to ALL of us.

Them there are fightin’ words and that what gets press and ratings.

The legacy of Jim Crow is still vibrant in the AA community psyche. I personally do not know how to remove that. When I read about Frederick Douglass, MLK, George Washington Carver, and many others who had to overcome much more is simply amazing.

I have lived in both urban and rural areas. The plight is rather similar. A poor white child living in the sticks with deteriorating schools, and poor economic prospects for the future does not go to bed at night saying “thank god I am white”. However, there is the collective thinking because I am white I am not entitled to anything because the blacks get it all. Those blacks in the poor urban area only see the whites in comfortable suburbia saying only the whites have the advantages despite all of “these programs”, but society still keeps us down.

I really supported Hilary Clinton’s rural initiatives. She understood the plight of both rural poor whites and poor blacks in this country. When people understand that the problems is poverty and all of the ills that go along with it, maybe we will finally get somewhere.

OK, what is wrong with this picture. First, Holder criticizes because not enough dialogue, so a dialogue is brought on MSNBC with white Buchanan and black Dyson, and what happens….Dyson thugs his verbal way throughout the discussion. He continuously interrupts Buchanan, he already has patted answers, no need to LISTEN to white Buchanan. Is that the dialogue that Holder wants…this is not a discussion.

And on the issue that Dyson brought on about white treatment of native Americans: being black history month, I was reading about Buffalo Soldiers yesterday….”Throughout the era of the Indian Wars, approximately twenty percent of the U.S. Cavalry troopers were Black.”

And this from a blog entry by an Amerindian: “I don’t ever want any black person who reads this to forget that you slaughtered retreating Indians. And the Whites didn’t force you to do it…”

True race discussions would include people of different races and different heritage. Blacks do not represent the race issue in America. They represent the black experience and no one else.

Bla Bla bla..This is soooo old. Cowards? Na, just tired of being called Racist!!! by idiots like Dyson. EVERY single problem this country has regarding race is caused by blacks. Period. But say that and you are called a Racist!! Been there.

Also, this Dyson clown is the same old same old. Filibuster and interrupt.

Blacks are ruining this country. It’s time we share the burden? Huh??

[Administrator: Honest to god. Your mind is that small? There's always someone in the crowd who proves he is a real racist and can spoil it for those who aren't but are sick of being accused of being called racists, or feeling like they must avoid any criticism at all. You're not going to spoil it though, buddy, since you're out of here.]

“the problems is poverty” absolutely.

That’s really well and succinctly said, “Blacks represent the black experience.”
…wish I’d said it, but failing that, I read it here on NQ. Thanks, r.w.

I’ve been mugged 3 times in my life, when i lived in NYC.

All 3 were by an AA.

Just saying.

Wow, I agree with you. But when Pat Buchanan said we are not responsible for 70% of black children being born to a single mom I thought “yes we are – we support her and all the babies, through welfare – in a sick way those black babies are trust fund babies”.

And here is what I would like to add. I agree to help any single mom with her first, second and even third fatherless child, but before she gets help with the third child she must be offered sterilization. She can refuse but I will not agree to support more then three children born of her. She can have all the kids she wants but she must stretch her existing welfare check to meet their needs, just as working families have always done when they have another mouth to feed.

If you have six kids and something happens to your family I’ll help you and all six kids as long as is needed.

But if you are a single woman who is “living the dream” by producing babies – find a new source of income.

I have a hunch Mister “nation of cowards/ultimate race card” has opened a dialog that black Americans will not enjoy.

I submit that blacks are the cowards!
Instead of taking advantage of every opportunity afforded to them, they continue to thrive on the excuse of their skin color!
The large numbers in prison are NOT that they committed the crime, but were given a different sentence. Poor excuse, and the cowards way out!
Fathering children by the scores, and dumping them on society. Poor behavior, and the cowards way out!
The victim mentality is so ingrained that it is pointless for whites, and by the way, some black leaders, to engage in meaningless back and forth!

A white classmate once tried to explain, she wasn’t prejudiced until a group of young black males walking behind her began making what she described as catcalls. I asked how she got out of the situation. She said, an elderly black couple sitting on the stoop intervened, telling the boys to back off. I suggested that, if she hated blacks because the boys bothered her then, she should love blacks because the elderly couple saved her.

Slavery is an abomination. But talking about slavery as if only whites acquired and controlled human capital is cowardly, when black slave masters in Africa were eager and willing to trade their surplus conquered populations for the right price.

Blacks are no longer the largest minority in America. Hispanics are.

Dyson best pay attention to that.

You hit the nail on the head, wodiej. I too, tire of the ceaseless references to slavery and how blacks have been mistreated. Well, let’s take a look at some pertinent background, first. My family never owned slaves of any kind and I certainly don’t; no one living today was a slave owner; and no one living today was a slave. The arguments raised by the unlearned professor are not enlightening but consist primarily of fallacies of false cause. Black-on-black violence is not the fault of the white and neither is fact that a lot of black men won’t own up to their responsibilities as fathers, to name two examples. For the purpose of brevity, I’ll leave it at that.

How can one have a dialog when it begins with a premise along the lines of “you whites are cowards and are to blame for all our problems”? The simple truth is that one can’t because it starts with an assumption of bigotry on my part and a lack of bigotry on theirs, i.e., they are going to lecture me on race without acknowledging their own racism. Further, I refuse to discuss anything with anyone who has that dogmatic an attitude right up front. It just isn’t worth my effort or time.

He should ponder that one *really* hard, for sure.

Yup.

If Africans hadn’t captured, imprisoned and enslaved other Africans in tribal wars the slave industry never would have existed.

Africans STARTED the African slave trade.

How come we never hear about that?

Because the truth is racist. We can’t be disseminating the truth any longer.

Listening to Prof. Dyson, he seems to refute his own argument. Holder and Dyson are talking of America as “them”, the white folks. Yet, it is the white folks, the Warren Supreme Court, the abolitionists, Lincoln, the Republicans in Congress in the 1960s who pushed with Johnson for the civil rights legislation, who have been accepted the premise and logic of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Dyson and Holder are still waging the old separatist line and have not taken realized they are now part of the whole or chose not to. Perhaps Holder is correct but he’s referring to himself.

As a side note, I have a close from Cameroon who moved here 10 years ago to live in a country where Africans have a chance. She tried Germany, Britain and France before giving up and moving to a place that was relatively color blind.

Yikes, please read “close” as a “close friend”.

Well at least no one can call Buchanan a coward. Dyson did not address Buchanan’s points directly–he just talked circles around them. That was frustrating to watch.

Well, basil, how can you blame them? It’s all our fault and we OWE them to let them rape, murder, mug, etc. all of the white people because it’s all our fault they are victims. In fact, the 85% of violent crime committed towards whites in this country, committed by blacks, is really understandable. If you won’t just GIVE them all of your money and belongings, they’re entitled to take it by force!

Snark.

I am sooo sick of this crap. And so glad that there will finally be a backlash against all of this bullying whites into transferring their wealth to blacks through welfare. You bet in 2012 when Obama is gone things will change. You want to have 10 kids by the time you are 15, with no father? Great, get a job. You want to rape, murder and steal? Great, go to jail for life and it’s not our problem. The AAs asked for this. They played the race card, played up the guilt for something that none of US had anything to do with, they bullied this country into voting for a completely ridiculous “President” and now we get to buy them homes. Backlash is an understatement for what’s coming.

Demagoguery refers to a political strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the popular prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist or populist themes.

Also see Demagogue.

h/t to Jesse at Cafe Americain.

This is demogoguery from Holder and Rep. James Clyburn, who opined that southern governors who don’t want to take all of the stimulus money–and the federal mandates that accompany them–are RACISTS.

Race-baiting and bullying is a familiar thuggish tactic among these demogogues like Holder and Clyburn and Dyson. I for one am becoming resentful. I’m not afraid to say that “for the first time in my adult life” I do not feel supportive of these former civil rights activists. Instead I feel bullied on the basis of my race.

I didn’t vote for Obama. And, because I did not support his candidacy, I was called a RACIST. I of course had reasons other than race–in fact, race played no part whatsoever in my vote–yet, I was tarred and feathered with the broad-based-smear brush, simply because I did not support the black candidate.

Well, some of us out here are getting damned sick and tired of being smeared with the stereotype of RACIST. Clyburn and Holder can overplay their race card, and nullify it altogether, creating a backlash among the electorate. They are seriously risking their own credibility with me.

Seems our new attorney general has divided our country into “whites” and “African Americans” which shows a very narrow vision on his part since there are more “minority” Hispanics than African Americans, quite a number of Asians from all Asian countries and in spite of efforts at elimination, more Native Americans re-emerging than at any time since the initial occupation of their country.

His blatant assumption that these Americans are cowards is not only disrespectful but, I’ll say it, selfish and ignorant! Not one of these groups have not found themselves in much the same situation as the African Americans at some point in our history. (If you don’t believe it, click up their history.) Anyone remember the genocidal “The only good Indian is a dead Indian?” The World War II concentration camps for Japanese whose property was seized?

If we don’t get over this childish “he did it first and worst” division that has taken over our public servant government this nation won’t be standing in four years! And you can lay responsibility for that at the door of the man whose credentials no one bothered to check.

Many “white” people (as defined by the Obama group) assisted in equal rights for all these groups and, just this morning I was reading an article about the founders of the NAACP and guess what? They were three white people and one of them was Jewish. African Americans were not alone in their fight for equal rights; they owe a lot to those same people that Rev. Wright’s dogma vilified.

Backlash is an understatement for what’s coming.

Obama and his anti-american fiends thought they had a hopey change revolution…Wrong!

The real revolution starts in 2010-2012
Right wing backlash…Count me in this time!

