Comments on: More on the Murder of Colonel Westhusing http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/ Fri, 25 May 2012 00:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: simon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132453 simon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:23:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132453 I would also say those political systems are in decline, barely existing, they simply can't compete, always subject to the next strongman, and whoever is bank rolling him. Really, where will the middle east, or even China, be in fifty years, without significant political change? Will they be competitive? What if the US becomes more energy independent? What if the current financial structures throughout Asia, and the Middle East, fail? I would also say those political systems are in decline, barely existing, they simply can’t compete, always subject to the next strongman, and whoever is bank rolling him.

Really, where will the middle east, or even China, be in fifty years, without significant political change?

Will they be competitive?

What if the US becomes more energy independent?

What if the current financial structures throughout Asia, and the Middle East, fail?

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132410 Mr.Murder Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:29:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132410 When people act on those miotivation and enact political change, is when we respond with death. When people act on those miotivation and enact political change, is when we respond with death.

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132403 Mr.Murder Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:26:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132403 Handedness is an important key. The ganster way of killing was to send a message, snitches get shot from the opposite side, so they have to be placed backwards in their casket. Handedness is an important key.

The ganster way of killing was to send a message, snitches get shot from the opposite side, so they have to be placed backwards in their casket.

]]> By: Sometime-CIA-Defender http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132390 Sometime-CIA-Defender Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:08:06 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132390 I don't think that nullifies simon's point though. They use brutality in Latin America and the Middle East as part of thuggery because they don't have a powerful enough message to win with. Mostly that's because when people are hungry and broke, there's rarely a message powerful enough to get through. Fear of pain and death is the only motivator, and even that wears thin after a while (as we've seen all too clearly in Gaza, for example). I don’t think that nullifies simon’s point though. They use brutality in Latin America and the Middle East as part of thuggery because they don’t have a powerful enough message to win with. Mostly that’s because when people are hungry and broke, there’s rarely a message powerful enough to get through. Fear of pain and death is the only motivator, and even that wears thin after a while (as we’ve seen all too clearly in Gaza, for example).

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132368 shirin Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:50:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132368 Actually, while a sadistic desire to inflict pain is probably a factor in torture, it does have a purpose, which is not really about getting information, but is about controlling populations from small groups of prisoners to populations of entire countries by instilling fear. Actually, while a sadistic desire to inflict pain is probably a factor in torture, it does have a purpose, which is not really about getting information, but is about controlling populations from small groups of prisoners to populations of entire countries by instilling fear.

]]> By: Mike Howell http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132294 Mike Howell Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:34:35 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132294 The problem is that he'll tell you he wears ladies underwear even if he doesn't. People falsely confess to killing their mothers if they're sleep deprived. What does that gain you? I think that they use torture because they enjoy inflicting pain. Waterboarding works for them because it doesn't leave marks. The problem is that he’ll tell you he wears ladies underwear even if he doesn’t.

People falsely confess to killing their mothers if they’re sleep deprived.

What does that gain you?

I think that they use torture because they enjoy inflicting pain.

Waterboarding works for them because it doesn’t leave marks.

]]> By: Delia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132256 Delia Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:06:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132256 Hardly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas_Watch Hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas_Watch

]]> By: Sometime-CIA-Defender http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132126 Sometime-CIA-Defender Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:02:16 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-132126 I agree. Kelly has been on my mind recently too. That his last communication was to Judith Miller is telling. I agree. Kelly has been on my mind recently too. That his last communication was to Judith Miller is telling.

]]> By: simon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131906 simon Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:33:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131906 <blockquote>Do you really believe that this is the first American administration that has “resorted to torture”?</blockquote> Torture is an intrinsic part of military culture. But if it's a part of Dick Cheney, and how he thinks, well, it is useless, isn't it? And just because it is a part of militayr culture doesn't make it right, or even productive. Seems the only people who use it are the stupid losers, the ones who can't win wars.