Dyson’s contention that we need to admit that slavery was wrong, that Jim Crow laws were wrong, that segregation was wrong implies that we have not done that. I am always amazed at that kind of thinking, especially as a teacher who spent most of her teaching career in predominately white communities.

I grew up and went to school during the fifties and sixties. There was never a time during my school years when we were not given very good lessons on the evils of segregation and Jim Crow laws. There was never a time when we didn’t learn in history classes about the evils of slavery. We all felt sorry, guilty, and many in my generation grew up and fought and died for the Civil Rights causes.

These are lessons still being taught in public school curricula. As an English teacher who always found To Kill a Mockingbird on the list of required classroom books for ninth graders, I can’t count how many times we provided all kinds of background material about Jim Crow laws. I even once played Billy Holiday’s “Strange Fruit” for them.

So I wring my hands saying to myself, how much more can we apologize?

I am the granddaughter of four grandparents who escaped from Bolshevik Russia to come to America with nothing. Because they were from groups sometimes called Volga Deutsch or Bessarabian Germans (now called Germans from Russia), they spoke an 18th-century dialect of German. My grandparents grew up seeing signs that said things like “No Germans” or “No Russians” in the stores of their communities. Granted, it did not last as long a segregation, and because we are Caucasian we eventually blended in more easily. We’ve never asked for an apology.

But this type of segregation has happened each time a new wave of immigrants come to the U.S. from a particular ethnic group.

It’s just crazy–I don’t know how much more of an apology they want from us.

But, one thing is sure, until they are willing to assimilate by moving out of their AA conclaves and allowing us to know them and judge them on their individual merits, it’s not always fair to blame us for slavery, Jim Crow, etc., when many of our ancesters were not even around during those periods of U.S. history.

I am encouraged by modern teenagers. I last taught in a high school that was predominately Caucasian, but it also had a large Asian population, Hispanic polulation, and even AA population. I did not witness any prejudice on the part of kids. They dated each other, worked in clubs together, walked down hallways together.

If there were racial problems they usually came outside of school. We had, for instance, several Asian gangs that would fight each other.

The only time I had to interfere came because my position as newspaper adviser. My editor, a Caucasian girl, began dating an AA boy. She wrote a commentary about how surprised she was by the racial comments the AAs threw back and forth to each other. She was genuninely shocked. She would have come unglued to hear those terms from anyone else, so she didn’t think it was right they spouted them to themselves. She was also very upset that the coach she saw witnessing the event during practice didn’t step in and stop it.

The principal called us to the office after the commentary appeared and tried to claim she made it up. I stood up for her. (In my state student journalists have all the rights of regular journalists.)

It came out through the grapevine that he was battling the issue on a different front. Some Hispanic parents had complained that a coach had allowed Hispanic youths on the team to call each other racial names, and he had been called on the carpet for doing nothing about the coach. He just didn’t want corroboration that it was happening to come out in the school paper.

But keep in mind this: in each case it was not the predominately “Whitey” group that had been slinging racial epithets.

You have made some points that were in dire need of making. Thank you.

I’m with you. Revolution it is. One month in, states are calling sovereignty under the 10th Amendment, people are throwing tax revolts, signing up for tea parties lol. It’s coming. It’s only been a month, can you imagine the fighters in this country in SIX months, after they all figure out what was done to them with the Bacon Bill?

Where are my pitchfork and torch Seattle? I made the lasagna!!!!

I’ve always thought this constant charge of racism diluted the very meaning of the word. At this point in time, I’ve tuned it out because it’s turned into a lame blame game.

Dyson talks about “redistributing the blame and the pain.” Love the terminology. Redistribution seems to figure into everything and anything anymore.

Dialogue about race always ends in the same finger pointing. I still say the best line I heard on the matter came from Morgan Freeman. He stated this takes during an interview with Mike Wallace: “How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it.”

And I think the whole race/class argument takes our eye off the ball. As long as we’re tearing at one another, the fat cats and power brokers get to act with absolute impunity. I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.

Yeah, and what is the thanks everyone gets for fighting for civil rights? We STILL get them up in our face, screaming about racism that, truthfully, IMO doesn’t exist. They rant about being victims of whitey (just like Mechelle) and now we have a “President” who made bank on making the situation 100 times worse with his rants about how fuc*ked up the Constitution is because it didn’t include “financial reparations” for blacks. Obama will be responsible when this whole race things goes bad. He’s not a leader and he divides people worse than they ever have been.

Well said!

I also forgot to mention that two high schools in the Denver area have become news. A group of AA boys were yelling racial putdowns agains the AA players on the other team during a game. The first group came from a predimonately AA high school. The “sin” of the AA players on the other team, I guess, was that they were attending a high school with many other-than-AA students.

At least the coach in the offending school took it upon himself to be upset and confront the situation.

Pajamas Media has a thoughtful essay on Mr. Holder’s comment at http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/no-place-nowadays-for-eric-holders-nation-of-cowards-rant/. I remember the change in the Civil Rights movement in the late 60s. Whites were suddenly out from helping and accused of participating only to assuage their white guilt. That was a bunch of crap then and is now. We participated because for some of us, it was what Jesus would do and for others, it was the logical conclusion to what the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution stood for. Drs. Cosby and Toussaint might have something to say to Mr. Holder.

i see some of u still cant get over hillary losing the african american votes lol

Whatever

My friends from Cameroon and Liberia say the slave trade was stocked w/ the outcasts from different tribes. Tribes would send to slavery their miscreants or mentally ill. One friend from Liberia identifies criminals on TV or in the paper as being from particular tribes that had histories of criminality. Tribes that were considered to be thieves rather than farmers or merchants.

Is that all you have, you miserable troll? If you were any more stupid you would cease breathing. We’re discussing serious issues and you post off-topic and irrelevant nonsense. Try HuffnPuffPo, where all your fellow slack-jaws meet.

I liked what Pat said about Obama sitting in that church for 20 years and listening to that racist spew hatred and didn’t say anything. That my friends is cowardice.

Get a job, haha, you miserable little loser.

My mother in law told us that’s how they do it in Germany. Except, they only help with one fatherless child. Any other child born out of wedlock after that you have to find a way to support other than medical. However, they will help if say you have 5 or 6 children (which not many do there today just using that as an example) and then one of the parents dies so you’re unable to fully support them. She said it prevents a lot of fathers from thinking they can just walk away.

Let’s say I have a child out of wedlock and the government has to help raise them. Both father and mother that is their one child they’re allowed to ask for help for. Then years later I have a couple children and my spouse is killed they won’t help those children because they’ve supported the one child. I’m not sure how that works I’ll have to ask a couple of my friends in Germany about that?

Aren’t you afraid that would harm the children? That would be my only concern…although it seems to work in Germany.

The sad news is that Obama getting “selected” would be a great chance for AAs to embrace equality of all races and to feel uplifted. Not that they need more of that BS. Nevertheless, every time one of these jackasses throws the racist crap around, it makes AAs victims all over again and weakens their cause. He’s not doing his pals any favors with his crap.

One last thing and you can go back to the river in Africa. Every one is saying the same damn thing. Every one knows it. But God forbid you add up all the points made here (blacks this, blacks that, I’m sick of blacks this and blacks that, etc) and actually come to a logical conclusion. Here’s an entire post, that is not worthy of getting the author banned, because the author didn’t have the guts to come to a conclusion that is inescapable, unless you find all of the things he points out helpful to our nation, or all the things he points out are not blacks fault, or everything he said is false:

“Well, basil, how can you blame them? It’s all our fault and we OWE them to let them rape, murder, mug, etc. all of the white people because it’s all our fault they are victims. In fact, the 85% of violent crime committed towards whites in this country, committed by blacks, is really understandable. If you won’t just GIVE them all of your money and belongings, they’re entitled to
take it by force!”

THAT got approval, but I’m racist? I can live with that.

You have no problem allowing others to point out facts, but to go the next step? Horrors.

Thank you all NQ posters, what a good read today. As far as the video I can’t comment, there just aren’t words anymore.

I’ve always thought this constant charge of racism diluted the very meaning of the word. At this point in time, I’ve tuned it out because it’s turned into a lame blame game.

Hell, at this point the word is bereft of any real meaning and merely a knee-jerk utterance for people who don’t have the capacity for cogent argument.

I think Dyson knows his “expertise” on the race issue in the U.S. is fast going to count for nothing on the job market, and he is just trying to cash in as fast as possible.

Academic freedom should not be the catch word that allows professors to spout their own personal beliefs and then give their students no chance to argue with them. Most students just get through college by spouting back the nonsense they get from these types of professors in order to pass, knowing that if they write or say anything that contradicts the teacher, they will get a poor or failing grade.

Guess what? Ayers and Ward Churchill will be holding a rally at CU (Boulder, CO) soon to protest all the return of censorhip on campus. If I were a Valley Girl, I’d respond by saying, “Gag me with a spoon.”

I do hope a lot of students have the sense to question them with some good researched questions.

Go Pat Buchanan!

JS, what “facts” did I state that are “false?”

Race, Crime and Justice in America
The Color
of
Crime

Second, Expanded Edition
Major Findings

• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,
and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving
blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty five
percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.

Dyson is all gas and zero substance, imo. I truly find him insufferable and don’t know how someone with his obvious lack of candor could achieve the position he occupies. He needs a few courses in elementary logic, the kind which Pat used to beat him over the head with.

brava
What IS cowardly is that there are so many other forms of discrimination that get drowned out.
One type, sexism is by far the WORST form, females the world over are still enslaved, mutilated, murdered, oppressed, discriminated against, specifically killed before they’re born because they’re female, and yet you’d never hear any of these guys get their blood boiling about that.
Handicapped persons are mistreated. People who aren’t attractive are even mistreated no matter what race! Elderly are mistreated.

The browbeating is due to the political power that focusing on one type of discrimination brings. Angry Dyson is just fine and dandy with all the other forms of discrimination. So is Obama, who backed a “Sharia for Peace” deal with enemy Taliban (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/4681480/US-privately-backs-Pakistans-Sharia-law-for-peace-deal-with-Taliban.html) and is fine with turning a blind eye to the torture and death and deprivation females will feel under the Taliban (say hadn’t we stopped them?). Not to mention his “I got 99 problems and a bitch aint one of them) or his “lipstick on a pig” associations.

HYPOCRITES and opportunists.

SOmething for the open thread part:

Obama beats out Jesus as America’s hero
February 19, 2009 SUN-TIMES STAFF
ROCHESTER, N.Y. — Americans named President Obama as their No. 1 hero, followed by Jesus Christ and Martin Luther King, in a new Harris poll.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1440284,w-obama-jesus-christ-hero-harris-poll021909.article

Bammmmmmmmmmm! Hit him where it hurts!

I have fallen in love with Pat and his sister. They tell it like it is without holding back!

Take responsibility for yourself. If you are in the gutter, crawl out! If you are ignorant, get educated! If you are stewing in self pity, get over it!

I grew up poor and hungry. It motivated me to do better and be better!

It works for everyone – you just have to put in the work!

Fuck Dyson, Fuck Holder, and Fuck Obama!

CAROL HAKA

Who the hell did they poll? Okay, that’s just more proof that this country is full of the ignorant and stupid. Oh my God.

Words escape me. Really…

Alexis,
I have been working out the final design for that double headed pitchfork as requested.
I’m designing them with a torch already attached in the middle.
I definitely don’t want to leave out convenience.

My wife and I will take two, please

Someone should enlighten Holder and Dyson to the fact that Obama doesn’t care a rat’s as about the black community as evidenced by the way he left his constituents to starve and freeze to death in the dark in Chicago.

How’s that $100 a pound steak working for you Obama?

Thought so!

CAROL HAKA

Ohh thanks honey, you beat me to it! WHat he said, Seattle.

I don’t really have a coherent personal position on blacks and racism in the US because I have always lived in the Southwestern US where social turmoil has for the most part been dominated by Hispanic/Anglo and Native American/Anglo issues. However, several impressions come to mind listening to Buchanan and Dyson: (1) What did Eric Holder have in mind when he made these comments at the Dpt of Justice; we didn’t hear his comments in full context; (2) I don’t believe Prof Dyson is a good spokesman for the AA community; I haven’t the slightest idea what point he was trying to make; he is full of it; (3) No one can ever accuse Pat Buchanan of being a coward; (4) President Clinton was outrageously accused by some black politicians during the Democratic primary of being racist because he had the gall to compare Obama’s performance to Jesse Jackson’s performance; whose cowardice and whose hypocrisy should Buchanan, Dyson and the rest of us be talking about here?

Not one single fact you stated was wrong. My point was that what you stated was fine and dandy, but what I said (a conclusion based upon facts such as the ones you appropriately brought) got me banned. Why? Why is it ok to “generalize”, and point out what everyone knows and is sick of, but to ask how on earth those who are perpetrating this crap are any good at all for our country is the last straw?

I was not attacking you. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe, when enough are not too scared to speak the truth, all this racial BS, and the massive trouble it spawns, will have a chance to end.

I got banned for answering the question what is 2 + 2? as 4, instead of 3 1/2.

My belief is that blacks are capable of better behavior, but choose to behave as they do. The bloggers belief has to be that they are helpless, and incapable of behaving well, and therefore, they are not to be touched.

Alexis gets her forks with the Lasgna she’s prepared…

How would you like to barter for those forks today?
Any fine dish will do…

Cash not accepted do to crash soon!

However they all had a choice if they had only picked the wife of the “First Black President” to lead us onwards and forwards now all the time is spent arguing what is black and what is white…

Such a waste of energy when from day 1 we would have had leader for ALL the people….
Regardless the color of the skin..

What a sad day!

That was infuriating to watch. I am so inclined to tune out the world today, the news, economics, politics. It is driving me to the point of insanity. I dont remember circumstances being so frustrating and overwhelming. I am alone or has it always been like this and I just did not notice?

Oh ferchrisesakes.

[heh]

Will read the PJM article, the title makes perfect sense to me. We’ve just elected a black president, so instead of being happy, politicians are hammering the very white voters who elected that black president.

They’re whipping up racial resentments on both sides in the process. Inflaming passions on this issue is a very dangerous game.
Obama should really tell his appointees and his party ideologues that it’s not, er…HELPFUL to his administration, or to the party.

Excellent point.

All races of people have been slaves at one point or another in history. Why is it you can’t find anything being taught in our schools about Debtor Prison’s? Work Farms? We can’t talk about that!Just do a google search and see what you come up with. Why is it we don’t talk about them?

My great grandparents from my mothers side were thrown on a work farm. They came to this country and because they didn’t have a job the minute they stepped off the boat that’s what they did to them. Gave them a bungalow and made their rent more than what they paid them in a salary. Any child they had over the age of 10 also had to work. They worked from sun up till sun down 7 days a week. Many of the women were raped. People were beaten. Many children were taken and placed for adoption when one parent would die as the other parent’s screams were left unheard.

My great grandmother gave birth to one of her children while working the fields. She was beaten and told to pick up her child and get back to work. She was also punished by not being paid for that days work. That isn’t slavery? Oh, but we won’t call it that. We have more polite terms. The only thing that saved them was the war when my great grandfather volunteered to go and fight for the USA. They told us it wasn’t just foreigners either. There were many Americans that lost their jobs, etc that were there with them; all white.

That was not that long ago in history either my great grandparents just died about 14 years ago. One was 101, the other 103. Our grandparents, great aunts and uncles told us the horror stories, they were there as children. They worked the farms, saw what was done to their parents. My grandmother died two years ago at 83. My great grandparents wouldn’t talk about it. They loved this country no matter what she did to them when they first got here and made sure we all did as well.

Look what was done to my grandfather’s family. He was full blooded Native American. Blackfoot. The jewish people in both Germany and Egypt. Etc.

I read a comment on another blog that just about made my head pop. He said it’s about time that white people started standing up and taking responsibility for their actions. Agreeing with the minister about doing something right for a change.

I thought OK so the more than half a million white men that died to free slaves weren’t doing the right thing? What was in it for them? It wasn’t the white man that went and kidnapped AA’s and brought them to this country. It was there own people that did that to them! That sold them. How many of them volunteered to go and do the same for the white people that were in debtors prisons and work farms to free them because they knew the suffering of slavery?

Where is the outrage at their own ancestors that did that to their families? What about the way they were being treated in Africa as slaves? Are they suing Africa to ask them to pay for what was done to their families? Are they standing up now for African’s that are still slaves? No, they don’t want to talk about that and that shuts down that communication right there.

Every race has their own history of horrors not only that they have suffered, but that they’ve made other’s suffer. You have to be strong enough to pick up and move forward, to want something better, by earning it. Living in the past won’t change anything. It’s not just Afican Americans though and it’s not all of them. There are many White people, Hispanics today that seem to think they’re owed something and I don’t understand where that comes from.

(Another report. See this is what happens when you don’t post for a long time. Everything bottled up comes out.)

The statistics are telling regarding the sense of entitlement and cultural indoctrination as to blacks’ roles in american society.

Who will they listen to? The likes of Dyson and Holder only confirm their right to commit crimes against society by giving them a convenient scape goat reason to continue.

Obama is corrupt. Whites are the enemy. The black celebrities promote misogyny, crime, and the gansta lifestyle in many cases. Male parents aren’t there for the children. Female parents make welfare their occupation.

Only 2-3% of blacks take advantage of college opportunities.

All this pointing of fingers is doing is exposing the underbelly of black society in America.

I worried about that later, the welfare of the children involved. This is where it could all break down, because none of us want children to suffer.

So if the single mom needs help with a child after her initial 3 (or 1 as in Germany) the help should come in the form of foster care.

The 4th/2nd child could go to a reletive but after that the children must go to people with no connection what so ever with the birth mother.

I too have friends from Cameroon who live here! Yes I talked with another African friend of theirs, he said his friends who moved to Germany are under threat from skinheads. Russia, the same. China, forget it. They have very few rights in China, interracial dating is illegal there.

I stll think rw’s comment up there at 2:22:08 is seminal: “Blacks represent the black experience”.
We must not let AAs define and codify race as if AA is all there is.
How did it get to be this way, that AA’s are in charge of all racial experiences? Back to rw: Blacks represent the black experience. That’s all.

I have a friend who owns some rental properties in a neighboring town, very well maintained homes that are in the inner city historical district. He told me that when a prospective renter is AA, the first question he always gets is, “Are there Hispanics in this neighborhood?” Maybe, as Pat suggests, the AA community should examine its own positions on race before it lectures the rest of the country. I never heard a racial slur at my parents’ kitchen table, my children never heard one at mine. But this “victim” agenda is, quite frankly, really getting old, and for people like me, the “racist” label attached to many of us simply because we didn’t support Obama has done nothing but make me numb to the rhetoric of those like Dyson, whose success is based on perpetuating the racial divide at all costs. If that makes me a “coward”, so be it.

I made two enormous pans of Lasagna with Italian Sausage. Homemade long simmered pasta sauce in there, made fresh from Roma Tomatoes. Anything, anything, for my double-headed pitchforks!

We made them helpless, so they are. We have been apologizing, forgiving, paying for, you name it all of the guilt they laid on us. They have every opportunity any other race or culture has in America, probably more considering the guilt and reparations factor, and they just can’t get it together and get over themselves about this “racism” crap. Why should they, by the way? It’s working for them.