Do you really believe that this is the first American administration that has “resorted to torture”?

Torture is an intrinsic part of military culture. But if it’s a part of Dick Cheney, and how he thinks, well, it is useless, isn’t it?

And just because it is a part of militayr culture doesn’t make it right, or even productive.

Seems the only people who use it are the stupid losers, the ones who can’t win wars.

]]> By: Fred C. Dobbs http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131516 Fred C. Dobbs Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:31:17 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131516 "If you wanna know something and he won't tell you, cut off one of his fingers. The little one. Then tell him his thumb's next. After that he'll tell you if he wears ladies underwear." - Mister White, <em><strong>Reservoir Dogs</strong></em> “If you wanna know something and he won’t tell you, cut off one of his fingers. The little one. Then tell him his thumb’s next. After that he’ll tell you if he wears ladies underwear.” – Mister White, Reservoir Dogs

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131502 TeakWoodKite Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:59:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131502 No. Torture is as old as a Bosch painting. OT: Very sad it is a worldwide occurance. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html?iref=hpmostpop No. Torture is as old as a Bosch painting.

OT: Very sad it is a worldwide occurance.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131494 shirin Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:47:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131494 Do you really believe that this is the first American administration that has "resorted to torture"? Do you really believe that this is the first American administration that has “resorted to torture”?

]]> By: simon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131489 simon Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:37:30 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131489 To clarify, I meant within the Constitution, not in spite of. I speak tonally, at times, if you were with me, you'd understand my implication through my tone. That does not translate to writing, and I need to be more careful. My ideal of liberty is to protect the Constitution at all costs, meaning warfare conducted within it's parameters, including asymmetrical warfare. Which makes Cheney's transgressions all the more revolting, a man so stupid he resorts to torture, and wiretapping, at the first threat. For whatever reason, ghosts in the night, I guess. But I guess I think too much. To clarify, I meant within the Constitution, not in spite of.

I speak tonally, at times, if you were with me, you’d understand my implication through my tone.

That does not translate to writing, and I need to be more careful.

My ideal of liberty is to protect the Constitution at all costs, meaning warfare conducted within it’s parameters, including asymmetrical warfare. Which makes Cheney’s transgressions all the more revolting, a man so stupid he resorts to torture, and wiretapping, at the first threat.

For whatever reason, ghosts in the night, I guess.

But I guess I think too much.

]]> By: simon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131477 simon Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:22:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131477 And how do you know Westmoreland isn't currently sitting in hell? I understand what you mean, but I think you have to take a really long range view, like the Chinese do, regarding the long term survival of American democracy. And it is a democracy, so it's a different set of rules, working within the confines of other's choices, different from your own, and the Constitution. Sometimes I think the Chinese, and Europe, see America as this 230 year old upstart, you see? They're waiting for the child to flame out, but the Chinese have become so westernized themselves. But you're right, that doesn't mean someone like Kissinger shouldn't be thrown into jail, too, a war criminal. And how do you know Westmoreland isn’t currently sitting in hell?

I understand what you mean, but I think you have to take a really long range view, like the Chinese do, regarding the long term survival of American democracy. And it is a democracy, so it’s a different set of rules, working within the confines of other’s choices, different from your own, and the Constitution. Sometimes I think the Chinese, and Europe, see America as this 230 year old upstart, you see?

They’re waiting for the child to flame out, but the Chinese have become so westernized themselves.

But you’re right, that doesn’t mean someone like Kissinger shouldn’t be thrown into jail, too, a war criminal.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1494/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131461 TeakWoodKite Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:00:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/09/more-on-the-murder-of-colonel-westhusing/#comment-131461 <em>bush 41 has never been known to walk away from easy money.</em> Does a bat fly blind? I thought there was an autopsy, bush 41 has never been known to walk away from easy money.

Does a bat fly blind?

I thought there was an autopsy,

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