Dyson’s own racism sells his books, he should be very wary of trying to eradicate it from our society–no more racism, no more money.
Working in an inner city hospital an AA man and his sisters came up to one of the desks and asked to go back to see their mother. The clerk told them that all the doors were locked and they would come around and unlock them, the AA man said to his sisters, “That’s what the hoodlums and thugs have done, you can’t even get back to see your own mother.” So Dyson needs to go and write some parenting books to tell his readers how to bring up their children not to be angry and violent citizens– I can’t tell you how many times we hear from AA mothers who don’t bring in books or toys for their little ones to play with while they are waiting to be seen in the E.R, “Sit down or I’ll beat your butt.” That should be the name of one of Dyson’s books because that phrase is imprinted in all of our minds, AA and white and hispanic and Asian, that work in the E.R. And I can count on one hand in 10 years the times a father has brought his child or children into the E.R.–the inner city children’s fathers are ABSENT, not around and 99% are on Medicaid.

The grievance monger kept getting getting cut off by a communications glitch. It must have been a conspiracy by “The Man”.

I don’t know if you are black or not but what Holder and Dyson are doing will ultimately come back to hurt blacks more than anybody!

By the way, I went to a really WASPy, preppy private high school. My Italian heritage did not escape the cruelty of my fellow students. I got called “dago” and “whop” and asked if I wanted to “go get a pizza” every day. So what. It doesn’t mean I went out and robbed liquor stores and skipped school to sell drugs because of it.

I made two enormous pans of Lasagna with Italian Sausage. Homemade long simmered pasta sauce in there, made fresh from Roma Tomatoes.

That makes me want to sharpen those pitchforks even more…

If you think we’re having heated responses here, go to You-tube and look up this clip.

The backlash has started. Right down to calling whites and blacks two different species of humans!

Ouch!

Hurry up Seattle. I need some double-headed pitchforks to skew some Obot trolls!!!

Perhaps some brownies, perchance, would be accepted in trade?

Racism is a good excuse for underachievement or failure. It is unrealistic to think that those who need this crutch will let go of it any time soon.

It is getting worse. I guess the guy’s got to make a living (selling books) and you can’t blame him for trying his best in that. If he had to speak to Buchanan’s points it would weaken his argument. But we as viewers either 1) tolerate a lot more bs than we used to or 2) are moved more by the emotional than the logical, or both. Imho, anyway.

I guess the guy’s got to make a living

Then he should take up a more conventional line of employment, something which , at least tangentially, approaches the truth.

Excellent points. Demagogues are rampant these days.

It’s equally unlikely that people who blame their own personal failures on the perceived preferential treatment given to minorities will let go of that particular rationalization anytime soon.

I went to a half black, half white HS. We fought every friggin’ day. I (we) was called the white devil by blacks driven to school in Cadillacs (yes, I know that that is a “stereotype, but it is also true) by their well-off parents, while I rode the bus because my rather poor, hard working parents had to, well, work hard. Somehow, I never got into drugs or crime. I never belonged to any sort of white-separatist “church” or group, like your new president. Yet when I take a look around at the never ending BS, and see no way that America is NOT being hurt, I am called a racist. THAT is why we are losing, and will lose this country. The same people who will cheerfully, and self-righteously call people like me a racist, will not call a genuine racist-the new president who spent 20 years in a black separatist “church”, the same.

Just wanted to relate to you all a story that really touched me. I was out shopping a month or so ago and saw an older white couple pushing a grocery cart with twin African American babies in it. I stopped to goggle at the babies and got talking with the lady. I thought maybe they were her grandchildren but they were foster children. She had brought those babies home from the hospital at two days old and they were about nine months olds. When I asked if they were going to adopt them, she said no, that they were going back to their mother any day. I asked if the mother had really shaped up and she said no, she didn’t think so, but they were going back anyway because the court had given their approval. The woman loved those children, you could tell, and she had tears in her eyes telling me they were going back. She said that they had fostered over forty other children and all had gone back to parents that were questionable. When I asked why she did it, she said “Because I hope that somewhere deep down inside them they will know that this fat old white lady loved them and wanted the best for them.” I can’t tell you how that touched me. She went on to explain that she felt that many in the black community were raised with the idea that white people thought less of them, and she wanted her service to stand as her statement against this falsehood. She hoped that it would make a difference in how these children saw the world, and I think it was a wonderful way to do it.

I think that she is right. There are many children being raised to believed that white people are all working against them, and that they don’t want good things for them. Now, there may be some white people who are racist or who have evil intent, but I think that the vast majority don’t feel that way. The isolation of the black communities makes it so that there are many who really don’t have exposure to white people to test this teaching.

I live in a very integrated, very nice neighborhood outside of Detroit. The city of Detroit is probably the most segregated city in America, but our suburb is not. Friends of ours, who live in Dubai but are Indian and were considering moving to the US asked me about racism in America. They had heard so much about how racist Americans are and worried that if they came they wouldn’t be accepted. I told them that, at least in my neighborhood, people are pretty simple — take care of your home and your family – mow your lawn, be kind to others and teach your kids to do the same, and you will have no problem. But let your grass grow to thigh high, or let your children roam the neighborhood wreaking havoc, and people have a way of turning from you. I know it sounds simplistic, but most people are pretty simple and most people are good. There will always be people that, out of ignorance or upbringing, you can’t please, but that is not what the average American is like.

As a middle aged white man who grew up and still lives in the South, I for one am tired of all the racism talk. I couldn’t care less what color the President is, or the color of my neighbor, or the color of the person sitting beside me in a restaraunt. I care about how they treat me or my family. I don’t disagree with Pres. Obama because he is black, I don’t like his policies!

JS,

I have never been a racist in my life. Never and I wasn’t brought up that way, despite being born in 1962.

Way back in the 60′s when race relations were touchy, my attorney father went into the ghetto and took pro bono cases to help blacks. The people we had in and out of our house were often scary, it was the 60s remember and some of these people were pretty violent and radical, but my father always saw the bigger picture. I imagine he would be heartbroken to see the race baiting piece of crap we got for a President. Someone who used people’s weakness and self loathing to get votes. He’s not a man or a leader, and he is the one dividing our country. So sad.

kgirl. Those are my exact sentiments. I agree with you 1000%. I am an AA, 63 yr old female who supported Hillary Clinton. I am beginning to feel that as a race of people we are going coo coo. Where have our values gone, values of hard work, fairness to all people, ability to speak the truth, great moral charcter like MLK? Although things have improved immensely we have become a race of complainers. Do we still have to go further, you bet. Take me for example. When I was growing up in MS, out of wedlock births were condemned, but families did help out. People felt that one mistake could be overcome. There were no welfare checks, no rent subsidies, no gas and light bill payments. Now many take this help as if its owed to them. My Mom and Dad raised 14 children. My Dad died when I was tenth grade. With the exception of the oldest four, we all graduated college by our own hard work and by receiving Natl Student Loans that we gladly paid back. Of the oldest four one was a policemen in Milwaukee, another a plumbler, another worked at the post office in Chicago and one worked at a factory in Little Rock. We all live a middle class life. As a people we don’t understand our history and how many whites laid their lives on the line for us. I shake my head in disbelief at some of the stupid things uttered by our so-called leaders like Clyburn, the Jacksons, and Dyson, etc.

Apparently people like Dyson feel their experience is unique and that they are “owed”. I owe him el-zippo.

Thank you for a remarkable and especially appropriate post.

Ferd

I’ve heard that saying about the cabs – but I’ve heard that most cabbies in NY are recent immigrants, not “American whites”.

But what really gets me about that saying, and others like it (such as the high percentage of blacks in jail being whites’ fault), is that there is never any acknowledgment of what others have done. For ex – you can’t get a cab because you’re black? Why do you not have any anger against the criminal blacks who have robbed cabs and made cabbies nervous? Angry because a lot of blacks are in jail? Why are you not angry at them or their parents for their upbringing?

No, the anger is always directed at whites. But until black people start holding themselves to a higher standard nothing will change. Bill Cosby tried to do that, and look how the black community tore him down.

All you have to do is look at Jews. Their ancestors suffered probably the worst thing ever. But the descendents took personal responsibility for their own lives, and as a group, American Jews are very successful. They could have spent generations whining about what was done to them and waited for someone else to help them, but they didn’t.

The ball in in the blacks’ court. And those who have succeeded (and most are middle class now) need to have a conversation about personal responsibility with the blacks who are waiting for a handout.

I was working on a project with two very famous black men. They both made MILLIONS of dollars every year and had always been very successful in business. They had wives, children, gorgeous mansions by the beach or in the Hollywood Hills, etc. What could be wrong with their lives? They have lives, possessions, success, etc. that 98% of whites will NEVER have.

The project we were working on involved blacks in the 60′s and of course dealt with the racism of the time. I happened to ask, for my own curiosity, if they felt they were different being black. I was blown away by their answers. They both said that every minute of every single day they are aware they are black, that they feel like everyone treats them differently because they are black, etc. Now, I know both of these men, and how the top echelon of people in this country, all the way up to Spielberg, treat both of them. WTF is wrong with people who have everything in the world and still think that they are “different” because they are black.

My answer to them was that it was in their heads. I didn’t see “color” when I looked at them. I couldn’t BELIEVE what I was hearing. It was pitiful to be honest. They can have Oscars, mansions, beautiful families, you name it, but they still can’t get over being black. Wow.

White’s were not the only slave owners. Do some research and check this link for The William Johnson house in Natchez, Ms.

http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tp/188c3d/

it is their own black leaders and the government who keep pushing the victimology.

As a professor I had in college once said, “Why do you think we have stereotypes?”

Duh, because certain groups of people engage in noted and predictable behavior repeatedly.

Alexis

I’m a bit older than you, but same here. I grew up in the eye of the storm, in a town that went from mostly white to almost all black, by the time I graduated HS, and am not to this day a racist.

It’s truly sad that in 2009, if you have belonged to a black separatist “church” for 20 years-leaving only when it became politically necessary-speak of “typical white people”, and promote things that can only do our country harm, etc, you are labeled as having “poor judgement”. On the other hand, if you have the audacity to point out that the emperor has no clothes, you are the racist.

Wisewoman…your name says it all. Thank you. I love reading all of your posts BTW.

Over apologizing is the problem. An apology, or the recognition of a historical error, is really an invitation to meet at a common central ground and start moving forward together in a new direction. Over apologize and you become weak, and the pattern of giver and taker cements itself.

IMO, people who believe in equality for all need to stop apologizing or feeling guilt and start pushing back….till the central ground is reached.

Which brings us to Individual Responsibility. It levels the playing field, now doesn’t it…

Perceived preferential treatment? Saw it in action there, bud. It’s real and it has done massive damage in it’s path to dumb down America.

This is the next step on the path. Blacks get to be responsible for their own behaviors and destinies! Wow! What a concept!!!!!

Three?? Surely you jest!! If a woman wants to have a child, she can damn well support it. If she can’t then she shouldn’t have it. If she was promised support by the father and he reneged, then fine, help her, on the condition that she goes on the Pill or perhaps the implant birth control. I see no reason to subsidize someone’s promiscuity if they aren’t prepared to take precautions against pregnancy. I don’t mind if people have round heels, as long as I don’t have to pay for the consequences. I do, however, think that all children, no matter what their familial circumstances, should have access to full and total health care. Let their parents feed, clothe and shelter them. That is a parent’s JOB.

sorry but that racist bs doesnt hold water anymore since it was a majority of whites who put obama in office. there’s your reparations. now maybe you can stop whining about racism.

That happens far less than the situation which felizarte was addressing.

Nice try, though, at changing the subject.

JS,

They had this whole Obama fraud planned for many years. I’m sure when Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, and all the other DNC crooks were sitting around plotting the White House coup, they came up with the plan to make people STFU about Obama, which was the race card. I guess they didn’t figure that he had his own sneaky little racist secret, that hate filled, whitey slamming piece of crap separatist church. And, yeah, when we pointed it out, WE got slammed.

If McCain would have attended a KKK church, talking about how black people caused 9/11, can you IMAGINE what would have happened? That’s why I am praying for the backlash. The pendulum has swing way too far to the wrong side.

that is an excellent post and I thank you for sharing the history. I personally knew nothing about work farms and I bet the majority of others haven’t either.

Every single person has suffered pain and injustice. It all boils down to one thing. You use that to become a better person. And you take personal responsibility for yourself. Because in the end, no one can fix a past wrong.

The problem is not poverty. It’s a lack of fundamental values–education and family integrity. You can be poor and still know right from wrong. I’m black and raised by grandparents that drummed into me day and night that education was the most important thing. And quite frankly folks from all races could learn to be more dignified and modest. As a child I learned how to act around adults vs my friends. I learned you walked in the house and ran outside. These are basics that have nothing to do with $$$.

I’m not a coward but this morning I got banned from another forum for trying to explain that I thought Sharpton and Clyburn were racists and that an element of fascism was racism and it looked like that was the direction the country was going in and that the facsists were black. Someone, an AA I guess, took this incorrectly and followed me around the forum and disagreed with everything I said and now I am banned. And this was a forum on which I had 1500 posts and life member and never a complaint or warning of any kind. I am an outspoken person and sometimes on a forum what you say comes out not exactly right and I am not a racist, but I should not have to say that. But, I really understand now why most people just keep their mouths shut because no matter what they say they are a racist. I am pretty tired of this game.

Eric Holder needs to go. It is disturbing and despicable that soldiers of all races, all heritages, all religions are putting their lives on the front lines of two wars and dying, while a member this administration declares the US “a nation of cowards.”

It does not matter to what he was referring to, the last thing this country is is a nation of cowards in any respect, and the last thing this country needs at this time of economic uncertainty is to feel worse about itself than it already does. It does not need further badgering by Obama and his ilk.

I agree, but if everyone did that, where would 90% of the people in the MSM be now?

…or 90% of politicians–yikes!

JS. Your statements imply all blacks are bad and need to leave the country. Statistics are great as a barimeter to guide us in an effort to attack problems. If blacks are 13% of the 300 million US population (39 million) and an estimated 1 million of the 1.39 million prison population are black (high estimate) then only 2.6% of blacks are comitting crimes. Please keep these numbers in perspective. Taken out of context they might make it appear as though a majority of blacks are criminals which is untrue. The vast majority of blacks do not commit crimes. Those that do should be punished to the full extent of the law just as with any other race.

It seems a lot of the AA community wants to rationalize lewd, crass, boorish behavior as somehow a ‘unique expression of their experience.’ The hip hop/rap pop culture, for example, is the marketing of dehumanization and it is grotesque. Objecting to it is often met with an accusation of intolerance for AA ‘expression of self’. Good flipping gravy! I am contemptuous of this lewd, crass, boorish mentality and behaviors. It demonstrates poor character, not ‘coolness’. Having standards doesn’t make me racist.

Hopefully unemployed!

Hillary’s done more for AAs than BHO and Meechelle put together (and their socialist/facist friends).

Hillary should have given her own “race” speech during the primaries, highlighting all of her efforts and achievements smoothing the way for equality between the races, and class struggles Americans face every day.

Hillary was just awarded a stellar achievement by the Martin Luther King foundation. Are they racist? When she appeared with Tavis Smiley and defended President Clinton’s gains in race relations, did that make Tavis racist also?

Hillary is not the racist one — BHO is with his Black Liberation Army anti-white philosophy.

yes, someone on this thread got banned and I honestly saw posts much more volatile than his/hers that did not get banned. It seems even when we have a thread about racism, people can’t be honest.

The irony of it is that the President who played the race card and tapped into the guilt about slavery has no slaves in his family. He does have slave owners in his family.
So why didn’t anyone in the MSM point that out. Perhaps Holder can get Obummer to apologize to the AA community for the slave holders in his family. That would be a great start, don’t you think?

Why would slave owners, who wrote the Constitution, put in a clause about reparations to their own property?? Seriously, why would they? Why doesn’t a “Constitutional scholar” not know that the people who wrote it were, by and large, slave owners? And why hasn’t anyone in the media noticed this apparent ignorance of our most basic governmental document by someone who not only claims to be a scholar on it, but has sworn to uphold and defend it?? Is anyone in the press paying any attention at all to anything this moron says?? Anyone?? Hello???

FLDemFem…ROFLMAO to that “Constitutional Scholar” thing Obama claims. Clearly he didn’t read this really “flawed document.” If that doesn’t beat ALL. Our so called President doesn’t like our Constitution. It’s so beyond WTF that I don’t know what to say anymore.

Holder’s remark was despicable. I guess we are all supposed to just get used to being insulted. Since John Murtha portrayed his constituents as rednecks and got re-elected anything goes.

An excellent book about slavery is “The Peculiar Institution.” I read it in college many years ago. Only one fifth of white people in the South ever owned slaves. Some free blacks owned slaves, and the Cherokees owned slaves. All of this ended more than a century ago, in a part of the country where I never lived, before my ancestors arrived here.

There are so many aspects of “race” we never talk about. Just look at Dyson, or Rev. Wright for that matter. How many African ancestors did they actually have? People called “African Americans” are people of very diverse origins. They have white ancestors and they have Native American ancestors. Their African ancestors are just a part of their heritage. Why does nobody ever talk about that?

It might all be part of the same subject.

Wisewoman

My statements imply that all blacks are bad? All blacks should leave the country?

My statements imply neither. And if you are going to play the “all”/ “every” game, please respond in kind, and chastise everyone, above and below, who said something about “blacks” the same way. Like this for instance:

“But until black people start holding themselves to a higher standard nothing will change”

You KNOW this person did not mean every single black person, and you KNOW exactly what they meant.

This type of “wisdom” is how things get out of hand. It’s the kind of thing a Dyson would try. “Are you saying ALL black people! Huh! ALL!!” You know, the crap you get on a Hannity type show.

I’m happy to discuss and explain my point, but that is never asked. Just the good old “Racist!!!” card…

You are right, but few have the constitution to be poor and proud. Poverty is dehumanizing.

The bad news is that, if you simply state FACTS, you are still a so called “racist.” I can’t tell you how many times I have been robbed in my lifetime, my car stolen, house broken into, etc. Every single time, every one, it was blacks who did it. That’s a fact. Period.

Recently, my mother was in St. Louis, Missouri, visiting her twin sister. She’s almost 80 years old, but looks maybe 50 and is a beautiful woman. Her car had a problem in a relatively dicey area of town, University City, and she went to a gas station. Normally she wouldn’t be scared there, because I grew up there in the same neighborhood, although the better part of it. Nevertheless, while she was standing outside, five black teens came up to her, surrounded her and started to hassle her. They started telling her they were going to F**k her and that “now that Obama won, they were going to have all the WHITE BITCHES.” If the owner of the station hadn’t come out, I don’t know what would have happened. They just took off laughing. I find that repugnant. Sorry, but I do.

I went to that link and read it..very interesting..especially this part.

In fact, only 4.08 percent of free southern whites owned slaves, while there were literally thousands of free blacks, and among them 28 percent were slave owners. Far more free blacks lived in the south than in the north, and they owned slaves in disproportionate numbers to the white population.

So a higher percentage of blacks owned slaves than whites, 6.86 times as many. That is what I get when I divide 28 by 4.06. That is something that should be pointed out to Mr. Dyson, as soon as possible.

that’s another thing; the fact that Holder should be forced out of office has been lost because everyone is still focused on his hate-speech.

If he were white and said this – imagine the apoplectic response.

Yes, that’s what I was trying to say. It’s impossible to have an honest conversation because someone always gets offended. People need to toughen up. I lived in New England and went to town meetings where awful things were said to people but no one got banned.

“Adanggaman” is a film directed by an African from the Ivory Coast, Roger Ngoan M’bala.

Since the film raises questions about the complicity of Africans themselves in the slave trade, it is provoking criticism and controversy.

The story is about an African army that runs a slaving operation for King Adanggaman. Through his army, the king abducts villagers to sell to European slave traders.

Reuters journalist Isabella Matambanadzo claims that the film evoked strong emotions, and drew criticism from some who feared it absolved Europeans of guilt. On the other hand, says Matambanadzo, it also drew praise from those who say they are tired of whites taking all the blame.

About current black demands for reparations from whites, the film’s director had this to say: “If there’s compensation, should the seller or the buyer be held accountable? And it would have to be those who were taken away and sold who deserve the compensation, because some Africans who stayed colluded with the European traders. Europeans could not have taken hold on a continent like Africa and stolen the strongest of our children if there had not been collaborators.”

And journalist Mafarma Sanogo, who organized forums and debates on the film, had this to say: “After having seen the film, we would embarrass ourselves to ask for reparations. We’ve just seen how slavery was not caused only by white traders, but that it existed even before the arrival of the whites. The Negro kings, who enslaved other black people, made the bondage of their own sons possible in the New World. Who is it we can compensate today?”

Apparently those that represent blacks want equality but they don’t want to be equal or responsible. They want special treatment. One group must be guilty for all the troubles of the other group.

If Holder’s comment did nothing more than open up dialogue about racism, it would appear it may have an unintended outcome.

Holder and Dyson may have just started the mutha of all backlashes with their Rev. Wright sanctioned US vs THEM mentality. Thus, they relegated themselves as hopelessly stuck in the past.

Note to Holder and Dyson: Get on the love train baby. Be a human first and a color second.

Alexis

It’s been nice talking with someone who gets it. As this Susan person has banned me, I don’t know how long I will be able to respond before my posts no longer show.

Keep up the good fight, and never be afraid to state the truth. NEVER be afraid of the “racist” label. At this point in our history, since it applies to whites only, it is a badge of honor.

Peace (to you too Susan)

Might being the operative word.

I think when it comes to blogs it’s also the host being paranoid that he/she/they will be perceived as the “racist(s)” if they don’t ban the alleged offender. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. After 46 years on this planet, the only time I have had the word “racist” thrown in my face EVERY SINGLE DAY of my life has been since the Fraud came around.

As a teenager, my family had a basket ball court. It consisted of a tall 4 by 4 and a plywood back board.

Every kid played regardless of color… that did not matter.

So when the police knocked on the door one night to inform my mother she and the dog needed to go to her bedroom and keep quiet, she was frightened.

Not long after a man broke in with a 12 inch blade with bad intent, one police officer was cut before he was subdued.

Why did he do this? The officer told my mom that he was pissed at me. As a 13 year old, I would play pool with my buds at the community hall which kept me out of more trouble than I can say.

One Saturday prior, I was playing and this same person scratched with the eight ball flush against the bumper mid way between the far pockets. His three buds, unknown to me, where placing bets.
He was 18 or 19.

I set the ball, shot and sliced it paper thin, and the 8 ball went in.

He was livid and wanted to beat the crap out of me. Not only had he been shut down by a 13 year old, his mates were laughing at him and he musta lost a bundle.

So color had nothing to do with the mans character.

I think this is the discussion about race that we cowards are having. Yes, it is frustrating but it is a discussion. I bet this is the only country it could occur in.

Still, it seems to me that the arguments from folks like Dyson are the black separatist line from the late 1960s. Whites are the devils.

What scares me is that seemed to have been funded back in those days by Russia. Now it seems the Saudis are financing a realignmentw/ the Sunnis (Wahabis) against the Shia, Jews and Hindus.

Its hard to imagine a logical thinker coming to the same conclusions Dyson does. Thurgood Marshall, Frederick Douglass and others used the Constitution and Declaration of Independence to lead, teach and force us to be more inclusive, not more separatist. I wish Dyson could do the same.

WHY?????
Why did Holder go there? It doesn’t make any sense unless there’s some sort of hidden agenda the Obama administration wants to tackle in the near future. Is it possible that the coward comment could be an opening for future discussions in reference to amnesty for illegal immigrants? After all, “nation of cowards” in reference to race could also apply to the controversial amnesty for illegal immigrants program. Mexico is on the verge of civil war even though the media isn’t talking much about it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/18/mexico.drug.violence/

Go to

“American Thinker”

Read the article by Selwyn Duke titled: Hating Whitey

hillary is flyin around the world doin a good job i must say as secretary of state but lets not forget how she got it a black man gave it to her

A very good point.

An incorrect understanding of what the statistics really mean adds fuel to an incorrect generalization that adversely impacts all black members of our society.

Add to that a few personal annecdotes, and you’ve got what keeps racist perceptions alive.

Whom do you perceive keeps the racist card alive, by action or word or deed?

“All black members of our society” is an over-generalization. Statistics over time are difficult to refute or ignore.

By the way, the story never did identify what color the perpetrator was. But the assumption made by you, Tiberiuseless, was that it was about a black. Whose racist now?

It might all be part of the same subject.

Only in your world.

Frankly most racism is more akin to the boy who cried wolf. I don’t bite any longer. I am not racist but am tired of hearing about it.

Do you eat feces, too, while baying at the moon?

I was referring to annecdotes like the one you’ll find just a few posts up. I find myself a bit skeptical about some of the embellishments, such as the five black teens’ reference to Obama, and their reference to white women. It’s a little gem, that one.

I’ve never heard a (sane) white person say that racism has nothing to do with the current black experience in America. But I contend that for a very long time what is perceived as ethnic bigotry is actually economic bias.

Lower class Americans, black or white, will never transcend their situation without a great deal of personal effort, responsibility and fortitude, no matter what considerations are given them.

I’m not a coward, I’m not a racist, and I resent the implication that I may be. But as the economic situation here worsens, I am fast becoming a subscriber to the “pull yourself up by your boot straps” way of thinking.

A black man gave Hillary her job? She earned that job. What is your point?

His point rests between his shoulder blades, but, alas, it is a dull point.

I am fast becoming a subscriber to the “pull yourself up by your boot straps” way of thinking.

Indeed. It isn’t that hard if one applies oneself to the task. Hell, if these whiners would spend about 1/3 as much time improving themselves, they would be a lot better off.

First off: Holder can go to hell.

Secondly: The alleged black “leadership” should STOP talking and start doing.

finally I am just sick of it. This “conversation” is pointless as long as people like this foolish professor are leading it.

Talk amongst yourselves, victims.

How can any one support this idiot president and his appointees. I have zero respect for this administration and his appointees. This country is going backwards at warp speed !!

So, in essence, you didn’t like the “facts”, if indeed they are the facts of the story.

Which, at this point, you must admit, given the current statistics on crime and who commits crime, is a very plausible story.

Still, it doesn’t excuse the actions or the statistics.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU!

But doesn’t your statement say, in fact, that blacks are simply not smart enough, evolved enough, and/ or well, smart enough, to think about and decide, and behave on their own? That they are unduly influenced by their “leaders”? WTF? Blacks have “leaders” that “push” what they “believe” and how they think and behave and, AAARRRGGGHHH!

Isn’t the idea that black “leaders” cause them to misbehave, a, oh, gazzillion times more “racist” than what I got banned for? Larry! Are you reading this? Is there no more rational thought??!

Why don’t whites have “leaders” who make us behave in certain ways? My statement put blame where I see it belongs.

The very idea that blacks are not only the victims of evil whites, but evil blacks too, renders blacks as reflexive organisms. Easily programmable by either side (although the other evil side is also black, so….) to, holy shit! THERE”S UR PROBLEM! It’s not their fault!!! It’s both whites and blacks!!

Does anyone else out there get this?

Good God

Comment by wodiej | 2009-02-22 17:10:47

it is their own black leaders and the government who keep pushing the victimology.

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Comment by JS | 2009-02-22 21:01:16

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU!

But doesn’t your statement say, in fact, that blacks are simply not smart enough, evolved enough, and/ or well, smart enough, to think about and decide, and behave on their own? That they are unduly influenced by their “leaders”? WTF? Blacks have “leaders” that “push” what they “believe” and how they think and behave and, AAARRRGGGHHH!

Isn’t the idea that black “leaders” cause them to misbehave, a, oh, gazzillion times more “racist” than what I got banned for? Larry! Are you reading this? Is there no more rational thought??!

Why don’t whites have “leaders” who make us behave in certain ways? My statement put blame where I see it belongs.

The very idea that blacks are not only the victims of evil whites, but evil blacks too, renders blacks as reflexive organisms. Easily programmable by either side (although the other evil side is also black, so….) to, holy shit! THERE”S UR PROBLEM! It’s not their fault!!! It’s both whites and blacks!!

Does anyone else out there get this?

Good God

haha…yeah, a real brain trust of trolls they send us. It took a black man to lie and cheat and steal Hillary’s nomination. How about that for some truth? STFU troll.

How dare you troll? My mother got attacked and you can be so little of a man that you can say something so trite and ridiculous? I’ve told that story many times here and my 80 year old mother was terrified. Want her phone number so you can call her and ask her troll?

Well did anyone see this? Upvealal over race/slavery in the French Carribean Islands. Hear the drumbeat?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498204,00.html

Frederick Douglass was a COWARD for NOT wanting black women, and all women, included in the 15th Amendment!
Black women, and all women, are still paying for his cowardice!

hahaha–
And let’s not forget that Obama would not have been BORN if it weren’t for a white woman!!!!!!

Ah, AlexisM. Here lies the problem. When it is time to talk about the facts, if they pertain to blacks, it is racist.

The facts are racist. But it is not up to whites to change that problem. It is up to the blacks to change the facts by changing behavior and statistics.

Dang, the ‘bots are so dense when it comes to this FACT.

Buzz, you are right. I only presented these situations BECAUSE they are facts. Plain and simple facts. And, by the way, what happened to my mother shouldn’t have been that shocking. We all know of the people who have refused to pay their rent, car payments and mortgages since ‘Bama got elected. All kinds of bad behavior happened because of his “selection” and the fact that he and his wife espoused such white hate. Why wouldn’t these things occur? Our “leader” and his crazy wife have been caught many times making racist statements.

I also had it happen at a 7-11 when an AA woman wanted to cash a cashier’s check. On the back of the check it clearly stated that 7-11 wouldn’t cash anything over $75. Well this AA woman would have NONE of that. She started screaming at the manager to give her her cash and started throwing around Obama’s name too. The man finally had to call the cops to get her to STFU. She was causing the HUGEST scene. It’s bad behavior and it needs to change. Period. But we can’t look to Obama for unity so who should we?

Well said! Please know that there are a growing number of us who see people as the sum of their contributions. The sooner we learn to live and work as people with mutual respect, the sooner we will actually end the ‘quiet’ racism to which I think Mr. Holder refers. Nonetheless, his comments were not constructed in a way that supports this goal. We don’t need any more division. We need common understanding.

I wrote to the editor of my big-time metro newspaper, saying there’s a firestorm on the Internet re Holder’s “cowards” speech, and why weren’t they covering it?
I have a list of at least 5 major stories my 2 local dailies and the NYT simply don’t cover.
What fools. They’re all whining about going bankrupt and still don’t cover the news.

basil–
Many thanks for this informnation. I had not heard of this film, but will find out more about it.
Thanks so much!

You are absolutely right. If each family just took care of their own, taxpayers would all have more. That’s the way it should be too! If you can’t afford children, don’t bring them in the world to live a life of hardship. That is a very selfish person. It’s selfish too to think that everyone else should pay for your misbehavior or problems.

My friends and family are all seething over this B.S. Let em’ bring it on!

I indicated skepticism about certain details of the story. I don’t doubt some unfortunate incident might have taken place and with that I deeply sympathize. But black teenagers making direct references to Obama’s election while terrifying an 80 year old lady stricks me as contrived. Maybe it’s because I’ve read variations on forums that make this one seem positively liberal.

Grow up troll. There’s no reason for anyone to lie about that stuff. Like I said, wanna call her and ask her? She’ll give you an ear full. Now, you really should be saying what a shame that Obama’s “Presidency” didn’t inspire more people to become better citizens, instead of what it appears that is inspired, which is the same THUGGERY that he himself subscribes to.

Dyson is such a stupid fuck that he called the White House ‘public housing’ so as to downplay the significance of America’s obvious landmark moment in electing a black president (even if it was a lousy decision).

Even an obvious positive thing has to be cast in a negative light lest one start to think blacks aren’t perptually suffering and downtrodden here in Amerikkka.

He is a typical example of an unintelligent articulate person — remind you of someone else?

Bring on the Tea Party!

I think we should pay reparations to anyone who can prove themselves to be descendants of slaves. Then we will revoke their US citizenship and buy them each a ticket to the African country of his or her choice. What is always forgotten, in this saga of blame and guilt, is that because their ancestors were brought to this country as slaves, they now live in the land of opportunity and freedom, the USA. Millions all over the world would give up everything they own to come here and pursue the American dream. How sad that today so many of our citizens don’t see what opportunities they were given by their slave ancestors. Weep for them, carry them always in your heart, but make their bondage and struggle mean something by removing yourselves from the bondage of victimhood in which you have become much too comfortable. There is only one person who can make someone a “victim”, and that is the person himself.

Interestingly, Dr. Dyson’s wife was a strong Hillary supporter. They were pundits sometimes on the same shows during the primaries. Like Roland Martin, Dyson is a dogmatic defender of his stands and does more harm than good for race relations.

Had Hillary been elected president, we would understand that her election did not end sexism. I seriously doubt, though, that any of Hillary’s female cabinet people would have insulted skeptical citizens by calling them cowards for not discussing sexism or mysogyny within 30 days of her presidency.

Eric Holder, Dr. Dyson, Roland Martin are talking about entirely different things from what Pat Buchanan was speaking of. You do this kind of thing in groups. You don’t go on national television and bully people into doing anything.

Alexis, the fact that the men you worked with who had so much yet the fact of being AA never left their mind is the same reason every person of color in the entire world, it seems, felt Obama becoming POTUS was validation for each of them.

While I am very saddened by the ramifications of that, I don’t feel I can just suck it up and be happy for them. Unfortunately, I think that is exactly what they expect from every white citizen in this country.

And, Tommy, not only do I not like his policies, I don’t like him period. I especially don’t like the way he got to the White House. There is nothing he can ever do or say to change that even if he started being the kind of president I like.

Okay, let’s have a frank conversation.

The biggest racists in this country, like it or not, are black people. Not all black people, just as not all white people, or brown people or asian people are racists. But, the Dyson’s of the world? Yes.

They want to have a “conversation” about race? No, they don’t. Not if it’s about them. Their idea of a conversation is to tell you what’s wrong with you.

Did anybody really look at the rants of Wright (I don’t call him reverend because I can’t imagine any Lord on high or anywhere else looking upon such a hate-monger as a man of God), or Pfleger or the rest, all while the congregation (where, apparently, Barack Obama was sleeping, waiting for the choir to sing a pleasant tune of hope) stood and waved and chanted “amen” to the rooftops?

And this Dyson, in his tirade/rant, threw out so much garbage it was hard to keep track, which is usually what happens when you’re standing on the only leg you’ve got to stand on and the other person is pushing you over…. but, among all that, he ranted about slavery (right, that one again, doesn’t he have a calendar), Jim Crowe and every other buzz word from the talking point bible of black activists who are still, like him, trying to make a dollar (yes, selling his book) from shouting race as loud and as long as they can.

I never thought somebody could make Pat Buchanan sound moderate (no, not a fan, though after tonight, I do respect his intellect and his class – as opposed to the flapping mouth that could not manage to shut up).

At least the boy who cried wolf was eventually, to his eternal detriment, ignored. When is this country going to wake up and stop feeding and enabling this bull***t?

We just elected a president because people were terrified to even suggest that a man who was partially black might not, actually, know what the hell he was doing. Which, of course, he’s set about proving as fast as he can.

This miasma has become so severe that merely electing him was not enough. He’s now more popular than Jesus, Mohammad and Pee Wee Herman combined (not the Beatles, not yet, but he’s gaining on them). He’s in the “religion” section at Borders. Have people lost their ever-loving minds?

Does Dyson not get it?

America, the land he and Holder (a nitwit in his own right) think is full of racial cowards, did not just ELECT a black man president. No. We didn’t stop there. The mere fact that he is more or less black has caused us to raise him up on a pedestal not seen since Caesar. We have deified him, not merely elected him.

So, what else is it we’re supposed to do?

We can’t free the slaves again. There aren’t any.

I have a suggestion. Maybe they should consider freeing the rest of us.

After all, they’re the racists in the room.

If anybody’s “brave” enough to say it.

I don’t think most people object to or feel uncomfortable with conversations about race, but this video is an excellent example of why we never resolve anything. It’s impossible to hear over raised voices when each tries to drown out what the other is saying. It’s been a while since I have seen Dr. Dyson since I no longer watch MSNBC, but I was reminded of how rude he is. He used to talk over his wife when they appeared together. Eric Holder should be given a big razzy award for his stupidity.

I did have a real problem with that at first, haha. Anyone familiar with the history of both Clintons understands their commitment to Civil Rights and the advancements made in Black business ownership and income during the years of Bill Clinton’s presidency. They would also be familiar with the work Hillary did to improve education for all children as First Lady in Arkansas and legislation she sponsored with Madeline Albright to protect abused women and children which was particularly helpful to AA families. I came to understand the sense of pride the Black community had in the first bi-racial presidential candidate, but it was clear there were threats against and pressure applied to many who still believed Hillary would do a better job of addressing Black issues. I believe she would have been also especially as far as Black women and children are concerned. Obama was elected and we will see if, in the end, he really cares about anyone other than himself. We will see if the lies and accusations of racism against two of their best friends in government help the Black community.

Before Chris Rock became an actor, he was a stand up comedian. In one of his acts he said he was rich, famous and had a lot of beautiful women following him around. Then he asked the white men in the audience how many would want to change places with him and be a Black man. No one raised their hand. At some level, we all know racism exists. I grew up in Mississippi in the 1960s before the Civil Rights movement began and I saw first hand how real and cruel it is. Where I grew up the n word was used so often and by so many people, it seemed like a normal part of the language. Children had to learn it was insulting and degrading and be taught not to use the word. Bathrooms, restaurants, schools and neighborhoods were segregated and Blacks still had to sit at the back of the bus. I’m so confused now and I think a lot of others are also. Not just confused, I admit I am angry too. The Civil Rights Act did not eradicate racism. The stupidity and ignorance which have perpetuated it wasn’t legislated away. If the root causes can be fixed, the poverty and lack of education of white people in the country also has to be fixed. This faux anger of people like Dr Dyson has to be stopped because it is encouraging aggression and not real dialogue. I believe the reason the election of a bi-racial president has not helped is the lack of ethics and honor of the man himself and the Black community must know he will not help them unless he benefits. His pretty speech on race was not intended to heal, but to play on the guilt for his own political agenda and the result may be a race war which will only serve to divide us even more.That will be a real tragedy.

Well said Indiedogg. I have often wondered if a poll was taken by people blind since birth, listening to the conversation between Buchanan and and Dyson; what would be their take on it? It would be a good test of how racism is perceived to be sure.

This complicated problem does need to be talked about. But in the conversation one side cannot be seen as always being in the right and the victim while the other is the sole offender. The lesson for me of this election is that Blacks are every bit as racist and responsible for our race problems as Whites.

The fact remains that if it weren’t for Whites, slavery would still be in existence in this country. Whites fought against slavery and died during the Civil War. Whites joined the Civil Rights movement and made it work. Affirmative Action and other supportive programs were supported by Whites.

The truth is that so long as any of us continues to use the modifiers of Black and White, we are not all equal Americans. We all suffer. If Obama had been looked on as merely a candidate and not as a “Black candidate,” he would have lost.

It doesn’t work of us as a country to pick and chose the incidents in which we are going to talk about race only when we need an “advantage” or to manipulate. Either we are all Americans–equal in rights and responsibilities or we are a country in which citizenship is defined by convenience and self-interest….

hillary and obama made peace already some of u nimrods need to let the hate towards obama go wheather u voted for him or not he still ur dang president and will be for the next 8 yrs

haha…All I can say to YOU is hahahahahahahahhaha…the Fraud won’t even make it for the first four years without getting the boot for being the criminal/fraud he is. Hillary and Obama “made peaace?” Really? Do you know the details of their relationship, paid Bot? Go home, mommy’s calling you.

Not my prez.

He’s am imposter.

Not mine, half-wit.

By the way, dumbass, if we’re “nimrods”, which means mighty hunter, then you might be better off getting your scrawny, 12-year old backside out of here.

The illiteracy of OBlahblahbots is breath-taking.

The fact is that BO was elected by women, blacks, and hispanics.
What is the common link among these groups?
Truthfully, they are those most likely to be reliant on government services, and demanding more!
Harsh? Yes, somewhat!
The bigger question though is this: How much longer can the producers of taxes sustain those who are depleting the coffers?

Gee, I wonder why we all dont talk about race more?

Basically Dyson just wants while males (and I guess females too?) to apologize for the sins of the past until, um, hes not sure. But hes pretty sure it needs to happen…

I like how Dyson has a ready list of victims needing apologies at the end so he doesnt sound like hes only in it for “his people”.

I am sick of it, and I am not even a white male.

obama will be our president for the next 8 yrs get use to it. why such anger towards obama wow i see why hillary lost especially if she had some of u angry ppl voting for her lol. i was not a hillary fan but she is doin a great job as secretary of state obama always makes good choices what a intelligent president we have

What “a intelligent president” indeed.

Did you predict that with your magic eight ball?

Pathetic and juvenile post there, haha.

If you think Obama is intelligent it leads us to believe you may have been one of those that rode the little bus to school.

Dyson is being the “point man”.

Get ready, America; Restitution for Slavery is getting ready to be put on the table.

If you don’t agree, you’ll be a called a “racist” and a “coward”.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you…

I meant “Holder”, not Dyson, yet you could insert any one of a few names here…

Obama is not my prez anymore than Bush was my prez. I did not vote for either of them. And we still have freedom of speech here. By the way, this thread is not about Obama; it is about racism.

Go worship your Messiah over at Huffington Post or watch MSNBC.

An intelligent president with such intelligent followers. We have already heard all your insults during the primaries. “Ugly” is one of the nicer things we have been called.

How dare we prefer someone without a penis and the correct amount of melanin, someone without catchy campaign slogans like “Bros before hos”. Never mind that she has over 30 years of public service and experience. And Obot, fyi, Hillary did not lose. Your Messiah stole the caucuses. That is how he “won”.

I agree that this is all leading up to reparations being put on the table. Well then, I think I want reparations from the UK for forcing my ancestors out of Ireland. All those African Americans with Irish last names can go for reparations from both countries!

Fear not. AS a possible benificiary of restitution I would like to say all blacks will get, since congress and obama are about to run our economy off a clift with this out of control spending is a large pile of useless paper that they can use as kindling to keep themselves and their children warm while they sleep on the streets. Which will at least be one up from whites who will have to forage for theirs. Aint spite grand?

ah shut it you brain washed little shyte….keep on excusing them (black criminals/ gangs etc)–till they rape your wife and daughter/son in front of you and beat you almost to death. Then perhaps we can talk to a sane man, maybe. Till then you’ll just have to get by on no survival instict and keep on depending on the evil “cops” to keep the scum from you Berkeley Hill home.

You are no moderate…just excessively weak and critically naive and selfish….that’s what your Neo marxist religion has done to you. Typically you can’t empathize with victims untill you are one….and you all pretend to be morally superior with you holier than thou BS. No you just want the problem to continue forever so punks like yourself can “feel” like saints…its really all about you shining and nothing to do with making society better or helping anyone…..None of you seem to give a crap that most of the murders are among blacks themselve….an inconvienent stat. You fickle losers love statistics except when they can be used to point us in the right direction in finding a solution…then they’re “misleading”. Right! I’m sick of you ENABLERS and Poverty Pimps. You get your meaning in life from the misery of others. Disgusting!

Don’t forget the crucial role of Islam past and present in Slavery…..and Blacks continue turn to Islam rather christianity today for answers…that’s the irony nevery spoken about.

Islam kills slaughters african blacks and continues to enslave them in the most barbaric and disgusting manner imaginable…anyone care? EH NA.

Any wonder our kids can’t read, write, think, speak, etc…The school system has been degraded purposly so that these people stay ignorant of reality past, present and future…so that the idea that the white man is evil remails the only thought they’re capable of. Obviously, this brainwashing has impacted not only them but most young whites too and of cours university educated elitists (they’re always the first to be indoctrinated in something radical). Good job at erasing our history, culture, language, respect for our republic, and general civility…great job indeed.

Good Bye America…You had some really noble goals and you had a great run…but goodbye (along with the west). You wanted it you got it Toyota.

Enjoy your african style regime from here on in–I hear they’re big on democracy, peace health care, and human rights etc. I’ve moved to Canada now…so go for it: prove me wrong.

Sorry. I’m afraid I have no easily pushed buttons.

On race, blacks are cowards too
By Bill Maxwell, Times Columnist
In Print: Monday, March 2, 2009

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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is catching flak for saying during Black History Month that on matters of race, the United States is “essentially a nation of cowards” in too many ways. Holder, the first black to head the Justice Department, is absolutely right.

Based on responses to his remarks, most people assume that the “cowards” Holder refers to are white Americans. Most blacks are cheering the attorney general for his forthrightness, and many whites, especially conservatives, are angry and resentful. Still others are just plain surprised by the audacity of the observation after millions of white people voted to elect the nation’s first black president.

I do not have a problem with what Holder said. I do have a problem, however, with what is not being publicly talked about in this controversy: On matters of race, blacks are cowards, too. We may be the worst cowards of all. First, we have perfected the crude art of controlling the terms of race talk. Second, we have developed various ways of avoiding and squashing the truth about our complicity in matters of race that are self-destructive.

I cannot count the times I have participated in or attended events on race that devolved into acrimony and shouting because blacks attacked whites who said “insensitive things,” often meaning that the whites expressed their true feelings and thoughts about blacks.

Seeing themselves as victims of racism, most blacks reject raw race talk from whites. After all, whites are viewed as being the perpetrators of racism. The perpetrator, therefore, should confess, shut up and listen. Because of this dynamic, far too many whites have learned to avoid direct matters of race.

Holder recognizes this problem. During his now-infamous speech, he said: “If we’re going to ever make progress, we’re going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified.”

Although black attacks against whites are harsh, our attacks against other blacks who tell the truth are downright vicious. I know from personal experience. You are tar-brushed with the stain of Uncle Tomism, and it sticks to you forever.

You are ostracized and given the silent treatment. Your mistake is not that you told the truth but that you told the truth in public, thereby giving the enemy valuable ammunition. (Here, think of comedian Bill Cosby, who is castigated for saying that too many low-income blacks have not held up their end of the nation’s civil rights gains.) In short, you committed the unforgivable sin of “airing dirty laundry.”

Your achievements and good deeds are never recognized. You simply do not exist, unless you put yourself in people’s faces to have your say.

On matters of race, most blacks run away from introspection, and we do not like to hear others publicly remind us of our responsibilities to ourselves. One problem we should openly talk about, but run from, is the high number of black children born out of wedlock. Depending on whose numbers we use, between 70 percent to 80 percent of black children are born to single mothers.

Some black neighborhoods do not have any two-parent families. I know dozens of black kids who do not know who their biological fathers are, and most of their friends are in the same fix. We need to remind ourselves, which we rarely do, that having a child is a choice we make.

Out-of-wedlock births may not be a problem unto themselves, but evidence shows that this factor alone can initiate a chain of self-destruction. The overwhelming majority of black children growing up without fathers are poor, and the chances of large numbers of them escaping poverty are remote. Studies show that they are less likely to perform well in school, making them a major part of the achievement gap, suspensions and expulsions — flashpoints for whites with hostility toward blacks. Graduation among these students is low, and few of them attend college, factors that eventually lead to high unemployment and underemployment.

We also run away from discussing crime, especially horrific cases of black-on-black crime that capture headlines and lead nightly news reports. We try to rationalize the high numbers of blacks in prison by blaming everyone except ourselves. Many whites, especially racists, use these phenomena to bash us. We leave ourselves open as targets for such attacks by refusing to confront crime honestly and openly.

To mention the deleterious effects of hip-hop is to be attacked. The ugly truth is that this outlaw culture, with its anti-intellectualism, antiauthoritarianism and nihilism, will do more harm than virtually anything else to a generation of blacks. Fearing attack, too many blacks remain silent on this issue, and when whites bring it up, they are shouted down as racists.

Holder should make a second speech on race, this time specifically taking blacks to task for keeping silent on the abandonment of their personal responsibilities.

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